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00:18:36 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:19 *** Macha [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:15 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:29 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:53:14 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:32 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:13:13 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:58:15 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:37 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:17 <MonkeyDrone> Good morning folks o/ 03:27:44 <ElleKitty> *hops onto MonkeyDrone* 03:30:37 * MonkeyDrone crushes to death. Too early in the morningggggggg xD 03:32:19 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:47 <MonkeyDrone> didn't you sleep yet ElleKitty? 03:36:11 <ElleKitty> I didnt. I'm very sleepy -_- 03:36:26 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:34 <ElleKitty> But this coal mine wont dig itself up 03:37:17 <MonkeyDrone> lol, let it goooooooooo 03:53:50 <MonkeyDrone> so hungryyyyyyyy 04:06:11 *** ToneKnee_ [~quassel@host109-148-27-201.range109-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:08:11 *** ToneKnee [~quassel@host86-135-238-45.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:35 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i wish these vassals would actually have an AI that can coordinate... 04:30:44 <MonkeyDrone> vassals, EU4? 05:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 05:07:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6AD3E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:32:31 <MonkeyDrone> that is one sadistic brutal game. 05:32:50 <MonkeyDrone> my first game, started off as Ottoman....so many regrets :D 05:36:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6AD3E.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:31 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024e92.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #openttd 06:03:02 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g] 06:09:07 *** Compu [~Compu@cpe-67-255-36-150.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:09:57 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-109-91-72-28.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 06:26:53 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 06:26:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:17:17 <Alkel_U3> man, fuck aquifers 07:17:29 <Alkel_U3> dordf can't dig underwater 07:17:35 <Alkel_U3> *dorfs 07:19:32 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has joined #openttd 07:43:55 <MonkeyDrone> stupid dwarves 07:44:04 <MonkeyDrone> stinky thick savages 07:49:30 *** roboboy [~oftc-webi@220-244-39-147.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:49:43 <roboboy> hello 07:51:03 <roboboy> can anyone provide me with assistance on building a win32 binary of OpenTTD under linux? I am using Ubuntu. 07:51:03 <MonkeyDrone> hello roboboy 07:51:58 <roboboy> I am playing with the new Windows Subsystem for Linux which runs Ubuntu as it's usermode Linux 07:52:49 <roboboy> I also want to eventually try building OpenTTD for DOS at a later stage 07:53:43 <MonkeyDrone> roboboy: why make it for dos? 07:54:02 <roboboy> to test the build system 07:54:32 <roboboy> Once I finish moving out of home, I intend on getting my DOS PC running again. 07:55:17 <MonkeyDrone> that's an interesting undertaking 07:55:22 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.136.141.100] has joined #openttd 07:55:52 <roboboy> OpenTTD in the past has been set up to compile for DOS but it is rarely built for DOS. I intend on testing it every now and then. Plus TTD was originally a DOS game :) 07:56:46 <MonkeyDrone> roboboy: i was there for the original :P 07:57:02 <MonkeyDrone> good times ;D 07:57:24 <roboboy> I played TTD on a 98SE machine for many years. 07:57:56 <roboboy> I played the DOS version on 98SE with TTDPatch. 08:00:42 <roboboy> I am also looking at building TTDPaatch under WSL except it's svn server is down. I personally prefer TTDPatch as a player but we won't discuss that here :P 08:03:43 <MonkeyDrone> i dont even know what ttdpatch is :P 08:06:45 <roboboy> it is the program that revitalised TTD for the first time. It provides TTD many of the older enhancements in OpenTTD including the original specs for NewGRF's. It hasn't had any major updates since I think 2006? It is mostly written in assembler. 08:12:55 <roboboy> I once said the reason I don't like OpenTTD is the credits window. That is still the case however to me OpenTTD as a whole no longer feels like TTD for me, there are too many things I can't even put a finger on so I just say I won't argue and will leave it at that :P 08:16:15 <Alkel_U3> I agree, it has different feel. I can't name it, but it has something that OpenTTD doesn't. 08:23:15 <MonkeyDrone> old age and memoery recall :P 08:24:33 <roboboy> if I don't respond to my question about building OpenTTD, pm me an answer on TT-Forums please 08:25:38 <MonkeyDrone> goodluck mate 08:26:42 <roboboy> I should probably get an X server going on windows and try to run the Linux OpenTTD that way :P 08:29:48 <MonkeyDrone> lol, sounds like alot of work ;p 08:32:02 <roboboy> nah, just download an X server and run a linux command or two 08:32:31 <MonkeyDrone> just for the hell of it eh 08:32:35 <MonkeyDrone> trying out stuff and all 08:40:06 *** roboboy [~oftc-webi@220-244-39-147.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:41 <Alberth> moving graphics over the network eh? :) 08:48:28 <Alberth> will work, but euhm, very slow, most likely, with all the graphics that get modified every frame 08:50:16 <Alberth> but yeah, it's fun when you realize that the screen you're sitting behind, and the computer you work at, doesn't have to be the same 08:53:30 *** roboboy [~oftc-webi@220-244-39-147.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:54:03 <roboboy> it worked - yey 08:54:11 <Alberth> \o/ 08:54:27 <V453000> sup puny humans 08:54:54 <roboboy> @logs 08:54:54 <DorpsGek> roboboy: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 08:55:28 <Alberth> o/ V 08:56:12 <roboboy> Alberth: I think it's doing it via localhost. 08:56:40 <Alberth> hmm, not enough fun :p 08:56:48 <Alberth> but a lot faster in the connection :) 08:57:18 <roboboy> yeah. 08:57:59 <Alberth> running an MP game over localhost is probably better, performance-wise 08:58:33 <roboboy> hehe. That's not what I was doing. 08:59:04 <roboboy> I'm running Microsoft's new Windows Susbsystem for Linux which has no X server. 09:00:36 <roboboy> I built Linux OpenTTD from source under WSL and configured the environment for X and installed an X server on the same Windows 10 machine. I then launched OpenTTD from WSL's bash. 09:00:52 <Alberth> That's correct, the client with the screen runs the X server. The connection gets forwarded to the remote system for connecting the clients 09:01:03 <V453000> idk, playing openttd with original TTD graphics keeps the spirit to me 09:01:25 <V453000> sure it's not exactly the same as 500 years ago but it's still similar 09:02:09 <roboboy> how would I go about building the Windows version of OpenTTD from linux? 09:02:55 <roboboy> my ultimate goal is to build the DOS version of OpenTTD :P 09:03:32 <V453000> ._. 09:03:35 <V453000> why? :D 09:07:57 <roboboy> to ensure it still builds. It was 16 years ago since I originally tested OpenTTD on DOS on real hardware. 09:08:26 <roboboy> actually it was 6 years ago but still 09:09:21 <Alberth> install a cross compiler 09:09:53 <Alberth> probably mingw or something, ie a windows c++ compiler 09:14:54 <roboboy> I presume I want to install the 32bit version of Mingw? 09:17:10 <roboboy> actually scratch that 09:19:20 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:22 <roboboy> Ah, so I have mingw32 installed. Now to figure out how to build it. 09:34:06 <Alberth> that's the easy part, just specify the compiler that you want to use 09:34:25 <Alberth> you probably also have to specify all the libraries that it wants 09:34:45 <Alberth> ie as option to ./configure 09:35:05 <roboboy> where can I find options to ./configure? 09:35:33 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:36:49 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has joined #openttd 09:38:24 <Alberth> ./configure --help ? 09:38:42 <Alberth> long time ago that I tried that :p 09:39:13 <Alberth> you may want to write a shell script with the call, unless you like typing long command lines a zillion times 09:47:36 <MonkeyDrone> hardcore nerding going on in here :D 09:55:52 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:56:02 <Samu> hhi 10:00:32 <roboboy> well I am going to try something else for a moment 10:00:36 <Alberth> o/ 10:01:04 <roboboy> I'm installing the 64 bit version of mingw as well 10:07:25 *** Mavy_ [Mavy@2a00:1ca8:e:2::97e8:f6ec] has joined #openttd 10:10:25 *** Mavy [Mavy@nlck2.ckgaming.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host128-4-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:12:44 <Wolf01> o/ 10:13:33 <Samu> wmdot duplicating ships: http://imgur.com/a/3hScm 10:15:32 <Samu> can't direct link images anymore 10:15:42 <Samu> imgur, you're dead to me 10:15:59 <Wolf01> Use onedrive 10:16:46 <ST2> http://i.imgur.com/9p0PeBR.png 10:19:37 <Samu> nice ty 10:20:50 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:46 <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=53698&p=1174493#p1174493 10:22:49 <Samu> reported 10:24:00 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:31 <Samu> all those white dots in the mini-map are ships traveling to nardham oilfield, they have to cross the map 10:24:55 <Samu> it's a 1024x1024 map, takes them 2 years to reach destination 10:26:42 <Samu> on the other hand, yapf is the pathfinder in that test, nice that the ships don't get lost 10:26:49 <Samu> yapf is good 10:28:00 <Alberth> Yeah, I wondered about the white dots too :) 10:28:05 <Alberth> lots of ships :p 10:28:37 <roboboy> hm, can't seem to figure out ./configure's requirements 10:33:14 <roboboy> hm, just figured it out 10:33:27 <roboboy> now I need to get windres working 10:35:31 *** Biolunar [Biolunar@x4d024e92.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:37:20 <Samu> 2042, 2019 10:38:12 <Samu> lol amd driver update: cant locate folder 10:39:17 <Samu> failed to install AMD Settings Branding - whatever that is 10:40:01 <Alberth> doesn't sound very good :p 10:43:32 <Samu> oh it's just logos, images, links to updater... nothing "important" 10:44:28 <Alberth> that would be "branding" indeed :) 10:45:04 <Alberth> apparently AMD thinks it's sufficiently important to pollute your computer with it :p 10:45:15 <roboboy> hmm, this is annoying 10:45:51 <roboboy> my ./configure is the following 10:46:14 <roboboy> ./configure CXX=i686-w64-mingw32-g++ CC=i686-w64-mingw32-gcc WINDRES=amd64-mingw32msvc-windres --os=MINGW 10:47:40 <Samu> heroes of the storm daily: win 3 games - hardest daily goal :( 10:47:46 <Alberth> I'd expect the option before the parameters 10:47:58 <roboboy> hm, that may not be the right arguments anyway 10:47:59 <Alberth> ./configure --os=MINGW .... 10:48:03 <Samu> i hope today is not a loss streak day 10:48:55 <Alberth> parameters get picked up by configure? 10:48:55 <Samu> blizzard matchmaking system is still evil 10:49:54 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has joined #openttd 10:50:24 <Samu> sometimes i go on to 12 losses in a row... :( 10:50:29 <Samu> before a win 10:52:18 <Alberth> I don't even understand what "blizzard matchmaking" means tbh (and I likely don't even want to know) 10:52:52 <roboboy> ./configure --help says it can take CXX, CC and WINDRES as paramaters and it finds CC and CXX but not WINDRES 10:56:19 <Alberth> it says "environment variables", which are not parameters 10:56:29 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@dyn2-212-50-134-43.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:55 <Alberth> CXX=i686-w64-mingw32-g++ CC=i686-w64-mingw32-gcc WINDRES=amd64-mingw32msvc-windres ./configure --os=MINGW 10:57:51 <Alberth> try "export" in the shell, it should give you a dump of environment variables 10:58:20 *** juzza1_ [~juzza1@dyn2-212-50-134-43.psoas.suomi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:37 <Alberth> you can make new ones with "export FOO=some-bar" 10:59:10 <roboboy> aha 10:59:23 <Alberth> Above I used the trick that the shell can make them also for a single command, and forgets them after the command has been done 10:59:54 <Alberth> useful if you want to set some variables, but not permanently (for the current shell) 11:00:08 <Alberth> s/shell/session/ 11:05:17 <roboboy> http://pastebin.com/p7UtQknA 11:05:42 <roboboy> i'm geting an error about lzo2. 11:08:59 <Alberth> You need a whole set of libraries, for the cross compiler too 11:10:35 <Alberth> you may want to check config.log 11:10:49 <roboboy> ah. Ok 11:13:15 <Alberth> you can also set a custom path for each library, like --with-liblzo2=/some/where/here/liblzo2.so 11:13:44 <Alberth> ie I doubt it found the correct zlib :p 11:14:45 <Alberth> this is why I mentioned using a shell script for the command line ;) 11:16:01 <Samu> rofl, medivh is balanced... 11:16:08 <Samu> thx blizzard for another troll hero 11:17:09 <Samu> can't even run away from him 11:17:33 <Samu> i'm sad 11:17:47 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-109-91-72-28.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 11:17:51 <Samu> today is gonna be loss streak day 11:17:55 <Samu> i can sense it 11:20:26 <V453000> that's when you stop playing and do something else instead :) 11:20:32 <V453000> moar losses just leads to moar frustration 11:26:00 <roboboy> so I downloaded the lzo source and built it as per the MINGW instruction on the OpenTTD wiki. ./configure no longer gives me errors. However make does fail 11:26:03 <roboboy> http://pastebin.com/RrFrwBUM 11:26:25 <roboboy> brb 11:28:14 <roboboy> back 11:32:21 <roboboy> atleast i'm making progress 11:36:31 *** MonkeyDrone [~quassel@107.ip-91-134-138.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:13 *** MonkeyDrone [~MonkeyDro@107.ip-91-134-138.eu] has joined #openttd 11:42:38 <Samu> 2nd loss, next 11:43:17 <roboboy> can someone point out what could be causing make to fail? Earlier I got it to fail on endian_check but can't get it to do that again. 11:43:31 <Samu> i want 362k gold, won't stop playing 11:43:37 <Samu> losses still give gold 11:44:51 <Samu> 2045, 2019, 6 years till wmdot yapf ships reach 2051 11:45:26 <Samu> or maybe... wmdot will bankrupt before that 11:45:34 <Samu> only 1.5M in the bank 11:46:27 <MonkeyDrone> Samu: what game are you playing? 11:46:34 <MonkeyDrone> overwatch? 11:46:42 <Samu> heroes of the storm 11:46:42 <MonkeyDrone> aka TF2 2.0 11:46:47 <MonkeyDrone> ah hots 11:46:54 <MonkeyDrone> what hero you going to buy with all that gold you are collecting? 11:47:04 <MonkeyDrone> running dat stimpack too? makes insane difference 11:48:14 <MonkeyDrone> i really wish they overhauled Uther, he used to be my top hero but his healing started being less and less effective as more heros came in 11:48:35 <MonkeyDrone> now he's hopeless in pugs 11:48:52 <MonkeyDrone> <3 morales 11:48:53 <Alberth> roboboy: the compiled getoptdata.o is not in a file format that the linker understands. Perhaps you 'make'-ed it with another compiler? To be sure, clean up everything (make mrproper) and run configure and make again 11:49:20 <Alberth> it should compile everything again, including getoptdata 11:50:55 <roboboy> aha, got the endian_check error again 11:51:15 <MonkeyDrone> screw NUTS, dammit V453000. I try playing OTTD with vanilla trains now and they bloody stuck compared to NUTS. 11:51:28 <Alberth> If that doesn't fix it, you can try VERBOSE=1 make that dumps the commands that are actually being executed. Likely one of the compile commands uses the wrong path 11:51:28 <MonkeyDrone> V453000: successfully ruined classic ottd for me. gg. 11:51:36 <V453000> =D 11:51:53 <roboboy> http://pastebin.com/bmjPgnYa 11:52:57 <Alberth> euhm, that's full with unreadable unicode characters 11:54:12 <roboboy> the whole paste or just line 4? 11:54:15 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:17 <Alberth> ./objs/lang/endian_check should then also fail with the same error 11:54:56 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has joined #openttd 11:55:36 <Alberth> Ah, right, you can't run a cross-compiled endian check of course :p 11:58:21 <roboboy> so .. 11:59:06 <Alberth> run the thing on the target platform, and set option --endian=ENDIAN in configure 11:59:33 <Alberth> at least, that sounds reasonable :p 12:00:05 <roboboy> so run endian_check in windows? 12:00:16 <Alberth> unless you know endianness at the target platform, you can skip the first step 12:00:33 <Alberth> *if you know, you can skip 12:01:36 <Alberth> well, it's 90+% sure it's little endian :p 12:01:44 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has left #openttd [Connection reset by peer] 12:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never heard of a big endian windows 12:04:40 <Alberth> ok, 99.9% :p 12:06:13 <Samu> wow i win, yay 12:06:15 <Samu> lel 12:06:26 <MonkeyDrone> gg Samu 12:06:35 <MonkeyDrone> you play HL? or just normal 12:06:39 <Samu> i know, nobody cares 12:06:43 <Samu> i play quick match 12:06:47 <Samu> auto select 12:06:49 <MonkeyDrone> nice, that's where the fun is at 12:06:51 <Samu> f2p heroes 12:06:56 <MonkeyDrone> AS, heh, 12:06:58 <roboboy> yeah Windows is LE 12:07:01 <MonkeyDrone> i stick to my supports and tanks 12:07:41 <Samu> statistics say i'm best with valla 12:08:10 <Samu> azmodan and nazeebo i think 12:08:48 <MonkeyDrone> Valla, damn i suck with her. 12:08:51 <roboboy> so the command I am running is CXX=i686-w64-mingw32-g++ CC=i686-w64-mingw32-gcc WINDRES=i686-w64-mingw32-windress ./configure --os=MINGW --endian=LE 12:09:18 <roboboy> it still fails on endian_check.exe 12:09:19 <MonkeyDrone> I am great with Uther, Murky, Sonya and Morales 12:09:48 <MonkeyDrone> <3 murky, but i heard they nerfed him latest patch, have not played him since hte new patch 12:12:13 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there a "cross compile" option that skips the endian check? 12:15:08 *** Macha [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has joined #openttd 12:21:39 <Wolf01> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/agGgA3g_460s.jpg Diamond intersection..nice 12:23:37 <Alberth> ha, this is just for being cheaper than a proper crossing, I guess 12:25:13 <Samu> already in the negative 12:25:23 <Samu> wmdot will bankrupt right before 2051 :( that's sad 12:25:33 <MonkeyDrone> rip 12:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <MonkeyDrone> my first game, started off as Ottoman....so many regrets :D <-- and they say that ottomans are one of the easiest countries 12:28:33 <MonkeyDrone> Eddi|zuHause: the problem wasn't the ottoman itself. I had conquered 2 of my neighbors. Then another super power came in and said it would screw me over if i started war with anyone else. I took it on, lost miserably xD 12:28:51 <MonkeyDrone> and ottoman is not easy , they have a lot of penatly on their tech advancement 12:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but they also have good leaders 12:29:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and all you need is vienna and tech 10 to westernize 12:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you likely get to miltech 4 before anyone else 12:30:25 <MonkeyDrone> i always focused on aggressive expansion, probably was the reason for my downfall most of the time 12:30:39 <Samu> MonkeyDrone: descending order: valla, azmodan, nazeebo, sylvanas, sgt. hammer, muradin, raynor, li li, e.t.c., malfurion, tychus, sonya, jaina, diablo, arthas, falstad, anub'arak, kael'thas, stitches, chen, johanna, tyrande, gazlowe, rehgar, uther, tassadar, thrall, tyrael, brightwing, kerrigan, nova, rexxar, leoric, kharazim, the butcher, illidan, lunara, lt.morales, zeratul, li-ming, tracer, xul, greymane, the lost vikings, medivh, artanis 12:30:43 <MonkeyDrone> i played as aggessively as i could with the ottomans, went full genghis on their butts 12:31:08 <roboboy> I couldn't find a "cross compile" option 12:31:12 <MonkeyDrone> got hotlogs Samu? 12:31:15 <Samu> dehaka 12:31:28 <MonkeyDrone> lost vikings at the bottom xD, i hate em :P 12:31:29 <Samu> no idea what's that, i keep hearing of that 12:31:42 <MonkeyDrone> how do you not know of hotslogs!? 12:31:47 <MonkeyDrone> how long have you been playing that game? 12:31:53 <Samu> 2 years 12:32:20 <MonkeyDrone> hotslogs.com 12:32:30 <MonkeyDrone> 2 years...damn Samu, you should really look into hotslogs 12:32:31 <Samu> ok let me see 12:32:43 <MonkeyDrone> http://www.hotslogs.com/Player/Profile?PlayerID=2933300 12:32:45 <MonkeyDrone> my profile :P 12:33:03 <Samu> the site is either slow or is not opening for me 12:33:47 <Samu> most deaths as: 12:33:56 <Samu> nova, tassadar, tracer 12:34:03 <MonkeyDrone> lol 12:34:14 <MonkeyDrone> it collects your stats by having to upload your replays 12:34:26 <MonkeyDrone> so if you start now, it will start profiling you adn over time you can see how well you roll 12:34:36 <MonkeyDrone> Murky 72% win rate <3 12:35:10 <Samu> oops nevemind, those are not the most deaths as 12:35:29 <Samu> most deaths as: valla, li li, malfurion 12:35:44 <Samu> most wins as valla too 12:36:04 <Samu> well, auto selects valla most of the time when she's available... 12:36:42 <MonkeyDrone> cause no one else plays her anymore :p 12:37:01 <Samu> i wanted a death/win ratio 12:37:24 <Samu> most assists as: li li, malfurion, valla 12:37:48 <Samu> most kills as: valla, tychus, raynor 12:38:06 <MonkeyDrone> nice! 12:38:10 <MonkeyDrone> tychus <3 12:38:19 <MonkeyDrone> they nerfed him a bit but he was so epic before the nerf 12:38:19 <Samu> valla is in in every "most *something) 12:38:32 <MonkeyDrone> play her enough and she will be, duh :P 12:38:54 <Samu> Welcome to HOTS Logs! - it has opened! 12:39:22 <roboboy> I suspect I will have most of these problems again when I try to build for DOS :( 12:39:30 <Samu> inlcudes hero league matches? so no quick match? 12:39:34 <Samu> useless site 12:40:17 <Samu> hero bans? what the hell is a hero ban? 12:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: have you actually checked the wiki page on cross compiling? 12:41:02 <MonkeyDrone> Samu: competitive play, you can ban heros in selections i think 12:41:39 <Samu> zagara with the most win % in those stats 12:41:57 <Samu> she's imba indeed 12:42:23 <MonkeyDrone> she got major upgrades last patch 12:42:44 <Samu> chromie is quite low... 12:42:48 <Samu> that's unexpected 12:43:14 <Samu> she's so annoying, 1 hit kills 12:43:22 <Samu> chrono rip 12:43:35 <Samu> blah whatever she uses that teles me back into death 12:43:50 <MonkeyDrone> lol but Chronie needs good skills at knowing where your enemy will be 12:43:57 <MonkeyDrone> i bought her, tried playing, i suck with her 12:44:15 <Samu> medivh in last place 12:44:21 <MonkeyDrone> bought tracer also <3 she's freakin brutal in the right hands 12:44:21 <Samu> i dont trust these statistics 12:44:35 <Samu> medivh, super annoying 12:44:36 <MonkeyDrone> these statistics onhotlogs are only calculated from replays uploaded by people 12:44:55 <MonkeyDrone> so more people upload their replays, (which is uploaded automatically) each is like 250KB 12:45:01 <MonkeyDrone> the hotslogs desktop app takes care of it 12:45:10 <roboboy> Eddi|zuHause: No. I didn't spot it under Category:Compiling OpenTTD 12:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: hm. i thought i saw it there some years ago 12:46:13 <Samu> azmodan as the worst siege? they gottta be kiding me 12:46:26 <Samu> everytime i see azmodan, i know forts are gone 12:47:08 <MonkeyDrone> a lot of people can't play Azmo 12:47:13 <MonkeyDrone> i've seen so many bad azmos 12:47:15 <roboboy> I am looking at it now however 12:47:30 <MonkeyDrone> they don't know how to split push 12:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: while at it, you might add it to the category ;) 12:48:54 <Samu> wmdot is still surviving 12:49:18 <Samu> 4 more years till 2051, i doubt he'll make it 12:55:14 <Rubidium> roboboy: have you tried ./configure --host=i686-w64-mingw32 ? 13:01:22 <roboboy> no. Will try that next 13:03:22 <Rubidium> the biggest PITA of cross compiling are the "config" scripts of the libraries, e.g. pkg-config and so on will not magically give you the right library so you need to "customize" those scripts, or have only those scripts for the architecture you're building for, or have the scripts in a separate folder and mention them explicitly 13:03:58 <Rubidium> that's why it's best to disable all the libraries at first and see if you can get a binary built, and then start worrying about those libraries 13:04:45 *** Sova [~Sova@cable-89-216-123-190.static.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:26 <roboboy> here is my latest attempt. It includes how I ran ./configure and the fact I ran make mrproper http://pastebin.com/SCBm35M2 13:10:37 <Rubidium> could you do a make VERBOSE:=1 (no need to do mrproper or configure) 13:17:15 <roboboy> http://pastebin.com/BRt0bsV0 13:19:21 <Rubidium> okay, one of the libraries is messing with the build path. Try again with --without-png --without-icu --without-liblzma --without-lzo2 --without-zlib extra 13:21:58 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:22 <roboboy> http://pastebin.com/EnSEaYrf 13:26:49 <Rubidium> guess what... add --without-sdl --without-iconv 13:27:11 <Rubidium> (it --without-iconv exists) 13:27:25 <Rubidium> s/it/if/ 13:32:35 <Samu> last year for wmdot, almost there, he's surviving with bankrupt warnings 13:36:02 <roboboy> it built and ran 13:37:20 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:21 <Gja> Hej 13:43:01 <roboboy> thankyou Alberth and Rubidium . I presume to build for DOS, I will need to download and build djgpp myself? 13:45:05 <roboboy> anyway, I should go to bed soon. Am just installing wine on Ubuntu on WIndows to see if I can run the Windows version in that crazy environment. 13:52:16 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 13:52:51 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:56 <Samu_> 2051! 13:53:50 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:17 <Samu_> started nonocab v3 original/npf/yapf ships tests 14:33:56 *** roboboy [~oftc-webi@220-244-39-147.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:49 *** Arveen [~Arveen@ip-109-91-72-28.hsi12.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 14:58:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:43 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:03:46 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~farci@i59F6B95C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:57 *** Samu_ [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:39:22 <Alberth> o/ 15:41:24 <supermop> yo 15:50:41 <frosch123> hoi 16:04:58 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po1-84-91-250-188.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 16:35:27 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has joined #openttd 16:38:01 <Rubidium> moi 16:45:34 <Samu> heh, running hots + 3 servers ottd + 3 spectators ottd uses 6.8 GB RAM 16:51:36 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:55:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:21 <Samu> tyrande is the worst hero possible 16:59:01 *** mescalito [~mescalito@195-183-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: mescalito] 17:03:04 <ElleKitty> Hey V453000 17:03:14 <ElleKitty> Whenever you see this, let me know 17:07:25 <Samu> who was the hots guy? 17:07:34 <Samu> tyrande is good at what? 17:08:09 <Samu> can't kill, can't lane, can't run, can't heal, ... 17:08:57 <Samu> dies in 1 shot from nova, great hero... 17:09:17 <Samu> worst hero i played so far 17:10:36 <Samu> and i'm tyrande again... 17:10:42 <Samu> another loss coming 17:17:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:40 *** mescalito [~mescalito@195-183-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:21:48 <andythenorth> o/ 17:22:42 <frosch123> even more cats 17:22:50 <frosch123> at least 3 17:28:11 <Wolf01> o/ 17:28:23 <Wolf01> Just finished the Porsche, with some mods 17:29:10 <Wolf01> btw, got to go 17:31:32 <andythenorth> hmm 17:31:43 <andythenorth> reloading newgrfs 17:32:05 <andythenorth> allocate keys to each newgrf dev? 17:32:06 <andythenorth> hash them 17:32:14 <andythenorth> only enable it for known hashes? 17:32:27 <andythenorth> that raises the bar to someone who can at least find or generate a reverse hash table 17:32:44 <andythenorth> and if *your* newgrf developer key leaks publicly, you lose all rights ever 17:32:59 <andythenorth> thatâs a good engineering solution to social problem eh? 17:43:26 <frosch123> self-sign your newgrfs? :p 17:43:39 <frosch123> only reload newgrf if you have the private key for it? 17:44:31 <andythenorth> authenticate with a central server? 17:44:37 <andythenorth> â¬1 per reload? 17:44:40 <andythenorth> paid to a pool 17:44:47 <andythenorth> all newgrf developers are in the pool? 17:45:12 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:35 <frosch123> what is a newgrf developer? 17:45:48 <Alberth> andy :p 17:45:59 <frosch123> do you need to purchase a nml license? 17:46:27 <frosch123> hmm, we could just rename the "reloadnewgrfs" command to "andy" 17:48:15 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:15 <andythenorth> cat 17:48:24 <andythenorth> also V453000 17:50:33 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:33 <Samu> next year gpu codenames: vega, volta 17:55:59 <Samu> it's over for AMD 17:56:19 <Samu> some benchmarks show a more than 100% more performance than the best radeon 17:56:38 <andythenorth> this is about as on-topic as Lego :) 17:56:50 <andythenorth> the only thing new graphics cards do for OpenTTD is make it worse 17:56:54 <Alberth> lego is perhaps more on-topic :) 17:56:56 <glx> there's a topic ? 17:57:07 <andythenorth> OpenTTD graphic performance has progressively diminished over time 17:58:03 <Alberth> could be useful to consider what newgrf features could be dropped :p 17:58:18 <Alberth> or maybe, must be dropped 17:58:52 <andythenorth> 8 bit? 17:58:58 <andythenorth> palette animation 17:59:08 <andythenorth> UI zoom? 17:59:54 <Alberth> the kinds where newgrf decides which sprite to draw are worse, afaik 18:00:20 <Alberth> but that's basically all newgrf :( 18:02:34 <andythenorth> itâs the palette animation that kills my game :) 18:02:49 <andythenorth> if I enable it, I can literally see each frame on things like payment animation 18:03:24 <andythenorth> also having multiple viewports on the map (a train window for example) 18:04:45 <frosch123> we need a separation from the game logic and the drawing :) 18:04:56 <Alberth> palette animation is not a problem in a gpu 18:05:16 <andythenorth> GPUs got worse I think :) 18:05:21 <andythenorth> or OS X removed something 18:05:57 <Alberth> Apple knows what's best for you, as always :) 18:06:23 <Alberth> tbh, I have absolutely no idea what gpu I have at my system, it could be worse :) 18:13:15 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:26 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:54 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 18:31:10 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:05 <Samu> tyrande is really useless... 18:42:16 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:27 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:06 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:31 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 19:08:14 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:29 <Samu> how does trans waste £2M on ship running costs 19:09:38 <Samu> refit? 19:10:29 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:26 <Samu> ah no, my bad, ships are really costly 19:11:47 <Samu> trans is wasting money on ships that get lost, i forgot about that detail 19:19:46 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:33:15 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:32 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:47 *** NutNut [~oftc-webi@190.129.243.84] has joined #openttd 19:47:25 *** Ethereal_Whisper [~Tricia@65-101-29-7.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:25 *** NutNut_ [~oftc-webi@190.129.243.84] has joined #openttd 19:48:30 *** NutNut [~oftc-webi@190.129.243.84] has quit [] 20:02:13 *** NutNut_ [~oftc-webi@190.129.243.84] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:02:17 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:26 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> did anyone attempt yet to implement palette animation as a gpu shader? 20:15:23 <Alberth> I don't see any problem with that 20:16:23 <Alberth> make a few textures for the various states, and sample them in the shader 20:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not really a "problem", just something that you need to put some effort into to make it work 20:18:18 <Alberth> It's not even close to the real problem, as far as I can see. I'd consider that as something that can be added later 20:20:39 *** Alberth [~alberth@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:28:15 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:26 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how should ship sizes increase? linear steps, or exponentially, or what? 20:29:33 *** shirish [~quassel@117.215.27.77] has joined #openttd 20:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd try quadratic 20:30:00 <andythenorth> I often find there isnât a âright sizeâ ship at the small end 20:30:11 <andythenorth> and maybe too many choices at the higher end 20:30:34 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@454028b1.test.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:37 <andythenorth> thanks 20:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> linear sounds wrong 20:31:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and exponential tends to be too much 20:31:30 <andythenorth> @calc 810/360 20:31:30 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 2.25 20:31:46 <andythenorth> @calc 360/140 20:31:46 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 2.57142857143 20:31:59 <andythenorth> @calc 140/65 20:31:59 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 2.15384615385 20:32:47 <andythenorth> current Squid values donât work for my games 20:32:54 <andythenorth> not far off 20:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> if you go exponential, pick a factor smaller than 2, like 1.5 20:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> or sqrt(2) 20:38:31 *** shirish [~quassel@0001358e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> or alternate between 1.5 and 1.33 20:41:44 <andythenorth> that makes sense 20:41:49 <andythenorth> @calc 65 * 1.5 20:41:49 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 97.5 20:48:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@00013ce7.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> for comparison: factor sqrt(2) is how european paper sizes work, and alternating 1.5 and 1.33 is how american paper sizes (some of them) work 20:50:43 *** Tirili [~Tirili@HSI-KBW-082-212-031-109.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 20:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> in both cases, 2 steps are a factor of 2 20:53:01 <andythenorth> nice reference 21:07:05 *** Tirili [~Tirili@HSI-KBW-082-212-031-109.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:40 <andythenorth> @calc 1.41 * 65 21:16:40 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 91.65 21:16:49 <andythenorth> @calc 1.41 * 92 21:16:49 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 129.72 21:17:03 <andythenorth> @calc 1.41 * 130 21:17:03 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 183.3 21:17:12 <andythenorth> probably too closely spaced 21:18:16 *** shirish [~quassel@117.195.105.221] has joined #openttd 21:21:17 *** KouDy [~koudy@mahdalviktor.netbox.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:31 *** KouDy [~koudy@ip4-83-240-28-102.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #openttd 21:24:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc87201-aztw31-2-0-cust156.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:37:35 *** NoShlomo [~NoShlomo@90.74.151.136] has quit [Quit: NoShlomo] 21:50:25 *** Argensis [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has joined #openttd 21:52:59 <Samu> @calc 21:52:59 <DorpsGek> Samu: calc <math expression> 21:53:39 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@89.136.141.100] has quit [] 21:55:20 *** Macha [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:14 *** Wormnest [~Wormnest@s5596abd2.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:22 *** Argensis [~Macha@89.100.194.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:41 *** Gja [~Martin@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:32 *** Tirili [~Tirili@HSI-KBW-082-212-031-109.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #openttd 22:57:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:11 *** Tirili [~Tirili@HSI-KBW-082-212-031-109.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:01 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@210-84-52-219.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:36:36 *** Hiddenfunstuff [~Geth@y32.ip1.anvianet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:55 <Wolf01> 'night 23:38:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:40:45 *** Flygon [~Flygon@210-84-52-219.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:12 *** sim-al2 [~sim-al2@108-221-157-231.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd