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00:29:51 <peter1138> Whew, that was a horrible performance regression there... 00:29:57 <peter1138> Turns out, debug-level 3 :/ 00:30:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 00:50:11 *** cHawk has quit IRC 00:50:45 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison updated pull request #7081: Change: [Linkgraph] Pause the game when linkgraph jobs lag (#6470) https://git.io/fh2Pg 00:52:06 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #7081: Change: [Linkgraph] Pause the game when linkgraph jobs lag (#6470) https://git.io/fhjfs 01:19:50 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 01:20:12 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 01:25:42 *** octernion has joined #openttd 01:26:46 *** Thedarkb1-T60 has quit IRC 01:30:38 *** Mazur has quit IRC 01:32:45 *** supermop_Home_ has quit IRC 01:38:25 *** octernion has quit IRC 01:49:18 *** supermop_Home_ has joined #openttd 02:02:10 *** Beerbelott has left #openttd 02:04:16 <supermop_Home_> why do no servers have cdist on? 02:04:22 <supermop_Home_> or use newgrfs 02:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> It's simple to add a 3rd tile that is actually a station tile. <-- i would probably do that 02:11:47 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 02:14:29 *** glx has quit IRC 02:14:51 <supermop_Home_> i hope these other players are AIs 02:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_Home_: apparently there's too little overlap between players that want to play online and those that can accept a certain set of newgrfs that they did not hand.pick themselves 02:19:29 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened pull request #7366: Add: List recently executed commands in crashlog output. https://git.io/fhjJc 02:19:34 <supermop_Home_> i would settle for almost anything other than tropic base set trains 02:20:10 <Samu> hey supermop_Home_ you're on my game? 02:22:53 <supermop_Home_> apparently 02:23:02 <Samu> red is an AI 02:23:10 <Samu> Bold Network 02:23:19 <supermop_Home_> hard to find anywhere to fit tracks between the ai rails 02:24:23 <Samu> I could try cargodist sometime 02:26:05 <Samu> which newgrfs do you want? I don't usually try newgrfs much 02:26:29 <supermop_Home_> basic stuff is pretty good, like iron horse 02:27:45 <Samu> there's iron horse, iron horse quicksilver add on, iron horse 2, termite 02:29:36 <Samu> just iron horse? 02:32:20 <Samu> what about ships, aircraft, road vehicles? 02:32:32 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened pull request #7367: Change: Include _current_company in crashlog AI config line https://git.io/fhjJa 02:33:30 <Samu> so many newgrfs that I have a hard time to pick 02:35:41 <supermop_Home_> RVs i guess it doesn't matter as much, just something generic but that can be refitted, has better capacity than the defaults 02:36:46 <Samu> uhm, which ones? I'm very unfamiliar regarding newgrfs 02:39:36 <supermop_Home_> road hog is good, opengfx+ RVs is good 02:39:44 <supermop_Home_> egrvts is ok 02:39:48 <supermop_Home_> kind of old 02:40:10 <supermop_Home_> all of those will let you use newgrf industries 02:40:41 <supermop_Home_> and they are all pretty similar to the original vehicles, just a little nicer looking and more flexible 02:40:50 <Samu> oki, iron horse 1.9.1 02:40:59 <Samu> road hog 1.4.1 02:41:09 <Samu> would be a nice test for AIs 02:41:37 <Samu> ships and planes, anything worth using? and which industry newgrf? 03:00:54 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 03:18:59 *** D-HUND has joined #openttd 03:21:56 <Samu> supermop_Home_, you there? 03:22:26 *** debdog has quit IRC 03:27:11 <supermop_Home_> yo 03:30:08 <supermop_Home_> going for a walk 03:32:33 *** Compu has joined #openttd 03:52:50 *** tokai has joined #openttd 03:52:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tokai 03:59:41 *** tokai|noir has quit IRC 04:33:34 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 04:39:45 *** supermop_Home_ has quit IRC 05:33:35 *** octernion has joined #openttd 05:41:41 *** octernion has quit IRC 05:49:44 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 05:50:05 *** Supercheese has joined #openttd 06:08:50 *** Samu has quit IRC 06:20:42 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 06:26:08 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7366: Add: List recently executed commands in crashlog output. https://git.io/fhjkm 06:36:11 *** nielsm has quit IRC 06:47:36 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, it's not simple :( 07:09:23 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 07:11:24 <peter1138> So... 07:11:28 <andythenorth> docks? 07:12:28 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/docks1.png 07:12:29 <peter1138> Yes 07:13:09 <peter1138> No custom tiles yet. 07:13:36 <peter1138> Station tile layout or house/industrytile/object style? 07:13:55 <andythenorth> jeez 07:14:19 <peter1138> red square is debugging for docking location for pathfinder. 07:14:20 <andythenorth> is there any reason to choose station tile layout? 07:14:28 <peter1138> andythenorth, only that it's already there. 07:14:39 <andythenorth> will this end up newgrf configurable? 07:14:43 <andythenorth> eventually? 07:15:01 <peter1138> But I think it may be easy to bolt on the "new style" for non-rail stations. 07:15:10 <peter1138> (Well, even rail stations but not tackling that) 07:15:17 <andythenorth> the old style never gained nml support 07:15:22 <andythenorth> nml ! stations 07:15:25 <peter1138> Quite 07:15:36 <andythenorth> but you probably want to add station support to nml, right? 07:15:38 <andythenorth> volunteering? 07:15:46 <peter1138> Maybe later. 07:15:52 <peter1138> I want to get this working. 07:16:01 <andythenorth> I lke the tile format for industrytile 07:16:06 <andythenorth> it works for me, makes sense 07:16:07 <peter1138> The red squares is just highlight debugging for docking tile 07:16:15 <peter1138> As I have to update it periodically if the tile gets changed. 07:16:17 <andythenorth> yes :) 07:16:34 <peter1138> Plan is the docking tile will be able to be adjacent to andy dock tile. 07:16:40 <peter1138> so single-tile docks. 07:16:48 <andythenorth> arbitrary slopes on the tile? o_O 07:16:51 <peter1138> Dock tile can then be placed on slope, or flat land. 07:17:00 <peter1138> yes, maybe any slope 07:17:05 <peter1138> direction isn't going to be important. 07:17:08 <andythenorth> arbitrary docking points in industries? o_O 07:17:15 <andythenorth> industry docks are weird :P 07:17:29 <peter1138> Yeah they are. 07:17:40 <peter1138> And it should be possible to place dock tiles... in water. 07:17:46 <peter1138> Which opens up a can of worms 07:18:07 <peter1138> maybe that won't be possible 07:18:15 <peter1138> you could just spam water tiles with docks then 07:18:36 <andythenorth> gr8! 07:18:36 <peter1138> But anyway 07:18:47 <peter1138> YAPF pathfinding seems to work. 07:18:50 <peter1138> I haven't tackled NPF. 07:19:03 <peter1138> And LOL @ OPF. 07:19:12 <andythenorth> opf is gone? 07:19:15 <peter1138> Not yet. 07:20:09 <peter1138> Hmm, SLV_MULTIPLE_DOCKS should... maybe SLV_MULTITILE_DOCKS 07:22:00 <peter1138> Hmm, should a buoy be able to be a docking tile? 07:22:07 <peter1138> I guess so. 07:23:17 <peter1138> What about a ship depot... I think that currently works but is kinda odd. 07:24:17 <peter1138> I haven't done anything with reserving slots so ships always take the nearest docking tile. 07:28:53 <andythenorth> a ship depot as dock? 07:29:41 <peter1138> Not a dock, a docking tile. 07:29:58 <andythenorth> "no need" ? 07:32:27 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/docks2.png 07:32:33 <peter1138> ^ That is currently an arrangement that works. 07:32:52 <peter1138> As long as the ship can reach the docking tile... 07:32:59 <peter1138> Same with buoys. 07:34:57 <andythenorth> what if towns build blocking the tiles? o_O 07:35:11 <andythenorth> docking tiles on aqueducts? 07:35:59 <peter1138> If towns block the tiles then Samu will tell us about it. 07:39:37 <andythenorth> docking tiles in locks! 07:39:45 <andythenorth> ship goes up and down while docked 07:45:50 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh dismissed a review for pull request #7081: Change: [Linkgraph] Pause the game when linkgraph jobs lag (#6470) https://git.io/fhhh5 07:48:17 <peter1138> Eh, not actually IN the lock. 07:48:22 <peter1138> But yes, either end is possible. 07:51:37 * andythenorth tries to think of any more silly ideas 07:52:08 <andythenorth> all out of water features 07:52:19 <andythenorth> dock tiles in ship tunnels? o_O 07:55:44 <andythenorth> shall we add minecarts? 07:55:47 <andythenorth> and crafting? 07:57:17 <peter1138> I need to make lunch. 07:57:31 <peter1138> And maybe have more breakfast. Is one slice of toast sufficient? 07:59:54 <andythenorth> no 08:00:00 <andythenorth> you need melon and some oranges 08:00:22 <peter1138> I have clementines but no melon. 08:00:23 <peter1138> Hmm 08:00:56 <peter1138> Ok, m1 bit 7 is free for station tiles too, that's good. 08:01:03 <peter1138> And, indeed, tunnels and bridges. 08:04:58 <Flygon> Oh nuts, can't buy out a human competitor in OTTD. x.x 08:05:11 <Flygon> Promised a friend I'd merge the two companies so he'd have an easier introduction into MP. 08:16:05 <Flygon> He made his own company, but felt overwhelmed by infrastructure sharing. 08:17:34 <peter1138> So you're not playing OpenTTD. Traitor! 08:17:41 <Flygon> :V 08:17:44 <Flygon> They're new to it! 08:19:26 *** Gustavo6056 has joined #openttd 08:20:21 <peter1138> thats even worse ;) 08:21:34 <Flygon> :V 08:23:35 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 08:23:35 *** Gustavo6056 is now known as Gustavo6046 08:39:41 <Flygon> So the only option is for them to totally disassemble their company? 08:39:46 <Flygon> No way to convert it into an AI player? 08:44:00 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2995 08:44:00 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 08:46:20 *** Guest2995 has quit IRC 09:11:05 <TrueBrain> I have been thinking ... talking about cutting old: we should drop DOS support. It has no threads (not fixable), it has no network (somewhat fixable, but nobody is going to do it), it has no cmake (NOOOO), any "real" DOS machine won't have the memory, it has bugs nobody is going to fix, it bloats our codebase for "a joke" (you can say a lot, but I 09:11:05 <TrueBrain> strongly doubt we have a real DOS userbase :P) .. so .. how about we just remove it? All ENABLE_NETWORK statements can be removed, some other special-case code can just vanish, etc. Too drastic? Agree? :D 09:12:58 <peter1138> Probably yes. 09:16:04 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #7363: Lot of small codefixes related to configure https://git.io/fhhdG 09:17:10 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:17:46 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eddi-z commented on pull request #7366: Add: List recently executed commands in crashlog output. https://git.io/fhjLF 09:20:19 <LordAro> TrueBrain: ask about it in the monthly dev blog :) 09:20:48 <TrueBrain> I guess that is fair 09:20:56 <TrueBrain> we can also ask about OS/2 and Haiku? :P 09:22:17 <LordAro> we could, but idk - i get dropping old and dead operating systems, but dropping little-used OSes because they're little-used is a bit self fulfilling 09:23:44 *** kiwitree has joined #openttd 09:25:49 <planetmaker> moin 09:29:00 <TrueBrain> LordAro: but there is little used, and never used :) 09:29:09 <TrueBrain> and we are not dropping it because it is little used 09:29:17 <TrueBrain> we are dropping it because we have a huge technical debt because of it 09:29:28 <TrueBrain> or you means OS/2 and Haiku? 09:29:36 <TrueBrain> sorry, my mind didn't change state :P 09:29:43 <TrueBrain> isn't OS/2 also dead? 09:29:50 <TrueBrain> and yeah, okay, Haiku is fine I guess :P 09:29:57 <TrueBrain> someone needs to fix the bugs in network, but .. that is minor 09:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how about adding android/iOS as supported platforms? 09:31:00 <TrueBrain> go for it Eddi|zuHause 09:31:10 <TrueBrain> hmm .. why is spelling check not working in GitHub editor :( 09:31:23 <LordAro> perhaps, but also Haiku & OS/2 are much lower maintrnance than DOS, as they do have networking, threads & cmake 09:32:31 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhAzy 09:32:39 <TrueBrain> LordAro: yeah, I am fine with Haiku 09:32:42 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, I've managed to get it compiled for Android. 09:32:43 <TrueBrain> OS/2 .. no clue what the state is 09:32:50 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, I've not tried running it yet though. 09:32:53 <TrueBrain> I haven't test it, and I doubt someone else has :D 09:33:03 <peter1138> Because I compiled it without a video driver :p 09:33:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: the biggest thing to fix in Android/iOS, is UI I guess :P 09:33:36 <peter1138> TrueBrain, ish. 09:33:48 <TrueBrain> LordAro: but okay, asked in the post about DOS; we will see if people reply :) 09:33:49 <peter1138> It needs to be done in a nice generic way. 09:33:54 <peter1138> Unlike what the patches do. 09:34:21 <peter1138> Toolbar buttons down the side of the screen might work quite well on desktop too. 09:34:31 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 09:34:47 <TrueBrain> after porting to various of platforms in the old days, my personal opinion became that I do not believe OpenTTD is a playable game on a mobile device (including tablets) 09:35:01 <TrueBrain> I love to be proven wrong :D 09:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, switching to a "fat finger/touchscreen/miniscreen" mode must be generic enough to work on every OS, with maybe a detection routine to set a sane default 09:36:13 <peter1138> TrueBrain, yeah it needs a mouse pointer, I think. 09:36:20 <dwfreed> because you could be running openttd on windows with a touchscreen display (like a surface pro) 09:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it could incorporate the gui zoom/font zoom features 09:36:48 <TrueBrain> so, a new projct 09:36:54 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause is the project owner 09:36:58 <TrueBrain> any questions can be directed to him 09:37:03 <TrueBrain> :D 09:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a horrible idea :p 09:37:14 <TrueBrain> that's what she said 09:37:14 <LordAro> dwfreed: x2 gui zoom, done 09:37:17 <LordAro> :p 09:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ... and she was probably right 09:38:14 <planetmaker> there is an android port... it surely could be canibalized to make it proper 09:39:01 <peter1138> i have it imported heh 09:39:30 <peter1138> first step is to fix the build system 09:39:49 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7366: Add: List recently executed commands in crashlog output. https://git.io/fhjtB 09:40:42 <peter1138> gui changes are obviously required but come later 09:41:18 <peter1138> sdl 1.2 android port is clunky, sdl 2 might be better 09:43:57 <Eddi|zuHause> have we settled on the debate of whether sdl2 support should remove sdl1.2 support or be a separate driver? 09:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i see the potential for lots of fringe cases breaking with sdl2 09:45:32 <peter1138> at the moment its not ready 09:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> might be helpful to tell those people to use "-v sdl1" 09:48:25 *** Heiki has quit IRC 10:01:02 <TrueBrain> I am so happy I put a space in my folder name 10:01:12 <TrueBrain> once again glx broke support for that :P (it is either he or me doing it :D) 10:07:50 <Eddi|zuHause> good test case :) 10:08:20 <peter1138> Do we want the CI to build with fluidsynth suport? 10:08:22 <peter1138> *support 10:08:55 <peter1138> It would be an extra library for users to install. 10:09:34 <planetmaker> for the end user? 10:09:39 <planetmaker> hm 10:10:03 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nielsmh commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjqI 10:10:11 <planetmaker> well. On linux it doesn't hurt, if you install via package manager. Or you compile it in statically 10:10:16 <peter1138> Hmm, actually... 10:10:33 <peter1138> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=84911#p1219240 10:10:42 <TrueBrain> peter1138: we only publish Debian packages that users can use on Linux 10:10:43 <peter1138> That post would suggest it is. Hmm. 10:10:50 <peter1138> TrueBrain, true. 10:10:51 <TrueBrain> the CI doesn't produce downloadable binaries 10:11:15 <TrueBrain> so I guess your question is two-fold: should we change os/debian, os/rpm, etc to include fluidsynth 10:11:25 <TrueBrain> and should we add fluidsynth to the CI so it is validated it still works? 10:11:35 <TrueBrain> on that last note, guess it would be good to install allegro etc too 10:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i think enough people requested a generic linux binary that we should consider providing one 10:11:53 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: https://github.com/OpenTTD/CompileFarm/issues/22 10:12:04 <TrueBrain> we considered it. The answer resulted in a ticket 10:12:05 <TrueBrain> now get to work :P 10:12:07 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, we should, just needs someone™ to set it up :) 10:12:38 <peter1138> TrueBrain, sorry I was conflating the two, I wasn't sure if adding it to the CI build rules would also affect the release/nightly builds. 10:12:45 <TrueBrain> we can't keep going in this same circle ;) It is not a question IF we should do it, but WHEN someone is going to :P 10:12:52 <TrueBrain> peter1138: nope :) 10:13:14 <TrueBrain> exactly the reason I split them in two flows btw :) 10:14:42 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 10:15:15 <peter1138> Ok 10:16:36 <peter1138> Yeah so allegro too? Or are we dropping that? 10:17:55 <TrueBrain> for now, lets keep it 10:17:58 <peter1138> Ok. 10:18:04 <TrueBrain> CMake showed me a lot of these libraries that are missing on the CI 10:18:41 <TrueBrain> yeah, fluidsynth and allegro are not fixed yet on the CI 10:18:42 <TrueBrain> the rest is 10:26:48 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #7366: Add: List recently executed commands in crashlog output. https://git.io/fhjqP 10:27:14 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: drop DOS, it's showboating to keep it 10:27:23 <andythenorth> I kill jokes quite often in newgrf 10:27:33 <andythenorth> after a few years, they're no longer funny 10:33:21 *** synchris has joined #openttd 10:46:06 <peter1138> Yes yes. 10:46:15 <peter1138> On branch multiple-docks 10:46:15 <peter1138> nothing to commit, working tree clean 10:46:17 <peter1138> Well 10:48:26 <peter1138> TrueBrain, hmm, I guess Linux dependencies are done differently from OSX? 10:48:38 <peter1138> It was azure-pipelines for OSX 10:49:12 <peter1138> I wonder if fluidsynth works on OSX? :D 10:51:17 <peter1138> andythenorth, did you ever try the palette "fix" I made? (SDL 1.2 only, dunno if you can run that) 10:53:38 <andythenorth> I didn't 10:53:40 <andythenorth> is it a PR? o_O 10:55:12 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 10:59:41 *** Thedarkb-X40 has quit IRC 11:02:20 <peter1138> Nah 11:05:41 <peter1138> Night mode sounds particularly useless. 11:05:49 <peter1138> Seeing as a game day takes about 2.5 seconds... 11:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i was browsing through some patches i stored ages ago, and among those was one that looked like it applied some palette magic to switch to night mode 11:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it was called "rAncient" and referenced .c files :p 11:15:09 <peter1138> :-) 11:15:34 <peter1138> Yeah, palette magic is actually easy, especially now we're in 32bpp mode these days. 11:15:48 <peter1138> It's just the lights, and the practicality of it. 11:18:26 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #7367: Change: Include _current_company in crashlog AI config line https://git.io/fhjmD 11:28:45 <TrueBrain> peter1138: Linux are done via Docker, as we need to run on different "OSes" there 11:28:55 <TrueBrain> OSX only has one, as does Windows, so they are done directly via Azure Pipelines 11:29:04 <peter1138> Yup. That makes sense. 11:29:07 <TrueBrain> bit annoying, but what can you do 11:29:49 <peter1138> I'll have to figure out how to play with docker. No bad thing. 11:30:17 <TrueBrain> I have to figure out why my spinning disk is causing hickups on my system :( 11:30:28 <TrueBrain> to see how the Dockers are build (and run) you can check the Azure Pipelines 11:30:42 <TrueBrain> if you want more detailed walk-through, let me know :) 11:31:21 <TrueBrain> okay, my computer is acting REALLY weird now .. lol .. stupid Windows :( 11:31:47 <TrueBrain> only Chrome works .. rest of the windows are stuck :P 11:32:00 <TrueBrain> but only with mouse interactions 11:32:02 <TrueBrain> with keyboard it is fine 11:33:04 *** kiwitree has quit IRC 11:33:09 <peter1138> Oh dear... 11:33:16 <peter1138> I hope your drive is not toast :/ 11:33:48 <TrueBrain> rebooted the system, everything is fine again 11:33:48 <TrueBrain> weird 11:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like typical Windows :p 11:35:47 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc 11:39:04 *** snail_UES_ has joined #openttd 11:43:41 <TrueBrain> owh, I fixed non-MSVC, but that broke MSVC :D 11:43:42 <TrueBrain> NICE 11:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a tuesday 11:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (on monday) 11:53:13 <TrueBrain> okay ... cmake lost the ability to find msbuild all of a sudden 11:54:49 <TrueBrain> things on Windows work like MAGIC 12:00:57 <peter1138> The std::vector patch is looking a bit... conflicty :/ 12:02:48 <peter1138> Can a GameScript take over map creation? 12:03:15 <peter1138> Well, not landscape but town and industry placement. 12:03:52 *** snail_UES_ has quit IRC 12:06:43 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttd 12:13:17 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjYA 12:13:21 <TrueBrain> sounds to me nielsm was just being lazy :P :P :P 12:13:46 <TrueBrain> he even merged something in that repo recently :) So yeah, he for sure has write access :D 12:47:50 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #7367: Change: Include _current_company in crashlog AI config line https://git.io/fhjJa 12:58:57 *** Flygon has quit IRC 13:00:34 *** octernion has joined #openttd 13:03:07 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GabdaZM closed pull request #7242: Codechange: Improve performance of town name refresh on viewports https://git.io/fh5iB 13:03:08 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GabdaZM commented on pull request #7242: Codechange: Improve performance of town name refresh on viewports https://git.io/fhjOp 13:04:03 *** Gabda has joined #openttd 13:13:09 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GabdaZM opened pull request #7368: Codechange: town sign update on population change https://git.io/fhj3k 13:16:12 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nielsmh updated pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhAzy 13:31:42 *** synchris has quit IRC 13:32:55 *** synchris has joined #openttd 13:33:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GabdaZM updated pull request #7025: Add #6887: Option to show zone inside local authority boundary of towns https://git.io/fhsu0 13:39:09 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #7025: Add #6887: Option to show zone inside local authority boundary of towns https://git.io/fhj31 13:39:29 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 13:49:43 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on issue #7006: Hardware mouse cursor https://git.io/fhjsI 13:52:54 *** cHawk has quit IRC 13:54:18 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhAzy 13:55:57 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nikolas commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjsG 13:56:05 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 13:57:27 <peter1138> "These changes/fixes can obviously be controversial, so please discuss and ask aobut them." 13:57:30 <peter1138> Nooo :p 13:58:41 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjsc 13:58:59 <TrueBrain> clicking edit is REALLY easy, so I expect a commit in 20 seconds? :D 14:02:37 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nikolas commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjsu 14:02:43 <andythenorth> peter1138: livery stuff, best feature ever https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1219230#p1219230 14:02:55 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc 14:03:11 <peter1138> Who what? 14:03:16 <TrueBrain> peter1138: you 14:03:44 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjsV 14:04:07 <TrueBrain> (I assumed you were talking about people's inability to write "about" correct :P) 14:04:25 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7006: Hardware mouse cursor https://git.io/fhjso 14:04:43 <peter1138> TrueBrain, no, didn't even notice that. 14:04:48 <TrueBrain> ah :D 14:04:50 <TrueBrain> my bad :) 14:04:53 <andythenorth> 'oof' 14:05:01 <andythenorth> is it lunchtime? 14:05:02 <TrueBrain> jumping to the wrong conclusion there :D 14:05:09 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: +/- 2 hours late, sure 14:05:15 <peter1138> andythenorth, oh I see, he's using group liveries to ... do livery changes. 14:05:19 <andythenorth> yes! 14:05:19 <peter1138> TrueBrain, that's my job :D 14:05:23 <andythenorth> it's amazing 14:05:28 <andythenorth> best feature 14:05:31 <andythenorth> hmm 14:05:41 <TrueBrain> peter1138: again, my apologies :D 14:05:43 <peter1138> I had lunch. It was low calorie until I ate the roll, crisps, and scone. 14:05:51 <andythenorth> I had: half a packet of cookies, some hula hoops, a tomato, and a lasagne 14:05:55 <andythenorth> so is it lunch? 14:06:04 <TrueBrain> why is MSBuild not on my search path :( 14:06:07 <peter1138> It sounds like you had it. 14:06:15 <andythenorth> that was a snack 14:06:21 <peter1138> I had a lotus biscuit. Not quite half a packet. 14:06:31 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7025: Add #6887: Option to show zone inside local authority boundary of towns https://git.io/fhjs1 14:06:38 <TrueBrain> owh, that error happens because I have VS2019 installed, it says 14:06:39 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nikolas updated pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhAzy 14:06:40 <TrueBrain> nooooo 14:07:00 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhjsM 14:07:30 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 14:07:43 <m3henry> Airport burger here 14:08:28 <TrueBrain> HOW DID HE KNOW?! 14:08:30 <TrueBrain> *scared now* 14:09:34 * m3henry is wondering how many merge-fixups are needed when he gets back 14:10:07 <peter1138> m3henry, welllllll 14:10:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GabdaZM commented on pull request #7025: Add #6887: Option to show zone inside local authority boundary of towns https://git.io/fhjsS 14:15:08 <TrueBrain> okay, CMake is working again \o/ 14:15:09 <TrueBrain> w00p 14:15:24 <TrueBrain> baseset generation is also working (tnx to glx) 14:15:27 <TrueBrain> source.list is no longer needed 14:15:32 <TrueBrain> all in all, looking good :) 14:15:58 <TrueBrain> biggest thing left, is regression :) 14:16:13 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 14:16:20 <peter1138> Nice 14:16:26 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 14:16:52 * andythenorth had a creme egg 14:18:14 <peter1138> TrueBrain, https://github.com/PeterN/OpenTTD/commits/always-export-squirrel 14:18:56 <peter1138> TrueBrain, last three commits there might be interesting 14:19:07 <TrueBrain> yippie, peter1138 is going to port those to CMake :D \o/ :) 14:19:10 <peter1138> TrueBrain, but i believe that should be done sseparate afterwards 14:19:15 <LordAro> andythenorth: yes please 14:19:18 <peter1138> TrueBrain, yup, that's partly why i stopped developing it. 14:19:51 *** m3henry has quit IRC 14:19:51 <peter1138> I have 2 Oreo eggs. They're not quite the same. 14:20:03 <peter1138> Much less sweet. 14:20:03 <TrueBrain> with CMake it becomes so much easier .. 1 script to do all platforms with 14:20:09 <TrueBrain> instead of all this shell/vbs shit constantly :P 14:20:13 <peter1138> TrueBrain, hopefully 14:20:16 <TrueBrain> but yeah, that would be really great to just generate those files on build 14:20:20 <TrueBrain> instead of storing them in repo 14:20:24 <TrueBrain> which is a bit iffy .. always has been :P 14:20:36 <peter1138> Yeah, and we keep missing these files, as glx tells us :) 14:20:52 <TrueBrain> one of the things we also should work for, is using more folders :P 14:20:56 <TrueBrain> 'src' really has too many files 14:21:08 <TrueBrain> silly enough, in MSVC we do use more folders 14:21:14 <TrueBrain> but ONLY MSVC does :P 14:21:18 <TrueBrain> (virtual folders, that is) 14:21:29 <peter1138> Yeah, these files should perhaps not going in src as they are genearted. 14:21:39 <TrueBrain> I meant outside the generated files 14:21:41 <TrueBrain> just in general 14:21:43 <peter1138> Also there's an odd one in there which is autogenerated, but not completely. 14:21:48 <peter1138> Ah 14:22:02 <TrueBrain> source.list has categories for MSVC projects 14:22:10 <TrueBrain> but most of the files in those categories are in 'src' 14:22:18 <TrueBrain> so .. all non-MSVC people are punished :P 14:22:28 <TrueBrain> possibly 'src' should only contain folders .. 14:22:49 <peter1138> src/newgrf/ 14:24:02 <peter1138> All my C# stuff is one-file-per-class, and mostly namespaces-as-directories 14:24:17 <TrueBrain> THE SANITY! STOP IT! :P 14:24:49 <peter1138> Maybe we should use namespaces... 14:25:24 <peter1138> andythenorth, I've got a kiwi fruit. Not quite a creme egg :( 14:27:09 *** octernion has quit IRC 14:28:22 *** octernion has joined #openttd 14:34:12 *** JacobD88 has joined #openttd 14:43:59 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 14:44:18 <nielsm> hell-o 14:44:22 <TrueBrain> hi :) 14:44:45 <TrueBrain> nielsm: minor request, in markdown, please hit that enter key after every end-of-sentence marker; makes diffs a lot easier :) (minor thingy :P) 14:45:05 <nielsm> your change afterwards reminded me :) 14:45:10 <TrueBrain> :D 14:57:11 <nielsm> so, does anyone remember where the Wentbound save originates from? :) 14:59:26 <nielsm> wentbourne* ... 15:00:04 <peter1138> <peter1138>Testing with a massive savegame I found on the forum that makes my i7 struggle. 15:00:07 <peter1138> Hmm 15:00:27 *** Alberth has joined #openttd 15:00:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alberth 15:00:44 <Alberth> moin 15:00:50 <greeter> greetings Alberth 15:03:13 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 15:04:52 <LordAro> hi hi Alberth 15:05:12 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 15:06:40 <Alberth> not so terribly busy here atm :) 15:07:24 <Alberth> or did everyone agreed on what they should do, and are busy doing that now, perhaps 15:07:56 <andythenorth> we're all tapping our fingers waiting for nml2 15:08:02 <andythenorth> all work stopped :) 15:08:28 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GabdaZM opened pull request #7369: Add: k-d tree element checker function https://git.io/fhjZB 15:11:12 <LordAro> Alberth: you should review some PRs to pass the time ;) 15:12:49 <nielsm> illustration: "do not load wentbourne in a debug build" https://0x0.st/zHgy.jpg 15:14:00 <peter1138> Hmm, should I have the second lotus biscuit? 15:15:03 <peter1138> Too late. 15:16:58 <Alberth> andy: I did ponder on nfo linking, in particular how to do an experiment that's not too much work 15:17:37 *** JacobD88 has quit IRC 15:19:25 <peter1138> orudge, is there a way to search on upload filename on tt-f? 15:22:28 <nielsm> or file size 15:22:44 <TrueBrain> funny .. os2_m.cpp is never compiled 15:22:50 <TrueBrain> when is the last time os2 was tested? :P 15:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> who knows... 15:28:40 *** glx has joined #openttd 15:28:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 15:34:23 <peter1138> os2 was orudge's thing, wasn't it? 15:34:56 <nielsm> I think so yes 15:39:15 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nielsmh updated pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhAzy 15:41:08 <TrueBrain> it used to be that coop provided the most extreme savegames :P 15:41:30 *** acklen has quit IRC 15:43:17 *** acklen has joined #openttd 15:45:20 <nielsm> well ProZone 13 is still also a test case :) 15:47:04 <TrueBrain> meh, SSE fails again with CMake .. setting properties on files is difficult :D 15:49:09 <TrueBrain> set_source_files_properties only works after you added the file to an executable 15:49:22 <TrueBrain> so .. I guess it is not marked as source file before that 15:49:53 *** acklen has quit IRC 15:50:36 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 15:50:54 <TrueBrain> 'Due to historical development reasons, source file properties 15:50:54 <TrueBrain> are scoped only in the directory where they are set.' 15:50:55 <TrueBrain> right 15:54:07 *** acklen has joined #openttd 16:03:22 *** Beerbelott has joined #openttd 16:08:46 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 16:08:49 <TrueBrain> glx: as a FYI, I am doing some massive work in CMake; just in case you were planning to do the same :D 16:09:09 <glx> I'm working on generate_widget :) 16:09:34 <glx> I guess you are replacing add_files with target_sources 16:09:35 <peter1138> Did you look at y branch? 16:09:40 <peter1138> *my 16:10:17 <TrueBrain> glx: not currently, but that is a good idea yes :) 16:11:05 <peter1138> https://github.com/PeterN/OpenTTD/commit/7fd2cad666dfeccb81af2912b2b72e06c72380ec 16:11:09 <peter1138> That is about all I did on that one :p 16:11:23 <glx> btw I have 2 allegro files only in SOURCE_LIST2 16:11:48 <TrueBrain> yup 16:11:53 <TrueBrain> source.list was weird there 16:12:26 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 16:13:47 <glx> https://github.com/glx22/OpenTTD/commit/7231db7b2ffc867c41afcd55d8bb27c590298cef 16:14:01 <glx> that's what I have for now 16:14:10 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 16:14:32 <glx> and I keed the original script_window.hpp to compare my output 16:14:36 <glx> *keep 16:14:55 <peter1138> *nod* 16:15:07 *** Samu has joined #openttd 16:15:15 <TrueBrain> spend 20 minutes figuring out I misspelled CFLAGS :P 16:15:19 <Samu> I created a game with newgrfs, supermop_work 16:16:47 * glx like configure_file() cmake function :) 16:18:41 *** supermop_work__ has joined #openttd 16:19:33 <glx> TrueBrain: I guess you noticed all the ugly stuff in src/os/* just to keep source list parsing output 16:20:27 <glx> mainly for headers, as source files where properly selected in source.list 16:20:49 <glx> but most headers were just added even when unneeded 16:21:31 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 16:21:54 <andythenorth> vehicle variants then? 16:22:10 <andythenorth> Horse 2 is nearly finished, so I need a reason to delay it 16:22:37 <nielsm> did you make the nuclear steam-electric loco yet? 16:22:59 <TrueBrain> glx: fixed that already :) 16:23:32 <glx> :) 16:23:45 <andythenorth> I did not make nuclear electric steam engine no 16:23:47 <glx> but my first step was perfect matching 16:24:06 <andythenorth> nor did I add the parameter to scale intro dates by atrbitrary amount 16:24:16 <andythenorth> Eddi said I wasn't allowed :( 16:25:50 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 16:27:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7369: Add: k-d tree element checker function https://git.io/fhjcN 16:27:19 <peter1138> andythenorth, oh, variants... Hmm. 16:27:35 <andythenorth> think of the liveries I could draw 16:27:38 <peter1138> andythenorth, multitle docks is going well, so... after. 16:27:41 <andythenorth> I could delay Horse for years 16:27:49 <andythenorth> I love multititle docs 16:28:04 <andythenorth> is it a branch yet? 16:28:10 <peter1138> Also, should we add rgb company colours, or just add a fixed set of more (but 8bpp) colours? 16:28:18 <andythenorth> pantones :P 16:28:23 <andythenorth> then we can look up the real liveries 16:28:26 <TrueBrain> glx: I now wrote something that makes sure we can set the sse flags locally, and that it still all works .. its a bit weird :P 16:28:28 <andythenorth> for accuracy 16:28:34 <peter1138> RGB might be "too much choice" ? 16:28:54 <andythenorth> it would for me 16:28:58 <andythenorth> not very TTD 16:29:16 <peter1138> Although it's possible to offer fixed colours which happen to be RGB. 16:29:35 *** Maarten has quit IRC 16:29:36 <andythenorth> https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2015/09/09/three-shades-of-grey-railfreight-1987-corporate-identity-roundel-design-group-uk/ 16:29:48 *** Maarten has joined #openttd 16:29:59 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 16:32:57 <TrueBrain> glx: and now I want to look if add_files() can have a parameter to do the filter, removing this if() debt, which is horrible to read :D 16:33:18 <andythenorth> so I've added spec_flag IND_FLAG_LONG_CARGO_TYPE_LISTS 16:33:33 <andythenorth> now I need to read different bits, and match up the cargos to the industry cargos in the economy 16:34:06 * andythenorth wonders, can we merge 16-cargos yet? 16:34:14 <andythenorth> and have some nml docs? o_O 16:34:38 <glx> TrueBrain: it's easy to add a parameter 16:34:51 *** supermop_work__ has quit IRC 16:35:15 <glx> but the foreach ARGV will need some care 16:36:16 <TrueBrain> yeah, that I now figured out how that should work :) 16:36:26 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/website] nikolas updated pull request #65: Add: Monthly Dev Post of April 2019 https://git.io/fhAzy 16:37:13 <glx> cmake language is quite powerful, but sometimes need ugly solutions 16:39:08 <peter1138> andythenorth, oh yeah, need to fix that bug, eh? 16:39:28 <andythenorth> yuss :) 16:39:36 <TrueBrain> they also have a bad case of "backwards compatibility" 16:40:07 <peter1138> I used to use CMake but got annoyed ;( 16:40:18 <peter1138> It was better than ./waf though. 16:40:27 <TrueBrain> because, for example, with target_sources you can add sources to a target; awesome 16:40:27 <TrueBrain> BUT 16:40:33 <TrueBrain> you cannot create a target without at least a single source 16:49:13 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 16:49:27 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7351: Add: Warn players that company passwords are not truly secure https://git.io/fhhrD 16:50:35 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 16:50:46 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 16:51:31 <TrueBrain> glx: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/e06adaccf5302bcca3a940d77e9a6a55 16:51:33 <TrueBrain> that works now :) 16:52:28 <glx> nice 16:52:38 <TrueBrain> less nesting 16:52:46 <TrueBrain> so video/CMakeLists.txt is somewhat more readable :P 16:52:51 <glx> hehe 16:52:53 <LordAro> purely for interest purposes, i looked up the first reference to "wentbourne" in my logs: 16:53:31 <LordAro> [21:07:08] <peter1138> Testing with a massive savegame I found on the forum that makes my i7 struggle. 16:53:35 <TrueBrain> glx: FILTER a good word? 16:53:40 <TrueBrain> LordAro: peter1138 said so already, yes :) 16:53:57 <glx> so you make a temporary list then append it depending on filter test 16:54:01 <LordAro> TrueBrain: pfft. 16:54:13 <TrueBrain> EXCLUDE_IF ? 16:54:25 <TrueBrain> INCLUDE_IF ? 16:54:28 <TrueBrain> ADD_IF ? 16:55:13 <TrueBrain> ONLY_IF ? 16:55:21 <glx> ADD_IF seems good 16:55:33 <TrueBrain> CONDITIONAL 16:55:34 <TrueBrain> ? 16:55:50 <glx> hmm CONDITION 16:56:09 <glx> like in azure :) 16:57:15 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 17:14:13 <TrueBrain> w00p, this seems to work :) 17:14:22 <TrueBrain> slowly we are creeping to cleaner and cleaner code :) 17:14:32 <nielsm> can we make Window::nested_array a std::vector or something? 17:15:43 <andythenorth> is this like a slow controlled bonfire? :P 17:15:46 * andythenorth likes a bonfire 17:16:06 <TrueBrain> I like bonfires too, as long as they are not inside my house :D 17:18:25 <TrueBrain> lets see what I broke ... 17:18:25 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc 17:22:36 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7351: Add: Warn players that company passwords are not truly secure https://git.io/fhhrD 17:24:05 <TrueBrain> ha, it works :D Sweet :) 17:25:46 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7351: Add: Warn players that company passwords are not truly secure https://git.io/fhjW8 17:26:01 <TrueBrain> except that it doesnt .. 17:26:08 <TrueBrain> I selected too many files for OSX :D 17:26:26 <TrueBrain> yeah, okay, I already was a bit: huh? .. but so that is correct :P 17:27:30 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 17:30:16 <LordAro> nielsm: get the smallvector removal merged first :p 17:30:27 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc 17:32:08 <Alberth> niels: not much use, it never changes after initial construction 17:32:56 <Alberth> TB just deleted all source code :p 17:33:34 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:36:43 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 17:37:58 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 17:40:47 <planetmaker> :P 17:40:58 <glx> pff stupid cmake regex failures 17:41:21 <glx> string sub-command REGEX, mode MATCH regex "" matched an empty string. 17:41:34 <planetmaker> rm -rf / path/to/somewhere ? 17:41:37 <glx> stuff like that is allowed in any other language 17:41:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:42:33 <LordAro> planetmaker: rm -rf /home/$USRE/.myfiles more like 17:43:07 <planetmaker> I left the space in the path deliberately :P 17:43:15 <LordAro> oh i know :p 17:43:30 <LordAro> i think Steam's was rm -rf ~/$SOMEVARIBEL 17:43:41 <planetmaker> yeah, I think so, too 17:43:55 <LordAro> https://github.com/valvesoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671 yup 17:44:45 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 17:45:07 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhjWb 17:45:17 <Alberth> he just updated the PR ".. (and removing all other project-related code)" 17:48:21 <LordAro> pfft, who needed that anyway? 17:49:54 *** Gabda has quit IRC 17:57:04 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:05:34 <peter1138> Hi :) 18:06:49 *** J0anJosep has joined #openttd 18:06:50 <peter1138> Yeah, the std::vector PR needs to be updated and then reviewed. 18:06:59 <peter1138> Hi J0anJosep 18:08:15 <J0anJosep> Hi 18:08:32 <J0anJosep> How is the multidock PR going? 18:09:10 <J0anJosep> I had done some work on it (multidock, ship separation and others). Maybe I can help at some point. 18:09:30 <peter1138> I looked at that in the past but got kinda lost. 18:10:15 <J0anJosep> I can create a separate branch to check it. 18:11:10 <J0anJosep> But I still have to rebase all my previous work to your catchment improvement. 18:11:13 <peter1138> Basically in all my previous attempts I was stumbling on how to efficiently get the docking tiles, without making them "physical" station tiles. 18:11:33 <peter1138> Doing that would be awkward for savegame compatibility. 18:11:38 <J0anJosep> Why not making them physical station tiles? 18:12:00 <peter1138> Because there are plenty of cases where there's no space in an existing game to put a station tile there. 18:12:58 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 18:13:00 <J0anJosep> If you make the tile on the water the tile where ships dock, that is solved. You can then tell specifically which tracks can be used for docking, which prevents weird 45º "docking". 18:14:54 <peter1138> Okay that would work, but I'm not sure. It effectively force-breaks every save. 18:15:07 <J0anJosep> Why? 18:15:56 <peter1138> Because existing docks get changed. 18:17:03 <J0anJosep> You can update them. The only thing is new docks will have a visible tile and and invisible tile, insetad of two visible tiles (the one in a sloped tile and the one in the water.) 18:18:12 <peter1138> Yeah, that "only thing" is what I mean, it's quite a change. 18:22:59 <J0anJosep> I also know this is quite a change, but is doable. Savegame compatibility isn't affected by it. 18:23:35 <J0anJosep> And it also allows for docks in 1-tile wide rivers, without having to terraform the river. 18:24:01 <peter1138> I intend to allow all that, but just keep the existing docks as they are. 18:24:11 <peter1138> Well, appearance-wise, anyway. 18:26:39 <J0anJosep> Ok. Other types of docks? How will they be? 18:27:04 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 18:27:04 <peter1138> However a NewGRF defines them. 18:27:20 <Wolf01> o/ 18:29:11 <peter1138> I'm torn, because the method I've used works. 18:29:36 <peter1138> If it was guaranteed to always have the space I'd just plonk a docking tile down on the end :/ 18:30:56 <J0anJosep> What if there are three different docks with the same docking tile? 18:31:40 <peter1138> Yeah that's also a problem. 18:31:49 <peter1138> Not a problem with your method or my current method. 18:33:28 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 18:33:49 <J0anJosep> Yes. I chose to do it that way because I thought about separating ships as well. 18:34:05 *** andythenorth has joined #openttd 18:34:28 <peter1138> Not show how separating ships is relevant. 18:34:55 <peter1138> *sure 18:35:14 <andythenorth> this is a weird problem to have https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=84949 18:35:17 <J0anJosep> I also thought about doing it adding a new docking tile, but then three different competitors could share the same docking tile. 18:35:53 <andythenorth> ^^ does the OP there just not know about pressing 'escape' 18:36:36 <m3henry> tram > bendy bus > plane > bigger plane > EMU > HST > DMU > 3rd rail EMU. I just need to take a boat and helicopter today and I'll be a transport tycoon 18:36:49 <peter1138> My docking tile is 'virtual' 18:37:36 <peter1138> It's 1 bit in the map array that says signals ships and the PF to do additional stuff. 18:38:54 <peter1138> The bit available on any water tile, and also station tiles (for buoys) & bridge heads (aqueducts). 18:39:03 <J0anJosep> Ok. I was thinking if only 1 ship could be in a tile, sharing that tile could be troublesome. 18:40:55 <peter1138> Okay, so... 18:41:06 *** m3henry has quit IRC 18:41:39 <peter1138> Effectively we'd break backwards compatiblity by making the existing water part the docking tile. 18:41:44 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 18:41:52 <J0anJosep> Why? 18:41:59 <peter1138> But it solves lots of issues in the long run. 18:42:13 <J0anJosep> By the way, your idea looks ok. 18:42:16 <peter1138> J0anJosep, backwards compatibility means it stays the same. 18:42:46 <J0anJosep> I'm lost know. My way makes it breaks backwards compatibility? 18:43:04 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhjlF 18:43:05 <peter1138> Yes, because it changes the visual representation. 18:43:16 <peter1138> I'm not talking about technical compatibility. 18:43:18 <andythenorth> break stuff! 18:43:41 <peter1138> Obviously old saves still load, but the result is differen.t 18:43:53 <m3henry> Are there any save versions which can't be loaded by 1.9.0? 18:44:04 <peter1138> On the other hand, it's appealling because it solves more issues 18:44:15 <peter1138> m3henry, anything from a patchpack :p 18:44:44 <peter1138> Any save from an official version should be loadable. 18:44:44 *** Compu has joined #openttd 18:44:45 <m3henry> well yeah, but you know that's not what I meant 18:44:51 <peter1138> If not, there's a bug. 18:45:00 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 18:45:04 <peter1138> And it's not that improbable, savegame conversion is ... fun. 18:45:23 *** Compu has quit IRC 18:46:15 <m3henry> :3 At what point will maintaining complete backwards compat become too large a burden? 18:47:13 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc 18:47:20 <peter1138> Well... 18:47:39 <peter1138> Usually you only need to take care about converting from the previous to the current version. 18:47:49 <peter1138> Everything before that is handled by the code that's already there. 18:48:27 <peter1138> But it can get awkward when things are shuffled around. We basically do intermediate conversions. 18:50:42 <peter1138> J0anJosep, with my method, when I encounter a tile marked as a docking tile, I have to check all 4 adjacent tiles. 18:51:12 <peter1138> J0anJosep, it's not slow but it's clearly more complex than just checking an actual station tile. 18:51:30 <peter1138> J0anJosep, there's also the extra effort needed to maintain the docking tile flag. 18:52:45 <andythenorth> nielsm: to confirm my understanding....I now check cargos explicitly by label, instead of relying on position? https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Callbacks#Cargo_sub-type_display_for_industries_.2837.29 18:52:49 <J0anJosep> It's not that hard. I discarded that way because it was too complex at the moment I tried it (years ago, few coding experience in OpenTTD). 18:53:10 <nielsm> andythenorth yes 18:53:27 <nielsm> compare bits 16..23 to cargotype("COAL") etc 18:53:32 <peter1138> J0anJosep, simply, making it an actual station tile is superior, apart from having to wipe out the existing water part of the dock. 18:53:48 *** m3henry1 has joined #openttd 18:53:58 <andythenorth> thanks 18:54:00 <J0anJosep> peter1138, if it is more lines of coding but the result is better, go with it. 18:54:08 <andythenorth> think I'll need to wrap that in an economy switch 18:54:20 <peter1138> J0anJosep, i'm leaning to deferring to the community :p 18:54:49 <peter1138> J0anJosep, did you ever do anything with custom graphics or not get that far? 18:55:13 <peter1138> s/custom/NewGRF/ 18:57:38 *** m3henry1 has quit IRC 18:57:38 <andythenorth> hmm 18:57:56 <andythenorth> wonder if I can just set() all the accepted cargos across all economies 18:58:14 <J0anJosep> peter1138, I didn't go that far. But there are 13+16 free bits (even after adding dock tracks, reserved tracks, the edges and the corners of river banks, and trackdir preferences on the map array). I think it should be no problem. 18:58:33 <peter1138> Free bits wasn't an issue I am worried about :) 18:59:07 <J0anJosep> Would be any added problem then? I don't think so. 18:59:27 <peter1138> No problem, just wondering if you'd done anything on it. 18:59:42 <peter1138> If not, that's good because there's no thing to throw away :) 19:00:15 <J0anJosep> Did you do it already? 19:00:24 <peter1138> No, not got that far yet, but I have plans. 19:01:29 *** m3henry has quit IRC 19:02:45 <andythenorth> hmm this is going to be slow to compile 19:03:54 <peter1138> Right, I'm leaving it for now. 19:04:01 <peter1138> #7364 needs attention. 19:04:16 <peter1138> I'm concerned about adding flags to say a callback result is invalid. 19:04:22 * andythenorth wonders about an nml linter 19:04:38 <andythenorth> it's tedious waiting 40s for a syntax error 19:08:36 <peter1138> Hmm, if I disable the group, will it still load, or throw a different error. 19:10:34 <peter1138> dbg: [grf] [d/firs.grf:3341] GetGroupFromGroupID(0xF6:0x89): Groupid 0x00F6 does not exist, leaving empty 19:10:39 <peter1138> Hmm, I guess that still works. 19:11:13 <peter1138> Means you can't have diagnostics. 19:11:33 <andythenorth> do we have some problems with windows not being marked dirty? 19:11:46 <peter1138> andythenorth, be more specific please. 19:11:47 <andythenorth> industry window notably, and newgrf industry debug 19:11:59 <andythenorth> I've also got station signs missing parts 19:12:12 <andythenorth> I'll see if it's reproducible 19:12:25 <peter1138> Station signs missing parts would be something for nielsm to look into. 19:12:39 <peter1138> I never use the newgrf debug windows so ... no idea. 19:14:24 <andythenorth> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9300/dirty.png 19:14:41 <andythenorth> also industry text failing to update / misdrawn, but harder to repro 19:14:42 *** Thedarkb-T60 has joined #openttd 19:14:42 <peter1138> Massive font. 19:15:50 <andythenorth> just checking my branch to see if it's something weird locally 19:16:29 <andythenorth> I was messing around with SDL PR, and blitters 19:17:09 <andythenorth> classic "I can't just post a savegame" 19:17:19 <andythenorth> due to unreleased + broken newgrfs 19:19:32 <nielsm> https://github.com/nielsmh/OpenTTD/commit/975c443c5510826add71f8561bf9901daee9bffd <-- wild ideas running wild, or something to pursue? 19:20:29 <andythenorth> is there a TL;DR spec in bullet points? o_O 19:20:34 <nielsm> nope 19:20:47 <andythenorth> in principle offering GS control of zones is potentially interesting 19:20:48 <nielsm> but read zone_type.h it should show most ideas 19:20:59 <nielsm> yeah GS control is one goal 19:21:35 <andythenorth> I have long wanted GS based on opening up a map 19:21:43 <andythenorth> (removing restrictions as reward for completing goals) 19:21:49 <nielsm> railroad tycoon 2 allowed some potentially interesting gameplay with territories granting you permissions after achieving goals/hitting marks 19:21:52 <andythenorth> yes 19:21:54 <andythenorth> all of that 19:21:59 <andythenorth> the problem I forsee 19:22:07 <andythenorth> is that realistically I will never ever write a GS 19:22:10 <nielsm> :D 19:22:14 <andythenorth> and not many other people do 19:22:22 <nielsm> ow, late, need to get food before everything closes 19:22:22 <nielsm> bbl 19:22:23 <andythenorth> otherwise it's great :P 19:22:43 <nielsm> there should also be tools for setting it up in scenario editor without GS :) 19:23:07 <nielsm> so you could do dumb things like make a map where each company has an island to themselves and can't interfere 19:23:09 <andythenorth> ha 19:23:24 <andythenorth> I can't repro this dirty redraw bug (signs screenshot) 19:23:43 <andythenorth> I tried things like SDL recently, maybe I had a bad configure or something 19:24:30 * andythenorth deletes the screenshot 19:29:46 <nielsm> hmm, I guess "bedrock mountain" might not be a great zone after all? since it's not quite exclusive with being a territory 19:30:46 <nielsm> unless maybe restricting towns from building on it at all? 19:31:49 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 19:48:58 *** octernion has quit IRC 19:56:35 <peter1138> Hmm 20:02:49 *** octernion has joined #openttd 20:08:09 *** Alberth has left #openttd 20:12:27 <andythenorth> now what eh? 20:12:43 <Wolf01> Party time 20:12:55 <peter1138> Now what 20:13:09 <peter1138> Should I "break" existing savegames by turning the water-part of docks into the docking tile?> 20:14:29 <Wolf01> Why not 20:15:11 <peter1138> Well I don't think we've ever done a change like that before 20:15:38 <andythenorth> 2.0.0 20:15:43 <andythenorth> major version API change 20:15:50 <andythenorth> save up a few other things to go with it 20:15:59 <nielsm> if some saves may fail to load that's def. version 2.0 20:16:03 <andythenorth> or make a savegame migration tool 20:16:04 <andythenorth> :P 20:16:10 <peter1138> Jesus 20:16:17 <peter1138> No, savegames won't fail to load. 20:16:27 <andythenorth> it just changes behaviour, yes? 20:16:27 <peter1138> And no, fuck waiting around for a mythical 2.0.0 20:16:34 *** m3henry has joined #openttd 20:16:58 <peter1138> Hmm, I might simplify this PR to make it backportable. 20:16:59 <andythenorth> 5th November 2019 20:17:01 <nielsm> so if the docking tile is blocked by something else, does the dock then disappear or what happens? 20:17:11 <andythenorth> 2.0.0, bonfire party! 20:17:35 <TrueBrain> your place? 20:18:06 <peter1138> nielsm, the part of a dock that is on water will turn into effectively a water tile (but it's a station tile) 20:18:13 <peter1138> It can't be blocked. 20:18:34 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: not yours? 20:18:48 <TrueBrain> a bonfire in nov? Are you crazy? 20:18:54 <TrueBrain> I was assuming it was indoors at your place :) 20:19:06 <andythenorth> we are celebrating an English hero that day 20:19:21 <andythenorth> a man who was legally killed for trying to blow up our democracy 20:19:23 <TrueBrain> nobody cares about that :P 20:19:51 <andythenorth> we do, much fireworks 20:19:57 <peter1138> Okay, I had my fish. 20:19:59 <TrueBrain> 2 months later again fireworks 20:20:04 <peter1138> What's for dessert? 20:20:05 <TrueBrain> you love your fireworks 20:20:12 <TrueBrain> peter1138: a bonfire? 20:24:18 *** supermop_work has joined #openttd 20:24:21 <andythenorth> yes a bonfire 20:24:32 <LordAro> smoked fish is very nice 20:24:33 <andythenorth> flames are so entrancing 20:24:38 <andythenorth> as is deleting stuff 20:24:40 <nielsm> I remembered I have ice cream in the freezer 20:24:57 <andythenorth> can't burn that 20:24:59 <andythenorth> silly 20:25:08 *** supermop_work_ has joined #openttd 20:25:16 <andythenorth> so is that nml 16-cargo PR done? 20:25:48 <nielsm> doubt it 20:25:50 <andythenorth> https://github.com/andythenorth/firs/tree/v4-development-track 20:25:58 <andythenorth> FIRS exercises some of the spec there 20:26:10 <peter1138> What's needed? 20:26:19 <peter1138> Doesn't it work? 20:26:22 <andythenorth> accept / produce props, produce block, cb 37, new flag, and new tile flag 20:26:32 <andythenorth> everything I tried so far works now 20:26:44 <andythenorth> 'works' = nml compiles it 20:27:04 <andythenorth> and with #7364 it works in OpenTTD as expected 20:27:23 <andythenorth> not saying it's 'done done' and bug free, but we have .z versions for bug fixes eh? 20:27:37 <andythenorth> nml needs to get out there, it will only find bugs by authors using it 20:28:17 <andythenorth> is this PR up to date? https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/15 20:28:21 <m3henry> These merge conflicts are rather confusing 20:28:24 <andythenorth> I can't keep up with who has rebased what 20:29:12 <nielsm> I think I may have had a dream about some kind of nml2 syntax recently, and I'm not sure that is healthy 20:29:26 <andythenorth> I've done worse 20:29:26 <nielsm> but I don't remember any specifics 20:31:24 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on pull request #15: Industries: support 16 cargos in / 16 cargos out https://git.io/fhjBi 20:31:47 <andythenorth> planetmaker: ^ I'm proposing that we approve that, ship it, and wait for bug reports 20:31:50 <andythenorth> dunno though 20:32:03 <andythenorth> the error handling of the old prod. cb formats is poor 20:32:14 <andythenorth> that could be fixed in a future release 20:32:20 *** supermop_work has quit IRC 20:32:23 <andythenorth> nml needs to scorch the earth a bit, and just get into use 20:35:39 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7364: Fix e66cec8f86: Permit loading of industry production callback with invalid cargo type. https://git.io/fhhbB 20:37:50 <peter1138> Hmm... 20:38:25 <peter1138> So... ditch half of my multiple docks patch and go with butchering the existing docks? 20:38:49 <peter1138> Is that too much change, aesthetically? 20:39:27 <andythenorth> picture? 20:39:39 <andythenorth> what gets the most interesting result? 20:40:05 <m3henry> Oh I get it, st->industries_near has been changed to std::vector by someone else right? 20:40:50 <peter1138> m3henry, it's a std::set now 20:40:59 <m3henry> right 20:41:17 <peter1138> StationList as well. 20:42:15 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhjRs 20:43:15 <andythenorth> anyone else want to approve this? https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/15 20:43:22 <andythenorth> it's my PR, so I shouldn't 20:43:39 <peter1138> No. 20:43:40 <nielsm> should it be squashed or used as-is? 20:43:43 <peter1138> I needs to be squashed. 20:43:46 <peter1138> *It 20:43:52 <peter1138> Well, you could do a squash commit, I suppose. 20:44:06 <andythenorth> there's a button right there in GH :P 20:44:52 <peter1138> We definitely don't want that kind of history in repos :p 20:44:59 <andythenorth> certainly, I would place a small bet that nobody else is going to test that PR :) 20:45:18 <andythenorth> we have a handful of nml industry sets, and not many of those authors can install nml from a PR 20:45:21 <peter1138> 1 commit may be too little. 20:45:30 <peter1138> Should I manually squash bits? 20:45:37 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:45:56 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 20:46:02 <peter1138> Hmm, no, I'm busy :p 20:48:59 <andythenorth> just squash it to one, move on? 20:56:57 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/docks3.png 20:56:59 <peter1138> ^ looks like that. 20:57:54 <LordAro> so what's wrong with 2 tile docks? 20:58:01 <LordAro> i've not been paying attention 20:59:06 *** cHawk has quit IRC 21:01:05 <peter1138> Nothing as such, but you can't reliably convert them to be 3 tile docks (3rd tile as an actual station tile but just water) 21:01:18 <peter1138> This is a 2 tile dock still, just the second part is water. 21:01:36 <LordAro> why do we want 3 tile docks? 21:01:43 <peter1138> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/43006711/51429883-75516f80-1c0b-11e9-83b0-6752626cabd8.png 21:02:06 *** supermop_work_ has quit IRC 21:02:07 <peter1138> By making the 3rd tile an actual station tile, it simplifies a lot. 21:02:54 <LordAro> how aren't they already effectively 3 tiles long then? 21:02:55 <peter1138> That image handily illustrates why the docking tile can't be converted. 21:03:09 <peter1138> the tile at the end is not part of the station 21:03:19 <peter1138> It is where the ship loads, though. 21:03:32 <peter1138> Basically all vehicles stop ON a station tile to do loading 21:03:34 <peter1138> Except ships. 21:04:10 <peter1138> I'm of the opinion that changing the way docks work like this is unacceptable. 21:04:52 <peter1138> Er, "like this" ... i specifically mean replacing the 2nd part with something that looks like water. 21:05:31 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/docks1.png 21:05:36 <peter1138> This is what I have working in my branch. 21:05:59 <peter1138> the red square is just debugging 21:06:14 <LordAro> but that image is post-samu patch, isn't it? did that get merged? 21:06:18 <peter1138> Each red square is a regular water tile with a special flag in the map array that says it is a docking tile. 21:06:54 <peter1138> LordAro, it illustrates the current possibilities of docks. 21:07:21 <peter1138> samu's patch was about the ability to place docks in those locations, which is not possible, but you can terraform or place buoys afterwards. 21:07:34 <LordAro> ah, i see 21:07:37 <LordAro> hmm 21:07:38 <peter1138> But samu's patch is irrelevant here, just a handy picture :) 21:07:55 <peter1138> So with the "red square method"... 21:08:28 <peter1138> There's a bit in the map array, and if a ship/pf encounters it, it has to look at the 4 adjacent tiles to see what to do. 21:08:48 <peter1138> Kinda ugly, but does work. And doesn't "break" docks like in docks3.png 21:09:29 <andythenorth> replace everything with docking tiles, build objects for the quays and stuff? 21:09:35 <andythenorth> or rail station tiles? 21:09:46 <andythenorth> marico and friends? 21:09:50 <peter1138> LordAro, and andythenorth misses the point :) 21:10:32 * andythenorth reads again :P 21:10:41 <peter1138> andythenorth, and no, a dock tile has to be a dock tile, not a "newobject" 21:11:00 <andythenorth> the tile would be a dock tile 21:11:11 <andythenorth> hmm 21:12:15 <andythenorth> mmmmm.....marico https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=52035 21:14:34 <peter1138> Yeah, well, part of this plan is use-newobjects-style graphics chain, but with station variables. 21:14:40 <peter1138> Might need some duplication. 21:14:56 <peter1138> Things like platforms etc are irrelevant, cos it's a rail station. 21:20:07 <andythenorth> oof, so is anyone ever going to write a GS? o_O 21:20:38 <andythenorth> it's been about 8 years :) 21:22:29 <peter1138> There's lots of them? 21:23:57 <peter1138> LordAro, so yeah. "removing" the part on water is a no go, right? 21:25:17 <LordAro> peter1138: i wouldn't like it, anyway :p 21:25:38 <peter1138> I better edit landscape_grid.html then :) 21:28:15 <peter1138> Oh, and of course, I think it will be possible to make dock tiles which a docking tiles in the future. 21:28:22 <peter1138> Just not for the existing docks. 21:29:03 <LordAro> just not necessarily for existing docks 21:29:36 <peter1138> Well, awkwardly, going that route means this map bit only needed for old maps. Hmmmmm... 21:29:44 <peter1138> Maybe I should come up with a different way. 21:30:01 <LordAro> how awful would it be for old style docks (with no position in front of them) to use the 2nd dock tile instead? 21:30:34 <peter1138> Didn't we agree that it's not good? 21:30:43 <peter1138> Hmm 21:30:48 <LordAro> i mean just clip through it 21:31:00 <peter1138> Oh. 21:31:02 <peter1138> ew. 21:31:06 <LordAro> yeah 21:31:18 <LordAro> but the number of docks like that must be very small 21:33:19 <LordAro> the number of docks that either have had land terraformed in front of them or had a buoy placed in front of them must be vanishingly small 21:33:45 <peter1138> So convert to 2 tile dock if it can't be converted to a 3 tile dock? 21:33:53 *** gelignite has quit IRC 21:34:03 <LordAro> i'm wildly speculating, but yeah 21:34:16 <andythenorth> seems plausible 21:34:28 <andythenorth> fallback 21:35:33 <peter1138> Hmm, catchment... 21:35:52 <andythenorth> there's always something :P 21:36:06 <LordAro> well station catchment has already been changed 21:36:12 <peter1138> Yup 21:37:34 <peter1138> Also oil rigs. 21:37:40 *** octernion has quit IRC 21:37:40 <peter1138> They "just work" right now. 21:38:14 <LordAro> maybe a good time to properly remove oil rig's specialness? :p 21:38:25 <LordAro> oil rigs'* 21:40:06 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:47:14 *** synchris has quit IRC 21:47:24 <nielsm> and make industries with own road stops too? 21:47:41 <nielsm> somehow industries with own rail stations?! 21:47:48 <LordAro> haha 21:50:35 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] M3Henry updated pull request #7165: [core] Implement SmallVector using std::vector https://git.io/fhSz0 21:51:02 <andythenorth> airports! 21:51:43 <andythenorth> where's my industry airport screenshot :P 21:51:50 <andythenorth> I've lost it 21:52:10 <nielsm> airport industry? 21:52:24 <nielsm> airport owned by a third party and you rent terminals at it 21:53:41 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] M3Henry updated pull request #7165: [core] Implement SmallVector using std::vector https://git.io/fhSz0 21:53:57 <andythenorth> there was a patch for arbitrary airports at industries 21:55:13 <peter1138> airports at industries? 21:55:17 <peter1138> Hm 21:56:12 <andythenorth> it was a yexo patch 21:56:27 <andythenorth> related to https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=45654 21:59:58 <andythenorth> found some nfo for it :P 22:00:13 <andythenorth> I probably have a test grf in forum pms somewhere 22:00:25 <andythenorth> I think it was a wind turbine that a helicopter could land on 22:01:23 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 22:02:19 <m3henry> hopefully that was the last rebase 22:07:04 <peter1138> andythenorth, hmm, source no longer available. 22:07:40 <andythenorth> oh dear :| 22:07:48 <andythenorth> hmm, bedtime also 22:07:51 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:11:57 <peter1138> TrueBrain, is it possible to access the old hg.openttd.org repos somehow? 22:12:21 <peter1138> TrueBrain, or at least long enough to make a clone of it all... 22:12:52 <TrueBrain> sure. what patch do you have that is only there? :p 22:12:54 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I mean the stuff under hg.openttd.org/developers/ 22:12:58 <peter1138> Haha 22:13:06 <peter1138> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/yexo/airports.hg/ 22:13:10 <peter1138> Was looking at ^ 22:13:16 <peter1138> Dunno what it is, never seen it :p 22:13:23 <peter1138> But of course the link is no more. 22:13:39 <TrueBrain> give me a moment .. need to boot my PC and stuff 22:13:43 <peter1138> Oh 22:13:47 <peter1138> It's not that important! 22:14:12 <TrueBrain> nah. small effort :) 22:17:05 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 22:17:30 <peter1138> Oh dear. 22:17:48 <peter1138> I need to allow bridges above station tiles :p 22:17:56 *** nielsm has quit IRC 22:20:04 <TrueBrain> right; hg .. where are they hiding .. 22:21:47 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhj0p 22:23:19 <TrueBrain> wow .. that was 3 server-iterations ago :D 22:23:32 <peter1138> o_O 22:23:40 *** Laedek_ has quit IRC 22:25:07 <TrueBrain> send you the tarball in PM 22:25:14 <TrueBrain> that is a tarball of the server-side hg repo 22:25:17 <TrueBrain> no clue what is in there, etc 22:25:40 <TrueBrain> possibly the answer to world peace 22:25:41 <peter1138> Thanks., 22:25:55 <TrueBrain> I assume you can figure out how to get information out of it? :) 22:26:15 <peter1138> $ hg clone airports.hg airports 22:26:29 <peter1138> Gives me a regular tree. 22:26:36 <TrueBrain> cool :D 22:26:37 <peter1138> Of course, it's hg so makes no sense, but other than that... ;) 22:26:48 <TrueBrain> convert to git and put it on GitHub? :P 22:26:51 <peter1138> Heh, hg log doesn't page :D 22:26:56 <peter1138> Praps 22:26:57 <TrueBrain> anyway, enjoy :D If you need any other, lemme know! 22:27:00 <peter1138> Thanks 22:27:11 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ 22:27:13 <TrueBrain> no problem 22:27:38 <TrueBrain> we have backups of backups of backups of old servers, so yeah :D Happy they are useful :P 22:28:14 <TrueBrain> "Subscriptions 683"; tnx GitHub .... nice to know .. I follow ... 600+ things ... 22:28:25 <peter1138> Hm, 2010. 22:28:39 <peter1138> Nice :) 22:29:00 <TrueBrain> there was some dust involved :P 22:29:04 <LordAro> TrueBrain: mine said "1000+" and then i decided to close the tab 22:29:23 <TrueBrain> yeah ... I unwatched OpenTTD a while ago :D (well .. I watch releases) 22:29:38 <TrueBrain> I don't understand how watching is useful for these kind of repositories 22:29:47 <LordAro> mm, i should probably unwatch 22:29:53 <TrueBrain> just a notification when something is created 22:29:54 <TrueBrain> that is what I want 22:29:59 <TrueBrain> not all things happening with it from there 22:31:02 <peter1138> Hmm, I think this is just the trunk branch. Odd. 22:31:09 <TrueBrain> no branches in there? 22:31:15 <peter1138> Just "default" 22:32:51 <TrueBrain> no, there are merges in there 22:33:03 <TrueBrain> so I guess somewhere deep down is something of interest 22:33:07 <peter1138> LordAro, hmm... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/docks4.png 22:33:11 <peter1138> Oh 22:33:31 <TrueBrain> 16249 for example 22:33:37 <TrueBrain> lot of syncing :D 22:33:38 <LordAro> peter1138: hmm 22:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> rebasing a branch with existing sync commits is somewhat of a pain 22:34:32 <TrueBrain> so yeah, without an upstream attached to this .. this is difficult to see 22:34:52 <peter1138> Yeah, it's like a "standalone" branch :/ 22:34:59 <peter1138> 1 clone per feature? o_O 22:35:02 <peter1138> LordAro, is it terrible? 22:35:14 <LordAro> peter1138: better than just clipping, i guess 22:35:38 <LordAro> and as long as its only a possibility for the "legacy" docks 22:36:13 <TrueBrain> the diff is pretty big 22:37:15 <TrueBrain> peter1138: https://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/found-old-stuff-for-peter1138/yexo_airports.patch.txt 22:37:52 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:38:00 <TrueBrain> I did a git clone, changed to the latest sync version, removed all the files, copied the hg clone content in there 22:38:03 <TrueBrain> and there you have it :P 22:38:09 <TrueBrain> lost the history, got the content :D 22:38:16 <LordAro> that looks suspiciously like newgrf airports :o 22:38:26 <TrueBrain> possibly because it is? :P 22:38:30 <LordAro> maybe! 22:39:02 *** Smedles has quit IRC 22:39:18 <peter1138> Wait what, we already have newgrf_airport and newgrf_airporttiles? 22:39:21 <TrueBrain> sorry for the patch extension; it was refusing to show .patch inline :P 22:39:36 <peter1138> Thanks TrueBrain 22:39:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the only thing missing from newgrf airports is state machines 22:39:58 <peter1138> I... 22:40:01 <peter1138> I had no idea. 22:40:04 <peter1138> What does the current stuff do? o_O 22:40:08 <peter1138> Do newgrfs exist? 22:40:09 *** Smedles has joined #openttd 22:40:12 <TrueBrain> right, I am off to bed :) Night all! 22:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause> OpenGFX+Airports 22:40:17 <LordAro> opengfx+ airports is a thing 22:40:27 <Eddi|zuHause> mostly, providing alternate graphics and rotating 22:40:30 <LordAro> reskins and rotations 22:40:32 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: echo 22:40:36 <Beerbelott> gn TrueBrain 22:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: Otto 22:41:04 <peter1138> Small Seaplane Port 22:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause> (sorry, that was from a silly scene from a comedy movie like 30 years ago) 22:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: yeah, airport tiles can be on water, like industry tiles 22:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: there's just no check to only allow seaplanes 22:42:06 <peter1138> And this has been there for 9+ years... 22:42:07 <peter1138> WTF... 22:42:28 <peter1138> Oh 22:42:37 <peter1138> Can't place a seaplane port on water... 22:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> must be on the shore, afaik 22:42:56 <peter1138> No, it must be on land. 22:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hu? 22:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i never tried 22:43:25 <peter1138> Oh, now I'm seeing glitching station signs :/ 22:44:56 <peter1138> Hmm, well, time for a debug build. 22:50:36 <peter1138> Urgh, blocked oilrig... 22:50:59 <peter1138> scrollto 0x393fc 22:51:01 <peter1138> erm 22:51:44 <LordAro> peter1138: can't really just remove a tile from the oilrig :p 22:52:05 <peter1138> Oh 22:52:27 <peter1138> Just remembered also that multiple docks can currently 'share' the 3rd tile. 22:52:41 <peter1138> Different stations, different owners even. 22:52:45 <LordAro> oho 22:53:04 <peter1138> And this method fails for oilrigs yes. 22:55:41 <peter1138> With my 'first' method none of that matters. 22:55:44 <peter1138> Hmm 22:56:02 <peter1138> And actually I can easily make all tiles around an oil-rig be docking tiles. 22:56:49 *** Beerbelott has left #openttd 22:57:26 <peter1138> Although that requires a bit extra effort in my "flood" routine. 23:03:37 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 23:04:49 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 23:06:24 <LordAro> peter1138: did you say that the fluidsynth PR didn't make any difference? Can you comment on it as such so it doesn't get merged "accidentally" ? 23:08:12 <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #7365: Fix: Fluidsynth should not try to lock sample data in memory https://git.io/fhjEj 23:08:26 *** J0anJosep has quit IRC 23:08:38 *** m3henry has quit IRC 23:09:23 <Samu> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7294 bah... newgrfs solves everything 23:09:35 <Samu> I was wondering where did this go... 23:10:24 *** TrueBrain_ has joined #openttd 23:11:15 *** TrueBrain_ii has quit IRC 23:11:28 <peter1138> " actually I can easily make all tiles around an oil-rig " ahhahahaa 23:11:30 <peter1138> easily 23:11:31 *** TrueBrain has quit IRC 23:12:05 *** TrueBrain has joined #openttd 23:12:30 <peter1138> GFX_OILRIG_1 23:12:35 <peter1138> I think that's a bad test... so no. 23:12:41 <peter1138> OH.... 23:13:53 <peter1138> Industry::GetByTile(tile)->neutral_station != NULL 23:14:08 <peter1138> lol crash 23:15:47 <peter1138> Hmm 23:15:51 <peter1138> Well... that works 23:16:51 <Samu> is there actually a newgrf that disables rail/road crossings? 23:17:29 <peter1138> Probaly just one to test the feature :p 23:18:45 <peter1138> LordAro, my ... earlier version ... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/docks5.png 23:18:56 <peter1138> red square inside the depot... 23:20:09 <Samu> so, forbidding multi-engine trains is also another newgrf solves request 23:20:31 <peter1138> definitely. 23:20:31 <Samu> why do you hate the base set so much 23:21:17 <LordAro> blame Chris Sawyer 23:21:52 <Samu> i blame newgrfs 23:22:04 <peter1138> OH MY GOD 23:22:16 <peter1138> Wentbourne in debug mode :/ 23:22:45 <LordAro> how many spf ? 23:22:49 <peter1138> :) 23:23:24 <peter1138> Hmm, this ship save is a bit slower, I think. 23:25:07 <peter1138> Not one of these 4,966 ships is an oil tanker. 23:26:10 <Samu> I don't even know how to make a newgrf 23:26:23 <peter1138> 5ms penalty :( 23:27:00 <peter1138> So multiple docks slows the same down again. 23:27:06 <peter1138> I mean, obviously it would, but... 23:27:25 <peter1138> same->game 23:30:28 <peter1138> Hmm, I know what that will be. 23:30:34 <peter1138> Maybe. 23:31:48 <peter1138> Eh, kinda. 23:34:17 <peter1138> Hmm, station rect needs to be updated. Boo. 23:53:17 *** Oroburos has joined #openttd 23:54:57 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 23:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <peter1138> " actually I can easily make all tiles around an oil-rig " ahhahahaa <-- what about other newgrf industries which have an oilrig station?