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00:00:57 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:02:08 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 00:02:10 <drac_boy> hi 00:20:53 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:13 <Wolf01> 'night 00:22:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:25:47 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:41:11 <drac_boy> hi flherne? :) 00:42:01 <FLHerne> drac_boy: Morning 00:42:15 <drac_boy> its night :P 00:42:18 <drac_boy> hows you anyhow? 00:42:34 <FLHerne> Alright 00:42:57 <FLHerne> Fiddling with laptop atm, new Linux kernel makes it overheat 00:43:23 <FLHerne> Hopefully I can pin it down enough to know who to moan at 00:43:31 <drac_boy> mm what kind of laptop? 00:44:44 <FLHerne> Thinkpad X201 00:45:04 <FLHerne> Oldish, but it's solid and reasonably quick for its age 00:47:11 <drac_boy> hmm I dunno but to our own I guess after all :) 00:48:18 <FLHerne> Well, you can't get newer 12" laptops with a good keyboard and 5 USB ports :P 00:48:30 <FLHerne> Counting the expresscard slot 00:49:28 <drac_boy> if it was a standard laptop I would say maybe but seeing its one of these sim-down thing the cpu is crap for it ... thats why I dunno after all 00:49:34 <drac_boy> sim=slim* 00:49:44 <drac_boy> but either way hope you figure out something tho 00:51:37 <FLHerne> Huh? It's an i5-M580 - 2.6GHz (3.3GHz turbo) dual-core with HT 00:52:39 <FLHerne> Of course, the CPU being quite a bit faster than you'd typically get in a 12" laptop doesn't help with the temperature :P 00:53:02 <drac_boy> its not just the clock .. the tdp is a bit out of whack for such a shell :) 00:53:12 <FLHerne> But still, with linux 4.2.5 it idles about 35°C, 4.3.0 it idles about 55°C 00:53:31 <FLHerne> Presumably the frequency/power-scaling is borked 00:54:58 <FLHerne> Ah, I think I misunderstood "seeing its one of these sim-down thing the cpu is crap for it" 00:56:20 <FLHerne> Yes, the TDP is rather high for something this size. OTOH, it's actually faster than an X240 from three years later, because they've got painfully slow U-series processors 00:57:26 <drac_boy> well the math isn't difficult .. a low power cpu running at full clock or a high power cpu being constantly throttled ... remind me why I only touch older laptops period .. but like I probably said - to our own :) 00:58:10 <drac_boy> some of the dell laptops were really crappy...ran slower than a P-M cpu even although theres an "intel i5" sticker on -_- 01:02:27 <FLHerne> I've not noticed this one running hot enough to be throttled, at constant full load it peaks at about 65-70°C 01:02:28 <FLHerne> Does lack a decent GPU though, the IGP is hopeless 01:02:28 <FLHerne> Despite that I've given it 8GB of RAM, an SSD, 3G and a couple of spare batteries, not planning to replace it anytime soon 01:09:20 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: the 500's are going even more on my nerves than the old forum message about nightly backup... 01:19:17 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 01:20:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B853.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 01:21:38 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has left #openttd [] 01:26:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6BEBE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:15 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6B853.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:45 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:33:48 *** supermop [~supermop@pool-108-6-12-46.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:03:02 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:17:21 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:29:32 *** JGR_ [~JGR@host109-157-203-91.range109-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:30:53 *** JGR [~JGR@host217-39-105-81.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:53 *** JGR_ is now known as JGR 04:28:21 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:25 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 05:27:17 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:41 *** Smedles [~quassel@58.160.136.199] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DA4B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 05:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD52E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:08:08 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:53 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has quit [Quit: :q!] 07:24:20 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-62-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:12:52 <Wolf01> o/ 08:26:04 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 08:35:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A181C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:23 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:45 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 09:41:32 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6B853.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:13 <fjb> ÂŽMoin 09:55:28 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:40 *** DDR_ [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:18 <andythenorth> much regret 10:10:20 <V453000> what up andythenorth 10:10:44 <andythenorth> "# !! this will need to handle economy variations also...might be non-viable in current form" 10:10:49 <andythenorth> comments from my code :P 10:11:12 <andythenorth> when you expect something to just work, and then you look why, and then you find your own comments about unfinished code :P 10:11:24 <andythenorth> and then a 5 minute thing is a 50 minute thing 10:11:25 <andythenorth> :P 10:11:30 <andythenorth> that 10:12:41 <V453000> yay 10:12:55 <V453000> fuck code, draw pixelz to be licked 10:16:13 * andythenorth shuns the pixles 10:16:56 <V453000> I honestly kind of miss pixel drawing but time is enemy 10:19:19 <andythenorth> I kind of miss CGI 10:19:26 <andythenorth> the power to generate basic forms, and light them 10:19:44 <andythenorth> I was slow though, I never found a tool where I got on with the mesh modelling 10:19:54 <andythenorth> so I used to draw splines in illustrator and extrude them 10:22:22 <V453000> hm :) 10:22:49 <V453000> I guess I was just nostalgically looking at old coop games with old graphics too much yesterday 10:26:43 <andythenorth> V453000: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7529/Amber%20Beacon%2012.mov 10:26:45 <andythenorth> also https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/7530/Grab%20Out.mov 10:27:00 <andythenorth> 14 years ago, nearly exactly :P 10:27:25 <V453000> serioze lens flare 10:27:39 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 10:27:46 <andythenorth> all about the lighting for me :P 10:27:51 <andythenorth> best looped :P 10:28:19 <V453000> well nowadays things are more fun :P 10:28:48 <V453000> did this recently https://eu1.factorio.com/assets//img/blog/fff-111-flame-steel-furnace.gif 10:29:03 <andythenorth> that grab animation was probably several days of work for me then, and the animation was still crappy 10:29:07 <andythenorth> the weighting is all wrong 10:29:17 <V453000> should be fun when combined with this https://eu1.factorio.com/assets//img/blog/fff-108-smoke-02.gif 10:29:38 <V453000> well animation always takes time to be done properly 10:30:28 <andythenorth> ho the furnace is nice 10:31:15 * andythenorth now considering creating an animated movie again 10:31:53 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:31:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:32:34 <V453000> FIRS = each industry is a chapter of the story? 10:32:46 <V453000> make all chains running to uncover the whole story? 10:33:08 <V453000> you could probably make a HD movie in x4 zoom 10:33:24 <V453000> 666 GB newGRF? 10:33:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A181C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:43 <V453000> it is a great plan andythenorth, you should go make it happen 10:34:19 <andythenorth> I could just make the movie, and stop OpenTTD stuff? o_O 10:36:30 <V453000> it will probably be train porn or industrial machinery NSFW stuff, you can put that into OpenTTD as well 10:36:38 <V453000> mayhaps lego wtf 10:42:17 <andythenorth> it will mostly be at night, minimal lighting 10:42:21 <andythenorth> to avoiding modelling stuff 10:43:50 <andythenorth> so what is the cool kids using for CGI now? Blender? 10:44:00 <andythenorth> I canât use max, and I wonât use maya 10:44:09 * andythenorth wonders if Cinema 4D is still bonkers 10:45:27 <andythenorth> wow, £2600 11:01:49 <V453000> blender is usable but be ready to get your nerves demolished many times 11:02:42 <V453000> max is kind of stable, many general things are worse than blender, but it has many other extra functions ... and if you want to do basic-ish simulations of all kinds, blender is better 11:03:18 <V453000> maya is getting better and better with each year, lately a lot of modelling tools were added, max is probably more general but maya is probably way more worth the moneyz 11:03:39 <V453000> cinema 4D is great for motion graphics, especially if you link it with after effects 11:05:08 <V453000> probably just go for blender, unless you want big sophisticated render trees and dont mind figuring out a wtf issue here and there, it is best 11:05:18 <V453000> price 0 makes a lot of it :) 11:05:46 <andythenorth> yeah :P 11:05:55 <andythenorth> I can buy after effects instead :P 11:06:04 <V453000> yayz 11:06:12 <V453000> I kind of miss 3 things in max 11:06:55 <V453000> the insane amount of super useful modelling tools, modelling in modifier layers, and perfect control of automated rendering and many options with it 11:07:13 <V453000> blender modelling is kind of quick, but many of the advanced tools are not there at all, which is a gigantic shame 11:07:48 <V453000> modelling modifier layers just add so much depth to workflow, you can enable them or disable them at any point and once you know what you are doing, they can be really powerful 11:08:04 <V453000> you can kind of create versions for all things without saving 1298342987 scene files 11:08:15 <V453000> and the automated rendering in blender is just complete horseshit 11:09:13 <V453000> I guess you are expected to use scripting languages and shit with blender, linux logic 11:09:37 * andythenorth just wants nice lighting :P 11:26:26 <V453000> go blend shit 11:26:32 <V453000> cycles renderer is really good 12:17:12 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d083dec.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:46 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:21 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:47:58 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.127.168] has joined #openttd 13:46:07 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:52:35 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:55 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d083dec.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:55:47 *** strohi [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has joined #openttd 13:57:42 *** strohalm [~smoofi@212.37.175.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:32 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has joined #openttd 14:19:40 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:27:47 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:34 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:48:18 *** liq3 [liq3@CPE-120-148-51-74.gdfw1.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:36:06 *** mykoserocin [~mykoseroc@000214a6.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:25 *** DDR_ [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:10 *** DDR [~David@S0106602ad0773a2e.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:07 *** NGC3982 [~hawking@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 15:57:19 *** NGC3982 [~hawking@h215n4-vj-d3.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:33 <Wolf01> mmmh, moving with vectors scares me 16:06:58 <Wolf01> i got the idea, i know how vectors work 16:07:11 <Wolf01> i can't apply it to a game XD 16:15:20 <andythenorth> ? 16:24:33 <Wolf01> also "right" seem to not be a valid direction, the object bounches up and down, tries to go left, but right is unknown 16:26:35 <Wolf01> my fault, wrong range of values 16:31:38 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:31:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:33:14 <Wolf01> o/ 16:33:20 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:39:38 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:39:51 *** napoleon [~oftc-webi@ws210-117.maryno.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:57 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:41:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:31 <Alberth> moin 16:43:32 <napoleon> Hi, I have basic question. I run OpenTTD using Windows and want to add some newgrfs to game, and I downloaded *.tar.gz files. But all downloaded by game newgrfs are *.tar files. Can I use *.tar.gz files? Or how I can plug it to game on Windows? 16:44:10 <Alberth> you have to g(un)zip the .tar.gz files to .tar 16:44:21 <Alberth> or unpack to directory structure 16:44:52 <Alberth> as for proper placement, have a look at the readme file, it explains it all 16:45:14 <Alberth> (I don't have windows, no idea where it is supposed to go there) 16:46:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:59 <Eearslya> meow 16:48:29 <Alberth> meep meep 16:48:43 <napoleon> I can ungzip all of newgrfs and zip in different *.tar files, if it is right way to plug it... Perhaps there is a more appropriate way to do it. 16:49:59 <Alberth> napoleon: gzip compresses bla to bla.gz (only adding .gz extension), and thus also foo.tar to foo.tar.gz 16:50:24 <Alberth> gunzip works the other way around (just stripping .gz) 16:50:52 <Alberth> however, on windows, archiving tools may try to be smart, and also unpack the tar file :( 16:51:36 <Alberth> I don't know what "zip" you have, but "tar" files are made with "tar", normally 16:51:59 <Alberth> again, windows tools may try to be smart here, and be very unpredictable 16:52:11 <Eearslya> 7-zip master race 16:53:42 <Alberth> "tar" just merges a directory with files to a single file, it does NOT compress at all 16:57:54 <Mazur> tar has built in compression routines. 16:58:36 <Alberth> gnu tar has, bsd tar has not 16:58:44 <Mazur> tar czvf uses zip, tar xjvf bz2, tar cJvf xz. 16:58:46 <Mazur> Ah, ok. 17:00:47 <Mazur> Haven't touched a BSD in yonkers. 17:03:30 <Alberth> the trouble is that all windows tools combine tar and compression in one, so on windows, tar is extremely weird :) 17:37:02 <Mazur> Of course, you're talking about Micro-SoftInTheBrain. 17:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> napoleon: you don't need to keep it in a .tar, it's just for convenience. you can also have all the files in a subdirectory 17:38:07 <Wolf01> hey they improved a lot, at least now you can mount iso images directly 17:46:17 <Alberth> I tried windows a few times at a laptop this summer, but it's a big maze to me, they are experts in creating error messages without telling what is actually wrong 17:46:38 <Alberth> not to mention "updates" take a large part of a day 17:47:17 <peter1138> Only if there's a massive backlog. 17:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> updates are particularly annoying if you use the system infrequently 17:48:09 <Wolf01> the only thing i hate about windows 10 is that the interface is really incoherent and it has a lot of redundant things (2 control panels, 2 image viewers, 2 calculators...) 17:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you boot it up and it takes 3 hours to get to a usable state 17:48:22 <Alberth> but even then, the program must be awfully stupid to need hours for an update 17:48:58 <Alberth> note that it was at a university, loads of bandwidth there 17:49:43 <Alberth> Wolf01: the interface has always been inconsistent as far as i know 17:49:56 <Wolf01> not much like now 17:50:03 <Alberth> ok, could be 17:50:23 <Wolf01> there is a mix of flat, black&white, 3D icons 17:50:46 <Alberth> lol 17:51:20 <Wolf01> you can't understand what window has the focus (this will be addressed in the next patch) because the window title is gray 17:52:02 <Alberth> still no focus follows mouse? :) 17:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i never actually used win10 17:52:22 <Wolf01> no, but now you can scroll a window which doesn't have focus 17:52:44 <Wolf01> which is nice if you are chatting and browsing/reading 17:52:51 <Eddi|zuHause> mouse-focus is a feature i immediately miss 17:53:04 <__ln__> and more specifically, you can scroll whatever component is under the mouse, not just the window. 17:53:10 <Alberth> ah, and move a popup below the popup with focus, which needs a value of the window below the lower popup? 17:53:29 <Wolf01> oh, there is the mouse-focus in the ease of access features 17:53:42 <Alberth> revolution! 17:53:53 <Wolf01> but i didn't like it as it is different from x-mouse 17:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: but does it allow windows to have focus which are not on top? 17:54:03 <Wolf01> or at least that was the feel 17:54:23 <__ln__> there's another huge advancement in windows 10... freely resizeable command prompt window! 17:54:45 <Wolf01> eh, yes, that too 17:55:09 <Alberth> just 20 years until realizing command-line does have its uses :p 17:55:09 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause, iirc it brings on top the window you are hovering 17:55:24 <Alberth> ieks 17:56:47 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:47 <Wolf01> oh, they also added multiple desktops 17:57:21 <Wolf01> never used it :P 17:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i hardly ever use that on linux 17:58:10 <Wolf01> with 2 monitors i don't find it useful 17:59:03 * __ln__ has 3 monitors 17:59:31 * Wolf01 doesn't have space for a third one 18:00:12 <napoleon> Thanks. So, I just ungzip *.tar.gz files each in its dir, and move to content_download subdirs. 18:00:30 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:00:48 <__ln__> one problem though, OpenTTD doesn't work too well on 2 or 3 monitors. 18:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> napoleon: no, don't manually put stuff in content_download 18:01:14 <napoleon> And it is work. xxx/x.grf works like xxx.tar/x.grf 18:01:30 <Eddi|zuHause> put it into the appropriate directory in the parent directory 18:01:42 <napoleon> But xxx.tar.gz/x.grf doesn't work on Windows. 18:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't work on any other platform either 18:02:45 <napoleon> I mean eg content_download/newgrf/xxx/x.grf 18:03:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f74461b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:53 <napoleon> it's strange there is no support of gzip in Windows 18:04:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not strange if you ever followed the policies of microsoft... 18:04:45 <napoleon> And I can't rehash *.tar and *.tar.gz with some content 18:06:26 <napoleon> Microsoft don't give rights to use GNU unzip? or haven't it? 18:07:16 <glx> just use 7zip to open every thing 18:08:27 <__ln__> napoleon: MSIE can decompress gzip for obvious reasons. Dunno if you can make it decompress local files though. 18:13:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db58224.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:15:02 <napoleon> I have no problem to unzip or zip files with another soft, but why OpenTTD can't detect tar.gz 18:15:38 <napoleon> It just isn't comfortable 18:16:01 <Alberth> it opens the grf file to read while playing, so it needs an uncompressed version 18:17:10 <napoleon> So problem is in realtime decompression. 18:17:47 <napoleon> But *NIX and linux can do it. 18:17:56 <napoleon> Versions of OTTD 18:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they cannot 18:18:03 <Alberth> openttd does random seeking 18:18:19 <Alberth> not only from start to end, as all archive tools do 18:24:31 <peter1138> It are wet. 18:33:45 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:30 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:31 *** napoleon [~oftc-webi@ws210-117.maryno.net] has left #openttd [] 19:07:17 *** Klanticus [~quassel@179.234.183.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:48 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:24 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:04:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19177.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:23 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 20:13:25 <drac_boy> hi 20:22:48 <andythenorth> peter1138: it are Barney out there 20:23:27 <frosch123> english only :p 20:25:37 <drac_boy> any uk train person here? just curious 20:26:17 <frosch123> eddi 20:31:51 * andythenorth keeps very very quiet 20:35:07 <Alberth> you? 20:36:54 <andythenorth> you? 20:37:10 <Alberth> I mean drac_boy 20:37:16 <drac_boy> either way one of the few things I was wondering about is if uk had any kind of regularity in a branchline thats worked by a tender locomotive but often with short trains (say two or three bogie coaches) 20:37:25 <drac_boy> alberth..nope...canada here :) 20:37:34 <V453000> SUP HUMANZ BRING THA NOIZ 20:37:37 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:40:20 <andythenorth> drac_boy: you want proof of this, or to know if it was common? 20:41:00 <drac_boy> latter 20:51:11 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:12 <andythenorth> have you tried google? 20:51:14 <andythenorth> o_O 20:52:08 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:53:53 <NGC3982> Oh, you guys talk. 20:54:33 *** Taco [~kitty@2407:500::2:981d:d5e9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:14 <drac_boy> andy that always come back with model product shots for some reason (unless the spider is not understanding what eg "ivatt 4MT branchline train" means) 21:07:00 <andythenorth> itâs because youâre using branchline 21:07:04 <andythenorth> so you get bachman 21:09:19 <andythenorth> my guess: youâd mostly find tank engines, because tender-first running was not the regular rule 21:09:29 <andythenorth> and branch lines donât have turntables at the terminus 21:09:57 <drac_boy> funny thing is almost none of these are bachmann...they're hornby 0_o 21:10:15 <andythenorth> I could find you pictures of tender engines on local trains, but eh 21:10:17 <andythenorth> I dunno 21:12:19 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@95.76.27.245] has quit [] 21:12:43 <drac_boy> yeah thanks anyway .. and btw andy not quite related but the Black Five did turn up at least twice with only one single noncorridor coach (the photographer suspected the depot was really short on power that day) 21:12:51 <drac_boy> talk about an odd sight :) 21:14:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:16:54 <drac_boy> oh, if anyone want to get lost in a sea of turnouts then feel free to walk around here :p https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Frankfurt_Hbf_Gleise.jpg/1024px-Frankfurt_Hbf_Gleise.jpg 21:17:41 <frosch123> it takes ages to drive into that station 21:18:24 <frosch123> once i missed a train, and though "let's go via frankfurt, i may catch up" :p 21:18:41 <drac_boy> heh let me guess, you missed it there too? :P 21:19:32 <frosch123> i got the next one, which also drove by my regular station 21:19:45 <frosch123> so, i spend some time inside a train, instead of waiting for the same one 21:20:21 <drac_boy> I see :) 21:22:53 *** Belugas [~belugas@00011985.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:43 <drac_boy> that photo does remind me tho..I forgot the class # (remind me to check for that magazine later) but db had been retiring a lot of a particular diesel locomotive nicknamed "pigs" (due to their exhaust apparently) due to the ever-ongoing introduction of dmu/emu sets 21:23:59 <drac_boy> out of the 140+ before now only <60 are left and still dwindling :-s 21:24:25 <drac_boy> at least I haven't heard anything new about the axle problems their s-bahn trains were having 21:25:00 <frosch123> i only know a train named pig-snout 21:25:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 21:25:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:25:02 <frosch123> but it is ancient 21:25:15 <frosch123> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waggonfabrik_Wismar_Typ_Hannover 21:25:25 <drac_boy> heh pigsnout..that only can be the little VT133? :) 21:25:30 <drac_boy> figured :p 21:28:34 <drac_boy> frosch if you want small without the snout .. there is always VT95 .. as I recall a few are still running in scheduled service outside germany too 21:29:20 <drac_boy> at least I think they had much better ride than the so-called uk versions (and you wonder why the uk ones had strange nicknames) 21:33:33 <drac_boy> anyway have fun as I'm going off for now :) 21:33:37 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has left #openttd [] 21:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i was actually never in frankfurt... 21:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i was in the other frankfurt :p 21:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and i didn't go there by train 21:38:50 <__ln__> i was in both 21:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> some headlines genuinely scare me... 21:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "English and French sing Marseillaise in Wembley"... that's certainly not the most peaceful song they could be singing... 21:49:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6B853.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:09 <Mazur> National anthems rarely are. 21:57:18 <__ln__> we need a statistics for that 22:02:46 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:12:22 *** mykoserocin [~mykoseroc@000214a6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db58224.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 22:23:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@x5f74461b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:41:18 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED07F22.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:00:43 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 23:11:36 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:02 *** JezK [~jez@2407:7800:400:107f:3db5:daca:8457:e66a] has joined #openttd 23:26:54 <Wolf01> 'night 23:27:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:27:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19177.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:39 *** drac_boy [~oftc-webi@72.1.195.4] has joined #openttd 23:51:42 <drac_boy> hi for a bit 23:54:57 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-158-76.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:49 <drac_boy> hi sim-a12 23:59:52 <drac_boy> hows you?