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00:18:01 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:25 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 01:23:31 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:26:47 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 01:28:27 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:31:16 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:45 *** Pikka [~Octomom@c114-77-161-48.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:36:45 <supermop> yo Pikka 01:47:18 <Pikka> yoyo 01:55:10 <supermop> hows it going down there? 01:58:28 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:01 <Pikka> not bad :) where are you now? 02:31:58 <supermop> new york again 02:32:03 <supermop> sorry for the delay 02:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> delays might be due to the distance. 02:37:34 <supermop> and how is the continent Eddi|zuHause 02:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> dark 02:38:59 <supermop> as is here 03:01:34 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:15:38 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:15:52 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DA960.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD576C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:21:14 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 07:51:35 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:51:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:54:02 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:10:07 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d821fe2.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:47 *** openbu [~openbu@42.243.97.211] has joined #openttd 09:07:07 *** vnepom [~oftc-webi@82-208-101-1.pg-nat-pool.mts-nn.ru] has joined #openttd 09:07:35 * vnepom slaps vnepom around a bit with a large fishbot 09:09:10 <openbu> .. 09:16:53 *** vnepom [~oftc-webi@82-208-101-1.pg-nat-pool.mts-nn.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:39 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-82-143.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:39 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-82-143.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not dark anymore, btw. 09:57:08 <Pikka> thank goodness 10:08:18 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 10:45:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 11:00:00 *** DDR [~David@S0106001f16aa47bc.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host71-89-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:59:13 <Wolf01> o/ 12:11:33 *** Pikka [~Octomom@c114-77-161-48.fitzg3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:07 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 12:38:38 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:10 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:21:13 *** liq3 [~liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:38:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 13:38:19 <andythenorth> o/ 13:38:20 <andythenorth> is cat 13:39:20 * andythenorth wishes minimap-linked cargo chains could be filtered by âacceptsâ or âproduces' 13:41:55 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 13:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have a useful UI suggestion that won't make it totally overloaded... 14:21:29 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:27 *** dfox [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 14:26:18 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:20 *** DanMacK [~3fee8a84@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:32:25 <DanMacK> Hey all 14:57:13 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:29 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:06:01 <andythenorth> I canât find the max ID for articulated parts in the spec 15:06:49 <andythenorth> 16384? 15:06:56 <andythenorth> for trailing parts only? 15:07:59 <peter1138> Why does it matter? 15:08:13 <peter1138> Oh, max ID. I read it as max parts :p 15:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: probably a -1 on that 15:09:01 <andythenorth> sounds plausible 15:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the highest bit in the 15-bit callback is reserved for "reverse this vehicle" 15:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have 14 bits 15:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> which can have values 0..2^14-1 15:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause> note that that last ID cannot be returned in combination with "reverse" 15:23:11 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:23:32 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:30:30 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-177.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 15:33:02 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: do you know if the limit is for trailing parts only? 15:33:14 <andythenorth> I canât find the relevant info in the newgrf wiki 15:33:19 <andythenorth> Iâm sure itâs there somewhere 15:34:11 <peter1138> what does that mean? 15:34:37 <peter1138> oh, last part 15:34:48 <peter1138> afaik the limit is for all parts 15:35:38 <andythenorth> hmm 15:35:42 <andythenorth> actually the limit is 8192 15:36:05 <andythenorth> thatâs rather a lot less than I thought 15:36:05 <peter1138> just stick with 120 IDs or so 15:36:31 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0#Syntax 15:36:32 <peter1138> when will you ever have a vehicle set with 8192 items in it... 15:36:38 <andythenorth> in 12 years 15:37:35 <andythenorth> 3 IDs per vehicle minimum 15:37:50 <andythenorth> 6 if e.g. steam engine with a tender, or such 15:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no, that seems too low 15:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the leading part can be 64k, the trailing parts 16k 15:39:18 <andythenorth> ok so if I stuff all leading parts > 16k, I just gained another ~5000 IDs 15:39:24 <andythenorth> that could be workable 15:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that works if you don't take tenders out of the same ID pool 15:39:54 <peter1138> meh, i never understand the terminology you guys use these days 15:40:03 <peter1138> but then again i don't see why you need that many IDs 15:40:15 <peter1138> i just increased it cos 256 seemed low, not because you need 64k IDs :S 15:40:26 <andythenorth> well 15:40:33 <andythenorth> vehicles âneedâ 3 parts 15:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't either, CETS has about 1000 vehicles, so 3000-ish IDS 15:40:46 <peter1138> why do vehicles need 3 parts? 15:40:53 <peter1138> they were always 1 15:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: to be longer than half a tile 15:41:14 <peter1138> well that's a broken concept in ottd anyway 15:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it is 15:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody is going to fix it 15:41:49 <andythenorth> also 15:41:59 <andythenorth> I âneedâ to put ~12 grfs into one grf 15:42:13 <andythenorth> with a parameter to select the actual set to be used 15:42:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that's still only like 1200 vehicles, assuming each individual roster doesn't have more than 100 15:43:06 <andythenorth> there are 74 in the brit roster 15:43:11 <andythenorth> that consumes 1000 IDs 15:43:19 <peter1138> why 1000 vehicles anyway :S 15:43:20 <andythenorth> because of lazy allocation choices 15:43:33 <andythenorth> the irony here 15:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that is your hand-made problem 15:43:36 <andythenorth> somewhat 15:43:50 <andythenorth> is that this all arises from making a deliberately small set 15:43:57 <peter1138> worrying about ID allocation shouldn't even be a thing 15:44:19 <andythenorth> there are only 28 engines here 15:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> there are loads of things that shouldn't be things 15:44:39 <andythenorth> 46 wagons 15:44:45 <andythenorth> but 1000 IDs :P 15:44:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> 5 generations of wagons with 10 types each, or something 15:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it adds up 15:45:19 <andythenorth> I could just stop spanking IDs 15:45:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but your problem is not the amount of vehicles 15:45:32 <andythenorth> no itâs the lazy lazy allocation 15:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause> your problem is your weird padding 15:45:45 <andythenorth> you might have convinced me to solve it again 15:45:57 <andythenorth> I was hoping for the quick fix, but Dan has convinced me we need 12 rosters 15:46:04 <andythenorth> and I can only fit 10 with my quick fix 15:46:15 <andythenorth> meh 15:46:49 <andythenorth> but still, I doubt there are more than 1500 vehicles in 12 rosters 15:46:57 <andythenorth> so 4500 IDs should be used 15:47:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B9EA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:22 <andythenorth> now I have to do it âproperlyâ :( 15:47:29 <peter1138> which is well below 8191 or 16383 15:48:17 <andythenorth> the âproblemâ is that I wanted to auto-generate wagon IDs, but in a stable way 15:48:30 <andythenorth> eh nvm, Iâll have to set them manually 15:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> CETS just enumerates them in the table... 15:48:44 <andythenorth> I have no table 15:48:52 <andythenorth> I tried the table route, I think itâs faff 15:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> make a hashtable :p 15:48:59 <andythenorth> yeah 15:49:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> hope for no conflicts :p 15:49:19 <Eddi|zuHause> collisions 15:49:41 <andythenorth> currently I have this total horror 15:49:42 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/entry/src/global_constants.py#L30 15:49:50 <andythenorth> I have a collision guard already 15:49:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (which is, frankly, very optimistic when fitting 1000 objects into 4k-ish IDs) 15:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but that collision guard is almost guaranteed to break the stability 15:50:40 <andythenorth> eh? 15:50:53 <andythenorth> the collision guard just raises an error in the compile 15:51:11 <andythenorth> collisions arenât allowed, by design, if there is one, itâs coder error 15:54:09 <andythenorth> I think itâs just easier to manually allocate IDs 15:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. it's just an additional number field in whatever you use to generate the file, what you refuse to call a table, but essentially is one. 15:56:54 <andythenorth> the data is effectively tabular yes 15:57:07 <andythenorth> you are right actually, it would be trivial to generate a table 15:57:11 <andythenorth> err 15:57:13 <andythenorth> eh I do :P 15:57:36 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/releases/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html 15:58:13 <andythenorth> ok so âenumerates them in the tableâ is the same as âdefine the ID in the .py file that defines the vehicleâ 15:58:21 <andythenorth> and thatâs what I should do for wagons 15:58:37 <andythenorth> and new ones simply get appended to the end of the list 16:01:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in CETS i also have code that spews out unused IDs below the highest used ID 16:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> (i.e. gaps) 16:01:36 <andythenorth> yup 16:01:51 <andythenorth> ok, this is the way forward 16:01:56 <andythenorth> just means more re-factoring :P 16:02:03 <andythenorth> itâs how Road Hog works already 16:02:20 <andythenorth> ta 16:02:24 <Eddi|zuHause> of which currently there are a lot, because at some point we removed the swiss and austrian vehicles, due to compilation problems. and nobody bothered to put them back 16:06:33 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-177.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:55 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:06:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:08:48 <andythenorth> Alberth :) 16:09:07 <Alberth> hi hi, andy 16:09:19 <Alberth> feeling happy ? :) 16:09:44 <andythenorth> eh yes 16:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> has anyone ever figured out what "like a room without a roof" means? 16:12:50 <Alberth> assuming it's not what it says, nope 16:13:02 <ST2> maybe this? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Room+without+a+roof 16:13:18 <andythenorth> sounds daft 16:13:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: you know how we have the cargo chains view, linked to the minimapâŠ? o_O 16:14:01 <Alberth> you marked one of the FIRS 2.0 releases as compatible with 1.5 by accident, andy? Otherwise not having FIRS for 1.5 sounds buggish 16:14:07 <Alberth> I read that, yeah 16:14:19 <andythenorth> I canât think of any sensible UI, but filter by accept/produce would be nice 16:14:29 <andythenorth> yeah the FIRS thing is apparently by design in OpenTTD 16:14:37 <andythenorth> might be accidental, side-effect design 16:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> bananas hides all older versions, even if the newest one is not compatible with the version of openttd 16:15:38 <Alberth> if that's what it does, it's a bug, imho 16:15:52 <andythenorth> FIRS 2.0.0 releases are all marked as min. compatible r24998 16:16:05 <andythenorth> which makes all FIRS releases non-available in OpenTTD < r24998 16:16:08 <andythenorth> all, ever 16:16:22 <Alberth> :( 16:16:29 <andythenorth> and thereâs no way back 16:16:38 <Alberth> a bit too aggressive filtering thus 16:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> talk to the author of bananas :p 16:16:55 <andythenorth> even if a patch was provided, we canât patch the 1.5.x client fleet 16:17:00 <Alberth> I think what you did is right 16:17:14 <Alberth> I don't know who does the filtering 16:17:19 <andythenorth> or is the filtering on the bananas server end, hmm 16:17:23 <Alberth> maybe the bananas server does 16:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably the server 16:17:33 <andythenorth> but bananas is non-upgradeable? 16:17:51 <andythenorth> there is no sane deployment step, last I checked 16:18:00 <andythenorth> eh, frosch bundled it into a VM though 16:18:18 <andythenorth> the mildly frustrating thing is 16:18:27 <andythenorth> there will be no 1.6.x until April 2016 likely 16:19:08 <andythenorth> and there is no way for me to fix this via bananas either, becauseâŠ.by design, no removal of grfs 16:19:44 <andythenorth> maybe I could version bump FIRS 1.4.4 to FIRS 1.4.5 and re-upload that, compatible with OpenTTD 1.5.x 16:19:59 <andythenorth> but I merged by v2 branch to default branch in the FIRS repo :P 16:20:18 <andythenorth> and I have no idea how to split a new branch out from history to make a 1.4.x release now 16:20:22 <andythenorth> so much faff :P 16:23:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f7436b5.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 16:24:01 <Alberth> evenink 16:26:19 <planetmaker> hi ho 16:27:15 <planetmaker> andythenorth, Alberth the bananas server decides what's available for which version. However you get a particular NewGRF *always*, if your safegame needs it 16:27:52 <planetmaker> The (needless) limitation is that only the newest upload is available for normal download. If it limits openttd's versions, then all other versions of OpenTTD are kinda screwed and cannot get any other except by means of a safegame 16:29:23 <frosch123> hoi 16:31:50 <Alberth> so upload a 1.5 savegame that requires FIRS, and people can use that to get FIRS.... hm...... 16:39:48 <planetmaker> that requires the 1.5-compatible FIRS. yes 16:39:55 <planetmaker> make it a good scenario and it's worth it :) 16:40:26 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has joined #openttd 16:44:21 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18EB4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:00 *** Zr40 [~zr40@000128ef.user.oftc.net] has quit [] 16:50:53 <andythenorth> is bananas server tractable? 16:53:48 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:57:11 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x5d821fe2.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:00:35 <planetmaker> tractable? What does that mean? 17:00:45 <andythenorth> can we do work on it? :) 17:00:51 <andythenorth> without descending into sadness 17:01:44 <planetmaker> oh... hm... frosch knows that best :) I think he has a VM 17:01:49 <andythenorth> I have the VM too 17:02:03 <planetmaker> ok... then I do think it can be done. 17:02:09 *** gelignite [~gelignite@mue-88-130-85-071.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:24 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:06:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:09:41 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:42 *** Pensacola [~quassel@88.159.51.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:13 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B9EA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:41:05 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:22 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:39 *** Zr40 [~zr40@000128ef.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:53 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:13:01 <andythenorth> ach, also 18:13:08 <andythenorth> have I ballsed up svn -> git versions? 18:13:11 <andythenorth> that is tedious 18:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what you just said 18:14:39 <andythenorth> oh FFS 18:14:45 <andythenorth> r27279 isnât r27279 18:15:05 <andythenorth> itâs r27403 18:16:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the current nightly? 18:16:30 <andythenorth> hmm 18:16:40 <andythenorth> no I think foobar is mistaken maybe 18:17:21 * andythenorth puts his glasses on 18:17:24 <andythenorth> I have become that person 18:17:43 *** urdh [~urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:04 <andythenorth> I fat-fingered the version for FIRS anyway, somehow 18:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i still don't know what you're talking about 18:21:34 <andythenorth> the changelog and musa.ini specify r24998 for FIRS 2 18:21:44 <andythenorth> but the actual version needed is r27279 18:21:50 <andythenorth> so I just made a plain dumb mistake somehow 18:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you forgot to update the value? 18:22:50 <andythenorth> I did something stupid 18:23:03 <andythenorth> I even have irc transcript where frosch gives me the correct number, and later I repeat it 18:23:06 <andythenorth> :P 18:23:07 <andythenorth> meh 18:23:18 * andythenorth should never be allowed to release anything 18:23:24 <andythenorth> I fuck up about 50% of releases 18:27:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: the vm also runs the bananas server, if you patch openttd with a different content server ip, that connects to the vm, you can download stuff from it 18:28:02 <andythenorth> eh well, I needed a new project :P 18:28:08 <andythenorth> bananas needs some work 18:28:10 <andythenorth> buuuuut 18:28:18 <andythenorth> Dan is back, and I want to do newgrfs :P 18:28:36 <andythenorth> canât everyone just get a nightly? :( 18:28:49 <V453000> :) 18:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to the idea to allow multiple bananas-servers? like one exclusively for legacy grf-pack GRFs, without upload capabilities and thus avoiding some licensing traps that the current bananas doesn't want to touch 18:31:51 <andythenorth> it took up residence in your brain, to be re-stated when the time was right (now) 18:32:02 <andythenorth> oh, we want non-obvious answers? o_O 18:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure the question was rhethoric 18:32:35 <andythenorth> there is too much useful discussion here today, I only came here for the cat pictures? 18:32:42 <andythenorth> -? 18:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> taking pictures of a black cat is tricky 18:35:32 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you can totally do that, distribute a custom binary with a custom bananas servers, which only hosts adult-only grfs 18:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i meant more like config settings for multiple servers simultaneously 18:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and a GUI to add/remove servers 18:36:23 <frosch123> honestly i don't see the point :) 18:36:47 <frosch123> everyone uses bananas, and those who don't won't use something else either 18:37:13 <frosch123> and the "allow servers to send grfs to clients" idea, was quite unpopular in the past 18:38:35 <andythenorth> hmm 18:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the two ideas that floated around were the already mentioned GRF pack, where authors are either unwilling or unavailable, and the other idea was "beta" versions of GRFs 18:38:46 <andythenorth> weâd never backport 27279 to 1.5.x? 18:38:50 <andythenorth> itâs not a trivial bug fix 18:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no. 18:39:12 <peter1138> let's do firefox/chrome style releases 18:39:23 <peter1138> openttd 6 18:39:24 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-178.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 18:39:37 <peter1138> forced updates 18:39:39 <frosch123> well, if there are no bugfixes, we don't need any release branches :) 18:39:59 <peter1138> require signed mods 18:40:19 <frosch123> oh, how much does a grf author licence cost? 18:40:47 <andythenorth> â¬500 18:40:54 <frosch123> hm, wait, let's reverse the case 18:40:56 <andythenorth> for â¬1500 we get first-line support 18:41:08 <frosch123> we only charge if you retire from grf authorship :) 18:41:15 <Supercheese> nah it should be a monthly fee 18:41:35 <peter1138> built in newgrf-store, accepts paypal 18:41:48 <peter1138> newgrf authors get a cut 18:42:05 <frosch123> oh yes, there should definitely be an option to convert real money into ingame money :) 18:42:07 <andythenorth> â¬1 per download 18:42:15 <andythenorth> openttd takes 80% 18:42:17 <andythenorth> like Apple 18:42:20 <peter1138> hmm 18:42:32 <peter1138> yes, buy "in-game" currency 18:42:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: no, downloads cost gold, not money 18:42:48 <frosch123> yuo can get cold my converting real money, or by playing ottd for hours 18:42:56 <andythenorth> nah you need a second currency 18:43:00 <andythenorth> bucks, or diamonds 18:43:05 <peter1138> also the base game should contain 2 maps and 2 or 3 vehicles of each class 18:43:06 <andythenorth> which isnât available from gold 18:43:10 <Alberth> bitcoins :p 18:43:11 <andythenorth> only by tedious side tasks 18:43:18 <Supercheese> well, diamonds are already in vanilla OTTD, but as a cargo 18:43:21 <Supercheese> might be confusing 18:43:48 <peter1138> we should also have in-game advertising 18:43:49 <Alberth> Supercheese: yeah, I always wonder why the euros I earn are never in my wallet! 18:45:35 <frosch123> would be kind of heavy 18:45:47 <frosch123> getting paid in euro coins 18:46:11 <Alberth> for a 7 digit number I don't mind 18:46:26 <Supercheese> get paid in pennies, be forced to use your own trains to move the tons and tons of coins around 18:46:48 <Alberth> ha, "pennies" would be a fun cargo :p 18:46:53 <ST2> or Zimbabwe dollars :P 18:47:32 <frosch123> ST2: no hyperinflation ever happened when coins were involved :) 18:47:49 <ST2> so "pennies" will be ^^ 18:47:55 *** urdh [~urdh@00013d7a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:51 <andythenorth> well 18:57:16 <andythenorth> the problem is 18:57:22 <andythenorth> I could invent a bank 18:57:49 <andythenorth> which would produce a âmoneyâ cargo, but require delivery of the actual input later 18:57:53 <andythenorth> like lending 18:58:15 <andythenorth> I think I can actually code this in newgrf 18:58:24 <andythenorth> make the delivery requirements tied to previous production 18:58:33 <andythenorth> if there is not enough the bank fails (closes) 18:58:38 <andythenorth> BUT 18:58:48 <andythenorth> all other banks keep count of the number of bank industries on the map 18:59:02 <andythenorth> if one closes, the others then have a random dice roll as to whether they close 18:59:17 <andythenorth> with an increasing chance of closeure as more others close 18:59:50 <andythenorth> in fact, I can exploit the problem I found when I tried to fine-tune closure in newgrf, which is multiple industries of the same type all closing in the same month 19:00:28 <andythenorth> this simulates real lending, rather than the myth of deposit-backed lending 19:05:21 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:08:28 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-178.cbu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:26 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:26 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@a392.ip16.netikka.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:41:56 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@dns25-178.cbu.edu] has joined #openttd 20:07:22 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:01 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@71.12.36.79] has joined #openttd 20:23:50 *** 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