Log for #openttd on 1st February 2017:
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00:34:34  <markasoftware> hey everybody
00:34:40  <markasoftware> what are your favorite transport simulation games?
00:37:10  <supermop> not a lot of selection out there
00:37:57  <markasoftware> i like openttd
00:38:14  <markasoftware> that's probably my favorite
00:38:25  <supermop> probably most people in this channel would agree
00:38:26  <markasoftware> are there really any other ones at all?
00:38:38  <markasoftware> apart from original ttd
00:38:49  <markasoftware> i remember playing some "railroad tycoon 3" a long time ago
00:38:49  <supermop> think so but I haven't played them
00:39:16  <supermop> most of the people who play transport fever are not online at the moment
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02:28:51  <markasoftware> boop boop boop
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02:43:50  <supermop> ive mostly been just working, but also messing around making generative tiny buildings in rhino
02:44:03  <supermop> maybe there is a newgrf idea in there
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03:34:45  <Lejving> markasoftware,
03:34:47  <Lejving> this looks promising
03:35:20  <markasoftware> damn, that looks cool
03:35:33  <markasoftware> looks similar to openttd in a lot of ways
03:36:05  <markasoftware> early access is very soon
03:36:08  <markasoftware> ill have to keep a watch on that
03:36:10  <markasoftware> thanks Lejving
03:36:17  <Lejving> np :)
03:37:20  <Lejving> it got serious potential if you ask me, guy is like almost chris sawyer #2
03:37:33  <Lejving> it's written entirely in c++ on his own engine
03:41:49  <markasoftware> i mean, it shows dedication that he wrote his own engine
03:41:52  <markasoftware> but why?
03:41:58  <markasoftware> this game could've fit very well into unity or ue4
03:42:08  <markasoftware> maybe he just finds it fun
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03:43:31  <Lejving> got a lot more potential for greatness with his own engine too though I guess
03:43:37  <Lejving> higher risk better reward
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08:03:49  <peter1138> yeah but is it only trains? :(
08:09:46  <crem> I wish it also had submarines! There was no good submarine sim recently.  Actually, the only decent sims don't run under modern oses. :(
08:10:17  <peter1138> dosbox
08:11:10  <crem> Nope, it's not for dos. It's for windows with 16-bit color mode.   And windows starting from 8 doesn't support that.
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08:23:00  <peter1138> virtualbox then
08:26:44  <crem> too much hassle
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10:11:55  <Wolf01> Moin
10:15:09  <__ln__> 'qapla
10:46:22  <Wolf01> <- good job
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11:10:55  <peter1138> good job git is decentralised
11:11:09  <peter1138> (of course this issue wasn't about the repos)
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14:25:58  <Wolf01> Mmmh, minecraft command blocks are evil
14:40:36  <V453000> Do you even automate?
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14:55:11  <supermop__> no one makes a good looking case for surface book
14:56:44  <Wolf01> V453000, that's what I'm trying to do
14:58:00  <V453000> hardar
14:58:24  <Wolf01> Heh
14:58:46  <Wolf01> It's already a pita to make it do something when a test fail
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16:55:40  <dihedral>
16:55:47  <dihedral> was this yorick?
16:55:50  <dihedral> :-D
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17:30:24  <Alberth> :p
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18:06:24  <Lejving> I'm trying to load very old save files, and it gives me error sometimes... is there a mode or setting or anything that I can use to like load even with errors?
18:06:43  <Lejving> all info I need from the game is signs
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18:18:12  <Alberth> errors as in missing newgrf?
18:18:48  <Alberth> if so, find the newgrf :)
18:23:49  <Lejving> no errors as in game errors
18:25:52  <Lejving>
18:26:14  <Lejving> bamboo-agent-home
18:26:15  <Lejving> dafuq
18:26:15  <Lejving> :D
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18:28:49  <Alberth> o/
18:29:01  <frosch123> hoin
18:29:21  <Lejving> sup frosch123
18:29:28  <Lejving> what's up with this frosch123
18:29:39  <Lejving> I'm trying to load old save files
18:31:42  <glx> maybe too old and needing more than one conversion
18:32:43  <Lejving> well it uses some weird ass folder that I don't even ahve on my computer
18:32:49  <Lejving> so dunno wtf is up with that
18:32:50  <frosch123> Lejving: if you want an easy solution, try loading it with an intermediate old version of ottd first
18:33:12  <frosch123> when that loads, resave with different filename and climb up the versions
18:33:13  <glx> anyway error when loading some stuff in a pool, can be related to vehicles, industries, towns, ...
18:33:44  <V453000> oh ancient saves
18:34:14  <glx> you could check savegame version with the right debug level I think
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18:36:22  <Lejving> guess this'll have to wait :)
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18:44:04  <glx> just start openttd with -dsl1 before trying
18:44:40  <glx> and it should say "Loading savegame version xx"
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18:49:07  <andythenorth> o/
18:49:47  <Eddi|zuHause>
18:49:49  <supermop__> yo andy
18:51:29  <andythenorth> lo
18:52:37  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: if we’re playing pseudo-twitter here :)
18:53:16  <andythenorth> it’s probably on-topic even :P
18:56:27  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: this article is more about about how the conservative forces backed hitler's grab for power, not believing all the racist and whatever talks he gave, and expected to be able to control him once he was in power
18:56:42  <andythenorth> I read it :)
18:56:50  <andythenorth> the counter example is Mussolini
18:57:15  <andythenorth> over time, history will tell us which is the more incorrect analogy
18:57:18  <andythenorth> :)
18:57:50  <andythenorth>
18:57:51  <Eddi|zuHause> history tells lots of things, most of them untrue
18:58:09  <Eddi|zuHause> or highly exaggerated
18:58:10  <andythenorth> my point was we won’t know until it’s history, but yes
18:59:28  <andythenorth> the default expectation is that extreme politicians are operating overton window
18:59:34  <andythenorth>
18:59:46  <andythenorth> whereas Bannon (via Trump) has removed the window
19:00:04  <andythenorth> and is simply implementing the previously unthinkable
19:02:03  <andythenorth> hmm
19:02:12  <andythenorth> does looking at train photos resist fascism, or enable it?
19:02:13  <andythenorth>  :P
19:03:09  <Eddi|zuHause> there exists an unhealthy dose of everything
19:03:35  <supermop__> andythenorth: idioms would suggest enable
19:04:00  <supermop__> presumably you need the train to be there at the expected time to photograph it
19:04:32  <andythenorth> fair point
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19:05:01  <Eddi|zuHause> does fascism make trains more on time?
19:05:50  <supermop__> likely no but colloquially people, seem to think it does
19:07:16  <supermop__> so someone wanting to see train photos may subtly be nudged towards being more accepting of a paradigm in which 'common sense' feels like may produce more effiecient running of trains
19:07:57  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i visited a german train forum once, and it was filled with right-wing people
19:08:42  <andythenorth> subjectively, train fans are more likely to have voted Brexit :P
19:09:09  <berndj> what distance matters in determining cargo rates - manhattan, cartesian, or route distance?
19:09:10  <supermop__> andythenorth: sort of the basis of my thinking there
19:09:20  <supermop__> and here as well
19:09:28  <Eddi|zuHause> manhattan distance between the station signs
19:09:43  <supermop__> i consider myself to be more of a fan of the tracks rather than the trains
19:09:50  <supermop__> for various reasons
19:09:53  <berndj> ah so that's why going diagonal is apparently so profitable?
19:10:07  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
19:10:25  <berndj> pity it uses up so much land!
19:11:40  <berndj> andythenorth: "defenestration"!
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19:14:19  <Milek7_> in my country unregistered sim cards will stop working tommorow :(
19:15:06  <Eddi|zuHause> berndj: defenestration is so 17th century...
19:15:38  <frosch123> were there ever unregistered sim cards here?
19:16:55  <Eddi|zuHause> Milek7_: all that will do is create a black market for registered-to-someone-else sim cards?
19:18:15  <berndj> ok i'm giving in to the craving, playing a little game
19:18:34  <Milek7_> probably yes
19:19:06  <berndj> Eddi|zuHause, here in south africa it's a totally open secret that you can just walk in and buy "pre-registered" cards
19:19:24  <Milek7_> or maybe imported from other ue country where registration is not required
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19:19:53  <berndj> maybe not from the big-name stores, but from the spaza shop type cell phones / accessories / repairs shops
19:20:25  <Milek7_> s/ue/eu/g
19:26:11  <__ln__> 'unregistered' as in something you can buy anonymously without providing your name or other details?
19:26:32  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's what that means
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19:29:25  <__ln__> i've had one or two of such over the years
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19:31:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i've only ever had 2 sim cards, one my parents had to show their ID for, and one that my boss gave me (and runs on the company's name i presume)
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19:33:14  <frosch123> my second sim card expired yesterday or so
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21:19:22  <supermop_> my sim card is for a state i no longer live in, so its hard to call my senators
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21:34:33  <Eddi|zuHause> how that? they filter for numbers with their own area code?
21:35:09  <Eddi|zuHause> that's easier in germany, because cell phones have special area codes not actually associated with an area
21:35:37  <supermop_> harder to convince them that you are actually their constituent and not just someone in a different state
21:36:44  <Eddi|zuHause> obligatory reference
21:37:09  <supermop_> although i guess my 'home' state senator is more of swing vote than my current state
21:37:44  <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: unfortunately my first three are for pre-2003
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21:38:20  <supermop_> 2003-2008 was a different state than then or now
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21:39:07  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_: what? a random comedic drawing does not accurately represent the whole world?
21:39:22  <supermop_> its a huge existential crisis!
21:39:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm shocked. SHOCKED.
21:39:35  <supermop_> how will i go on
21:40:24  <supermop_> also randall and i are of similar age, younger people will have a different pattern
21:40:42  <supermop_> even more shocking
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22:49:16  <supermop_> maybe there should be a base set lit as in late afternoon early evening instead of night or 10 am
22:49:27  <supermop_> everything looks good 4-6pm
22:51:42  <supermop_> golden hour base
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22:54:51  <Wolf01> something odd here
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23:54:18  <markasoftware> can trains be more profitable than planes?

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