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00:08:20 *** ToBeFree has quit IRC 00:22:45 *** glx_ has joined #openttd 00:22:45 *** glx is now known as Guest649 00:22:45 *** glx_ is now known as glx 00:28:01 *** FLHerne has quit IRC 00:29:11 *** Guest649 has quit IRC 03:16:20 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 03:27:18 *** glx has quit IRC 03:57:25 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:38:27 *** Coobies has quit IRC 04:55:54 *** Compu has quit IRC 04:56:01 *** Xaroth has quit IRC 04:56:16 *** Compu has joined #openttd 05:20:54 *** Compu has quit IRC 05:54:20 *** Compu has joined #openttd 06:44:14 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 07:10:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:24:17 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:31:17 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:36:05 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 07:51:17 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 08:56:41 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 09:31:09 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 10:33:46 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:33:51 <andythenorth> is ferries http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8912/is_also_ferry.png 10:33:58 <andythenorth> just rough to get the idea 10:34:02 <andythenorth> not good yet 10:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> how "micro" is it allowed to get? http://www.fähren-wettin-löbejün.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/LR_2_Wettin-43.jpg 11:01:25 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:02:04 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 11:03:56 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that length is fine, but the height means there's not much to look at :P 11:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sorry if reality is too boring for you :p 11:05:21 <andythenorth> reality contains many forms :P 11:05:22 <andythenorth> bbl 11:05:23 *** andythenorth has left #openttd 11:21:21 *** goodger has quit IRC 11:21:40 *** goodger has joined #openttd 11:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... "selective reality"... that seems to be "hip" these days anyway 12:01:37 *** roidal has joined #openttd 12:19:56 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 12:22:08 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 12:22:10 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 12:40:53 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 12:45:07 *** Mazur has quit IRC 12:45:31 *** FLHerne has joined #openttd 13:10:21 *** peter1138 has quit IRC 13:15:20 *** tokai|noir has joined #openttd 13:15:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai|noir 13:18:20 *** peter1138 has joined #openttd 13:22:31 *** tokai has quit IRC 13:32:13 *** Flygon has quit IRC 14:45:01 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 14:45:37 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 15:24:20 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 15:25:33 *** Gja has joined #openttd 15:29:39 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:29:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:39:22 <supermop_work> yo 15:40:15 <andythenorth> lo 15:51:13 <Sacro> \o/ 15:52:26 <Alberth> o/ 15:54:33 * andythenorth always refactoring 15:54:37 <andythenorth> then I refactor the refactor 15:55:24 <andythenorth> healthy, or futile? :P 16:02:45 <Alberth> I am mostly already happy when the refactor itself works out :) 16:03:00 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 16:03:21 <Alberth> but sure if you do the same kind of refactor all the time, you may want to speed up that process 16:03:41 <Alberth> on the other hand, it's often simpler not to create that mess :) 16:05:36 <andythenorth> mostly I delete old assumptions 16:05:41 <andythenorth> and replace one kind of complexity with another 16:05:42 <andythenorth> :P 16:06:03 <Alberth> the latter is normal, you pay the price somewhere :) 16:09:22 <andythenorth> it would be fine, except I try to maintain parity across 3 newgrf compiles also :P 16:09:31 <andythenorth> but trains != ships :P 16:09:37 <Sacro> orly? 16:09:43 <Sacro> That explains why canals are there... 16:10:01 <andythenorth> $someone should make ship consists 16:10:15 <andythenorth> with arbitrary 'wagons', ie. barges 16:10:21 <andythenorth> then ships ~= trains 16:10:28 <andythenorth> and my newgrf compile will be tidy 16:10:56 <Sacro> And then the same with aircraft? 16:11:09 <Sacro> But only on Christmas Eve 16:11:15 <andythenorth> hmm 16:11:19 <andythenorth> arbitrary zellepins 16:11:51 <andythenorth> oh the zellepin joke has gone too far 16:11:57 <andythenorth> I just searched for 'zellepin tug and barge' 16:12:09 <andythenorth> google doesn't know about zellepins :( 16:12:25 <Sacro> Not sure I do either tbh 16:12:35 <Sacro> lead zellepins? 16:12:52 *** Mazur has joined #openttd 16:13:04 <andythenorth> it was a pikka joke 16:13:20 *** Mazur has quit IRC 16:14:52 *** Cubey has joined #openttd 16:14:54 <andythenorth> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenkbarer_Luftzug 16:14:58 <andythenorth> zeppelin train 16:15:30 <Alberth> zellepin trains! 16:16:39 <Alberth> ex-military, looking for a new hobby at 52 years :p 16:18:50 *** Gja has quit IRC 16:21:58 <andythenorth> model zellepin train http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C45MB4/model-of-the-steerable-air-cruising-train-of-graf-von-zeppelin-1895-C45MB4.jpg 16:28:08 <Alberth> ha, might work :) 16:28:45 *** supermop has joined #openttd 16:28:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 16:29:25 *** Mazur has joined #openttd 16:36:48 *** supermop has quit IRC 16:43:36 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 16:49:45 *** TheMask96 has quit IRC 16:51:10 *** TheMask96 has joined #openttd 16:59:14 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 17:16:58 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 17:27:33 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:36:21 *** Gja has joined #openttd 17:58:19 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:00:44 *** glx has joined #openttd 18:00:45 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 18:06:12 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 18:07:37 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 18:08:23 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 18:10:44 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:23:38 *** roidal has quit IRC 18:23:48 *** roidal has joined #openttd 18:26:23 *** keoz has joined #openttd 18:28:52 *** supermop has joined #openttd 18:32:20 *** Thedarkb has quit IRC 18:37:56 *** supermop has quit IRC 18:44:54 *** Thedarkb has joined #openttd 18:46:57 <andythenorth> such http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/8912/is_also_ferry.png 18:47:12 <andythenorth> not very good yet 18:49:18 <supermop_work_> does mail ship really need a crane? 18:49:48 <andythenorth> does Postman Pat really need a helicopter? o_O 18:50:23 <andythenorth> https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/8/87790/2988443-box_ppsds.png 18:50:52 <andythenorth> I think I just like the cranes :P 18:53:09 *** synchris has joined #openttd 19:06:28 <supermop_work_> is there a cb for cargo age? 19:15:49 <supermop_work_> to choose how many pixels are fire-orange in a load of slag 19:18:34 <andythenorth> days in transit maybe? 19:18:38 <andythenorth> time since last station? 19:18:41 <andythenorth> there will be something 19:19:08 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 19:20:49 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 19:24:36 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 19:26:23 <supermop_work> hi frosch123 19:28:05 <frosch123> moi 19:29:57 *** synchris has quit IRC 19:32:44 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 19:34:28 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 19:46:12 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 19:50:31 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 19:53:15 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 19:55:02 *** Biolunar has joined #openttd 19:57:18 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 19:57:31 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 20:08:15 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 20:16:42 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 20:17:52 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 20:20:16 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 20:21:36 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 20:28:58 *** supermop has joined #openttd 20:28:58 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 20:30:35 *** Stimrol has joined #openttd 20:36:42 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:37:03 *** supermop has quit IRC 20:38:25 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 20:46:46 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 20:51:37 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 20:54:38 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 20:58:16 <nielsm> here's a win32 build with all my music experiments: http://0x0.st/sa_x.rar 20:58:40 <nielsm> if you want to try it with music from the DOS version, find GM.CAT and put it in the baseset folder 20:59:18 <andythenorth> such ferry http://c8.alamy.com/comp/KW684N/small-ferry-in-the-city-of-kristiansund-in-western-norway-KW684N.jpg 20:59:39 <nielsm> I've also made an .obm file for the TTO+World Editor music set, that file should be renamed GM-TTOWE.CAT 21:00:17 <nielsm> and there are two bonus console commands: "dumpsmf filename.mid" to write a standard midi file from whatever is playing 21:00:43 <nielsm> and "glitchmusic param1 param2" to use wrong parameters for the DOS music decoding and cause it to glitch :) 21:01:25 <nielsm> all of the DOS music stuff only works with the "win32" music driver, not dmusic 21:01:55 <andythenorth> chibi http://www.the-stenzels.com/photo/2007/ac/jun_4_morning_ferry_to_helsingborg_sweden/data/images1/20070604.0026.0.small_ferry_leaving_helsingor,_denmark.jpg 21:05:41 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 21:20:08 <nielsm> and a complete patch set from r27980: http://0x0.st/saLN.patch 21:20:37 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:20:38 <nielsm> (I'm quite sure it can't be accepted in this form, there's too many things that need cleanup in the new music code) 21:20:46 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 21:20:53 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 21:21:10 *** Gja has quit IRC 21:32:36 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 21:32:51 *** roidal has quit IRC 21:36:26 *** supermop has joined #openttd 21:38:58 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd 21:39:46 <supermop> yo 21:39:53 <supermop> home early 21:44:57 * andythenorth bed early 21:45:24 <supermop> what's the use of "most_common_refit " 21:46:18 <andythenorth> sounds like trains 21:47:41 * andythenorth looks in ml 21:47:43 <andythenorth> nml 21:47:44 <supermop> y tho 21:47:56 <andythenorth> no idea, I'm looking if it's var F2 https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles 21:48:03 <andythenorth> var F2 makes zero sense to me 21:48:10 * supermop should listen to more nick cave 21:48:13 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 21:48:14 <supermop> underrated 21:48:26 <andythenorth> I assumed it was https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles#Consist_cargo_.2842.29 21:48:58 <supermop> can't figure out a good way to make slag less glowy with age 21:49:54 <andythenorth> most_common_refit is var 42 21:50:34 <supermop> but why would you want to change a vehicle based on what it carries most often? and is it like a rolling average? 21:51:13 <andythenorth> nah it's just bad wording 21:51:37 <supermop> http://fractum.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/empty-slag-pot-1.jpg 21:51:53 <andythenorth> var 42 is the most common cargo type in the consist 21:52:05 <supermop> ah 21:52:11 <supermop> ok i can see a use for that 21:52:27 <andythenorth> I can't but eh 21:52:33 <andythenorth> I probably have used it somewhere 21:52:37 <supermop> mail wagons 21:52:47 <supermop> red if all wagons in train are mail 21:52:54 <andythenorth> fair point 21:52:58 <andythenorth> magical 21:53:00 <supermop> BR blue if there's just one in a pax rake 21:53:10 <andythenorth> I should do that in Horse :P 21:53:15 <supermop> blue or whatever in mixed freight 21:53:41 <supermop> mop generic train vehicles 21:53:44 <andythenorth> let's look in 80+ vars 21:54:34 <andythenorth> http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html#_VehicleArray 21:54:41 <andythenorth> allegedly 3F 21:54:57 <andythenorth> although I've been told sometimes these 80+ docs are smoking crack :) 21:56:28 <andythenorth> I am not going to figure out how to read that in nml tonight :P 21:56:50 <supermop> whats this for then? 21:56:58 <andythenorth> 3F B Cargo transit time, in +185 ticks (~2.5 days) units 21:57:04 <supermop> nice 21:57:58 <andythenorth> these are vars that are readable, but don't have 'proper' nfo support nor nml identiifers 21:58:19 <andythenorth> also bed 21:58:22 <supermop> later 21:59:19 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:05:13 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 22:29:33 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 22:32:19 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 22:37:41 *** Stimrol has quit IRC 22:38:24 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:39:35 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:40:22 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 22:41:48 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 22:52:51 *** keoz has quit IRC 22:53:30 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 22:55:56 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 23:00:16 *** Wacko1976 has quit IRC 23:02:16 *** Biolunar has quit IRC 23:17:35 *** glx has quit IRC 23:33:35 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 23:35:32 *** glx has joined #openttd 23:35:32 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 23:37:47 *** glx is now known as Guest722 23:37:48 *** glx has joined #openttd 23:37:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 23:39:04 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 23:39:32 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 23:40:53 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 23:43:51 *** Guest722 has quit IRC 23:54:46 *** Wacko1976 has joined #openttd