Log for #openttd on 16th June 2018:
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00:28:20  <ANIKHTOS> good night all
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00:50:27  <JamesTKirk_Drunk> What's the Reddit OpenTTD?
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06:13:57  <Alberth> hi hi
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07:13:53  <andythenorth> o/
07:17:36  <peter1138> \o
07:17:40  <peter1138> o7
07:24:01  <andythenorth> is it breakfast time?
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07:56:13  <Alberth> if breakfast is around 12, not yet
07:57:40  <andythenorth> I tested it
07:57:44  <andythenorth> it was breakfast time
08:15:17  <Alberth> good :)
08:17:25  <Alberth> no idea who is maintaining nml nowadays, but I pushed a fix for
08:18:00  <Alberth> python crashed on "{:r}".format("text") , changed to "{!r}".format("text")
08:19:39  <andythenorth> nml needs moved to github I think
08:19:41  <andythenorth> but eh
08:19:53  <andythenorth> I don't know who the maintainer is either :)
08:20:15  <andythenorth> let's see
08:21:23  <andythenorth> seems there isn't one
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08:26:30  <Alberth> not many with nothing else to do, at least
08:28:00  <Alberth> Interestingly, there is now also reprlib, a separate implementation of 'repr' with some additional extensions like omitting long parts
08:29:25  <andythenorth> the devzone issues suggest nml could use a tidy and maybe a release
08:29:52  <Alberth> new release would be spiffy, 4.4 was in 2016
08:30:09  <Alberth> by our planet builder
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08:31:25  <Alberth> bbl
08:31:25  <andythenorth> I wonder how we distribute it
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08:31:27  <andythenorth> ok
08:31:40  <andythenorth> oh it's on pypi
08:32:55  <andythenorth>
08:33:37  <andythenorth> so 0.4.2 is the last release, pypi is at 0.2.4
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08:40:02  <andythenorth> nice train
08:49:43  <LordAro> andythenorth: seems like someone forgot about pypi
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08:50:07  <andythenorth> often the way
08:50:22  <andythenorth> all of OpenTTD has the usual amount of good intentions :)
08:50:29  <andythenorth> information all over the place, often outdated
08:53:24  <TrueBrain> often not even done by a dev :P
08:57:49  <__ln__> TrueBrain: what is the expected response time of a translations manager?
08:58:58  <TrueBrain> 2 minutes after you receive a response
08:59:39  <__ln__> incompatible types
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09:55:56  <Wolf01> o/
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10:24:33  <Wolf01> Quak
10:24:40  <Wolf01> Oh, simutrans updating, nice
10:24:55  <Wolf01> I should play it sometimes
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10:26:11  <Wolf01> I scared him
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12:08:56  <Amis> Hello! Does anyone have the good old 32bpp GRVTS every link to it is dead.
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13:38:15  <ANIKHTOS> hello all
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14:00:59  <supermop> yo
14:08:34  <ANIKHTOS> have all a nice day
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14:10:32  <nielsm> I've been enjoying a bit of woodworking for a change
14:11:44  <nielsm> by the way ANIKHTOS, "have a nice day" is usually said when you leave (wishing the other part well), the greeting counterpart is "how are you doing?"
14:12:01  <nielsm> (or "how do you do?")
14:13:22  <ANIKHTOS> okey do not shot me
14:13:29  <ANIKHTOS> hwo do you do??
14:14:17  <ANIKHTOS> okey 1 qyestion does anyoen knows the store valued from the ini files how they they game calls them ??
14:14:44  <nielsm> game settings/configuration?`
14:14:56  <ANIKHTOS> yes this values
14:15:09  <ANIKHTOS> lets talk about the value of sevising a train which is 150 days
14:15:18  <ANIKHTOS> it is named  servint+trains
14:15:43  <nielsm> in src/table/ there's a bunch of *.ini files that declare the settings that can be loaded/saved to the configuration
14:15:46  <ANIKHTOS> servint_trains and it is in the settings.ini file and also in the openttd.cfg
14:16:12  <ANIKHTOS> now when we start a game how the game load this value from the file??
14:16:39  <nielsm> those ini files are (automatically, during "make") used to generate some code files that the C++ compiler then includes in the openttd program proper
14:16:41  <ANIKHTOS> when i just type servint_trains i get it was not declared in this scope
14:17:29  <nielsm> the configuration loader component of openttd uses those compiled data to read the value from openttd.cfg into a specific (global) variable in the process
14:17:46  <nielsm> and when the game exits, the value of that global variable is stored back to the cfg file
14:17:59  <nielsm> that all happens automatically
14:18:19  <ANIKHTOS> but when i write a code how i call them??
14:18:26  <ANIKHTOS> with naem seems nto to work
14:18:43  <ANIKHTOS> i call it by name and i got 0
14:19:18  <LANJesus> nielsm: i prefer "what's up" "how goes it" "greetings" "salutations" "hello"
14:19:31  <nielsm> this seems to be how servint_trains is declared in settings.ini:
14:19:38  <ANIKHTOS> what up what soon will be down blame the gravity lol
14:19:41  <ANIKHTOS> hello lan user
14:19:45  <nielsm> the part I selected is the variable it gets stored into
14:20:33  <nielsm> oh wait, there's also one in company_settings.ini
14:20:44  <nielsm> which is probably the actual valid one
14:20:46  <ANIKHTOS> thats an old value
14:20:53  <nielsm> since the first one is prefixed with _old
14:20:56  <ANIKHTOS> there msut be a new one
14:30:23  <ANIKHTOS> so nielsm the game reads the values form the ini file or form the cfg file??
14:30:55  <nielsm> from the cfg file
14:31:29  <nielsm> the ini files in src/table/ are used during compilation to generate the code that will read and write the cfg file
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14:32:54  <ANIKHTOS> servint_trains = 150
14:33:06  <ANIKHTOS> so the name fo the variable is servint-trains
14:33:24  <ANIKHTOS> but why i have problems call it when i write code??
14:33:34  <nielsm> show us the code
14:35:09  <ANIKHTOS> servint_trains/= 2
14:35:26  <ANIKHTOS> thsi line did not work variable nto declared
14:35:40  <ANIKHTOS> then i made another  varible
14:35:53  <ANIKHTOS> firs a=servint+trains
14:35:58  <ANIKHTOS> then a=a/2
14:36:03  <ANIKHTOS> which return a 0
14:36:15  <LordAro> please try harder to type accurately
14:36:20  <LordAro> especially when you're talking about code
14:36:25  <LordAro> otherwise it's just meaningless noise
14:36:58  <Eddi|zuHause> ANIKHTOS: each train has a different service interval, the setting won't help you
14:37:36  <nielsm>  <- that's the variable that controls the default service interval for trains from a client
14:37:51  <nielsm> but yeah it's probably not what you want regardless
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14:38:47  <ANIKHTOS> well with my patch the trains and vehicles where doign servise with slow days
14:38:54  <ANIKHTOS> which was way apart
14:39:16  <ANIKHTOS> so i wanted to make them go servise in rnomal day so i thought changing this values will do the trick
14:39:25  <ANIKHTOS> but i could not change it
14:42:47  <nielsm> you should probably look at the Vehicle::NeedsServicing() and Vehicle::NeedsAutomaticServicing() functions
14:43:03  <ANIKHTOS> well in the end i manipulate the vlaue there
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14:44:56  <ANIKHTOS> but can you maipulate a value form the cfg file?/ to be somethign else ??? or you need to overide the value in the cfq file??
14:45:53  <nielsm> the value from the cfg file is completely meaningless here
14:46:03  <nielsm> because the actual service interval for each vehicle is stored on each vehicle
14:46:10  <nielsm> you can have two trains with different service intervals
14:46:30  <nielsm> (and it has been like that since transport tycoon original in 1994)
14:46:49  <ANIKHTOS> i never knew that was possilbe
14:46:58  <ANIKHTOS> i thought it was global settign
14:48:24  <ANIKHTOS> how can i change the inerval while playign the game to a different value only for 1 train??
14:49:10  <nielsm>
14:49:52  <ANIKHTOS> i aply thsi gae from 1994 and i never noticed this one :-(
14:49:58  <ANIKHTOS> i play
14:50:15  <nielsm> and if you read the Vehicle::NeedsServicing() function you'll see it calls another function called GetServiceInterval(), also on the Vehicle class
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14:52:15  <ANIKHTOS> yes i have seen it
14:52:45  <ANIKHTOS> (this->date_of_last_service + (this->GetServiceInterval() i change this
14:52:55  <ANIKHTOS> (to (this->date_of_last_service + (this->GetServiceInterval()/2)
14:52:58  <ANIKHTOS> and it worked
14:55:15  <nielsm> also consider what would have happened if you were dividing the global service interval setting by 2
14:55:18  <nielsm> and then doing it again
14:55:20  <nielsm> and again
14:55:32  <nielsm> eventually you'd have reduced it to 0
14:56:50  <ANIKHTOS> well i intercept the varibale when it was first declared in the files
14:56:54  <ANIKHTOS> and divided it ther
14:57:02  <ANIKHTOS> so i do nto thing i divide it over and over and over
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15:00:04  <ANIKHTOS> in settings_type.h line 526 is where the variable serviint_trains is declared and given its type
15:00:45  <ANIKHTOS> i add a new parameter servint_trains2= servint_trains/2'
15:01:05  <ANIKHTOS> then change all files to link to servint_trains2
15:01:07  <ANIKHTOS> and i got a 0
15:02:55  <nielsm> sounds like a really bad solution regardless
15:04:13  <ANIKHTOS> well it did nto work
15:04:18  <Alberth> obviously, servint_trains changes when you start a new game or when you load one
15:04:19  <ANIKHTOS> by why i got a zero??
15:04:36  <Alberth> when do you assign the value?
15:06:11  <ANIKHTOS> if in the smae file i cjsut type servint_trains=servint-trains/2 the value still remains 150 i tried it with new game and old game but not worked
15:06:26  <ANIKHTOS> in old game i make a new train to see if the value will be different
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15:10:19  <ANIKHTOS> i want to  make a gui in the seetign so peopel can choose the slow factor  how easy will be to make this??
15:13:57  <nielsm> pretty easy
15:14:45  <nielsm>
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15:21:57  <nielsm> hmm this seems to be wrong on that wiki page?  guiflags: "SGF_0ISDISABLED - The feature is disabled (greyed out)"
15:22:26  <ANIKHTOS> thank you nielsm my patch code will be mor efun knwo when peopel can choose the factor
15:22:26  <nielsm> isn't it that a numeric value of 0 should display as "disabled" but everything above as the numeric value?
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15:24:59  <Alberth> it's a wiki, and nothing official, so it can say anything
15:25:11  <Alberth> I am surprised it even mentions .ini files :)
15:26:52  <ANIKHTOS> okey where do you think i wil make the entry for the slow factor??
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15:27:39  <ANIKHTOS> DifficultySettings???
15:27:51  <nielsm> in the GUI I'd present it under Environment
15:28:39  <nielsm> also consider if you want the user to be able to change it during play, I don't know but it might break things if you make that possible
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15:29:28  <ANIKHTOS> it will not break things
15:29:37  <ANIKHTOS> but would it make sense to change ti during game
15:29:47  <ANIKHTOS> ahvign game goign faster or slwoer??
15:30:00  <ANIKHTOS> having game goign faster or slower??\
15:31:16  <Alberth> of course it will break things, you'll get desyncs
15:32:43  <ANIKHTOS> in networks games yea
15:32:48  <ANIKHTOS> but now in single games
15:33:24  <ANIKHTOS> for testign purposes i think for now i shoudl allow to change in game and later on disaple it
15:33:31  <ANIKHTOS> disable it
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15:59:47  <ANIKHTOS> okey what range of values i allow the user??
15:59:56  <ANIKHTOS> 1 to ??? 24?? or hightter??
16:05:46  <snail_UES_> Anikhtos: how can I test your patch? can I just download the latest trunk source, replace those two CPP files, and compile?
16:06:31  <ANIKHTOS> well you can get the 2 altered file and compile them
16:07:12  <ANIKHTOS> or i put some binaries in binaries in the forum but my compiler doe snto support livlza so you will not be albe to load save game so if you can compile compile
16:07:38  <ANIKHTOS> which make my testign a bit hard since i can nto load a savegame and see if everythign still work the same
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16:09:40  <ANIKHTOS> if you can test it and give feed back if somethign looks broken in the mechanics
16:10:10  <ANIKHTOS> cargo payment, industry production this things
16:17:56  <Eddi|zuHause> <ANIKHTOS> okey what range of values i allow the user?? <-- i've seen people use crazy high values with the other daylength patches
16:18:25  <ANIKHTOS> more than 24?? i year will be 24 normal years??
16:19:05  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, a lot more than that
16:19:35  <nielsm> 365 would be an appropriate maximum perhaps
16:19:39  <nielsm> so 1 day = 1 year
16:20:27  <ANIKHTOS> thats really crazy value
16:22:03  <nielsm> because ottd is known for being a game where nobody does crazy things
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16:22:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen people that set 1tick=1second on the 24h clock and then wanted 1 24h cycle equal one ingame day
16:23:22  <peter1138> o_O
16:23:37  <nielsm> that's nearly half realtime?
16:23:48  <Eddi|zuHause> na, 1:33
16:24:39  <Eddi|zuHause> actually, it might have been 1tick=1minute
16:24:59  <Eddi|zuHause> but that's still like a daylength of 7000
16:25:51  <ANIKHTOS> okey i put max value of 365 for now
16:26:00  <ANIKHTOS> well it is easy to change the value
16:26:20  <ANIKHTOS> and i was thinking 24 to be a big value
16:27:07  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, lots of people fell into traps of "i thought X was a large value, until i met <power user>"
16:27:26  <peter1138> 16 railtypes? Whoever would need more?!
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16:31:47  <ANIKHTOS> well i can but mx value 5 million
16:31:54  <ANIKHTOS> and game will end before a year pass
16:35:26  <Eddi|zuHause> the typical problem people faced with high daylength factors was that some counters that count ticks may overflow
16:41:34  <ANIKHTOS> every day i learn a bit more
16:41:40  <ANIKHTOS> every day i push my code forward
16:41:43  <ANIKHTOS> i am happy
16:41:45  <ANIKHTOS> :-)
16:48:56  <peter1138> hi
16:52:37  <ANIKHTOS> hi peter
17:04:10  <ANIKHTOS> be back later
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17:15:25  <IchGucksLive> hi
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17:15:53  <IchGucksLive> Q when in a not cheeting game will i be presented the build of the industies
17:16:18  <IchGucksLive> there are only reciving in the list but i cand build sourcing ones
17:16:38  <IchGucksLive> or is it a simple setting that i missed
17:16:58  <IchGucksLive> show me the industries is a cheet as i know from the past
17:18:34  <nielsm> building industries is a regular game feature (now), but by default you can only build secondary industries, yes
17:19:10  <nielsm> there is a setting that controls whether you can build primary industries (mines, farms, forests etc.), or perhaps can just fund "prospecting" for one
17:19:32  <nielsm> "prospecting" for a primary industry will usually result in one being built at a random place on the map
17:21:56  <IchGucksLive> so i need to search where this setting is
17:22:35  <nielsm> in english it's "manual primary industry construction method", under Environment >> Industries
17:23:24  <IchGucksLive> got it
17:23:46  <IchGucksLive> there is also alow multiple of same industries
17:24:00  <Alberth> there is
17:24:17  <IchGucksLive> no i stay default
17:24:43  <Eddi|zuHause> multiple industries can help if you play with really few towns
17:25:02  <IchGucksLive> now i can get what i want to adchive im now in 12th game year generated 50Mio of money but got so view sources
17:25:04  <Alberth> or with many many industries :)
17:25:35  <IchGucksLive> Thanks
17:25:46  <Alberth> money has no meaning in this game :)
17:25:56  <Eddi|zuHause> or when you want all source industries on one end of the map and all destinations on the other end
17:26:10  <IchGucksLive> ive been not shure on how it is a cheet and someday it comes up as the Train systems
17:26:41  <IchGucksLive> this is best back and forth full service
17:26:45  <Eddi|zuHause> it's really fuzzy on what is actually a "cheat" when the game is not really balanced to begin with
17:27:13  <Alberth> you can only decide what you believe to be cheating
17:27:37  <IchGucksLive> the beginn i use 2planes  and it then grows at every landing
17:28:07  <Alberth> I never use planes, I think they are too cheaty :)
17:28:22  <IchGucksLive> LOL
17:28:25  <Alberth> also, not much fun to play
17:28:27  <IchGucksLive> ROFL Thanks BYE
17:28:34  <Alberth> bye, have fun playing
17:28:42  <IchGucksLive> Le Mans second major incident
17:28:49  <IchGucksLive> full saftycar
17:28:56  <nielsm> distances in TT are really weird so planes can make very little sense, depending on scenario
17:29:06  <IchGucksLive> impact at 320Km/h
17:29:37  <Alberth> nielsm: nah, coal does need to be delivered, jumbo-jet seems like a good solution over water :p
17:30:05  <IchGucksLive> BY the way the timeline is  to be concerned  but you will come up with trains are 2years betwen stations
17:30:11  <Alberth> or red-hot steal that needs further finishing :)
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17:31:03  <Alberth> I mean carrying molten metal in an airplane, what can go wrong?
17:31:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i once transported oil via zeppelins
17:32:18  <Eddi|zuHause> so the oil rig delivered the oil through the heliport, and the passengers by ship
17:32:32  <Alberth> haha :)
17:32:51  <nielsm> those mods that have fishing grounds based on oil rigs... they still get the heliport part of the stop
17:33:03  <nielsm> so you can have helicoptors hovering there, catching fish
17:33:33  <Alberth> nice idea :)
17:33:49  <Alberth> ships are too slow anyway
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17:40:12  <nielsm> hmm I have an idea for a GS that would let a scenario builder set up some specific rules for the sceario, something with placing signs in the world builder which are then "consumed" by the GS when the game starts
17:40:22  <nielsm> should that be possible? does it alredy exist?
17:41:47  <nielsm> e.g. a sign for "in 1965 a new town must be founded where this sign is"
17:44:04  <Alberth> signs is a common form of communication with squirrel scripts
17:44:38  <Alberth> lilely there are function already for this in some library developed by Zuu
17:44:42  <Alberth> *likely
17:45:18  <Alberth> the question is, how do you avoid the player modifying the signs? :p
17:46:17  <Alberth> hmm, sign it with a crypto key?
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17:47:20  <Rubidium> isn't that one of the features?
17:47:20  <Alberth> not going to work of course, just hack the squirrel code
17:47:27  <Eddi|zuHause> the player can only edit his own signs?
17:48:51  <Alberth> ok, can the script change ownership of the signs to itself, eg by making a new sign?
17:50:28  <Eddi|zuHause> the script can probably set as which player it wants to act before placing a sign
17:54:24  <nielsm> can't the script "consume" the sign on the first tick of the game? read all signs on the map, and signs with correct syntax are stored in some GS internal storage and removed
17:54:38  <nielsm> and after than never read signs again
17:56:48  <Alberth> sounds feasible, if you accept hackability of the script :p
17:57:31  <nielsm> it'd also be neat if there was a way to fill out pages in the story book in the scenario editor, and then let a GS consume those pre-filled pages as script material, and replace with its own
17:57:41  <nielsm> (does anything even use the story book?)
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18:00:22  <Alberth> tutorial does
18:01:21  <Alberth> GameScript can only switch to another comany it seems, and it has to be a valid company. That means the player can cheat to it too
18:03:14  <Alberth> a simpler solution may be to make a list of such goals in the script itself
18:03:44  <nielsm> the goal is to have a script that can be used for any number of unique scenarios
18:04:26  <Alberth> oh, can't you load them from the savegame?
18:05:24  <Alberth> hmm, no, scenario doesn't load like that?
18:05:35  <Alberth> although, maybe it does
18:05:51  <nielsm> like, I want a scenario author to be able to select the "ScenarioTools" GS, plop down a bunch of signs detailing the rules, and when the game starts for real, the GS reads all the signs at once, stores the rules in an internal variables, deletes all of the signs, and then it will never read any more signs
18:06:39  <nielsm> I assume there is a way for a GS to have persistent state that's "hidden" from the world
18:06:48  <Alberth> you do have to save the information, or player cannot quit halfway
18:07:18  <Alberth> and you'll get that info back on load
18:07:37  <nielsm> semi-related, I can't seem to get the tutorial GS to load
18:07:53  <nielsm> I have downloaded it through bananas but it doesn't show up in the list of available GSs
18:08:06  <Alberth> we have such a thing?
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18:09:01  <Alberth> run a debug dump on script loading / recognizing
18:09:16  <Alberth> so you can see it's seen and loaded, or if not, why not
18:10:54  <nielsm> hm what cmdline option would that be...
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18:22:40  <michi_cc> nielsm: I believe you have to load and start the tutorial scenario which has the GS pre-setup.
18:22:58  <nielsm> and where is that scenario? >_>
18:23:00  <nielsm> :(
18:23:39  <michi_cc> It's listed as "Beginner Tutorial" on
18:24:22  <nielsm> scenarios aren't included in the in-game downloader ui?
18:24:32  <peter1138> They are.
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18:26:20  <nielsm> no idea why, but it wasn't showing up when I filtered for "begin" or "tutor" just before
18:26:40  <Alberth> it heard you :)
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18:29:58  <ANIKHTOS> i am doign somethign wrogn i  compile the game and when i open the seetings i get a crash fo the game in line 952 in the gui.cpp
18:31:15  <peter1138> I would say yes you are doing something wrong.
18:32:06  <LordAro> no that's definitely working exactly as intended
18:33:06  <Rubidium> actually, I find it quite interesting as I can't remember a gui.cpp
18:34:01  <peter1138> I think that'll be covered under "doing something wrong" :-)
18:34:25  <ANIKHTOS> settings_gui.cpp  this->setting != null
18:36:02  <Eddi|zuHause> <nielsm> can't the script "consume" the sign on the first tick of the game? read all signs on the map, and signs with correct syntax are stored in some GS internal storage and removed <- i think that should be possible, however you can only "consume" (as in remove) one sign per tick
18:36:08  <LordAro> like i keep saying, you *need* to be exact when describing error messages
18:36:17  <LordAro> your usual mess of typos is not helpful
18:37:47  <ANIKHTOS> i try to make an gui entry of variable
18:37:52  <ANIKHTOS> follow the instructions
18:38:11  <ANIKHTOS> but it crash the game so i am doing somethign wrong
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18:40:56  <Eddi|zuHause> you missed some steps
18:42:10  <ANIKHTOS> okey doign all steps from begining
18:45:17  <Alberth> don't trust the black book stuff too much
18:46:05  <ANIKHTOS> black book?? you men wiki page of ottd??
18:47:17  <LordAro> it tends to be out of date
18:47:32  <Alberth> yes,  this part in particular
18:48:00  <Alberth> other wiki is likely out of date too, but game play doesn't change very much
18:48:58  <ANIKHTOS> great  the documentaiton is out of date
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18:51:39  <Alberth> likely it was never completely up-to-date in the first place
18:52:20  <LordAro> as ever, the only true documentation is the source
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18:54:12  <ANIKHTOS> but outside documentation is so much faster to do things
18:54:34  <ANIKHTOS> now you have to read all the code to figure out what it does if you had documendation it would be faster
18:55:04  <LordAro> true
18:55:24  <LordAro> there is the automatically generated documentation at
18:55:39  <LordAro> but again, it's generated from comments so can't be entirely trusted
18:55:45  <LordAro> compiler doesn't compile comments
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19:00:11  <nielsm> Eddi|zuHause ah well, only being able to remove one sign per tick is fine, it can still read all of them in a single tick I assume
19:01:00  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe, but the game can force the script to pause after a number of operations
19:04:04  <ANIKHTOS> still same error
19:04:56  <nielsm> ah right yeah, well can just try to detect the situation and yell "you fool" at the scenario creator if the number of signs runs over
19:06:01  <LordAro> ANIKHTOS: without seeing your code there's really not much anyone can do
19:06:45  <nielsm> I'd really recommend getting a proper IDE with full debugger
19:06:53  <LordAro> also that
19:06:59  <nielsm> being able to look at the stack when it crashes it very useful
19:07:06  <LordAro> i think you said you were using notepad before? jesus christ that's bad
19:09:33  <glx> but he can't install VS
19:10:06  <glx> LordAro: I think we pointed to notepad++
19:10:29  <LordAro> a vague understanding of how C/C++ work would help as well, tbh
19:11:22  <nielsm> the various lookup features in the VS editor are so absurdly useful
19:11:40  <LordAro> vim + grep :p
19:12:01  <ANIKHTOS>
19:12:11  <ANIKHTOS> i use notepad++ now
19:12:31  <LordAro> ANIKHTOS: did you use git to checkout a copy of the source?
19:12:35  <LordAro> a diff would be more useful
19:12:46  <LordAro> (`git diff` in the terminal)
19:13:22  <ANIKHTOS> can i do that from the browser?? or i need to download another programm??
19:13:38  <nielsm> it's part of the git suite
19:13:39  <LordAro> depends, how did you get a copy of the OTTD source?
19:13:46  <nielsm> if you have git installed you can make a diff
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19:13:47  <ANIKHTOS> and i gave you what lines i have added nothing else is changed i try to get seeting in the gui
19:14:06  <ANIKHTOS> from the git hub from the browser i ask ti and i dwonlaod it
19:14:15  <LordAro> so a .zip?
19:14:23  <ANIKHTOS> yes a zip file
19:14:27  <LordAro> right
19:14:34  <LordAro> and you're using msys to compile it?
19:14:42  <ANIKHTOS> yes
19:14:45  <glx> msys2
19:14:56  <glx> with mingw-w64
19:15:04  <LordAro> glx: i figured the distinction wasn't necessary :p
19:15:10  <ANIKHTOS> mys2 and i use the mingw64
19:15:21  <LordAro> ok, you should be able to install git on the command line
19:15:25  <LordAro> `pacman -S git`
19:17:18  <ANIKHTOS> 7 min more or less
19:17:40  <LordAro> ...that is not a good internet connection
19:17:50  <LordAro> can't be more than a few MB
19:18:12  <ANIKHTOS> 27 mb
19:18:24  <LordAro> huh, that's bigger than i thought
19:18:34  <ANIKHTOS> Total Download Size:    27.03 Mi
19:19:48  <LordAro> incidentally, i think installing mingw-w64-xz will fix your savegame loading issue
19:20:15  <ANIKHTOS> you mean i will have the liblzma??
19:20:23  <LordAro> i think so
19:20:42  <glx> yes you installed msys package last time, not mingw package
19:20:54  <LordAro> it's either that or liblzma or liblzma-devel
19:21:10  <LordAro> glx: the distinction irritates me
19:21:31  <glx> there's only one package for mingw containing bin and headers
19:21:36  <ANIKHTOS> i installed liblzma and liblzma-devel but they do nto wrok
19:21:48  <glx> you installed msys ones yes
19:21:48  <LordAro> yeah, you can probably get rid of them
19:22:03  <ANIKHTOS> hwo u unitstall??
19:22:10  <LordAro> pacman -R <package>
19:22:37  <glx> to install mingw specific packages I think it's better to use pacboy
19:23:08  <glx>
19:23:24  <glx> else it's a pain :)
19:23:40  <LordAro> interesting
19:23:53  <LordAro> we exclusively use msys at work, which often breaks things
19:24:08  <LordAro> (things only look for mingw, not msys)
19:24:53  <glx> msys packages are useful only to port tools for msys
19:25:19  <glx> all other projects need mingw packages
19:25:40  <LordAro> you'd be surprised how much works :p
19:25:58  <LordAro> one day i'll get around to "fixing" it
19:26:20  <glx> well it works if your target is only 32bit I think
19:26:34  <LordAro> ...that also happens to be the case
19:26:56  <LordAro> (for now)
19:27:45  <glx> but usually msys packages are not found by mingw pkg-config
19:28:15  <LordAro> yeah, there's a lot of overrides going on in our stuff
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19:29:47  <glx> anyway on my PC I'm still with the old msys
19:30:52  <LordAro> oh dear
19:31:13  <glx> I highly integrated it in windows path so trying to install msys2 will conflict everywhere ;)
19:31:21  <LordAro> ha
19:36:02  <glx> vcpkg uses msys2 but it's ok because it installed it locally in the the checkout path
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20:51:25  <ANIKHTOS> okey unistal msys2
20:51:28  <ANIKHTOS> and install it again
20:51:38  <ANIKHTOS> and this time i am installign packaged with pacboy
20:52:29  <ANIKHTOS> this is waht i get when i tyrpe ./configure now
20:52:36  <ANIKHTOS> i am missing lzo2
20:52:46  <LordAro> maybe you should try installing it
20:53:03  <ANIKHTOS> i  isntall it with pacboy
20:53:06  <ANIKHTOS> but still not found
20:53:10  <ANIKHTOS> and there is no devel
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20:54:22  <LordAro> you should've installed the mingw-w64-lzo2 package
20:54:30  <LordAro> not sure of the specific pacboy syntax
20:55:14  <ANIKHTOS> Packages (2) mingw-w64-i686-lzo2-2.10-1  mingw-w64-x86_64-lzo2-2.10-1
20:55:17  <ANIKHTOS> installed this 2
20:55:29  <LordAro> hrm
20:55:37  <LordAro> glx: know anything more?
20:56:28  <glx> so 32bit and 64bit are installed
20:56:55  <ANIKHTOS> yes
20:57:31  <LordAro> (in general you only need 64bit)
20:57:55  <ANIKHTOS> pacboy is strange to use
20:58:40  <ANIKHTOS> when i type big name to get 1 option i get no such file
20:59:14  <LordAro> could be a side effect of however pacboy talks to pacman
20:59:23  <LordAro> no matter, if you've got both of them installed it "should" work
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21:00:09  <ANIKHTOS>
21:00:22  <ANIKHTOS> this is what i get after i try to ./configure
21:00:52  <glx> you can check config.log
21:03:41  <ANIKHTOS> well it tried to find lzo2 in 4 locations failed and moved on
21:05:52  <ANIKHTOS>  trying /mingw/include/lzo/lzo1x.h... no
21:06:27  <ANIKHTOS> but the location is not correect
21:06:28  <ANIKHTOS> R:\msys64\mingw64\include\lzo
21:06:44  <glx> location seems correct
21:07:10  <ANIKHTOS> msys2 installs mingw as mingw64 or mingw32
21:07:17  <DorpsGek> /mingw should be this mingw64 dir
21:07:23  <glx> oups
21:07:27  <glx> wrong command
21:07:53  <ANIKHTOS> make a folder and link it to the correct folder??
21:08:22  <glx> check what you have in /mingw
21:08:32  <glx> from msys shell
21:08:33  <ANIKHTOS> i do nto have a folder mingw
21:08:48  <LordAro> ...dorpsgek is alive?
21:08:53  <ANIKHTOS> i have 2 folders mingw32 and mingw64 where lzo is isntaleld
21:09:00  <LordAro> TB is that you?
21:09:16  <glx> yes you physically have these, but msys use an alias
21:09:21  <glx> LordAro: it was me
21:09:37  <LordAro> mysterious
21:10:55  <glx> check /etc/fstab
21:11:21  <glx> it should contain all mount points used by msys
21:11:39  <ANIKHTOS> check /etc/fstab this doe snto work
21:12:02  <glx> just open the file
21:12:20  <LordAro> is this the bit where you're using msys2.exe instead of mingw64.exe or something?
21:12:47  <glx> on my machine I have /mingw and /usr/local pointing to the same dir (but it's a highly customised install)
21:13:16  <glx> ha yes you must of course start the right env
21:13:40  <LordAro> somsone should really rewrite thr compiling on mingw wiki page
21:14:01  <LordAro> it predates msys2
21:14:04  <ANIKHTOS> no i run the ingw64
21:14:33  <glx> so in mingw64 type "cat /etc/fstab"
21:14:43  <ANIKHTOS> i have 3 optiosn to run ming64 mingw32 and msys2  i always run mingw64
21:14:54  <glx> that's correct
21:15:15  <glx> never use msys2
21:15:23  <glx> only the mingw ones
21:16:01  <glx> so this step is clear
21:16:51  <glx> and I think mingw64 and mingw32 define where /mingw points
21:17:04  <ANIKHTOS>  For a description of the file format, see the Users Guide
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21:17:15  <ANIKHTOS> #
21:17:25  <ANIKHTOS> # DO NOT REMOVE NEXT LINE. It remove cygdrive prefix from path
21:17:33  <glx> ignore the comments ;)
21:17:39  <ANIKHTOS> none / cygdrive binary,posix=0,noacl,user 0 0
21:17:42  <ANIKHTOS> and nothign more
21:17:54  <glx> that's weird
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21:18:34  <ANIKHTOS> ii hust open mingw64 and type that
21:18:44  <ANIKHTOS> shoudl i go to another location and type that??
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21:20:57  <ANIKHTOS> okey i made a folder mingw
21:21:05  <ANIKHTOS> and link the subfolders to mingw64
21:21:12  <ANIKHTOS> now it can see lzo2
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21:22:10  <glx> but I think the launcher should handle that
21:22:24  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i just found an unopened letter that said "thanks for playing at our christmas party" and 25€
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21:22:56  <ANIKHTOS> maybe ./configure file fo ottd need an update?? for msys2???
21:22:56  <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't remember what christmas party that was
21:23:15  <ANIKHTOS> this is what i get after ./configure
21:23:22  <ANIKHTOS> so i need to install anythign more??
21:24:19  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: likely not before 2001
21:24:50  <glx> possible as I think no devs use msys2
21:25:40  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: well, it made a reference to the year 2018... but anyway :p
21:26:15  <ANIKHTOS> can you tell me if i have all the tools needed installed??
21:26:55  <glx> configure output seems good, you can type make
21:28:26  <Eddi|zuHause> ANIKHTOS: what line of that output are you worrying about?
21:29:18  <ANIKHTOS> line 36 and down with all the not found
21:29:57  <glx> ah yes you could install libpng
21:30:24  <glx> but it's not vital (only used for screenshots and heightmaps)
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21:33:45  <ANIKHTOS> anythign else i need??
21:34:32  <ANIKHTOS> the icu???
21:35:03  <glx> I'm checking
21:36:57  <glx> hmm you don't use a recent source tree
21:37:26  <ANIKHTOS> i am using the 1.8.0
21:37:44  <ANIKHTOS> the master was not copiling  was giving me erorors
21:37:58  <ANIKHTOS> the 1.8 compiles with no errors only 1 warning
21:38:13  <glx> yes so you'll need freetype and icu if you need a non latin language
21:38:39  <glx> we removed the need in recent source
21:38:54  <glx> using windows native features
21:39:07  <ANIKHTOS> okey for the test purposes i can live without strange language support
21:41:15  <ANIKHTOS> great now my compiller works better :-0
21:42:11  <ANIKHTOS> git i can only install it with pacman
21:42:15  <ANIKHTOS> install it??
21:42:39  <glx> it can be installed globally
21:43:06  <ANIKHTOS> so go ahead and install it??
21:43:28  <glx> I used the installer from
21:43:54  <glx> 2.17.1(2)
21:44:03  <glx> ignore the RC
21:44:54  <ANIKHTOS> 2.17 or 2.18?? i only see 2.18
21:45:03  <glx> 2.18 is RC
21:45:13  <glx> scroll down for 2.17
21:46:18  <glx> this git is compatible with github 2FA, I don't know how it is for msys git
21:49:19  <ANIKHTOS> merge the git files with the mingw64 files??
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21:50:37  <ANIKHTOS> i imagine i run the git.exe??
21:52:15  <ANIKHTOS> the git creates 4 folders
21:52:50  <ANIKHTOS> cmd etc mingw64 and usr
21:53:07  <ANIKHTOS> what exe i run to start the programm??
21:53:18  <glx> git is a command line tool
21:54:38  <ANIKHTOS> like mingw64
21:54:40  <glx> but it shouldn't do anything (except outputing its usage) when executed without args
21:55:03  <glx> no mingw64 opens a shell window
21:55:24  <glx> you use git in this window or any windows command line
21:55:41  <ANIKHTOS> i downlaod the zip version
21:55:45  <ANIKHTOS> and i unzip it in a folder
21:55:49  <ANIKHTOS> if i want to run git
21:55:55  <ANIKHTOS> what i need to start??
21:56:13  <glx> just type git
21:56:36  <glx> but if you just extracted the zip you'll need to add its path
21:56:52  <ANIKHTOS> to mingw64??
21:58:27  <ANIKHTOS> i see 2 git.exe
21:58:37  <ANIKHTOS> one in folder cmd and nothign else in that folder
21:58:59  <ANIKHTOS> and the other in ,ingw64\bin with many other files
21:59:48  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:09:08  <glx> I used the installer, it's way easier
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22:19:44  <ANIKHTOS> if i can get a zip file i get the zip file
22:20:00  <ANIKHTOS> this way i know that all the files the programm needs are in 1 folder
22:20:14  <ANIKHTOS> from where you start git?/
22:20:19  <ANIKHTOS> comamnd line of windows??
22:20:29  <ANIKHTOS> or the mingw64??
22:20:33  <LordAro> commandlines don't work so well if you do things that way
22:21:02  <LordAro> installers simplify things
22:21:02  <glx> you can run it in both, but you'll need to add the path
22:21:04  <LordAro> by design
22:21:39  <glx> that's why installer is easier
22:21:45  <ANIKHTOS> or i can merge the git files with  mingw64 files??
22:22:04  <ANIKHTOS> have this 2 in the same folder
22:22:12  <glx> I think you can unzip it in msys2 yes
22:22:28  <glx> it seems to use the same tree
22:22:43  <ANIKHTOS> thats way i ask to merge thme together
22:23:53  <LordAro> but then you've merged 2 things and made the whole "download zips only" thing pointless
22:24:56  <glx> and it complicates upgrading too
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22:33:20  <ANIKHTOS> okey it seems to work
22:33:32  <ANIKHTOS> i can call git from mingw64
22:35:44  <glx> looking at I think configure needs to be updated
22:36:12  <glx> it clearly is not compatible with MSYS2
22:39:39  <ANIKHTOS> well i made the merge
22:39:48  <ANIKHTOS> and i keep the files i had from the msys instalaltion
22:39:54  <ANIKHTOS> and nto ovveride them form git
22:39:58  <ANIKHTOS> and it seems git to work
22:40:27  <ANIKHTOS> okey now i have git
22:40:36  <ANIKHTOS> what i do with it??
22:40:53  <glx> git is used to get the sources
22:42:24  <ANIKHTOS> well i download them with the browaser
22:42:28  <ANIKHTOS> much more user friendly
22:42:30  <ANIKHTOS> ;-)
22:46:50  <ANIKHTOS> okey i try to compile i type make
22:47:01  <ANIKHTOS> and i get bash: make: command not found
22:47:06  <ANIKHTOS> what i am misisng now??
22:47:42  <glx> make is not installed ?
22:47:55  <ANIKHTOS> i instaleld it with pacboy
22:49:28  <ANIKHTOS> great now i have liblzma and lzo2 but nto make
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23:11:00  <ANIKHTOS> glx seetign up mingw is always this problematic??
23:12:09  <glx> it should just work, but as I already said I never used MSYS2
23:12:56  <ANIKHTOS> the first time i isntall it make was working but had problem ith lzma and lzo2
23:13:09  <ANIKHTOS> now i solve the lzma and lzo2 but i do not have make
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23:18:42  <ANIKHTOS> 1 step forward 2 steps back
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