Log for #openttd on 1st February 2016:
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08:11:15  <dihedral> good morning
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08:16:29  <V453000> yo
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09:20:18  <Wolf01> o/
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09:27:02  <lastmikoi> V453000: just saw your screenshots, this is completely stunning
09:28:41  <V453000> :) that is very nice to hear
09:30:59  <lastmikoi> my opinion might be biased by the fact that I never saw high-resolution graphics on openttd :p, but I love the attention to the details nevertheless
09:31:24  <V453000> well, high-resolution graphics for openttd don't really exist, that is the problem
09:31:29  <V453000> zbase does but it is just ugly looking
09:32:05  <lastmikoi> so you're basically the first ?
09:32:51  <Supercheese> Pikka has some nice stuff too, but his baseset didn't meet the kickstarter goal
09:33:23  <V453000> well first ... not exactly, but I do believe that nobody has yet brought a full zoom replacement set to as much of a progress as I am doing so far ... but my focus isnt on being the first, but to have it really nice looking and working for gameplay
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09:34:11  <V453000> Pikka indeed does some good stuff, but only trains of his are available, and he neglects the facts of projection by not caring about vehicles on diagonals, which I think is a big shame ... not mentioning missing 8bpp
09:34:29  <lastmikoi> V453000: from the look of it you're going to achieve both feats
09:34:42  <V453000> I sure as hell hope so
09:34:49  <V453000> I already released RAWR, my previous attempt
09:34:59  <lastmikoi> Supercheese: there was a kickstarter ? It has been a *long* while since I've checked on openttd
09:35:08  <V453000> but I didn't like it, it had many problems, and it was lacking proper visual concept
09:35:10  <V453000> hence BRIX now
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09:35:49  <V453000> my approach is that stuff which I release, will be very final, so the quality requirements are higher and it helps me stay motivated because I can be proud of my project
09:35:55  <V453000> because I sincerely believe it is good
09:36:06  <V453000> RAWR started falling into a point where I can't say that
09:41:48  <lastmikoi> a project of this scale sure requires motivation, glad to hear that you've taken a sane approach to managing this resource :)
09:52:37  <V453000> it is tough, yes. Unimaginably tough ... but step by step it is alright ... I find that having a trello board with small tasks helps a ton
09:52:45  <V453000> over time the small tasks just disappear :)
09:52:52  <V453000> one has to accept that rome just wasn't built in a day
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09:53:31  <lastmikoi> yeah, I stumbled upon it by duckduckgoing BRIX (first result actually), it's an awesome tool
09:54:56  <V453000> what :D
09:55:13  <lastmikoi> yup
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10:39:50  <Wolf01> "safe enough"
10:42:43  <Eddi|zuHause> the real wtf(tm) is that it has the germany flag on it
10:48:49  <V453000> nice nuf
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10:59:17  <argoneus> good morning train friends
11:07:08  <V453000> noep
11:12:58  <argoneus> yes
11:15:01  <argoneus> V453000 I bet you aren't even a train friend
11:15:04  <argoneus> I bet you don't even know how to make trains
11:28:06  <Wolf01> pfffff, what I'm grinding at T4 if I can only find crap items?
11:28:21  <Wolf01> let's try T6
11:32:13  <Wolf01> lol, I don't even know what killed me
11:34:57  <Wolf01> ok, too many enemies with reflexive damage, I'm killing myself :|
11:39:47  <Eddi|zuHause> that is usually a sign your DPS is too high
11:40:23  <Wolf01> it is either I insta-kill them or they insta-kill me
11:40:51  <Wolf01> it looks like a quake 3 instagib match
11:41:45  <Wolf01> also I can kill easily yellow tier monsters but blue tier ones destroy me
11:41:52  <Wolf01> wtf?
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11:57:36  <Eddi|zuHause> are blue ones the ones that come in packs?
11:58:18  <Eddi|zuHause> you probably need to focus on defenses there for a bit
11:58:30  <Wolf01> yes, but yellow ones have slaves too
11:59:16  <Wolf01> and I already raised my defenses from ~300 to ~1100
11:59:36  <Wolf01> and with the mantra I could add another 40%
12:02:47  <Eddi|zuHause> mind you i'm talking about a game that i never played.
12:03:06  <V453000> trane enemy til def
12:04:20  <V453000> from what I figured from D3, you usually need some wtf combo for defense and then focus the rest on offense
12:04:36  <V453000> I enjoyed boon of the hoarder with the belt that gives armor when you pick up gold XD
12:04:37  <V453000> PROFIT
12:06:06  <Wolf01> killed another demiboss with a little effort :| instead I must avoid blue ones
12:06:27  <Wolf01> bah
12:06:54  <Wolf01> also I feel that this game lacks a clear indication of element damage and resistance
12:07:57  <Wolf01> it's not possible to kill a yeti with ice and only scratch him with fire
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12:17:19  <V453000> ofc because yetis are protected animals
12:17:33  <V453000> thou shalt not get yeti rekt
12:19:38  <Wolf01> and killing demons with fire because sacred does nothing?
12:21:34  <V453000> idk when I played diablo, I don't think it mattered which element were you using
12:21:45  <V453000> just focus on one thing and get it to do as much dmg as you can
12:21:52  <V453000> is what worked back then
12:22:11  <V453000> admittedly my experience with dps was that you need some retard-strong combination of items usually
12:22:18  <V453000> like chantodos on mage was sick as hell
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13:15:14  <andythenorth> “timber and digging machines”
13:16:26  * andythenorth bbl
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13:17:28  <Wolf01> so he now enter, spams and leave? ;)
13:18:49  <V453000> yeah fuck that guy
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13:40:38  <Eddi|zuHause> he always did that?
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13:48:37  <V453000> obviozely
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15:12:16  <Wolf01> boooored
15:20:01  <V453000> make grafix for me
15:20:09  <Wolf01> not able
15:22:07  <V453000> learn able
15:23:33  <Wolf01> being an artist is not a thing you learn, and if you need to just put together things you already have the computer
15:24:35  <Eddi|zuHause> that statement is fundamentally wrong...
15:25:52  <Eddi|zuHause> there may be an initial spark of interest or talent involved, but most of "being an artist" is hard work and learning
15:26:32  <Wolf01> you learn techniques and refine your ability, but if you don't have any talent you don't succeed, I can copy a Picasso with enough exercise but I can't make a new one
15:27:02  <Wolf01> and with I, I mean I, not a generic people
15:27:23  <Wolf01> *-a
15:27:32  <Eddi|zuHause> of course nobody other than picasso can make a picasso... but you could make a wolf...
15:28:48  <Wolf01> I can copy, but if you need just to do a work which is a copy, you already have the computer, tell it what you need and for sure it does that faster than me
15:28:58  <Eddi|zuHause> but this exact "i can't ever be the greatest person alive at this, so why even bother starting?" mentality is what kills potential artists
15:29:55  <Eddi|zuHause> there is always a chance that you bring a new perspective to an existing problem
15:30:14  <Wolf01> I'm not saying that, I simply don't have interest in making graphics or music, I tried and nothing satisfied me, so I put those aside
15:34:40  <Eddi|zuHause> but this is exactly what i said: "i don't have interest/determination" is something vastly different from "i am not an artist"
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15:35:34  <Wolf01> you are saying everyone has the potential to do everything, he just want to do it
15:36:12  <Eddi|zuHause> well, not necessarily the same potential, but SOME potential
15:36:42  <Wolf01> I call that potential "talent"
15:37:15  <Wolf01> and I can tell you that I don't have enough talent to draw or compose
15:37:21  <Eddi|zuHause> yes. i'm not denying that, but nobody has NO talent.
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15:39:00  <Wolf01> without enough talent is like trying to move a train with a car, maybe you will make it with some conditions
15:39:22  <Eddi|zuHause> you can easily move a train with your bare hands...
15:39:29  <Eddi|zuHause> let alone with a car
15:39:43  <Wolf01> yes, pushing it down hill
15:39:58  <Wolf01> or if it is a model train
15:40:01  <Eddi|zuHause> you just have to make sure the brakes are loose and the wheels are oiled
15:40:33  <Eddi|zuHause> there was a guy here who could move a tram solely with a spear pointed at his throat
15:40:33  <Wolf01> but it's still a wasted effort, you have better means to do that, like a locomotive
15:42:30  <Eddi|zuHause> but you don't know if it will be wasted. maybe no locomotive is available and the cargo in the train is important?
15:46:05  <V453000> I think talent is vastly overrated
15:46:18  <V453000> and used as an excuse in exactly that context
15:46:26  <V453000> sure, things take insane amount of effort to learn
15:47:03  <V453000> btw modelling things like houses/trains/cars from a blueprint is nothing art related
15:47:10  <V453000> just ability to use 3D application
15:47:44  <V453000> when you start drawing/creating your own imagined vehicles/stuff, then it gets artsy
15:47:55  <V453000> but even then, practice can get you very far
15:53:02  <Wolf01> I did some technical drawing, it was boring and just "follow the instructions", I did those and at the end I was like "now what? they are nice, maybe useful, I'll get a good grade but I can't just copy every object I see"
15:56:11  <V453000> I didn't say you personally have to :)
15:56:19  <V453000> people like different things, yes :P
16:01:15  <Wolf01> I'm good at reading, I like to write code (also if I'm not very talented, here again) to see things moving in the screen and I learn easily new things, I only perform well in team or doing stuff like a robot
16:01:26  <Wolf01> that's what I am, right now
16:01:43  <Wolf01> oh, and I really like build with lego
16:02:10  <V453000> is this andythenorth?
16:02:11  <V453000> lego :P
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16:03:32  <argoneus> le come
16:03:33  <argoneus> le go
16:04:03  <Eddi|zuHause> le victoryy
16:04:10  <Eddi|zuHause> -y
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16:10:19  <V453000> btw
16:10:38  <V453000> tbh making graphics of openttd is 90% avoiding WTF issues with sprite stuff, not creativity with models XD
16:11:00  <Wolf01> yes, they are boxes
16:11:07  <V453000> BUT my next train set though :P
16:11:10  <V453000> will be creative as shit
16:11:28  <Wolf01> weren't others?
16:12:02  <peter1138> is openttd 2 completed yet?
16:14:46  <argoneus> yeah just need to fix some bugs
16:14:53  <argoneus> it's proprietary though sorry
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16:35:26  <V453000> Wolf01: not enough :P
16:35:47  <V453000> most of my graphics lack details, they are just a general shape
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17:30:56  <Eddi|zuHause> there's always room for improvement...
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19:18:02  <Wolf01> meh
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19:19:04  <andythenorth> o/
19:19:10  <Wolf01> o/
19:20:15  <andythenorth> what did I miss?
19:21:04  <Wolf01> a discussion about artist talent
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19:23:18  * andythenorth is tempted to troll
19:25:57  <Alberth> make a traditional economy :p
19:26:13  <Alberth> wood coal oil
19:26:31  <Alberth> iron ore
19:27:02  <Alberth> perhaps call it realistic economy?
19:27:57  <Wolf01> old west economy, but needs a baseset too
19:27:58  <andythenorth> I could make the original TTD economies
19:28:10  <andythenorth> those weren’t the things I was tempted to troll :P
19:28:16  <andythenorth> I was going to troll V453000 and Wolf01
19:28:17  <andythenorth> about art
19:28:58  <Wolf01> bah, I understand nothing about art, I don't have that talent, so you are welcome ;)
19:30:18  <Wolf01> and I'm bored again
19:31:44  <andythenorth> ho, the Gold Rush thread
19:31:46  <andythenorth> yair lock that
19:31:48  <andythenorth> why not
19:33:14  <andythenorth> I can’t see that being anything other than demotivating to Bad Brett
19:33:39  <andythenorth> locked; reason: culture of entitlement drives destroys incentive to make things
19:35:05  <Wolf01> I'll browse youtube for other strange trains collections
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19:36:52  <andythenorth> quak
19:36:53  <andythenorth> also
19:36:58  <Wolf01> o/
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19:38:24  <frosch123> hoin
19:41:40  <Eddi|zuHause> seems the dutch are contageous. the city of Kleve now wants to adopt the system of rounding to 5¢ to avoid handling 1¢ and 2¢ coins
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20:19:43  <Wolf01> I could look at this for the rest of the evening
20:25:06  * andythenorth watches
20:25:25  <andythenorth> that’s 17m 50s I can spend happily
20:29:58  <andythenorth> I used to run a palletising machine on a drinks-bottling line
20:30:07  <andythenorth> it was remarkably similar in operation :P
20:38:19  <Wolf01> lolwhat?
20:41:21  <Wolf01> O_O I wouldn't even walk on that "railway" and they run a train on it
20:42:45  <andythenorth> workers are wearing all required PPE (personal protective equipment)
20:43:01  <Wolf01> the best part is at the end
20:45:10  <andythenorth> when they replace the rail?
20:45:31  <Wolf01> yeah
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20:48:00  <andythenorth> health and safety is different between Europe and India
20:48:28  <Wolf01> the last one is in Germany
20:48:58  <andythenorth> woah
20:49:07  <andythenorth> feldbahn :)
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20:50:06  <andythenorth> it’s shot on a long lens, which emphasises the condition of the track
20:50:40  <andythenorth> the wheels treads are about 4x the width of a ‘normal’ rail wheel
20:50:59  <Wolf01> yeah, I noticed that
20:51:07  <Wolf01> ahah I'm laughing my ass off
20:51:49  <andythenorth> seen that before :)
20:51:59  <andythenorth> Youtube is a nice way to avoid making newgrf :)
20:53:17  <Wolf01> :)
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20:57:56  <andythenorth> also is cat
21:00:32  <Wolf01> cat is even more
21:01:06  <andythenorth> not much lego news now
21:01:46  <Wolf01> do you expect lego to show new sets every 3 days?
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21:16:00  <andythenorth> ha no
21:16:13  <andythenorth> usually Dokludi has reversed engineered something by now
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21:29:59  <Wolf01> maybe he doesn't have enough spare pieces
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21:35:26  <Wolf01> "two trains shouldn't be at the same place at the same time"
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21:38:07  <Eddi|zuHause> that's fine, physics will always take care of that
21:39:01  <Eddi|zuHause> (unless you have quantum trains, then it gets a bit sketchy)
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