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00:02:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:02:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has quit [] 00:08:17 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC14765.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:04 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC14765.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:13:07 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:bc96:1efe:4183:4454] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:41 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:08 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DC14765.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:36 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:46 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:33 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-98-14-130-227.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 02:16:41 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@189-73-181-187.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #openttd 02:23:20 *** Clockworker [Clockworke@177.203.94.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:43 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:12 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:39:32 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:26 <Flygon> Jeee 03:44:35 <Flygon> To capture the entirety of Japan at the same resoluton as that Hokkaido map 03:44:42 <Flygon> You'd need a 16k*16k scenario map 03:44:45 <Flygon> Uhm... 03:44:51 * Flygon laughing a little hard here... 03:45:12 <Flygon> That'd need a hell of a daylength patch, and something to remove vehicle limits :'D 03:46:21 <ST2> "hack" wagons capacities... hack it all xD 03:46:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and probably more RAM... 03:46:48 <ST2> and a new CPU cooler too :) 03:48:16 <Flygon> Eddi: I might have the RAM. I don't think we'll ever get the single threaded CPU capacity :DDD 03:48:26 <Flygon> ST2: Nah, not capacities 03:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the map alone is over 2GB, and then you haven't had a single cargopacket yet 03:48:30 <Sylf> 16k? that's all? 03:48:52 <ST2> Sylf making a "big chest" :D 03:48:59 <Flygon> Just somehow increase the vehicle table size from 65k (16-bit) to 32-bit (like, 16.7m)... somehow :D 03:49:16 <Flygon> Sylf: For the same scale as the Hokkaido map, yeah 03:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: the vehicle table is 1M for like 5 years now 03:49:31 <Flygon> Ooh... 03:49:35 <Flygon> Wait, really? 03:49:49 <Sylf> I'm thinking a bit longer and narrower 03:49:55 <Flygon> So you can have more than 65k RVs in a single game? 03:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the per-company-limit is still 5000 03:50:15 <Flygon> Sylf: If you got the spare dimensions, may's well include China and Korea :D 03:50:27 <Flygon> Eddi: Ahh, so it just never got increased?... 03:50:39 <Flygon> As in, the capacity is there?... sorry, I'm a bit lost O_o 03:50:45 <Flygon> This is rather a surprise for me 03:51:23 <ST2> in our last tournament we made limit to 5K RV's per company... some companies reached 3K - server started struggling 03:51:28 <ST2> it's a bad idea :P 03:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: the 5000 limit was never meant to be increased, just that multiplayer with long trains kept hitting the 65k limit, and thus it was increased 03:52:00 <Flygon> Ooooooooh, a wagon counts as a vehicle? 03:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, each wagon individually 03:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> plane=2, helicopter=3 03:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> plus ufos, smoke puffs, whatever 03:52:38 <Flygon> ST2: Hahaha, yeah, I don't think even a 4k*4k map alone will ever work as a multiplayer map unless everyone's on a gigabit LAN :DDD 03:52:46 <Flygon> Eddi: Shit, I didn't think of that 03:52:55 <Flygon> OpenTTD shares more with Ragnarok Online than it thinks :DDDD 03:53:30 <Sylf> I still think 4k maps are meaningless but... meh. 03:53:38 <Flygon> (the randomest of shit is a "Monster"... someone shoots an arrow? The server generates a monster for, like, 0.1 seconds so the arrow sprite can show and update it's position on the screen) 03:53:50 <Flygon> (I mean, sure, it works, but it feels so... unclean) 03:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: that just means the "monster" class is mis-named 03:55:01 <Flygon> Hahaha :D 03:55:03 <Flygon> Well, actually 03:55:06 <Flygon> It's named "mob" 03:55:25 <Flygon> Which's a bit of a lolwut in itself @_@ 03:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "mob" sounds like it should be multiple objects... 03:55:59 <Sylf> Killed couple yeti bugs. good enough for the night. 03:56:02 <Flygon> I forgot if it was because Korean devs, or if it was some 80s/90s tabletop term 03:56:04 <Flygon> ... 03:56:06 <Flygon> Eddi 03:56:11 <Flygon> For 12 years 03:56:15 <Flygon> Twelve freaking years 03:56:20 <Flygon> TWELVE 03:56:32 <Flygon> And you've come up with the best explanation I've heard to date 03:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in german, a "mob" is usually a bunch of people ganging up, pitchforks and all... 03:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> usage in the english language might differ. 03:58:44 <Flygon> Well, actually 03:58:49 <Flygon> The same applies to English xD 03:58:52 <Flygon> "Angry Mob" ect :DD 03:59:01 <Flygon> Hence why the term was so confusing to me :D 03:59:21 <Flygon> Combined with the fact that a lot of the game's internal terms has some confusing Korean>English Engrish... 03:59:27 <Flygon> Or even worse 03:59:40 <Flygon> Misc. Nordic>Korean>Japanese>English 04:01:08 <sim-al2> That ensures context is lost completely :D 04:01:10 <Flygon> Though, thankfully, it's usually just some derp transliterations 04:01:37 <Flygon> ie. the town of Payon used to be translated as Fayon, thanks to Korean not having a fully distinctive F/P sound 04:01:51 <Flygon> (Payon sounds cooler, anyway...) 04:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard of that place 04:03:29 <Flygon> Ingame town, not IRL :PP 04:03:46 <Flygon> But, yeah... the problem is, with assigning so many things to mobs 04:03:52 <Flygon> And thanks to client-server sync being 2001 era... 04:04:19 <Flygon> Cue random objects 'sticking' to tiles on the screen, because the server telling the client the object was suppose to disappear never quite got through 04:05:28 <Flygon> It's bad enough that almost every private server has some sort of a @refresh command to force the client to clear all current object info, then retrieve fresh info from the server... and basically do a soft-reboot of the current client state 04:07:26 <Flygon> (the obvious solution is rewriting client/server sync... but the only half that's feature complete in open source is the server end) 04:18:58 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:19:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:25:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:43 *** Clockworker_ [Clockworke@189-73-181-187.paemt702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:08 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:88ee:fa3c:19da:1883] has joined #openttd 06:52:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:52:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:35 *** supermop [~supermop@static-71-249-209-97.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:21 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:32 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DCDEC73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:54:47 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:50 *** Flygon [~Flygon@ppp118-209-183-194.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:16 *** supermop_ [~supermop@pool-100-37-203-161.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:39:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:47:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:41 <Wolf01> o/ 09:04:30 *** efess [~Efess@c-24-61-64-170.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:20 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:01 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 09:17:42 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:09 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DCDEC73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:02 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-255-23.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:55:33 <Samu> hi 10:27:46 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 10:37:40 <peter1138> must, not, read, /r/openttd 10:39:00 <Wolf01> I try to avoid /r/ when I can 10:42:22 <peter1138> it is full of shit 10:46:02 <Wolf01> like almost the rest of the web 10:56:47 <Samu> http://imgur.com/gallery/lY6I5 - terrible story 10:56:53 <Samu> but hey... americans 11:21:20 *** Joseph222 [~oftc-webi@unknown.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:21:33 <Joseph222> Hi 11:22:06 <Joseph222> Anyone here???? 11:22:45 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:22:51 <Joseph222> Hi 11:23:05 <Joseph222> Hi 11:23:18 <Joseph222> Lol no one here 11:24:17 <Samu> im doing stuff 11:24:21 <Joseph222> Memememememememe 11:24:34 <Joseph222> Meme meme,emerge,emerge,emerge,eye,e,me,ememeukifkiqhvdkjhvackjcvvhvukjavccebcdekiwfbvkishbdvkuhbsdfvuhbefviuhb 11:24:37 <Joseph222> J 11:24:38 <Joseph222> F 11:24:38 <Joseph222> F 11:24:39 <Joseph222> F 11:24:39 <Joseph222> F 11:24:39 <Joseph222> F 11:24:39 <Joseph222> F 11:24:43 <Joseph222> F 11:24:44 <Joseph222> F 11:24:44 <Joseph222> F 11:24:44 <Joseph222> F 11:24:44 <Joseph222> F 11:24:44 <Joseph222> F 11:24:46 <Joseph222> Fv 11:24:46 <Joseph222> F 11:24:48 <Joseph222> F 11:24:48 <Joseph222> F 11:24:50 <Joseph222> F 11:24:50 <Joseph222> F 11:24:52 <Joseph222> F 11:24:52 <Joseph222> Very 11:24:54 <Joseph222> Dfv 11:24:54 <Joseph222> E 11:24:56 <Joseph222> Ed 11:24:56 <Joseph222> V 11:24:58 <Joseph222> Ef 11:24:58 <Joseph222> V 11:25:00 <Joseph222> D 11:25:00 <Joseph222> D 11:25:02 <Joseph222> D 11:25:02 <Joseph222> D 11:25:04 <Joseph222> F 11:25:04 <Joseph222> F 11:25:06 <Joseph222> F 11:25:06 <Joseph222> F 11:25:08 <Joseph222> F 11:25:08 <Joseph222> Drag 11:25:10 <Joseph222> S 11:25:10 <Joseph222> Df 11:25:12 <Joseph222> Fv 11:25:12 <Joseph222> R 11:25:14 <Joseph222> Fv 11:25:14 <Joseph222> D 11:25:16 <Joseph222> V 11:25:16 <Joseph222> R 11:25:18 <Joseph222> Fv 11:25:18 <Joseph222> E 11:25:21 <Joseph222> Five 11:25:21 <Joseph222> R 11:25:23 <Joseph222> R 11:25:23 <Joseph222> R 11:25:24 <Wolf01> Rubidium, peter1138? 11:25:24 <Joseph222> R 11:25:24 <Joseph222> D 11:25:27 <Joseph222> E 11:25:27 <Joseph222> D 11:25:28 <Joseph222> R 11:25:28 <Joseph222> R 11:25:30 <Joseph222> R 11:25:30 <Joseph222> R 11:25:32 <Joseph222> R 11:25:32 <Joseph222> F 11:25:34 <Joseph222> C 11:25:34 <Joseph222> C 11:25:36 <Joseph222> C 11:25:36 <Joseph222> C 11:25:38 <Joseph222> C 11:25:38 *** Joseph222 [~oftc-webi@unknown.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 11:25:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:31 *** srhnsn [~srhnsn@HSI-KBW-5-56-185-40.hsi16.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:23 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:51 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:31 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:55:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:23 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:06 *** Ketsuban [~ketsuban@2a02:c7d:a34a:9000:88ee:fa3c:19da:1883] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:26 <argoneus> I just woke up 12:22:30 <argoneus> to a house full of smoke 12:22:34 <argoneus> off to a great start 12:30:11 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:31:12 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:32 <Samu> :o 12:31:47 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@cpe-76-178-136-186.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:33:12 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 12:33:37 <Flygon> I wonder if OpenTTD with Research Trees should become a thing... :B 12:33:46 <Flygon> argoneus: Oh, shit. Sorry. >_< 12:34:48 <argoneus> it's mostly fine now 12:34:52 <argoneus> no damage really 12:34:59 <argoneus> except I can't breathe 12:35:01 <argoneus> properly 12:36:08 <planetmaker> you should see a doctor then instead of IRC-ing 12:38:03 <argoneus> it's getting better, so no need 12:38:10 <argoneus> I'm sitting in front of a wide open window 12:38:58 <Flygon> Still... 12:43:16 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:43:37 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:04:03 <Wolf01> at least your house is not burned down 13:08:06 <peter1138> gah, modsecurity is pissing me off 13:29:03 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 13:31:27 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:32:01 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:31 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:17 <argoneus> yeah I feel fine now again 13:51:28 <argoneus> for whomever it may concern 13:54:58 <supermop> ugh too hot 13:55:08 <supermop> went right from too cold 13:55:37 <Wolf01> rainy week here 13:59:48 <supermop> was rainy for weeks here, then warm on monday, cold again yesterday, now very warm again today 13:59:59 <supermop> on a day i walked to work wearing a suit 14:00:19 <supermop> really need a summer suit, burning up in this wool /poly blend 14:00:57 <peter1138> sorry i lost you at "suit" 14:06:22 <supermop> ooof 14:06:46 <supermop> i don't wear suits to work enough to justify owning a "summer" suit 14:07:20 <peter1138> i bought my first suit last year. i'm 38. 14:07:21 <supermop> but could really use one today, and presumably at my wedding where it will be a lot hotter and i'll be expected to dance around and shit 14:08:02 <peter1138> worn it 3 times... funerals... 14:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a lot. 14:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> my condolences 14:11:54 <supermop> peter1138: fortunately (?) my spate of funerals was enough in the past that i no longer fit the suits I wore to them. only one this year, and my more winter suit was fit for purpose 14:16:06 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:41 *** Matombo [~Matombo@nat-wlan2.rrze.uni-erlangen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:31 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:00 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 14:49:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:50:10 <supermop> hmm anyone else find it odd that you can select company color of a wagon based on type of locomotive hauling it, rather than color of a locomotive based on type of wagons it hauls? 14:50:37 <V453000> nope 14:50:41 <V453000> works better with mixed trains 14:56:45 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 15:02:39 <supermop> V453000: was thinking that on walk to work, but still feels lit a bit of customization i'd miss 15:08:47 <supermop> oh well 15:11:38 <Wolf01> supermop, in Italy we have/had passengers liveries and cargo liveries for the same engines, did you mean that? 15:11:58 <supermop> sort of 15:12:26 <supermop> like, what if i want to select pink for passenger and grey for freight 15:16:28 <V453000> I do agree that having cargo subrefits for various colors of trains is an excellent feature 15:18:15 <supermop> you'd need some idea of a hierarchy though, and make a decision that say, one passenger car in a train of coal hoppers classifies the whole train as passenger, or instead that one boxcar at the end of a passenger train makes it a freight train 15:19:46 <supermop> or you could say that there is a default color for locomotives on mixed trains 15:20:49 <V453000> ah that 15:20:58 <V453000> well yeah such a thing is also an option 15:21:27 <V453000> if you have it controlled by code recolour, you could go really wild with it 15:33:53 *** MonkeyDronez [~MonkDAce@80.88.255.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:01 *** smoke_fumus [~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90] has joined #openttd 15:49:17 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:54:36 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DCDEC73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:55:25 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 15:55:49 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:13:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:49 *** Wormnest_ [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:42 <supermop> V453000: yeah, but want something simple and customizable rather than realistic 16:22:54 <supermop> i think ukrs may make some steam trains black if hauling freight, and might make BR era locomotives match their real passenger, mail, or freight liveries automatically 16:23:56 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:57 <supermop> but i am thinking like a feature for ogfx+ trains, where any casual user can choose pink for mail or orange for freight or grey for passenger 16:24:06 <supermop> whatever they want 16:24:12 <Alberth> random! 16:24:25 <supermop> do ogfx+ trains use 2cc? 16:24:41 <Alberth> no idea 16:25:00 <supermop> me neither 16:25:14 <Alberth> it's not that relevant, as all trains are mine 16:25:25 <supermop> hmm? 16:25:32 <Alberth> SP game :) 16:25:58 <supermop> ah - i still like to have 2cc to get some nice contrast 16:26:20 <supermop> favorite of mine is "light blue" & "orange" 16:27:07 <supermop> previously used a lot of green and yellow, also looks goot 16:27:10 <supermop> good 16:27:23 <Alberth> :) 16:27:45 <supermop> currently using grey with pink in antelope, which is surprisingly good looking on these steam locomotives 16:29:11 <supermop> in the 90s in tto i always used green, and the yellow/orange fronts on the trains looked good, which inspired me to keep using yellow or orange as 2cc 16:31:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~farci@i59F6BA1A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:33:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6DABA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:09 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 16:47:14 <frosch123> moi 16:51:13 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-95-223-75-47.hsi16.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:45 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:52:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5B0DAE69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:16 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause wasn't already here? 16:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i was... elsewhere 17:00:15 <Alberth> hola 17:05:33 <Wolf01> o/ 17:07:57 <Samu> i got a math problem, need help to solve it 17:10:42 <Samu> https://git.openttd.org/?p=trunk.git;a=blob;f=src/ai/ai_gui.cpp;h=8944e8bc4f33f8187a50d9773078e21495e6bf6f;hb=3d476cf43282833f92d1c718351f570c12d501f2#l786 17:10:56 <Samu> this for cycle and what it returns 17:11:21 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:48 <Samu> arf.. i dont know how to expose my problem :( 17:13:36 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18353.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:17:06 <Samu> if slots from 1 to 2 are HU, slots 3 to 7 are AIs, slot 14 is HU and slot 15 is AI, and I set a max no of competitors to 10, then counting the number of editable slots is returning true for slot 12, and it shouldn't 17:17:29 <Samu> slot 12 should return false 17:17:51 <Samu> because slot 15 is an AI, but the for cycle is not counting it 17:20:40 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 17:20:54 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97B8CD4.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:36 <Samu> this problem is also present in 1.6.0 17:22:44 <Samu> i want to solve this 17:23:16 <Samu> let me provide a savegame, already exposing this problem 17:25:07 <Samu> https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=23B29F3DE45F6F1F!1290&authkey=!APG21yqwbumWJjw&ithint=file%2csav 17:32:43 *** Matombo444 [~Matombo@p5DCDE7C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:32:46 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:36:16 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DCDEC73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:04 <Alberth> live.com is too broken to open, but from your description, I don't see why you cannot count ais first 17:38:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:21 <Alberth> o/ 17:40:02 <andythenorth> o/ 17:41:59 <Samu> return slot < max_slot && something_else_missing 17:45:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27556 trunk/src/lang/spanish_MX.txt (2016-05-11 19:45:36 +0200 ) 17:45:45 <DorpsGek> -Update from Eints: 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> spanish (mexican): 36 changes by Absay 17:46:32 <Samu> count ais first, how exactly do i make this counting? 17:47:04 <Samu> count from 0 to MAX_COMPANIES or max_slot or some other method? 17:49:10 <Samu> i got 4 variables if I'm not mistaken. there are Hu slots, Ai slots, not-yet-started slots determined by the max_no_competitor value and max_slot itself 17:50:36 *** FLHerne_ [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:49 <Samu> maybe 5 variables 17:55:40 *** rahtgaz [~rahtgaz@00021442.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:11 <Samu> max_slot is being computed wrong, i just know the problem is somehow related to max_slot 17:58:24 <supermop> yo andy 17:58:47 <supermop> my fiance found me an insane royal thai railways book in seattle 17:58:48 <andythenorth> lo 17:59:04 <Samu> supermop are u a math expert, problem solver or so? 17:59:12 <Samu> :p 17:59:27 <Alberth> Samu: you need to count ais, my guess is all ais, so pick a variable that realizes that 18:00:14 <supermop> with scale dimensioned drawings, stats, photos, and 100s of words of background on each bit of rolling stock up until the mid 90s 18:00:30 <Alberth> and pixels, I might add :) 18:01:22 <supermop> Samu: not at all, i had to re-take calculus in university because my score on my AP calc test from high school was not good enough to get me exempt from it 18:02:30 <supermop> in case you want an iron elephant roster instead 18:03:04 <Samu> counted_ais- if i count all ais i get 6 AIs total, or 5 AIs if counted up from the range 0-max_slot 18:03:40 <andythenorth> supermop: maybe one at a time :) 18:03:40 <Samu> max_slot changes itself from 10, to 11, then to 12 18:03:47 <andythenorth> or blend whole regions 18:04:09 <Samu> since slot 3, max_slot is equal to 12 18:05:20 <supermop> andythenorth: yeah. has interesting 1067mm stuff, including wartime Japanese Burma stuff. I thought it could apply to VN as well, but to be honest antelope could be a good fit for SEA as is 18:07:24 <supermop> but south east asia doesn't have the rich variety of stock to make it comparable to Japan or Britain for interesting 'mature' rail rosters, nor is it different enough from the other developing world rosters like antelope or llama 18:08:29 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db511d2.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:31 <supermop> maybe just add a parameter that gives everything in antelope a Thai, Khmer, or Vietnamese name 18:08:53 <supermop> (being facetious a bit) 18:10:53 <supermop> she also brought me a radical anacho-syndicalist text on the 1990 Melbourne Tram lockout 18:11:47 <andythenorth> sounds like a GS 18:22:28 <supermop> can GS cause all vehicles of a certain roadtype to breakdown? 18:26:17 <Alberth> no, at least not that I know 18:26:58 <Alberth> even then, most people cheat their way out of breakdowns by disabling them 18:29:21 <supermop> Alberth: so much for disruptive labor action then! 18:31:04 <Alberth> :) 18:38:50 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27557 trunk/config.lib (2016-05-11 20:38:44 +0200 ) 18:38:51 <DorpsGek> -Fix: bashism that caused different CFLAGS with bash vs dash 18:39:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27558 /trunk (Makefile.bundle.in Makefile.src.in) (2016-05-11 20:39:18 +0200 ) 18:39:25 <DorpsGek> -Fix: force sorting to be locale independent, so files are always ordered the same and by that token better diff-able 18:42:38 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27559 /trunk/bin/baseset (8 files) (2016-05-11 20:42:32 +0200 ) 18:42:39 <DorpsGek> -Update: baseset translations 18:47:28 <supermop> andythenorth: i am stealing your conveyors 18:56:47 <dihedral> Hello 18:57:12 <Alberth> o/ 19:03:19 *** Matombo444 [~Matombo@p5DCDE7C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what's wrong with my system today. it seems to randomly dismiss keypresses or mouse button presses every once in a while 19:09:15 *** Matombo [~Matombo@p5DCDE7C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:22 <frosch123> reboot the keylogger 19:09:25 <frosch123> it's proably oom 19:11:00 *** aard [~aard@108.134.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen oom, this is not oom :p 19:17:06 <dihedral> the receicer of my wireless keyboard got stuck on a sent backspace signal, no further input from the keyboard was accepted, but it told my computer i was sending a bunch of backspaces.... 19:17:13 <dihedral> good job there was ctrl+z 19:18:30 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 19:27:02 <supermop> can a railtype specify its own catenary? 19:27:57 <Supercheese> sure looks like it: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Railtypes 19:27:58 <supermop> and if so, will loading a catenary grf late in the newgrf list override that? 19:28:30 <frosch123> railtype-specific catenary takes precedence over global catenary 19:29:03 <supermop> firs conveyors seem to have some sort of framework over the belt, i'd like to retain that without having to make the conveyor completely covered/enclosed 19:30:36 <supermop> although i'd settle for a covered conveyor if need be as it could match the isr tipples 19:32:21 <supermop> Supercheese: that page implies that depots are aware of town zone... 19:32:40 <supermop> i wonder what interesting tricks that could be used for 19:33:11 <Supercheese> I'm sure it could enable some shed-nanigans ;) 19:33:14 <Alberth> citizens demand a new depot in their city! 19:37:44 <supermop> whats the point of the new fence feature? 19:38:09 <supermop> in case you want the fence to be a solid wall that looks different on the "front" than on the back? 19:38:46 <frosch123> no, the hope is that you can line them up properly now 19:39:01 <frosch123> previously there was only a single sprite for vertical/horizontal fence 19:39:18 <frosch123> and you could not line up either with adjacent fences in corners 19:39:31 <supermop> ah i see 19:39:32 <frosch123> though, i guess noone really tries whether it works 19:39:49 <supermop> i wasn't planning on using fences at all 19:40:52 <supermop> shoulf a belt have grass underneath? or an isr or chips style tile? or dirt? 19:41:51 <supermop> best to do both i guess, so users can use belts across wilderness as well as large station and industrial complexes 19:43:55 <frosch123> assuming the belt is moved by gnomes walking underneath it 19:44:01 <frosch123> gnomes like walking in grass 19:44:56 <V453000> DID I HEAR BELTS? 19:45:28 <frosch123> belts are better than pipelines :p 19:46:52 <supermop> V453000: want to code for me? 19:46:57 <V453000> wat 19:47:16 <V453000> if I am famous for my coding, I need to reconsider things XD 19:47:32 <supermop> i can probably manage a rail grf that adds only one railtype, but lets see 19:47:47 <V453000> how does it matter if you add 1 or 14? 19:47:47 <ST2> belts are moved by captured bitters, put on the dungeons - that's why there's some fast belts xD 19:47:52 <V453000> copypaste :) 19:52:41 <Matombo> hi, i have a station near a cole mine and 2 trains getting the coal, but the mine only gives about 40% of the produced coal to the station 19:52:57 <Matombo> how can i make the coalmine giving more to the station? 19:53:30 <Matombo> (for it to grow i need to deliver 60%, also the trains would be more filled) 19:54:05 <frosch123> set the trains to full-load 19:54:49 <ST2> suggestion 2: build a Statur on town that gave station name 19:54:52 <Matombo> but i allready getting everything from the station, or will then be more delivered to the station while the train is waiting 19:54:53 <Matombo> ? 19:54:55 <ST2> Satue* 19:55:04 <ST2> grrr 19:55:08 <ST2> Statue* 19:55:10 <frosch123> Matombo: you need to improve your station rating 19:55:13 <ST2> that :D 19:55:36 <frosch123> full-load is one of the most important things to do that 19:55:43 <Matombo> can i look my current rating up somewhere 19:55:51 <frosch123> in the station gui 19:56:53 <Matombo> ok where can i build the statue, i thought i once have read that somewhere but i don't know where anymore xD 19:57:08 <frosch123> https://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Station_rating <- if you want spoilers 20:00:59 <Matombo> thanks 20:01:12 <Matombo> well no spoilers in sim games imho 20:01:18 <Matombo> they are complicated enouth xD 20:05:26 <Alberth> nah, it's easy enough to make sufficient money, it only gets complicated when you want more :) 20:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i must say, i enjoyed some games way more before i learned all the details of the mechanics 20:08:36 *** tunbelly [~b@1.20.171.16] has joined #openttd 20:10:07 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 20:10:36 <Matombo> the build statue option is not available where it should be 20:10:45 <Matombo> any requirements for it to make it apear 20:10:50 <Matombo> ? 20:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i think you need enough money 20:12:48 *** Tirili [~Unknown@HSI-KBW-082-212-030-207.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:05 <supermop> can "rail" sprites have any height other than catenary? 20:13:37 <Matombo> Eddi|zuHause, but shouldn'T the option already be there? 20:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no, options are hidden for some reason 20:14:19 <supermop> yeah i never got tha 20:14:20 <supermop> t 20:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not even chris sawyer will know anymore after over 20 years :p 20:15:03 <supermop> he may not have know 20 years ago why he did it 20:15:05 <blathijs> 1 20:15:11 <supermop> 2 20:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 32 20:18:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:22:10 <supermop> do i need to draw the belt as a "flat" rectangle on the ground, cut off at tile edge? 20:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> rail tiles do not have a bounding box, so i'd lean towards "yes" 20:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause> monorails have problems with that 20:26:57 <supermop> what might go wrong if i do not follow that rule? 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(www.adiirc.com)] 21:45:41 *** gelignite [~gelignite@x4db511d2.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/1kso8Ta] 21:50:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:59:51 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:44 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 22:08:48 <supermop_> ok have some quick track and overhead sprites for belts 22:28:53 *** shirish [~quassel@103.62.21.106] has joined #openttd 22:34:32 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:36 *** JacobD88 [~Thunderbi@cpc80661-stap13-2-0-cust817.12-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 22:42:39 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:20 <Montana> Hi, can anybody help me? I am trying to upload an update to Bananas but it returns "A file with this name already exists". Of course, it is an update, how could i solve this? 22:48:47 <Montana> Also i get "There is already a package with the unique id '47434552'." error 22:52:35 <supermop_> no idea 22:52:42 *** Wormnest_ [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52:48 <supermop_> think all the bananas people would be in bed now 22:55:37 <ST2> I guess it's about [GS] RCG - A city growth GameScript for OTTD 22:55:48 <ST2> but nothing I can do too 22:56:48 <Wolf01> 'night 22:56:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:58:37 <ST2> maybe needs a new version number (note: never uploaded to bananas so, it's a blind shot ^^) 22:59:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:05 <Montana> indeed, its RCG 22:59:23 <Montana> I have put newer version number, but nothing 23:00:43 <ST2> that GS have helped me alot - we use Aphid's CB GS in some of our servers and with FIRS 2... was a mess ^^ 23:00:49 <ST2> all good now :D 23:01:49 <Montana> How did you know its RCG? Do you visit forums assiduously? 23:01:57 <ST2> yeah 23:02:12 <Montana> What do you mean with "was a mess"? 23:02:40 <ST2> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&p=1168566#p1168566 <- keoz's words uncovered you :P 23:03:38 <ST2> well same happened with YETI 0.1.1 - cargoID's changed 23:04:26 <Montana> Lol 23:04:39 <Montana> Didnt know about that post 23:09:47 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 23:11:24 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: There's a real world out here!] 23:33:57 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:35:11 *** Montana [~oftc-webi@213.254.77.188.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 23:52:53 *** Quatroking [~Quatrokin@ip226-139-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]