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00:06:40 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd 00:06:45 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 00:11:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 has quit IRC 00:31:40 *** markasoftware has joined #openttd 00:34:34 <markasoftware> hey everybody 00:34:40 <markasoftware> what are your favorite transport simulation games? 00:37:10 <supermop> not a lot of selection out there 00:37:57 <markasoftware> i like openttd 00:38:14 <markasoftware> that's probably my favorite 00:38:25 <supermop> probably most people in this channel would agree 00:38:26 <markasoftware> are there really any other ones at all? 00:38:38 <markasoftware> apart from original ttd 00:38:49 <markasoftware> i remember playing some "railroad tycoon 3" a long time ago 00:38:49 <supermop> think so but I haven't played them 00:39:16 <supermop> most of the people who play transport fever are not online at the moment 00:49:26 *** Noy has quit IRC 01:14:23 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 01:14:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 01:21:09 *** tokai has quit IRC 01:33:25 *** supermop__ has joined #openttd 01:39:12 *** supermop_ has quit IRC 02:07:10 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 02:20:19 *** Noy has joined #openttd 02:20:53 *** Striek has quit IRC 02:27:25 *** Noy has quit IRC 02:27:47 *** Noy has joined #openttd 02:28:51 <markasoftware> boop boop boop 02:43:20 *** Noy has quit IRC 02:43:40 *** Noy has joined #openttd 02:43:50 <supermop> ive mostly been just working, but also messing around making generative tiny buildings in rhino 02:44:03 <supermop> maybe there is a newgrf idea in there 03:08:04 *** Biolunar_ has joined #openttd 03:15:03 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 03:34:45 <Lejving> markasoftware, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=821959155 03:34:47 <Lejving> this looks promising 03:35:20 <markasoftware> damn, that looks cool 03:35:33 <markasoftware> looks similar to openttd in a lot of ways 03:36:05 <markasoftware> early access is very soon 03:36:08 <markasoftware> ill have to keep a watch on that 03:36:10 <markasoftware> thanks Lejving 03:36:17 <Lejving> np :) 03:37:20 <Lejving> it got serious potential if you ask me, guy is like almost chris sawyer #2 03:37:33 <Lejving> it's written entirely in c++ on his own engine 03:41:49 <markasoftware> i mean, it shows dedication that he wrote his own engine 03:41:52 <markasoftware> but why? 03:41:58 <markasoftware> this game could've fit very well into unity or ue4 03:42:08 <markasoftware> maybe he just finds it fun 03:42:18 *** glx has quit IRC 03:43:31 <Lejving> got a lot more potential for greatness with his own engine too though I guess 03:43:37 <Lejving> higher risk better reward 04:09:23 *** chomwitt has quit IRC 04:21:37 *** supermop has quit IRC 04:57:25 *** DDR has quit IRC 04:57:32 *** supermop has joined #openttd 05:23:17 *** markasoftware has quit IRC 05:38:10 *** sim-al2 is now known as Guest2092 05:38:11 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 05:39:54 *** supermop has quit IRC 05:44:14 *** Guest2092 has quit IRC 06:11:07 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 06:33:11 *** orudge` has quit IRC 06:33:18 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 06:33:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 06:55:40 *** DDR has joined #openttd 07:04:43 *** JezK_ has quit IRC 07:18:12 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 07:55:05 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 07:57:47 *** Noy has quit IRC 08:03:49 <peter1138> yeah but is it only trains? :( 08:09:46 <crem> I wish it also had submarines! There was no good submarine sim recently. Actually, the only decent sims don't run under modern oses. :( 08:10:17 <peter1138> dosbox 08:11:10 <crem> Nope, it's not for dos. It's for windows with 16-bit color mode. And windows starting from 8 doesn't support that. 08:12:17 *** efess has quit IRC 08:13:21 *** Sova has joined #openttd 08:23:00 <peter1138> virtualbox then 08:26:44 <crem> too much hassle 09:55:20 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 10:00:36 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 10:04:26 *** efess has joined #openttd 10:09:48 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 10:11:55 <Wolf01> Moin 10:15:09 <__ln__> 'qapla 10:46:22 <Wolf01> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/01/gitlab_data_loss/ <- good job 10:51:14 *** orudge` has quit IRC 10:51:44 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 10:51:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 11:10:55 <peter1138> good job git is decentralised 11:11:09 <peter1138> (of course this issue wasn't about the repos) 11:14:43 *** Sova has quit IRC 11:22:13 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 11:23:48 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 11:39:54 *** Arveen has joined #openttd 11:44:03 *** Sova has joined #openttd 12:11:44 *** _maddy has joined #openttd 12:13:56 <__ln__> Wolf01: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0hPGerSd4 12:27:34 *** aard has joined #openttd 12:55:39 *** matt11235 has joined #openttd 13:12:59 *** LadyHawk has joined #openttd 13:16:04 *** LadyHawk has quit IRC 13:52:59 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 14:15:02 *** Striek has joined #openttd 14:25:58 <Wolf01> Mmmh, minecraft command blocks are evil 14:40:36 <V453000> Do you even automate? 14:55:00 *** sim-al2 has quit IRC 14:55:11 <supermop__> no one makes a good looking case for surface book 14:56:44 <Wolf01> V453000, that's what I'm trying to do 14:58:00 <V453000> hardar 14:58:24 <Wolf01> Heh 14:58:46 <Wolf01> It's already a pita to make it do something when a test fail 15:07:23 *** ZirconiumX has joined #openttd 15:14:35 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 15:34:21 *** ZirconiumX has joined #openttd 15:34:23 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:35:31 *** Compu has quit IRC 15:42:45 *** Compu has joined #openttd 15:55:12 *** Sova has quit IRC 16:05:02 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 16:05:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 16:15:26 *** orudge` has quit IRC 16:15:45 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 16:15:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 16:41:23 *** Gja has joined #openttd 16:52:58 *** Biolunar_ has quit IRC 16:55:14 *** abarnett has quit IRC 16:55:33 *** abarnett has joined #openttd 16:55:40 <dihedral> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GCK53YDcBWQveod9kfzW-VCxIABGiryG7_z_6jHdVik/pub 16:55:47 <dihedral> was this yorick? 16:55:50 <dihedral> :-D 16:58:24 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 17:01:08 *** srhnsn has joined #openttd 17:02:39 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 17:24:24 *** orudge` has quit IRC 17:24:49 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 17:24:49 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 17:25:04 *** Maraxus has joined #openttd 17:30:24 <Alberth> :p 17:46:28 *** orudge` has quit IRC 17:46:52 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 17:46:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 18:01:20 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:01:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:06:24 <Lejving> I'm trying to load very old save files, and it gives me error sometimes... is there a mode or setting or anything that I can use to like load even with errors? 18:06:43 <Lejving> all info I need from the game is signs 18:07:48 *** Progman has joined #openttd 18:13:33 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 18:16:08 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:17:31 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 18:18:12 <Alberth> errors as in missing newgrf? 18:18:48 <Alberth> if so, find the newgrf :) 18:23:49 <Lejving> no errors as in game errors 18:25:52 <Lejving> http://i.imgur.com/rYg6nW4.jpg 18:26:14 <Lejving> bamboo-agent-home 18:26:15 <Lejving> dafuq 18:26:15 <Lejving> :D 18:27:34 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:28:49 <Alberth> o/ 18:29:01 <frosch123> hoin 18:29:21 <Lejving> sup frosch123 18:29:28 <Lejving> http://i.imgur.com/rYg6nW4.jpg what's up with this frosch123 18:29:39 <Lejving> I'm trying to load old save files 18:31:42 <glx> maybe too old and needing more than one conversion 18:32:43 <Lejving> well it uses some weird ass folder that I don't even ahve on my computer 18:32:49 <Lejving> so dunno wtf is up with that 18:32:50 <frosch123> Lejving: if you want an easy solution, try loading it with an intermediate old version of ottd first 18:33:12 <frosch123> when that loads, resave with different filename and climb up the versions 18:33:13 <glx> anyway error when loading some stuff in a pool, can be related to vehicles, industries, towns, ... 18:33:44 <V453000> oh ancient saves 18:34:14 <glx> you could check savegame version with the right debug level I think 18:34:59 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:36:22 <Lejving> guess this'll have to wait :) 18:41:02 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 18:41:08 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 18:44:04 <glx> just start openttd with -dsl1 before trying 18:44:40 <glx> and it should say "Loading savegame version xx" 18:48:08 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:49:07 <andythenorth> o/ 18:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.zeit.de/wissen/geschichte/2017-02/adolf-hitler-chancellor-appointment-anniversary 18:49:49 <supermop__> yo andy 18:51:29 <andythenorth> lo 18:52:37 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: if we’re playing pseudo-twitter here :) http://www.iq.harvard.edu/files/iqss-harvard/files/11-13presentation.pdf 18:53:16 <andythenorth> it’s probably on-topic even :P 18:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: this article is more about about how the conservative forces backed hitler's grab for power, not believing all the racist and whatever talks he gave, and expected to be able to control him once he was in power 18:56:42 <andythenorth> I read it :) 18:56:50 <andythenorth> the counter example is Mussolini 18:57:15 <andythenorth> over time, history will tell us which is the more incorrect analogy 18:57:18 <andythenorth> :) 18:57:50 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini#Dismissed_and_arrested 18:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> history tells lots of things, most of them untrue 18:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> or highly exaggerated 18:58:10 <andythenorth> my point was we won’t know until it’s history, but yes 18:59:28 <andythenorth> the default expectation is that extreme politicians are operating overton window 18:59:34 <andythenorth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window 18:59:46 <andythenorth> whereas Bannon (via Trump) has removed the window 19:00:04 <andythenorth> and is simply implementing the previously unthinkable 19:02:03 <andythenorth> hmm 19:02:12 <andythenorth> does looking at train photos resist fascism, or enable it? 19:02:13 <andythenorth> :P 19:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there exists an unhealthy dose of everything 19:03:35 <supermop__> andythenorth: idioms would suggest enable 19:04:00 <supermop__> presumably you need the train to be there at the expected time to photograph it 19:04:32 <andythenorth> fair point 19:04:39 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 19:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause> does fascism make trains more on time? 19:05:50 <supermop__> likely no but colloquially people, seem to think it does 19:07:16 <supermop__> so someone wanting to see train photos may subtly be nudged towards being more accepting of a paradigm in which 'common sense' feels like may produce more effiecient running of trains 19:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i visited a german train forum once, and it was filled with right-wing people 19:08:42 <andythenorth> subjectively, train fans are more likely to have voted Brexit :P 19:09:09 <berndj> what distance matters in determining cargo rates - manhattan, cartesian, or route distance? 19:09:10 <supermop__> andythenorth: sort of the basis of my thinking there 19:09:20 <supermop__> and here as well 19:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> manhattan distance between the station signs 19:09:43 <supermop__> i consider myself to be more of a fan of the tracks rather than the trains 19:09:50 <supermop__> for various reasons 19:09:53 <berndj> ah so that's why going diagonal is apparently so profitable? 19:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 19:10:25 <berndj> pity it uses up so much land! 19:11:40 <berndj> andythenorth: "defenestration"! 19:12:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 19:14:19 <Milek7_> in my country unregistered sim cards will stop working tommorow :( 19:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> berndj: defenestration is so 17th century... 19:15:38 <frosch123> were there ever unregistered sim cards here? 19:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Milek7_: all that will do is create a black market for registered-to-someone-else sim cards? 19:18:15 <berndj> ok i'm giving in to the craving, playing a little game 19:18:34 <Milek7_> probably yes 19:19:06 <berndj> Eddi|zuHause, here in south africa it's a totally open secret that you can just walk in and buy "pre-registered" cards 19:19:24 <Milek7_> or maybe imported from other ue country where registration is not required 19:19:51 *** Mucht has joined #openttd 19:19:53 <berndj> maybe not from the big-name stores, but from the spaza shop type cell phones / accessories / repairs shops 19:20:25 <Milek7_> s/ue/eu/g 19:26:11 <__ln__> 'unregistered' as in something you can buy anonymously without providing your name or other details? 19:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's what that means 19:27:16 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:29:25 <__ln__> i've had one or two of such over the years 19:30:17 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 19:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i've only ever had 2 sim cards, one my parents had to show their ID for, and one that my boss gave me (and runs on the company's name i presume) 19:32:45 *** supermop has joined #openttd 19:33:14 <frosch123> my second sim card expired yesterday or so 19:39:20 *** ZirconiumX has quit IRC 19:49:22 *** supermop has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** supermop has joined #openttd 20:18:26 *** Gja has quit IRC 20:19:42 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:19:48 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:26:38 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 20:27:17 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 20:27:25 *** supermop_ has joined #openttd 20:28:20 *** OsteHovel has joined #openttd 20:32:38 *** supermop__ has quit IRC 20:36:24 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 20:36:40 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 20:39:26 *** supermop has quit IRC 20:48:40 *** FLHerne_ has joined #openttd 20:48:40 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 21:14:13 *** Mucht has quit IRC 21:19:22 <supermop_> my sim card is for a state i no longer live in, so its hard to call my senators 21:26:17 *** tneo has quit IRC 21:26:25 *** tneo has joined #openttd 21:34:33 <Eddi|zuHause> how that? they filter for numbers with their own area code? 21:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that's easier in germany, because cell phones have special area codes not actually associated with an area 21:35:37 <supermop_> harder to convince them that you are actually their constituent and not just someone in a different state 21:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> obligatory reference https://xkcd.com/1129/ 21:37:09 <supermop_> although i guess my 'home' state senator is more of swing vote than my current state 21:37:44 <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: unfortunately my first three are for pre-2003 21:37:51 *** sim-al2 has joined #openttd 21:38:20 <supermop_> 2003-2008 was a different state than then or now 21:38:45 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_: what? a random comedic drawing does not accurately represent the whole world? 21:39:22 <supermop_> its a huge existential crisis! 21:39:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm shocked. SHOCKED. 21:39:35 <supermop_> how will i go on 21:40:24 <supermop_> also randall and i are of similar age, younger people will have a different pattern 21:40:42 <supermop_> even more shocking 21:50:32 *** Alberth has left #openttd 22:04:35 *** orudge` has quit IRC 22:05:13 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 22:05:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 22:05:34 *** srhnsn has quit IRC 22:10:40 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 22:19:02 *** Arveen has quit IRC 22:19:16 *** gelignite has quit IRC 22:20:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 22:22:34 *** aard has quit IRC 22:29:31 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:30:38 *** matt11235 has quit IRC 22:45:15 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:49:16 <supermop_> maybe there should be a base set lit as in late afternoon early evening instead of night or 10 am 22:49:27 <supermop_> everything looks good 4-6pm 22:51:42 <supermop_> golden hour base 22:52:31 *** orudge` has quit IRC 22:53:06 *** orudge` has joined #openttd 22:53:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o orudge` 22:54:51 <Wolf01> http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/conameche/Super/008_zpsmrlfxiex.jpg something odd here 23:10:30 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:12:04 *** FLHerne_ has quit IRC 23:17:43 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 23:17:59 *** Striek has quit IRC 23:33:28 *** JezK_ has joined #openttd 23:35:00 *** DDR has quit IRC 23:36:04 *** Striek has joined #openttd 23:44:21 *** supermop has joined #openttd 23:48:05 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 23:48:19 *** Striek has quit IRC 23:53:49 *** markasoftware has joined #openttd 23:54:18 <markasoftware> can trains be more profitable than planes?