Log for #openttd on 15th July 2016:
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05:06:23  <MonkeyDrone> V453000, you around?
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05:39:35  <MonkeyDrone> alien
05:39:43  <MonkeyDrone> yes, lol, monkey here
05:39:47  <MonkeyDrone> too lazy to change
05:40:12  <Elle> Ooooh
05:40:15  <Elle> There we go!
05:40:52  <MonkeyDrone> Elle,
05:40:58  <MonkeyDrone> Elle, hallo
05:41:17  <MonkeyDrone> settings -> preferences -> color
05:42:17  <Elle> Try highlight again
05:43:02  <MonkeyDrone> Elle,
05:43:10  <MonkeyDrone> i've set mine to dark
05:43:19  <MonkeyDrone> dark colors, easy on the eyes then the white killer
05:43:50  <Elle> I did too, the ast time I had Hexchat, but I want to see that its old glitches are gone before I dive into too much customisation again
05:44:24  <MonkeyDrone> lol
05:44:29  <MonkeyDrone> Elle, well how is it going so far?
05:45:33  <Elle> Good, good. Still trying to make some sense of this IRC wizardry. Like, I know that it exists, and I know that people are using it, and I know that it's very useful, but I never used it myself and never figured it out
05:49:05  <MonkeyDrone> well , it's as simple as it gets :P
05:49:19  <MonkeyDrone> hopefully V453000 shows up today morning and we can have a nice chat with him :P
05:49:49  <Elle> That would be nice, but I cant help but wonder what I've gotten myself into
05:49:59  <MonkeyDrone> meanwhile, run another instance of openttd and install RAWR through the online content download and give it a quick run xd
05:50:15  <MonkeyDrone> well i'm going to see if i can make magic happen :P
05:50:41  <MonkeyDrone> 2 heads are better than 1, am i rite? :D
05:52:02  <Elle> Remind me, what is the end goal here? You'd like me to consider modelling for OpenTTD's engine?
05:52:45  <MonkeyDrone> yes :P
05:52:55  <MonkeyDrone> you have potential :D
05:53:13  <MonkeyDrone> i will do what i can to utilize it for openttd's sake :p
05:53:31  <Elle> Thanks for the kind words... but what you saw was something that I'm only learning to make =P
05:53:49  <Elle> We'll have to see if I can make something usable in this case
05:54:33  <MonkeyDrone> that is why I would like you to have a talk with V453000
05:54:40  <MonkeyDrone> so we can see where you stand :D
05:54:51  <MonkeyDrone> cause i've no idea how life of modelers work xD
05:57:04  <Elle>
05:57:43  <Elle> MonkeyDrone take a peek at that file
05:58:13  <MonkeyDrone> lol clickable urls, yay
05:58:19  <Elle> Awesome!
05:58:41  <MonkeyDrone> build walls?
05:58:58  <MonkeyDrone> building*
05:59:26  <Elle> Yeah, like what I used in the renders that I showed you
05:59:43  <Elle> This is one of the textures that I needed to make from scratch
06:00:12  <Elle> It has all the required advanced maps; diffuse, nmap, ao, roughness, metalness
06:00:36  <Elle> You could go to an AAA game with that set of technical textures =P
06:01:04  <Elle> It's very low rez though, because thats all I needed for my usage. I could make them of any quality
06:01:44  <MonkeyDrone> and that is exactly what you shall talk about with V453000  :D
06:03:05  <Elle> Pfff. Fine, fine... This gonna be good
06:03:31  <Elle> Unless he comes around and decides that I'm a newbie who can only impress even bigger newbies =P
06:03:57  <Elle> ...I worry too much, dont I
06:05:11  <MonkeyDrone> yeah, you are worrying too much :P
06:05:17  <MonkeyDrone> just have alook at his work
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06:05:38  <MonkeyDrone>
06:05:39  <Elle> *slips one more here just to be sure*
06:06:18  <Elle> This is not a big atlas of textures, but thats what I used to panel the engine that I showed you earlier
06:06:19  <MonkeyDrone>
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06:07:29  <MonkeyDrone> oooo, that's the body of the engine :D sweeet
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06:09:13  <Elle> Humm... I looked at the screenshot and there's something that I dont understand about it
06:09:26  <MonkeyDrone> what is that?
06:09:56  <Elle> Is this serious 3D? Or is this just prerendered 2D?
06:10:04  <Supercheese> pre-rendered
06:10:23  <Elle> Yeah then, this isnt what I was up for =(
06:10:24  <Supercheese> I think he posted his gfx pipeline somewhere
06:11:10  <Supercheese>
06:11:13  <Elle> I mean I can do this, but there are so many reasons why I would much rather do proper 3D
06:12:05  <MonkeyDrone> thanks Supercheese , Elle , check that link, that should make a lot more sense:p
06:13:05  <Elle> V uses 3ds Max... Just as I do, which is awesome...
06:13:30  <Elle> But he uses Vray and I come from Mental Ray, and we kinda hat each other =D
06:13:58  <MonkeyDrone> you will get along fine :P
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06:30:24  <Wolf01> o/
06:30:56  <MonkeyDrone> o/
06:31:02  <MonkeyDrone> only ghosts in here
06:32:01  <Wolf01> not a new
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07:28:03  <V453000> yo huminz
07:28:32  <V453000> ooh someone talking about interesting stuff
07:28:35  <Wolf01> zog zog
07:28:48  <V453000> @logs
07:28:48  <DorpsGek> V453000:
07:29:52  <V453000> Elle: around?
07:30:09  <Elle> Wuh? *snaps up, looks around*
07:30:11  <Elle> Oh, hello
07:30:27  <V453000> hi. :) just slowly reading the logs atm
07:32:11  <V453000> how are you? :)
07:32:13  <MonkeyDrone> read all about it
07:32:30  <MonkeyDrone> hello V453000 , how's it going?
07:33:27  <V453000> stuff is nice
07:33:37  <V453000> if I could get someone to help with BRIX/RAWR, it would be splendid
07:33:37  <MonkeyDrone> Elle, meet V453000 , V453000 meet Elle. Elle is a modeller and has an idea for a train engine and wants to know how one goes about it to bring it to life in Ottd
07:33:50  <V453000> nice
07:33:56  <V453000> I am all ears :)
07:33:58  <MonkeyDrone> all i know is, you both are modellers
07:34:18  <MonkeyDrone> talk it out and see where you both stand and if its possible to even work together :P
07:34:57  <V453000> sooo what's this idea about? :)
07:36:10  <MonkeyDrone> hehe, Elle should be here in a moment hopefully
07:36:18  <MonkeyDrone> i want to see this go down :D
07:36:27  <Elle> I got an impression that you're working on a 3D engine for OTTD. Our pal here has seen some of my art, and he said that my sort of art would be welcome in OTTD
07:36:56  <Elle> Like... I showed off some buildings... a single train engine that I came up with... Such stuff.
07:37:00  <MonkeyDrone> there was a slight misunderstanding that OTTD was bringing 3D to the game
07:37:04  <V453000> right, well 3D OpenTTD would be a cute thing but someone would have to program it, and it would be completely incompatible with old ttd probably, unless you added some wild shit like locked isometric view etc
07:37:17  <V453000> so, now I just do 2D sprites
07:37:22  <V453000> rendered from 3D models of course
07:38:21  <Elle> Yeah, I was getting to that point. It turned out not to be what how the pal initially made me believe. And yeah, thats what I said to him after seeing RAWR; "If V was able to work in 3D, he wouldnt be converting them to 2D for no good reason"
07:38:50  <V453000> well I kind of like the sprite workflow
07:39:05  <V453000> but yeah if there was the option to have OpenTTD in 3D, it would be interesting
07:39:07  <V453000> to say the least
07:39:14  <Elle> We came to the topic because I told him how I first played TTD on PSX, which had some rather likable 3D graphics. Like, real 3D, free camera and all
07:39:17  <V453000> the problem is that such project would probably be utterly enormous
07:39:40  <V453000> to be done properly
07:40:10  <V453000> right now, I don't have the energy or time to start something so gigantic, but I am trying to finish BRIX to at least have some nice higher resolution style
07:40:23  <Elle> It wouldnt be as enormous as you say it would be... If it was really that hard, our modern videogames wouldnt be 95% 3D nowadays
07:40:25  <V453000> RAWR is an ok proof of concept but needs massive amount of work
07:40:35  <V453000> fair point Elle :)
07:40:46  <V453000> admittedly rendering 10 000 sprites to have a base set is insane
07:41:00  <Supercheese> 'tis over nine thousand
07:41:13  <Elle> Many shortcuts could be taken with a true 3D engine for OTTD. For example, very little stuff is animated.
07:41:36  <V453000> well yeah
07:41:41  <Elle> Another example is that everything sits on a 2D plane. There arent overlapping objects to complicate stuff.
07:41:47  <V453000> I am more thinking all of the pathfinder/other things to do
07:42:43  <Elle> No need for extra pathfinding. You dont need to rewrite the game just to have a 3D engine. Internally, the game would still be doing exactly what it's doing right now. It would just be drawing to the screen differently.
07:43:11  <V453000> I understand
07:43:36  <Elle> It would even be compatible with the non-3D saves
07:43:38  <V453000> well, sounds interesting, what steps would you take?
07:43:54  <Elle> And I remember the PSX version being able to switch between 3D, and the one that we have now
07:44:34  <Elle> Steps, steps, steps... Well the terrain could be generated on the spot from the nodes (those little dots when you raise and lower terrain, they define the terrain)
07:44:57  <Elle> And the buildings and other objects could be in OBJ format
07:45:19  <Elle> That already covers the graphics for terrain, cities, and vehicles.
07:45:51  <Elle> The water could be either simple as ingame now, or some fancier shader could be used just as well, perhaps customisable
07:46:25  <V453000> that's pretty much how I imagine it as well
07:46:26  <Elle> The overall look could be kept very close to how it is now, just 3D
07:46:56  <V453000> there are some pitfalls I could see, because for example trains travel at different speeds on diagonal directions, compared to straight ones
07:47:06  <V453000> or heights of tunnels are huge hacks etc
07:48:05  <Elle> Everything would be calculated same as ever. If trains went "faster" diagonally, they would do the same here. If they went down into a tunnel, they would again do so here. The only thing that would change would be drawing to the screen
07:49:01  <V453000> well yeah, but for example the diagonal/straight train issue is a problem because you need 141% longer train models on diagonals, to make them fit, but I guess that can be solved
07:49:45  <V453000> we could even have super simple placeholders for now, like boxes etc
07:50:06  <V453000> honestly, when I made everything just coloured boxes in BRIX, it actually kind of worked nicely XD
07:50:14  <Elle> Very much so. Or some quick test objects could be quickly whipped up
07:50:34  <V453000> I would prefer boxes because test objects tend to already set pace for some visual style etc
07:51:45  <Elle> Okay, but wouldnt we already know what visual style we'd want? One close to the original.
07:52:02  <V453000> well yeah.
07:52:05  <V453000> that's true
07:53:46  <Flygon_> I kno I'm late but
07:53:55  <Flygon_> <Elle> I got an impression that you're working on a 3D engine for OTTD. Our pal here has seen some of my art, and he said that my sort of art would be welcome in OTTD
07:54:03  <Flygon_> Wasn't the playstation release in 3D?
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07:54:15  <V453000> yes, he said that. :)
07:54:25  <Flygon> Right
07:54:36  <Flygon> Sorry, haven't gotten around to reading fully yet
07:55:06  <Elle> The playstation release really was in 3D. Thats the first one I played.
07:55:41  <Flygon> If there would be an insane feature request I'd want, that isn't "Free routing of tunnels and bridges in a 3D space", it'd be having variable gradient slopes
07:56:05  <Elle> It even looked pretty good, like this...
07:56:46  <Elle> And this was over 15 years ago, we could do even better today
07:56:47  <V453000> interesting :D I like how it is replicated from the sprites
07:57:02  <V453000> definitely
07:57:57  <Elle> What do you mean by variable gradient slopes, Flygon?
07:58:13  <MonkeyDrone> something like mountain slopes i assume
07:58:21  <Flygon> Mountain slopes too
07:58:21  <MonkeyDrone> whiter on top but gets less snow as you come down
07:58:23  <Flygon> But more
07:58:33  <Flygon> Instead of taking just one tile to go from 'height' 22 to 23 for example
07:58:35  <Flygon> Take 2 or 4 tils
07:58:39  <Flygon> With a smoother slope
07:58:42  <Flygon> tiles*
07:58:47  <Elle> Well in the current engine we cant raise them higher, or else you wouldnt be able to see whats behind. But in 3D...
07:58:48  <MonkeyDrone> oh that,
07:59:00  <Elle> Oh I see what you meant now.
07:59:13  <Flygon> Weeeeeeeeeeelllll... 90 degree rotation isn't impooooooooooooooooooooossible
07:59:13  <V453000> I wouldn't add anything extra like that
07:59:19  <Flygon> But a nightmare in the art department
07:59:29  <V453000> keeping it basic for now
07:59:31  <Supercheese> and the map array department
07:59:34  <Flygon> Same reason it'd never happen in AoEII
07:59:37  <Flygon> Yeah, that too
07:59:57  <Elle> I wouldnt add something like that, I agree with V, because that would be a gameplay change, and here I'm mostly advocating that the stuff just draws differently... and the rest remains as is
08:00:17  <V453000> yes exactly
08:01:03  <MonkeyDrone> so to this layman, what are the chances of 3D sprites coming to OTTD
08:01:10  <V453000> well, how would one go about using a 3D engine? unity orsomething?
08:01:27  <V453000> MonkeyDrone: 100% if someone does it :P
08:01:28  <Elle> Whats funny is, if we had a 3D engine, and could make some modifications to the 3D generator, we could have a smooth terrain with smoothly climbing gradients... Our current limitation is just because it's 2D
08:01:38  <Flygon> Map array
08:01:44  <V453000> yes that would work Elle
08:01:52  <Flygon> Wait, it would?
08:01:54  <Flygon> O_o
08:02:04  <V453000> well if it's just drawing
08:02:11  <Flygon> My understanding of the engine is clearly nowhere near what I thought it was
08:02:17  <Flygon> Well, I was thinking more of
08:02:22  <Flygon> Hillclimbing mechanics
08:02:31  <V453000> no retarded gameplay ideas
08:02:31  <Elle> Because we would be able to set those nodes to any height we want. It wouldnt have to be 2 high or 3 high, it could be 2.43 high if we wanted.
08:02:33  <Flygon> Smoother slope = Vehicles not being locked to, say, 7% gradients
08:02:37  <V453000> we are just trying to draw the game differently
08:03:03  <Flygon> Hence, it'd look a bit odd a metal train struggling the same way on a smooth slope as a steep slope
08:03:21  <Elle> Yeah, so let's just stick to the graphics for now =P
08:03:25  <Elle> as V suggested
08:04:16  <Wolf01> I think you want "train fever", if only the devs didn't let it die... maybe an open train fever one day...
08:04:22  <Flygon> (I'm actually kind of curious how processing/RAM intensive a fully-3D map array would be, instead of the '2D' one currently used)
08:04:24  <V453000> soo, unity? unreal? how does one go about that? I never did graphics for a 3D engine
08:04:48  <V453000> you draw only things you see Flygon , map array stays the same
08:04:58  <Flygon> I meant in terms of
08:05:01  <Elle> I could probably supply all kinds of models if this thing existed (and couple probably model anything thats in the game right now with enough effort), and I could make textures, including the advanced textures used in modern game engines
08:05:04  <Wolf01> oh, I just found why they let the game die
08:05:11  <Flygon> Having tunnels with signalling, curves, ect
08:05:13  <V453000> I think we want openttd, in 3D. Train fever is realistic bullshit
08:05:16  <Flygon> And viaducts the same way
08:05:16  <Wolf01>
08:05:34  <Flygon> The sort of thing that can't really be faked with wormholes, to my understanding
08:05:48  <V453000> well yeah I can spew models and textures too Elle , problem is creating the enviromnent to put them in
08:05:50  <Flygon> And instead requires a '3D' map array instead of '2D'? O_o?
08:06:04  <MonkeyDrone> so as the current ottd engine stands, you can't add 3d model artwork to the game correct?
08:06:25  <V453000> yes, only sprites atm MonkeyDrone
08:06:25  <Flygon> You can pre-render it, but that doesn't allow a 3D camera :P
08:06:40  <Elle> Flygon, as I said earlier, a lot of shortcuts would be possible to take with OTTD, and one of them is that the game is already 2D
08:06:58  <Flygon> I'm referring to the engine, not rendere
08:07:00  <Flygon> renderer
08:07:31  <Flygon> As in... the z axis is mostly just for graphics
08:07:45  <Flygon> Same way Ragnarok Online has a z axis, but it's only really used for graphics rendering
08:07:51  <Flygon> The engine game, engine-wise, is 2D
08:07:56  <V453000> Elle , MonkeyDrone please join me in #openttd.3d ... just type /join #openttd.3d
08:08:17  <Elle> Well even if it's mostly for the show, the game already KNOWS when something is above something else (like a train going above another train using a bridge) we in a 3D engine we would just need use it
08:08:25  <Flygon> (either way, I'm strongly intrigued by a 3D frontend put onto OpenTTD :3)
08:08:34  <Flygon> (PSX TTD has always fascinated me)
08:08:47  <Flygon> Elle: The power of wormholes
08:09:08  <Flygon> As I understand it, the vehicle basically remains 'trapped' in one tile internally, but works around that fact when rendering
08:10:58  <Supercheese> black magick
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08:14:08  <Flygon> (I should look into if it'll be possible to put '3D' spaces into Open Source Ragnaok Online clients... but simply creating a shitload of stacked 2D arrays would eat up too much RAM)
08:14:27  <Flygon> (maybe just do hacky stuff like how the 2D Sonic games have multiple collissions :U)
08:23:03  <MonkeyDrone> anyone here can help me with server side scripts, how to do the MOTD in private chat etc?
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09:20:09  <Wolf01> anybody knows how to get rid of the "expression must have a constant value" error from an enum? (VS2015)
09:23:43  <peter1138> use a constant value
09:24:35  <Wolf01> it's the base ottd code, but I think is the intellisense mistake here
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10:44:29  <MonkeyDronez> sup V
10:44:50  <MonkeyDronez> you know anyone who knows how to work with scripts in this game
10:45:10  <MonkeyDronez> reddit has a 'Welcome player', basically reading players name and printing it to them in a private message
10:45:26  <MonkeyDronez> i have managed to just get the general MOTD popping up in 'All' whnever a player joins
10:45:51  <MonkeyDronez> don't even know where to begin, wiki has no information whatsoever on it and google is useless for it.
10:50:20  <V453000> Sylf coded some scripts :)
10:50:30  <V453000> he could probably give you hints
10:50:45  <V453000> he usually appears in #openttdcoop channels in european morning and night
10:50:47  <V453000> he is us
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11:29:30  <Samu> bah, system crashed...
11:29:39  <Samu> it was already on year 2040
11:29:46  <Samu> got to restart again
11:30:18  <Samu> gonna update everything to 1.6.1 anyway
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11:39:51  <argoneus> good morning train friends
11:40:03  <argoneus> anyone here uses vim?
11:40:06  <argoneus> or used to use vim
11:43:13  <Alkel_U3> yes, I am very proud to say I can exit it and some more
11:44:16  <Alkel_U3> truth to be told, I started using vim after getting used to vimperator addon in firefox :-)
11:44:47  <Alkel_U3> what's your emergency?
11:44:59  <argoneus> I'm just wondering if it's still worth learning
11:45:08  <argoneus> I downloaded some plugins yesterday and started trying to learn it via vimtutor and such
11:45:14  <debdog> depends on how dirty your sink is
11:45:16  <argoneus> and while I can see how it makes some editing operations easier
11:45:23  <argoneus> I also lose all the features of an IDE
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11:49:26  <Alkel_U3> I use it for tinkering with configs on my server and writing short scripts so I can't really judge how big a loss that would be
11:56:17  <V453000> currently planning 30k sprites for ALL cargoes having unique sprites, with 22 unique wagon types and with some nice roster of trains :)
11:56:20  <V453000> 's good
11:58:30  <Wolf01> and you have time to work too?
11:58:40  <V453000> am on holiday this week
11:58:59  <V453000> so setting up system for train set, so I can spend little bits of time here and there to make the actual models
11:59:04  <Wolf01> usually one goes on holiday to stop working
11:59:27  <Wolf01> I need to work to stop holiday instead :|
12:00:16  <V453000> well I go on holiday to be with family and work on openttd stuff :P
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12:19:25  <Samu> just started testing NoNoCAB
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12:43:28  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds normal. :p
12:46:10  <Samu> wormnest is offline? :(
12:47:30  <Samu> NoNoCAB servers are slow
12:47:38  <Samu> in comparison with NoCAB
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12:47:44  <Samu> strange
12:49:15  <Samu> testing 5 NoNoCAB and 1 NoCAB.
12:51:23  <MonkeyDronez> thanks V453000 , i'll ask him when i see him
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13:47:38  <supermop> yo
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14:00:43  <Samu> NoNoCAB is logging too much information
14:05:04  <Samu> Warning: the best engine for connection .... etc... spam
14:05:36  <Samu> in 5 years, it logged 300 MB of text
14:05:39  <Samu> :(
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14:46:44  <Wolf01> o/
14:46:53  <Alberth> hi hi
14:47:03  <frosch123> hoin
14:47:13  <Wolf01> oh, theres'a frog too
14:47:16  <Wolf01> quak
14:48:26  <frosch123> yay, i made it before albert :)
15:09:45  <Alberth> :)
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15:43:17  <Samu> hi Wormnest
15:43:21  <Samu> im testing nonocab
15:44:51  <Samu> it's slow early game
15:45:20  <Samu> erm, I mean, it's slow
15:45:34  <Samu> i guess it will be for the whole test
15:46:20  <Samu> nonocab servers are currently in year 1957, the nocab server is in 1963
15:46:55  <Samu> it is spamming a lot of log info
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15:48:12  <Samu> dbg: [script] [0] [W] WARNING: The best engine for the connection: From: Wrindingbury to Senningstone carrying: MAIL is Yate Cargo Ship holding cargo by: Yate Cargo Ship
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15:48:26  <Samu> spams this warning for every connection
15:48:35  <Samu> then keeps the same ship
15:48:40  <Alberth> important information :)
15:49:39  <Samu> dbg: [script] [0] [W] WARNING: Keeping current best engine for existing connection From: Lunfingway to Grondwood carrying: PASS - MPS Passenger Ferry
15:50:25  <Samu> it is logging too much information
15:50:44  <Samu> 576 MB (604.879.745 bytes) in year 1957
15:51:07  <Samu> in 100 years test it will be about 20 GB?
15:53:52  <Samu> nonocab trains is running faster
15:53:56  <Samu> 1962
15:54:10  <Samu> nonocab road vehicles, as well as ships are in 1957
15:54:29  <Alberth> @calc (604879745*100/7)/1024/1024/1024
15:54:29  <DorpsGek> Alberth: 8.04768802066
15:55:47  <Alberth> hmm, why is that not even close to 20G?
15:55:49  <Samu> nonocab trains logged 290 MB
15:56:16  <Samu> seems that it's a problem with ships?
15:56:23  <Samu> but road vehicles is also delayed
15:56:29  <Samu> let me check
15:56:29  <Alberth> oh right it's 7 years rather than 5
15:57:22  <Samu> road vehicles nonocab log size - 74,2 MB (77.853.120 bytes) year 1957
15:58:18  <Samu> original ships nonocab log size - 585 MB (613.497.082 bytes) year 1958
15:58:58  <Samu> npf ships nonocab log size - 535 MB (561.407.542 bytes) year 1958
15:59:31  <Samu> yapf ships nonocab log size - 493 MB (517.288.678 bytes) year 1958
16:00:13  <Samu> trains nonocab log size - 288 MB (302.751.591 bytes) year 1963
16:01:05  <Samu> npf ships nocab log size - 2,81 MB (2.954.150 bytes) year 1963
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16:01:15  <Samu> there, testing 5 nonocabs and 1 nocab
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16:05:41  <Alberth> forgot to turn off a debug flag or so?
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16:07:39  <Samu> it is constantly checking for best vehicles for every connection
16:07:57  <Samu> and it logs that in a spam way
16:09:01  <Alberth> maybe it should store the list available vehicles, and only check if a new one arrives :p
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17:11:22  <Wormnest> hi Samu
17:11:55  <Wormnest> I think I left a statement as Warning that should have been debug only
17:12:58  <Wormnest> ThereÂŽs still lots of things that can be improved especially how often it checks for optimal vehicle for a connection
17:13:35  <Wormnest> If you have developer settings turned on you can easily reduce log messages by setting it to errors only
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17:28:59  <Samu> I don't have dev settings turned on :(
17:29:44  <Samu> won't change that mid testing
17:30:42  <Samu> npf ships nonocab seems stuck
17:31:28  <Samu> lets seee what the log says
17:31:59  <Samu> dbg: [script] [0] [W] WARNING: Demolishing connection from Brathill City Forest to (null : 0x0000000000000000)+
17:32:14  <Samu> last message, before those saves
17:32:25  <Samu> it's stuck at that, it seems
17:34:17  <Samu> ah i see
17:34:21  <Samu> ship is lost
17:34:33  <Samu> its trying to go to a depot, but its running in circles
17:34:45  <Samu> won't reach any depot
17:35:19  <Samu> npf pathfinder is bad
17:38:14  <Samu>
17:39:28  <Samu> ship is running in circles near retbridge buoy #6
17:39:49  <Samu> depot he wants to go is near pruntbourne buoy #5
17:40:37  <Samu> there is a way to go there, but npf seems to fail
17:40:41  <Samu> can't find it
17:44:12  <Wormnest> Yea getting ships to depots can be problematic
17:47:27  <Wormnest> The entire demolish connection code needs to be rewritten the way itÂŽs done now is too inefficient
17:47:47  <Wormnest> And like you noticed if something goes wrong the entire AI gets stuck
17:48:26  <Samu> the orders are from brathill city docks to retbridtge docks
17:48:36  <Samu> using the buys in the way
17:48:39  <Samu> buoys
17:49:03  <Samu> he has a brathill city depot order
17:49:19  <Samu> but npf decided to use an unreachable depot :(
17:49:24  <Samu> in pruntbourne
17:51:20  <Samu> it's a wood ship
17:51:28  <Samu> yeah, the sawmill is gone
17:51:45  <Samu> he's doing the right thing, but npf screwed up
17:52:25  <Wormnest> well if he sent it explicitly to go to a depot then nonocab did it wrong
17:52:50  <Wormnest> CanÂŽt remember if he does that when demolishing for ships but if he does thatÂŽs wrong
17:53:32  <Wormnest> Since itÂŽs known that ship pathfinding is problematic he should always wait until he is at a depot order
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18:06:39  <Wolf01> andytheblinking
18:07:09  <andythenorth> o/
18:07:15  <Wolf01> o/
18:08:38  <andythenorth> what next?
18:09:25  <Wolf01> I'm sleeping standing up
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18:35:17  <Alberth> more room for lego!
18:35:46  <andythenorth> Wolf01: (probably seen it already)
18:36:24  <Wolf01> yup
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19:24:51  <Samu> just tried 3d mark time spy directx 12 benchmark
19:25:45  <Samu> monitor isn't even 2560x1440 or whatever
19:25:57  <Samu> looks like my mon is outdated
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19:30:56  * andythenorth ponders
19:34:02  <Wolf01> moving to 3d you too?
19:35:35  <andythenorth> nah
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19:52:03  <andythenorth> should I do a Road Hog release?
19:52:23  <ST2> where is the poll?
19:52:24  <ST2> xD
19:52:38  <andythenorth> here
19:52:41  <andythenorth> +/-1
19:53:11  <andythenorth> I am good at betting on votes
19:53:12  <ST2> well, how you think about it? that's my option too ^^
19:53:23  * andythenorth does it
19:53:29  <andythenorth> have to write the changelog though
19:53:31  <andythenorth> admin crap :P
19:53:36  <ST2> hehe
19:53:49  <ST2> let me grab some stamina bottles to send ^^
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20:08:52  <andythenorth> done
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20:11:00  <ST2> "Beta 4 never made it to Bananas, but seems no-one noticed. :twisted:" <<-- haha, sneaky xD
20:11:05  <andythenorth> it was an oops
20:11:06  <ST2> good job :)
20:11:20  <ST2> and thank you :)
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20:16:29  <andythenorth> needs more cargos :P
20:20:45  <Alberth> \o/
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21:09:08  <Samu> Wormnest: - why can't that train move?
21:09:56  <ST2> because he's blocking himself
21:10:06  <Rubidium> non-path signal
21:10:24  <Rubidium> so, block signal and therefor what ST2 says
21:10:36  <Wormnest> yep
21:11:06  <ST2> if that's done by an AI, well :S
21:11:20  <Samu> yes, nonocab
21:11:23  <ST2> anyway, the reason why got well explaned ^^
21:12:02  <Wormnest> Caused by connecting different lines then it decides for that small spot to go a different route before getting together again
21:12:19  <Wormnest> just at a spot where already a blocksignal was from the original line
21:12:56  <Wormnest> Trains really need more work they donÂŽt perform too well
21:14:31  <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that realistic? :p
21:15:03  <Wormnest> Easiest in this case is probably to not let the lines merge again within a certain amount of tiles
21:15:33  <Wormnest> who said it should be realistic ;)
21:17:29  <Samu> there's 21 trains stuck for that
21:17:34  <Samu> :(
21:19:56  <Samu> i see nonocab trains is performing much better than nocab
21:21:04  <Samu> doesn't eat much cpu
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21:27:31  <Wormnest> ThereÂŽs still lots of areas where it can be improved though
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22:03:36  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:03:42  <Elle> Sleep well!
22:04:02  <Elle> Darn
22:09:15  <Eddi|zuHause> that never works :p
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22:31:10  <Elle> I'm using Hexchat, how can I set it to mark me as Away/Idle when I've been AFK for a certain time? I think I found how to auto-un-away myself, but not how to Away
22:32:44  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not using hexchat, so i can't help you with that
22:33:18  <Elle> What are you using? Might as well hear about an alternative (everyone else is still free to advise me, of course)
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22:55:13  <Samu> I use
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