Log for #openttd on 29th September 2016:
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09:15:01  <argoneus> >tfw windows 10 forced a full OS update on me
09:15:05  <argoneus> not cool
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09:19:04  <Wolf01> o/
09:26:44  <argoneus> hello Wolf01
09:26:52  <argoneus> >win10 forced anniversary update
09:26:54  <argoneus> ;_;
09:27:01  <Wolf01> Good, it's better now
09:27:25  <argoneus> is it
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09:42:55  <peter1138> yeah you get a nice lock screen for no reason
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09:51:57  <argoneus> great
09:52:02  <argoneus> I think it bricked my computer
09:52:04  <argoneus> the update is stuck
09:52:17  <argoneus> when is microsoft going to stop releasing broken shit
09:53:37  <Wolf01> Just wait
09:53:52  <argoneus> it's literally stuck
09:53:55  <argoneus> the wheel isn't even spinning
09:53:57  <argoneus> for the past hour
09:54:11  <argoneus> piece of shit
09:54:19  <Wolf01> A friend just updated, happened to him too
09:54:27  <Wolf01> Just wit
09:54:29  <Wolf01> wait
09:54:30  <argoneus> did the wheel stop spinning too
09:54:30  <argoneus> for him
09:54:33  <Wolf01> Yes
09:54:36  <argoneus> how long
09:54:41  <Wolf01> About an hour
09:54:44  <argoneus> christ
09:54:50  <argoneus> I'll give it some time then
10:05:53  <argoneus> I'm more leaning on the side of "it's stuck" though
10:10:43  <Wolf01> Show it some WD40
10:17:33  <argoneus> WD40?
10:18:07  <Wolf01>
10:19:55  <argoneus> been an hour now
10:20:11  <argoneus> stupid windows
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11:38:32  <Flygon> argoneus: Win10?
11:38:37  <Flygon> Yeah
11:38:38  <Flygon> Win10
11:46:18  <argoneus> yes Flygon
11:46:40  <Flygon> Yeah =/
11:46:47  <Flygon> I wonder how long this'll be a running theme >_>
11:46:58  <Flygon> I'm afraid they'll force 7/8.1 onto forced automatic updates myself
11:49:47  <argoneus> Flygon: you can disable them
11:49:51  <argoneus> but you need the professional editions
11:50:00  <argoneus> and it's well hidden
11:50:14  <Flygon> Didn't they strip that out for all but LTSB revisions with one of the updates?
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11:53:26  <Wolf01> argoneus, finished to update?
11:53:47  <Wolf01> Did you have external drives connected? Usually is that
11:54:40  <argoneus> Wolf01: I reformatted
11:54:44  <argoneus> and installed incl. the latest updates
11:54:46  <argoneus> now it works
11:54:46  <Wolf01> Lol
11:54:53  <argoneus> it was a 2 week old install
11:54:54  <argoneus> literally who cares
11:55:48  <Flygon> Everyone angered by the thought of Win10 existing? :P
11:55:51  <Flygon> srsly tho, I getcha
11:58:06  <Wolf01> I had more problems with ubuntu than with windows
12:05:29  <argoneus> okay cool
12:05:31  <argoneus> I reformatted
12:05:32  <argoneus> all works now
12:05:41  <argoneus> faster than trying to fix the update
12:06:53  <Wolf01> I would like to reformat too, but I think I'll wait to change again the motherboard
12:16:01  <Wolf01> Also I don't want to download again 9001GB of visual studio, emulators, plugins etc
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12:18:47  <argoneus> heh
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12:54:22  <peter1138> moo
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13:06:47  <argoneus> well
13:06:52  <argoneus> Wolf01: at least I can do this now
13:06:54  <argoneus>
13:07:51  <Wolf01> Yeah, I use it sometimes, for git
13:08:20  <Wolf01> GitForWindows is somewhat... broken
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13:20:31  <peter1138> ayy
13:21:41  <supermop> yo peter1138
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13:53:25  <Samu> hi
14:06:23  <Samu> i created an exe to try running it on my older system, but I'm getting an error. I can't launch it.
14:07:34  <Samu> i launch it, and windows error reporting pops up immediately
14:07:50  <Samu> i wasn't getting this problem on my main system
14:10:30  <Samu> i dont have access to my main rig now
14:12:29  <Samu> i wonder, does vs140 builds requires SSE2 processors?
14:12:38  <Samu> cus this one doesn't have it
14:17:39  <Samu> anyone here?
14:19:36  <Samu> does anyone have windows OS here?
14:20:06  <Wolf01> Nope, nobody
14:20:22  <Samu> really :)
14:20:54  <Samu> does it run for you?
14:20:59  <Samu> can you try it?
14:22:39  <Wolf01> If it does not run on older systems but in new ones it does, I can't test it as I don't have an older system
14:23:29  <Samu> but why?
14:24:02  <Samu> the .exes from can execute
14:24:23  <Samu> this one, made with visual studio, can't
14:24:40  <Wolf01> Does the older system run XP?
14:24:48  <Samu> this is windows 7
14:24:52  <Samu> 32 bit
14:25:00  <Wolf01> Did you compile for x64?
14:25:02  <Samu> cpu is Athlon XP 2700+
14:25:07  <Samu> no i compile for 32-bit
14:27:32  <Wolf01> Maybe it used some windows 10 libraries
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14:30:20  <Samu> what can i do now?
14:31:54  <Wolf01> I don't know, I usually don't care to make exes for other people as I only compile for myself
14:32:08  <Samu> how do i find out if an .exe require certain cpu instructions?
14:32:18  <Wolf01> And I usually run what I compiled on the same pc
14:32:21  <Samu> i suspect it's sse2
14:35:13  <Wolf01> Are you using VS2015?
14:37:29  <Wolf01> Do you still have VS2012/2013? VS2015 uses different "ottd-useful" which might not work on older systems, but I'm not sure, as Win7 is not so old
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14:39:26  <Wolf01> o/
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14:40:24  <Alberth> hi hi
14:40:51  <Samu> yes i use VS2015
14:41:10  <Samu> and used openttd_vs140.vcxproj
14:41:49  <Samu> about ottd-useful, i really dont know
14:43:45  <Samu> windows 7 isn't old, but the cpu is
14:44:10  <Samu> this is a .. 2003/2004 cpu I think
14:53:02  <Samu> oh, older actually
14:53:10  <Samu> Oct 2001
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16:38:53  <Wolf01> Uhm... I found a problem with UK railway set... On a coop game my friend was able to start trains without cabeese, I can't restart the same train if I send it to a depot
16:39:51  <Wolf01> But I don't think it's really a newgrf problem, I think it's more a missed check for the newgrf property in networking code
16:41:28  <Alberth> :O
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16:58:32  <Wolf01> o/
16:58:52  <andythenorth> Alberth supermop I am leaving work, resume the NCG game in a couple of hours?
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17:01:29  <Alberth> probably
17:04:10  <supermop> could work i have to run get something right now
17:04:28  <andythenorth> I will go home, put kids to bed etc
17:05:12  <Wolf01> At 7PM? Like "gtfo I want to play"?
17:05:25  <andythenorth> probably
17:05:27  <andythenorth> but that won’t work
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17:11:55  <Alberth> hi hi
17:12:46  <Alberth> hmm, ship stuck at a sandbank :p
17:14:03  <Alberth>
17:14:09  <Alberth> no idea why this happens
17:14:37  <Alberth> 100% loaded, and not jumping to the next order
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17:47:32  <Alberth> o/
17:47:38  <Wolf01> o/
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17:49:32  <andythenorth> o/
17:55:07  <andythenorth> is cat
18:01:09  <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: timetable?
18:01:51  <Alberth> good point, let me check
18:03:06  <Alberth> indeed
18:04:03  <Alberth>  why do we use time tables in a NCG game?  :p
18:04:27  <andythenorth> we do? :o
18:05:01  <Alberth>
18:05:32  <andythenorth> it waits? o_O
18:05:42  <Alberth> yep, 185 days
18:05:47  <andythenorth> so it does
18:05:51  <andythenorth> ask supermop what that’s about :)
18:05:56  <andythenorth> or is it autofill by mistake?
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18:06:10  <Wolf01> Somebody started the ship with CTRL?
18:06:47  <Wolf01> It's easy to keep the CTRL pressed for mistake, it's used for everything
18:06:50  <Eddi|zuHause> that's a feature?
18:06:58  <Eddi|zuHause> never heard about it
18:08:05  <Alberth> 'clear time' doesn't help either, but that looks like a bug in openttd
18:08:45  <Alberth> Wolf01: so how exactly does that work, just stop/start, or from a depot or .. ?
18:09:05  <Wolf01> I remember something related to delayed start
18:09:22  <Wolf01> But the timetable need to be filled first
18:11:18  <Wolf01> Ctrl click just scrolls to destination
18:11:21  <andythenorth> timetables :P
18:11:31  * andythenorth has a view 
18:11:34  <andythenorth> it’s not positive
18:11:57  <Eddi|zuHause> timetables are great, but need more macromanagement features
18:12:06  <Alberth> yeah, ctrl+click bar of the vehicle window doesn't work
18:12:36  <Alberth> not to mention being smarter about starting
18:12:56  <Alberth> useless that a vehicle must first go back to the first order
18:13:01  <Eddi|zuHause> mabe it's ctrl+click on the flag in the depot?
18:13:29  <Wolf01> Or maybe just timetabled for mistake
18:13:32  <Alberth> it knows the schedule, it can compute the time of the arrival at the first station it enters :p
18:13:39  <Wolf01> With full load orders
18:13:44  <Wolf01> And low production
18:14:08  <Wolf01> So when the production increased the ship had to wait too much win 100% load
18:14:13  <Wolf01> *with
18:14:15  <Alberth> no, ctrl+click  depot "go" button doesn't do time table either
18:14:37  <Eddi|zuHause> then it's probably not a feature :p
18:15:08  <Alberth> sabotage!  :p
18:16:22  <Wolf01> The timetable starts as soon as you open the timetable window, maybe it's always active but not effective if you don't open the timetable
18:16:51  <Wolf01> I just started some vehicles to see their behaviours
18:17:26  <Wolf01> One with just orders, one with autofill timetable, one with orders and only opened the timetable window to check details
18:17:32  <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's just a recording of the previous travel times
18:17:38  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not a "timetable"
18:17:43  <Eddi|zuHause> unless you autofill it
18:17:47  <Eddi|zuHause> or manually set it
18:18:10  <Wolf01> Maybe somebody clicked autofill for mistake, or it does even have a hotkey?
18:18:36  <Alberth> not afaik, perhaps you can add one yourself
18:18:42  <Wolf01> Chatting with some open windows and forgetting to press enter is a bad thing
18:19:53  <Wolf01> Btw, with shared orders all the times are shared as well with vehicles
18:20:08  <Wolf01> Even without autofill
18:20:10  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
18:20:20  <Eddi|zuHause> just the start time is different
18:20:43  <Eddi|zuHause> everything else is shared
18:25:22  <Wolf01> Then it's just a mistake
18:30:35  * andythenorth could rejoin the MP game in ~30 mins
18:30:38  <andythenorth> just doing chores
18:47:05  <supermop> Alberth: i timetabled all those ships
18:47:16  <Wolf01> You monster
18:47:33  <Alberth> but we want to window goal!
18:47:38  <Alberth> *win
18:47:56  <supermop> fishing grounds dont jump that high in production
18:48:23  <supermop> if you timetable the capacity off the ships to provide capacity about 120% of production works fine
18:49:10  <supermop> if thats the reefer off to the side with a full load order then i didn't finish timetabling that route
18:49:32  <supermop> but the ones that head far out to the north east should be fine
18:49:44  <andythenorth> shall we restart?
18:49:49  <andythenorth>
18:49:57  <Alberth> +1
18:50:02  <andythenorth> frosch123 ^ MP game o_O
18:50:08  <andythenorth> Wolf01 joining in?
18:50:17  <andythenorth> supermop ^
18:50:20  <Wolf01> Yeah, I'll give a try
18:50:28  <Alberth> \o/
18:50:44  <supermop> ok i wont be super active but ill do a bit
18:51:20  <supermop> 161 or nightly?
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22:50:06  <Wolf01> 'night
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