Log for #openttd on 13th November 2019:
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08:02:06  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7827: Codechange: [AzurePipeline] add developer files section in manifest
08:03:17  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7807: Doc: revised README to be more helpful to casual GitHub visitors
08:11:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #7809: Fix #7631:  16 out cargo support for industry directory
08:11:42  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #7631: Assert when opening industry directory
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08:57:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Montandalar opened issue #7831: Crash on placing vehicle in group that used to contain 1 vehicle
09:12:14  <LordAro> interesting
09:18:51  <peter1138> Is it lunch time yet?
09:28:11  <Arveen> not yet
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13:04:01  <peter1138> What about now?
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13:04:40  <andythenorth> I am very confused about lunch
13:04:44  <andythenorth> pls send enlightenment
13:06:03  <Arveen> go for it
13:06:09  <Arveen> i approve
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13:53:26  <peter1138> Well, I had lunch.
13:56:14  <Arveen> congratulations
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14:07:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #7831: Crash on placing vehicle in group that used to contain 1 vehicle
14:16:50  <peter1138> Thanks. It is my major achievement today.
14:18:09  <LordAro> peter1138: congrats!
14:18:36  <peter1138> Nearly reached 850 kcal!
14:25:08  <andythenorth> I had lunch
14:25:41  <andythenorth> pls send motivation
14:25:49  <andythenorth> I haven't done much OpenTTD-ish
14:28:07  <peter1138> What was confusing about lunch, then?
14:28:34  <peter1138> Here's some enlightenment, though...
14:29:29  <andythenorth> thanks
14:29:51  <andythenorth> my current motivation is mostly to drive this tank
14:29:58  <andythenorth> and do ISO 27001 compliance
14:30:59  <peter1138> Yes yes.
14:31:07  <peter1138> I'm going to 'drive' my bike later.
14:31:20  <peter1138> Lights are on charge :p
14:31:29  <peter1138> Forceast is wet...
14:32:13  <peter1138> Forecast, too...
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14:41:53  <andythenorth> oof
14:42:02  <andythenorth> Apple have released a non-fucked Macbook
14:42:05  <andythenorth> hell froze over
14:42:13  <andythenorth> they've probably bizarrely broken it somehow
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14:53:41  <andythenorth> hey, this is approved :D \o/
14:53:45  <andythenorth> just needs merged
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15:49:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #7831: Crash on placing vehicle in group that used to contain 1 vehicle
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17:40:16  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #7831: Crash on placing vehicle in group that used to contain 1 vehicle
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17:45:07  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #7831: Crash on placing vehicle in group that used to contain 1 vehicle
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17:53:41  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7827: Codechange: [AzurePipeline] add developer files section in manifest
17:57:43  <frosch123> andythenorth: does the website build stuff allow executing arbitrary tools?
17:58:12  <frosch123> it would be cool if it could osie on the screenshots and automatically add infos about the used newgrfs
17:58:17  <andythenorth> depends on how the question is framed
17:58:28  <andythenorth> jekyll is extensible with plugins
17:58:35  <andythenorth> there's no generic makefile or similar
17:59:12  <andythenorth> how would it detect the newgrfs? o_O
17:59:51  <frosch123> screenshots made using ottd's ctrl+s (so no external screengrab) include a magic png text chunk with the used newgrfs
18:00:04  <andythenorth> ooh
18:00:06  <frosch123> i have no idea how many screenshots are made using ctrl+s though :p
18:00:37  <frosch123> <- i have not used it in years
18:00:43  <frosch123> so it may also be totally broken :p
18:05:10  <glx> something like could work ?
18:07:41  <frosch123> hmm, quite a lot of screenshots have no menubar
18:08:04  <frosch123> so likely no info available for most of them
18:12:02  <andythenorth> maybe we should get the savegame, not the screenshot :P
18:12:07  <andythenorth> massive overkill :)
18:12:09  <andythenorth> biab
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18:45:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
18:45:49  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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18:54:34  <andythenorth> automatic screenshot upload from in-game, I curate and approve the best? :P
18:54:44  <andythenorth> or...
18:54:58  <andythenorth> €1 donation = 3 screenshots published?
18:55:03  <andythenorth> patreon levels?
18:55:15  <andythenorth> gotta pay for the new infra somehow eh TrueBrain? :D
18:55:30  <frosch123> that still adds work
18:56:05  <frosch123> how about: you must provide a mobile number with your screenshot, so people can phone you to ask about the used newgrfs
18:58:13  <TrueBrain> ding ding ding, we have a winner!
19:00:16  <frosch123> andythenorth: build 10 pieces of rail, wait 1 minute or pay 0.05€ to continue immediately?
19:02:56  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the highest cost in there is the manual labour. you want a system where nobody actually has to do anything, and externalize all work to the users
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19:03:50  <andythenorth> some patreons give access to an exclusive discord
19:03:54  <andythenorth> I could be on that
19:04:08  <andythenorth> or we could let Zuck in, and use whatsapp
19:04:19  <andythenorth> I think it's important that whatever we do, Zuck gets revenue from it
19:04:24  <andythenorth> Bezos is already included
19:04:44  <andythenorth> I like this business model where you just lift a few dollars from everyone on the planet
19:04:45  <frosch123> do you want to turn this channel into a podcast?
19:05:07  <andythenorth> I already do a work podcast, not sure which is more interesting
19:05:14  <Eddi|zuHause> we don't even manage a consistent monthly blog
19:05:16  <andythenorth> we could get my mac to read out the channel?
19:05:20  <andythenorth> and record it
19:05:40  <andythenorth> there is a YT channel my kids watch, which just reads out the minecraft changelog
19:05:58  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the disincentive to blogging is high :P
19:06:04  <andythenorth> I won't do another, fairly certain
19:06:37  <Eddi|zuHause> there's a famous video about the sims (3?) changelog
19:15:24  <andythenorth> oh wow PR count is down
19:15:25  <andythenorth> 48
19:15:30  <andythenorth> could be 47 trivially :P
19:15:46  <andythenorth>
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19:38:26  <andythenorth> has anyone done the November blog post also?
19:39:59  <frosch123> wasn't there a release post? or was that october?
19:40:22  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #7807: Doc: revised README to be more helpful to casual GitHub visitors
19:40:50  <frosch123> oh, blog and release was 3 days apart
19:40:55  <frosch123> what a waste :p
19:41:48  <andythenorth> no comment
19:42:07  <andythenorth> michi_cc: thanks :D
19:42:18  <andythenorth> rewriting README was a surprising lot of work
19:42:28  <andythenorth> I had to read all of dev pages in wiki as well and fix them
19:42:44  <frosch123> docs are lot of work, that's why noone ever does them
19:43:42  <frosch123> but i don't think you can hire more wiki editors via a blog
19:45:15  <andythenorth> pleasingly, it was mostly deleting stuff
19:45:26  <andythenorth> signal to noise ratio wasn't great for dev pages
19:49:15  <frosch123> <- extend the faq? :p
19:50:00  <andythenorth> just read that
19:50:19  <andythenorth> special page on OpenTTD website
19:51:20  <andythenorth> the subreddit doesn't actually explain anything about the game
19:52:06  <frosch123> that post is kind of the uncanny valley of trolls
19:52:49  <frosch123> you can't imagine how anyone would get to that place to ask such a question, but you also can't imagine someone fake-posting such a question
19:53:37  <frosch123> maybe someone lost their memory and checked their browser bookmarks
19:55:34  <andythenorth> maybe it's a bot
19:55:46  <andythenorth> I'm starting to wonder how much of the world is bots
19:56:31  <frosch123> 90% according to german politicians
19:56:51  <andythenorth> when I worked in adtech, I concluded that most ad 'clicks' were bots :P
19:57:24  <frosch123> most of my ad clicks are accidential clicks
19:57:27  <glx> hmm nightly failed (well manifest failed)
20:00:58  <TrueBrain> glx :(
20:01:19  <TrueBrain> poorly tested! :P :P
20:01:27  <glx> it works here :)
20:02:07  <TrueBrain> at least there is a clear error, that is a nice :)
20:03:16  <TrueBrain> euh, yes, += doesn't exist :)
20:03:22  <TrueBrain> please use a decent shell to test with :D
20:03:35  <glx> I use mingw shell
20:03:44  <glx> it's bash
20:03:47  <TrueBrain> I repeat: use a decent shell please :D
20:04:34  <TrueBrain> DEV_FILES+=" ${filename}" <- should be DEV_FILES="${DEV_FILES} ${filename}"
20:04:36  <TrueBrain> :)
20:07:25  <LordAro> hmm
20:07:36  <LordAro> is += really a bash only thing?
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20:07:57  <supermop_work_> yo
20:24:23  <TrueBrain> LordAro: yes, that is really really only a bash thing :)
20:24:59  <LordAro> interesting
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20:29:27  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #7832: Fix e3511ecac: don't use bash specific syntax
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20:43:50  <TrueBrain> LordAro: not really; there isn't really a list I know of that tell you about these things
20:43:53  <TrueBrain> so it is just annoying as fuck
20:44:01  <TrueBrain> bash is evil, from that perspective :)
20:44:32  <glx> and whenever you search for shell script stuff you only find bash doc :)
20:45:32  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #7832: Fix e3511ecac: don't use bash specific syntax
20:45:32  <Eddi|zuHause> man 1p sh
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20:48:48  <glx> of course the check doesn't want to start
20:50:15  <andythenorth> so all core docs done?
20:50:19  <andythenorth> just NRT to sort out?
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21:10:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7832: Fix e3511ecac: don't use bash specific syntax
21:11:04  <TrueBrain> now you have 2 approvals glx, how about that
21:11:33  <glx> I'll just force merge :)
21:11:48  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7832: Fix e3511ecac: don't use bash specific syntax
21:13:04  <glx> haha and this time the CI starts
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22:30:41  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened pull request #7833: Fix: Out of bounds tile access in ErrmsgWindow::OnInitialPosition
22:34:20  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7833: Fix: Out of bounds tile access in ErrmsgWindow::OnInitialPosition
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