Log for #openttd on 15th October 2019:
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03:41:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] bryan-lunt commented on issue #7623: Support for macOS Catalina.
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08:06:08  <crem> 0 is like 1/20 of a steam engine in openttd!
08:12:55  <crem> btw that "local authority refuses to allow this" thingy is pretty small detail of the game, but still it seems it would be worth fixing.  It's a fine idea, but pretty awkward implementation. Especially given that solution is planting lots of trees, which you usually chop right away because you place station on top.
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08:59:42  <peter1138> load average: 266.00, 264.13, 254.35
08:59:44  <peter1138> Hmmz
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09:34:48  <LordAro> peter1138: that seems high
09:35:44  <andythenorth> minecraft is CPU intensive eh?
09:37:50  <crem> Probably computing path-based signals. :-P
09:42:14  <peter1138> Disk failure on my old server. Which is nice :(
09:42:31  <andythenorth> ouch
09:43:03  <peter1138> Yes, my stupid fault for not having backups. Who'd'a thunk it.
09:43:22  <peter1138> One of those "it's on RAID but it's not important" things.
09:43:54  <andythenorth> but...RAID 10 is invincible?
09:44:05  <peter1138> So, er, there's a few OpenTTD patches missing :p
09:44:58  <andythenorth> all code dies
09:45:08  <peter1138> Urgh.
09:45:11  <andythenorth> you just avoided bureaucracy around PRs and stuff :P
09:45:15  <andythenorth> think of the time saved
09:45:18  <crem> One strategy is to always buy crappiest disks possible. I did that from 1998 till 2010 and every year there was at least 1 failed disk. Made me not forget about backups!  And now I use higher quality disks and don't do backups, will bite me soon!
09:45:54  <peter1138> Yeah, the issue is it's never had disk errors, and still doesn't show the normal read/write errors. It just freezes.
09:46:00  <andythenorth> I assume it's all on dropbox or something
09:46:04  <andythenorth> that will burn me one day
09:46:09  <peter1138> And it is software RAID, so not being hidden by a RAID controller either.
09:46:35  <peter1138> No SMART errors either.
09:46:51  <peter1138> Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], is in SLEEP mode, suspending checks
09:46:57  <peter1138> It's put itself to sleep :p
09:47:07  <crem> disks are expensive. :( They stopped following Moore's law 15 years ago and don't really grow in last 10 years.
09:47:35  <crem> And it means backups are expensive.
09:48:42  <peter1138> These are 500GB PATA disks, so, er, yeah, quite old.
09:49:18  <crem> Tape is expensive too. It's only ~2 times cheaper in a limit, and that "limit" starts at petabytes scale, totally unfeasible for home use.
09:49:54  <peter1138> Also, copying from MicroSD to my NAS is really slow :(
09:50:53  <crem> Yeah it's also one way in which hard disks didn't develop.  Internet speed is faster than disk speed!   That was unbelievable 15 years ago.
09:51:36  <peter1138> Well, that's my NAS being shit. Single-core ARM, I believe.
09:51:48  <peter1138> And the MicroSD is the boot disk in a Raspberry Pi.
09:52:19  <peter1138> (I grabbed files from the server last night down to the pi, now I'm backing those files up onto the NAS)
09:52:31  <peter1138> ((But I couldn't grab /home from the server))
09:52:40  <andythenorth> crem: internet speed is very not faster than disk speed for me :D
09:52:53  <peter1138> Heh, yeah, true that.
09:53:31  <peter1138> I'm guessing a SATA/PATA or USB/PATA adapter will cope really badly with disk errors. Hmm.
09:53:34  <andythenorth> oof
09:53:47  <peter1138> I wonder if I have a machine lying around with PATA ports...
09:53:53  <crem> I have symmetric gigabit at home. And there are ISPs that offer 10 gigabit, but I don't have either network adapter for that or any idea what I would use it for.
09:54:02  <peter1138> Should do, I think my optical drives in my last machine were PATA.
09:54:05  <andythenorth> gigabit not gigabyte though :)
09:54:14  <andythenorth> my disk does 2.5GB/s
09:54:32  <peter1138> andythenorth, that'll be an SSD, not a HDD.
09:54:59  <andythenorth> peter1138: I have an old firewire 400 enclosure in the loft somewhere, might be PATA if you get desperate :P
09:55:12  <andythenorth> I have a SATA USB2 thing somewhere, not seen PATA for years
09:55:18  <andythenorth> sure it's not SCSI? :)
09:58:33  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TheDude-gh opened pull request #7771: Add: UDP query of game script
10:11:55  <peter1138> Heh
10:14:18  <LordAro> they actually made PATA disks with 500G?
10:14:34  <peter1138> Yes.
10:14:57  <peter1138> odel Family:     Western Digital Caviar Blue EIDE
10:15:09  <peter1138> User Capacity:    500,107,862,016 bytes [500 GB]
10:17:58  <LordAro> nice
10:18:07  <LordAro> power on hours?
10:18:24  <LordAro> i did once have a disk that overflowed its 16bit hour count
10:32:26  * andythenorth is very hungry
10:32:34  <andythenorth> I have solved at least 2 problems since breakfast
10:32:40  <andythenorth> requires food
10:34:28  <peter1138> 95894 hours.
10:34:46  <peter1138> Hmm, 11 years.
10:34:48  <peter1138> Done well.
10:35:42  <peter1138> Power cycle count... 22.
10:35:53  <andythenorth> MTBF
10:36:01  <andythenorth> 'probably fine'
10:37:03  <LordAro> peter1138: nice
10:37:58  <peter1138> And it's a blue edition, not a server or NAS edition.
10:38:11  <andythenorth> £200 well spent
10:38:53  <peter1138>
11:33:14  <crem> Oh, enabled maintenance costs.. Using signal on every second cell is quite expensive!
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12:07:59  <Sacro> Yeah...  that's hitting me hard
12:08:03  <Sacro> And using 80mph track
12:24:26  <andythenorth> super hungry
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12:49:54  <crem> Maintenance cost keeps game interesting economywise longer.
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13:23:08  <andythenorth> oof still not lunch
13:23:13  * andythenorth mistakes were made
13:29:47  <andythenorth> eh validator passes, WAVE passes, contrast checker passes
13:29:48  <andythenorth> hurrah
13:29:55  * andythenorth making a web page
13:37:30  <crem> Another observation.. Vehicle breakdowns are fine.. But what is not fine, is SOUND when they do that! Sound is the only reason I keep breakdowns settings to "reduced".
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14:22:43  <planetmaker> yay... "I've been to your download page and got 1.9.3 macosx but i just get a message from my Imac to put it into the trash bin as the developer can’t be verified. ". Seems obligatory signing of executables on OSX is starting to make live a lot easier...
14:22:51  <planetmaker> (quote from an e-mail to info@ )
14:27:19  <andythenorth> if their OS is Catalina
14:27:35  <andythenorth> the current mac blogworld advice is "don't upgrade"
14:27:37  <planetmaker> yes... I pointed him to
14:27:52  <andythenorth> I nearly commented on that this morning
14:28:25  <andythenorth> as far as I can tell from the ars review, gatekeeper should not be worse for Catalina than Mojave
14:28:36  <andythenorth> we don't sign anyway, so we shouldn't need to notarise
14:29:26  <planetmaker> there's a lot of "should" in the sentences :P
14:29:35  <planetmaker> Sounds like a clash with reality ;)
14:29:51  <andythenorth>
14:30:38  <planetmaker> I see
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14:32:32  <andythenorth> generally I'm +1 to the notarisation, but it might kill the mac port of OpenTTD
14:32:43  <andythenorth> it's signposted as becoming more restrictive in future
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14:40:45  <FLHerne> Is there any reason why OpenTTD can't just get signed?
14:42:28  <crem> I think main reason is that it's not free.
14:45:10  <peter1138> r10130 opengl.diff. HJmm.
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15:01:12  <planetmaker> yes... signing for sure will become mandatory...
15:01:54  <planetmaker> I can see reasons for the notarization... but there's also a lot of cons. It's tightening the locks on the golden cage(s)
15:04:57  <planetmaker> so yes... it probably fails on "needs an apple developer account" etc :|
15:05:05  <planetmaker> sad
15:05:31  <planetmaker> they definitely don't come for free... even years back they were like 100€ or something. For a year?
15:06:01  <andythenorth> did we port OpenTTD for MMORG browser game yet?
15:07:19  <planetmaker> hmpf
15:07:52  <planetmaker> So ... it definitely will need making some OpenTTD organization which counts as legal entity. That could indeed also solve the issue with OpenTTD in the MS store
15:08:25  <planetmaker> grmpf
15:08:27  <milek7> windows smartscreen throws scary warnings too. at least it stops after a while each binary is available
15:08:38  <andythenorth> OpenTTD Foundation :P
15:08:47  <andythenorth> who owns the domain and the bank account anyway?
15:08:53  <planetmaker> mr o
15:09:40  <planetmaker> foundation is not so far fetched as it actually sounds. But I'm not sure how much burocracy it needs
15:10:48  <planetmaker> <-- hehe
15:11:34  <planetmaker> I actually wonder... how much legal status that still has :D
15:13:13  <nielsm> a signing cert for windows distributions would also be good yes
15:13:57  <andythenorth> my experience is limited to
15:14:02  <andythenorth> and that only at arms length
15:14:35  <planetmaker> any such thing will probably require at least a yearly meeting with report from board, especially about accounting
15:14:52  <planetmaker> though meeting surely could be online, if constitution of the assoc or foundation allows
15:16:08  <andythenorth> I am -1 to un-needed bureaucracy :)
15:16:20  <milek7> i have windows codesigning cert from Certum, for 25eur/yearly
15:16:23  <andythenorth> but if it helped anything, it might be worth it
15:16:40  <andythenorth> burocracy is a much easier spelling
15:16:46  <andythenorth> can I adopt it?
15:16:46  <andythenorth> :P
15:17:18  <planetmaker> problem is: it might not be unneeded. Unwanted: yes
15:18:27  <planetmaker> he... bureaucracy... burocracy... Bürokratie
15:18:42  <andythenorth> german spelling is better in this case
15:18:59  <andythenorth> probably a cert could be done by one person
15:19:03  <andythenorth> but bus factor would be high
15:19:39  <planetmaker> an official organization would be able to solve a few things at once... like issues with "we are official" with app stores
15:20:00  <planetmaker> and bus factor
15:20:08  * andythenorth pokes TrueBrain 
15:20:12  <andythenorth> does TrueBrain poke back?
15:20:33  <planetmaker> with a long stick :P
15:20:38  <milek7> 'we are official' probably requires some trademark?
15:20:55  <planetmaker> which also requires to be some legal entity
15:21:08  <planetmaker> unless you want to assign that to a single person
15:21:18  <planetmaker> (which also works... but again bus factor)
15:22:36  <planetmaker> uses "Funding for infrastructure and art and music commissions is provided by Wesnoth, Inc., a US-based company which manages revenue geneated by the official iOS version of the game on the Apple app store. While Wesnoth, Inc. financially supports the project, it does not have any involvement in its organization and direction"
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15:26:13  <andythenorth> I know of situations, where e.g. a charity sets up a trading arm
15:26:18  <andythenorth> which donates to the charity
15:26:25  <andythenorth> but is otherwise separated
15:26:36  <planetmaker> seems to be the case for wesnoth. somewhat
15:27:09  <andythenorth>
15:27:54  <andythenorth> looks like it's purchaseable service :P
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16:06:02  <Eddi|zuHause> so, let's try this once more:
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16:52:09  <nielsm> the fiddliness
16:56:28  <andythenorth> anyone ever played Road Hog?
16:56:34  <andythenorth> (the grf)
17:04:21  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, fiddliness intensifies
17:10:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth opened issue #47: Extend roadtypes / tramtypes examples and provide tests
17:14:34  <andythenorth> what is this 5th underlay tile expecting?
17:14:49  <andythenorth> currently it has nothing drawn, so triggers white pixel warning
17:14:56  <andythenorth>
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18:50:50  <TrueBrain> @kick andythenorth poke
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18:51:02  <TrueBrain> @invite andythenorth
18:51:04  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded.
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18:51:26  <andythenorth> oof I was watching Youtube fullscreen
18:51:30  <TrueBrain> scary :P
18:51:31  <andythenorth> and now you interrupted that :P
18:51:45  <TrueBrain> that you get for random highlights
18:51:48  <TrueBrain> no clue why you did :D
18:52:22  <andythenorth> OpenTTD Foundation
18:52:32  <TrueBrain> what about it?
18:52:32  <andythenorth> board member: Truebrain, responsible adult
18:52:41  <andythenorth> it is pointless lolz?
18:53:05  <TrueBrain> having a registered organization would make Steam possible
18:53:11  <andythenorth> oh another plus point
18:53:19  <andythenorth> and the Apple notorisation bollocks
18:53:25  <andythenorth> and maybe MS Store too
18:56:24  <nielsm> and make the donations formally owned by the project and not a person?
18:56:32  <andythenorth> that too
18:56:42  <andythenorth> BUT THERE WOULD BE PAPERWORK
18:56:51  <TrueBrain> also means we can easier publish our donation, and what goes in/out :P
18:57:12  <TrueBrain> (out if 100% infra, I guess :P)
18:57:16  <nielsm> but where would such a foundation have home?
18:57:23  <nielsm> exited brex?
18:57:29  <nielsm> EU somewhere?
18:57:42  <TrueBrain> EU would be wise, given most of us are EU based
18:57:53  <TrueBrain> UK would be slightly annoying, given the current situation created
18:57:57  <TrueBrain> so for me EU is already without UK
18:57:59  <TrueBrain> just saying :P
18:58:32  <TrueBrain> but I have 0.0000 clue how such thing works, so I hope someone can fix it or what-ever :P
18:59:02  <TrueBrain> there is one downside: having a legal entity attached to OpenTTD also means we have a legal entity attached to OpenTTD ;)
18:59:03  <nielsm> forming board meeting at the 2.0 release party
18:59:05  <TrueBrain> also just saying :D
18:59:21  <TrueBrain> all-expenses-paid-trip you say? :P
18:59:23  <TrueBrain> HAWAIIIIIIII
18:59:34  <andythenorth> means Microprose sue the entity? :P
18:59:35  <andythenorth> oof
18:59:54  <glx> not microprose
19:00:33  <nielsm> where does the name micropsose come from, actually... were they formed to produce prose for micros?
19:00:48  <nielsm> I suppose program text is sort of prose
19:01:27  <andythenorth> wikipedia doesn't know
19:01:34  <TrueBrain> you sound surprised
19:01:38  <andythenorth> but the bloke who fixed my windows used to work at Microprose
19:01:48  <andythenorth> Chipping Sodbury is near me
19:01:55  <TrueBrain> sounds like a terrible sales-pitch
19:02:02  <TrueBrain> "I used to work for a game company; now I fix your Windows"
19:02:07  <TrueBrain> or worse:
19:02:09  <TrueBrain> "I used to work for a game company; now I fix your windows"
19:02:09  <andythenorth> wrong kind of windows :P
19:02:15  <andythenorth> the vehicles called 'Yate' are named after where my I take my kids to football
19:02:17  <andythenorth> all the lolz
19:02:47  <TrueBrain> soccer or stupid-ballgame?
19:02:48  <andythenorth> anyway, probably Germany or Holland for a foundation
19:02:49  <andythenorth> soccer
19:03:00  <TrueBrain> good :P
19:03:32  <nielsm> handegg
19:04:20  <andythenorth> I like all the original names
19:04:51  <andythenorth> who likely has more paperwork, germany or netherlands?
19:05:32  <nielsm> no idea, I live in neither place
19:06:06  <andythenorth>
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19:08:16  <andythenorth> hmm, the foundations I found so far are in USA
19:09:04  <andythenorth> UK stuff I can understand,
19:09:05  <TrueBrain> I would suggest, that if we want something like this, we find someone with a bit more knowledge about it
19:09:19  <andythenorth> +lots
19:09:31  <andythenorth> we a layer :o
19:09:32  <andythenorth> oof
19:09:34  <nielsm> a union in denmark has very few formal requirements
19:09:35  <andythenorth> lawyer
19:09:42  <andythenorth> typing
19:10:13  <TrueBrain> in The Netherlands you would need a "stichting", which would be ~500 euro to setup; you need to deposit yearly financial bla too
19:11:28  <andythenorth> this is what I found earlier, they advise open source projects
19:11:54  <andythenorth> they are linked to this
19:13:05  <andythenorth> hmm they're all email-contactable, no twitter :(
19:13:10  <andythenorth> I guess twitter is not very FOSS
19:15:48  <peter1138> Heh
19:16:05  <TrueBrain> owh no, a peter1138! :)
19:17:03  <nielsm> forming a non-profit union in denmark, that does not conduct business, has literally no other requirements than writing a constitution/charter and having a board of members
19:17:32  <nielsm> can optionally be VAT registered and get a business unit identification number
19:18:00  <TrueBrain> if we would be to make such entity, in my opinion, it should be VAT registered, and all assets should be moved into it
19:18:12  <TrueBrain> reducing the bus-factor :D
19:18:20  <TrueBrain> (well, increasing, I guess :P)
19:18:27  <nielsm> "improving"
19:18:30  <TrueBrain> :D
19:18:50  <TrueBrain> but yeah, same here in The Netherlands; with the only difference it needs a notary to approve it
19:18:55  <TrueBrain> there are plenty of services doing that
19:18:59  <TrueBrain> but .. ~500 euro :P
19:19:17  <TrueBrain> fun thing is, it becomes a legal entity on its own
19:19:46  <TrueBrain> so members cannot be held responsible, unless great negligence
19:21:23  <andythenorth> limited liability
19:21:38  <andythenorth> eh so we have some funds though?
19:21:55  <andythenorth> 500 Euro is quite a lot
19:22:21  <TrueBrain> answers that question with 1 answer is impossible :P
19:22:24  <TrueBrain> yes, it is a lot
19:22:27  <TrueBrain> yes, we do have those funds
19:22:34  <andythenorth> can do a limited company in UK for £12.48 :P
19:23:08  <andythenorth> £250 annually to pay accountant
19:23:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think we want a limited liability. we want no liability
19:23:23  <andythenorth> hmm I could file accounts, but that can cause fines
19:23:31  <andythenorth> :P
19:23:40  <TrueBrain> and this is the biggest issue with these things
19:23:46  * andythenorth has not actually been fined, but has watched other people getting fined
19:23:47  <TrueBrain> we all somewhat know the law of our own country
19:23:55  <TrueBrain> comparing between countries .... well ... forget about it :P
19:23:59  <andythenorth> yes
19:24:05  <peter1138> I'd advise against UK.
19:24:11  <peter1138> Cos we're fucking dumb.
19:24:24  <peter1138> And probably not all that united for too long.
19:24:48  <TrueBrain> I agree with all of the above :P
19:24:54  <nielsm> second scottish war of independence?
19:25:42  * andythenorth invents Brexit GS
19:25:59  <andythenorth> you build the map, then at random point, 80% of it becomes inaccessible
19:26:07  <andythenorth> then a few years later you lose Scotland too :P
19:26:23  * andythenorth is neutral on Brexit, but the lolz are strong
19:26:53  <andythenorth> well do we actually want a foundation?
19:26:56  <TrueBrain> 80%? You mean 2%? :P
19:26:57  <andythenorth> it seems
19:27:10  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: naturally the GS takes the British side
19:27:17  <andythenorth> it's a British game after all
19:27:36  <andythenorth> :P
19:27:39  <Eddi|zuHause> why do i always pick the most impossible track layout to build? :p
19:27:39  <TrueBrain> a foundation would solve a ton of things, but yes, it needs someone who wants to invest his/her time in it to figure out the right thing to do
19:28:49  <andythenorth> I know about companies; foundations not so much
19:29:20  <andythenorth> we need a friendly lawyer somewhere in Europe
19:31:50  <andythenorth> I have done a tweet, that will solve it right?
19:32:08  <TrueBrain> link or it didnt happen
19:32:35  <andythenorth>
19:32:45  <andythenorth> we could....write a news post asking for help?
19:32:49  <andythenorth> and we a forum post?
19:33:24  <Eddi|zuHause> as for an organization: we might be able to do a
19:33:28  <andythenorth> I know Jon Stahl, but Plone is US
19:34:13  <andythenorth> do we have a bank account, or does orudge hold it in trust?
19:34:43  <andythenorth> banking usually has to be in the jurisdiction of the entity, or it's even more awful to deal with than usual
19:34:50  <andythenorth> maybe we should put all funds in BTC
19:34:52  <TrueBrain> as we have no legal entity, within the EU, it is impossible to hold a bank account
19:34:55  <TrueBrain> so silly question andythenorth :)
19:35:30  <andythenorth> sometimes a person operates a personal account on behalf of a project :D
19:35:47  <andythenorth> but with a dedicated account number and statements etc
19:36:25  <TrueBrain> I think nobody has ever bothered to ask
19:37:04  <TrueBrain> cool, GitHub Actions also run the GitHub Actions that are new in a PR, but without access. At least that allows you to test-run it :D
19:38:54  <glx> but not from fork I think
19:39:07  <nielsm> Eddi|zuHause: that's probably very similar to a Forening in denmark
19:39:12  <glx> at least workflows in PR from forks are not executed
19:39:41  <glx> to prevent possible secrets leaks by nasty PR
19:39:56  <nielsm> (I'm not sure why the da.wikipedia Forening page links to Verband on de.wikipedia, and Verein on de.wikipedia links to Klub on da.wikipedia, they don't seem to be quite equivalent)
19:39:57  <Eddi|zuHause> nielsm: from what i can gather, you have to have at least 7 members, and declare that you have no economical interest
19:40:38  <TrueBrain> glx: no, that has changed; it is just executed without any secrets
19:40:50  <glx> oh it's recent then
19:41:01  <TrueBrain> 2 weeks ago or so I see the first post about it
19:41:07  <TrueBrain> I could be totally mistaken btw, this is hard to test
19:41:14  <TrueBrain> but they are working hard to make this better/easier :D
19:41:21  <TrueBrain> soon, you can just 'echo' annotations
19:41:33  <TrueBrain> <- this will be fun :D
19:42:19  <nielsm> commit checker automatically pointing out where you indented wrong?
19:42:26  <TrueBrain> exactly
19:42:55  <glx> and are identical, but the workflow is executed only on my fork
19:44:03  <TrueBrain> glx: hmm .. guess you are right :)
19:44:32  <TrueBrain> meh; I will wait for the annotation thing to land. Trying to work around this now is just silly
19:45:58  <andythenorth> hey look, we have a twitter
19:46:09  <nnyby> lol... my macbook air for work just broke today, due to their new t2 "security" chip. apple likes to make things difficult for everybody.
19:47:07  <nnyby> im sure somebody at FOSDEM in february can help with the openttd foundation, but that's a few months away.
19:47:07  <nielsm> andythenorth someone's been forgetting to post on it? :)
19:47:17  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: yes, but nobody is doing the things he should be doing with it :D
19:47:28  <TrueBrain> we lack an active PR person :)
19:48:18  <andythenorth> nnyby: don't you just change the security settings?
19:49:22  <glx> I wish they add templates in workflows (like with azure pipelines)
19:50:53  <TrueBrain> they exist, but possibly not in the way you expected
19:50:58  <TrueBrain> in the same repo, you can add a GitHub Action
19:51:10  <TrueBrain> which is a template, in the sense you can call them from multiple places
19:51:13  <TrueBrain> with different parameters
19:51:24  <TrueBrain> a GitHub Action doesn't have to be a Docker, basically
19:51:26  <glx> yeah but seems silly to write an action just to rebase
19:51:43  <andythenorth> hmm, nope no linux on T2 macs, and a kitten died somewhere
19:51:44  <glx> it's docker or JS
19:52:29  <andythenorth> on the upside, buy a not-mac, save 10-20% Apple tax on equivalent hardware, and have a keyboard that actually works
19:52:31  <nnyby> andythenorth: apparently not... our IT person has been on the phone with apple trying to get data out of this hard drive for a while. the laptop boots up but doesn't accept any passwords, and can't mount the drive remotely.
19:53:01  <andythenorth> oh yeah, there's no way to get the data out without the T2
19:53:03  <andythenorth> that's the point
19:53:19  <andythenorth> I mean, it's Apple, so probably there's a flaw, but it's not discovered yet
19:53:24  <glx> even for commit-checker action, I think it's overkill to do a docker action for it
19:53:50  <glx> but I'm still trying to find how JS action works
19:54:00  <andythenorth> if the T2 has failed and lost the password, the mac is now landfill material
19:55:05  <nnyby> i don't have much patience for these sorts of over-engineered security systems, which no doubt have countless flaws themselves. it causes more problems than it solves. i don't care who knows my password.
19:55:27  <andythenorth> it's a massive selling point for me
19:55:36  <andythenorth> it saves a shitload of paperwork
19:55:59  * andythenorth waits for twitter to rain answers
19:56:04  <glx> basically we just need to run git commands and a python script
19:56:30  <nnyby> interesting, well that's why it exists i suppose >_< if there's a market and helps some people with their jobs, that's cool
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19:56:52  <TrueBrain> glx: the commit checker should be a GitHub Action in my opinion, now I have worked some more with it
19:56:53  <andythenorth> eh someone posted to reddit
19:56:58  <TrueBrain> that makes it very useful to use by others
19:57:08  <glx> yes it will be an action
19:57:17  <glx> but maybe not a docker one
19:57:31  <TrueBrain> what-ever floats your boat :)
19:57:46  <TrueBrain> the JS style feels like overkill to me :)
19:57:51  <andythenorth> do I have to join reddit? :(
19:57:52  <andythenorth> oof
19:58:44  <TrueBrain> the only possible reason to ask your question, is because of a threat
19:58:45  <andythenorth> Wolf01: can you go to this and find out how to set up a foundation, kthxbai
19:58:50  <TrueBrain> that tells more about the world than anything else :D
19:58:57  <andythenorth> tells more about happy redditors
19:59:49  <TrueBrain> glx: owh, I see now they even suggest to use the JS, as it doesn't use Docker
19:59:58  <TrueBrain> guess I am still catching up to this train ..
20:00:04  <TrueBrain> it used to be docker-only :P
20:00:22  <TrueBrain> glx: remember they supply bootstraps to write your tool in
20:00:26  <TrueBrain> might help
20:00:28  <glx> docker is overkill for simple scripts
20:00:28  <andythenorth> Amsterdam TrueBrain?
20:00:39  <nielsm> andythenorth: you just post a reply to your own tweet clarifying the purpose
20:00:42  <TrueBrain> glx: so is the code you need for JavaScript :D
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20:01:08  <glx> yeah, but it will run faster than building a docker
20:01:16  <glx> I think
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20:01:21  <TrueBrain> glx: "faster" is a silly thing to optimize for in this case :D
20:01:32  <TrueBrain> the Docker can be pushed to the GitHub Package Registry (GPR)
20:01:48  <TrueBrain> I think it is better to write something you know, and others can read
20:01:54  <TrueBrain> Docker .. JavaScript .. I don't care :P
20:02:10  <nielsm> should have called it the Github Docker/Package Repository
20:02:14  <nielsm> for confusion's sake
20:03:10  <andythenorth>
20:03:25  <TrueBrain> vs ... not sure they differ that much tbh
20:04:01  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: what is up with the stars?
20:04:23  <andythenorth> they are supposed to be bullets, but I fail at Twitter?
20:04:29  <TrueBrain> glx: possibly nice for the learning curve to write both the JS and Docker one :D
20:04:43  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: at one point you have "* *" :P
20:04:49  <andythenorth> oh yeah I'm a clown
20:04:50  <andythenorth> oops
20:04:59  <andythenorth> I'll delete it and make it better
20:05:14  <TrueBrain> :D
20:05:15  <TrueBrain> no need :P
20:05:18  <TrueBrain> just pulling your leg
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20:06:33  <andythenorth> fixed
20:06:37  <andythenorth> less clown
20:06:48  <nielsm> fancy bullets!
20:07:30  <TrueBrain> w00p
20:08:21  <andythenorth> president of Plone
20:08:25  <TrueBrain> okay, I will continue my exploration of GitHub Actions once the annotations are there .. hopefully soon :D
20:08:27  <andythenorth> can't find him on Twitter though
20:08:36  <andythenorth> oh noes! he's a sysadmin
20:09:15  <TrueBrain> I am off; night guys
20:09:23  <nielsm> I should sleep too
20:09:32  <nielsm> my birds are getting angry at shadows and keyboard noises
20:09:42  <nielsm> gn
20:10:42  <andythenorth> angry birds
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