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I would never betray that with adding support in Squirrel for it :D 08:09:25 <andythenorth> another day, another SEO meta description 08:18:12 <planetmaker> moin 08:20:10 <andythenorth> hi pm 08:25:09 <planetmaker> hm, in an attempt to answer frosch's earlier question on assigning accounts for NewGRFs, and if openttdcoop is not an option as it seems (it has no separate github account and does not make sense in this structure): yes, OpenGFX* probably should go to me; but some other should also get upload rights... 08:25:49 <planetmaker> The idea of the shared coop account was - after all - easier access to updating a NewGRF in case of a bus factor striking home 08:26:31 <planetmaker> I'm pretty sure, that Ammler has no github account 08:27:02 <andythenorth> specific to OpenGFX base set, an OpenTTD GH team should take that over 08:27:07 <andythenorth> it's now core 08:27:37 <planetmaker> yes, exactly 08:28:09 <Samu> I just tried squirrel array sort, and it's extremely slow :( disappointed http://www.squirrel-lang.org/squirreldoc/reference/language/builtin_functions.html#array.sort 08:34:00 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 09:26:52 *** gelignite has quit IRC 09:27:03 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 09:55:51 *** Eddi|zuHause has quit IRC 09:56:19 *** cHawk has quit IRC 09:56:41 *** cHawk has joined #openttd 09:57:05 *** Eddi|zuHause has joined #openttd 09:59:15 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 10:30:18 *** Laedek has joined #openttd 10:35:18 *** Laedek_ has quit IRC 11:28:50 *** Tirili has quit IRC 12:33:11 <andythenorth> is cat? 12:38:22 *** gelignite has quit IRC 12:43:27 <Wolf01> Is waiting for things to work out themselves 12:53:01 <Samu> https://i.imgur.com/ebCOzRp.png?1 - the different queues viewed in a different perspective 13:30:25 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 13:32:49 <Samu> i found 2 more priority queues 13:33:02 <Samu> "terron priority queue" properly named 13:33:08 <Samu> "fifo queue" of kraken ai 13:45:37 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 13:45:47 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 13:48:22 <Samu> trAIns has a weird one, gotta explore that 13:49:02 <supermop_Home> yo 13:50:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ho 13:53:37 *** supermop_Home has quit IRC 13:59:13 <andythenorth> short visit 14:06:06 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 14:38:43 *** gelignite has quit IRC 14:41:50 *** supermop_Home has joined #openttd 14:42:27 <supermop_Home> why do i keep disconnecting... i'm not losing my connection to my remote computer at work... 14:50:30 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 14:55:04 <LordAro> TCP (i.e. persistent IRC connections) is more susceptible to drop outs than other protocols (like RDP/UDP) 15:22:09 *** Compu has joined #openttd 15:26:29 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 15:27:17 *** cHawk has quit IRC 15:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> some clients, especially on phones, have trouble keeping connections alive when in the background 15:45:23 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 15:45:50 *** planetmaker has joined #openttd 15:45:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o planetmaker 16:21:56 *** planetmaker has quit IRC 16:22:20 *** planetmaker has joined #openttd 16:22:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o planetmaker 16:29:01 *** Flygon has quit IRC 16:33:09 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 16:50:54 <TrueBrain> right, time to login to those VPSes, and see what they have on them .. before they expire :P 16:53:24 <TrueBrain> it really only has nginx + mirror files 16:53:25 <TrueBrain> good 16:54:05 <TrueBrain> and no more traffic; good 16:54:14 <TrueBrain> orudge: we can let the VPSes die, no problem :) We should be fine :) 16:56:58 <andythenorth> yay 16:57:13 <andythenorth> servers -> VPSes -> cloud -> nirvana 16:57:21 <andythenorth> next we all upload ourselves 16:57:27 <TrueBrain> 20 dollar a day .. yeah .. we need to do something about that .. some day 16:57:54 <andythenorth> patreon 16:58:07 <andythenorth> 10€ / month download pass 16:58:11 <andythenorth> early access fee 16:58:14 <andythenorth> adverts! 16:58:37 <TrueBrain> I just need to email CloudFlare :) Something to do this weekend :) 16:58:51 <TrueBrain> see if they accept us on only binaries (normally you have to move everything to them or nothing) 16:59:09 <TrueBrain> cache rate is between 40% and 100% on BaNaNaS files .. they are being cached nicely on the edge 16:59:16 <TrueBrain> people should notice that in terms of download speed 16:59:38 *** frosch123 has joined #openttd 17:00:11 <TrueBrain> most traffic is EU based 17:00:13 <TrueBrain> like .. 90% 17:01:41 <TrueBrain> 190GB on the 28th 17:01:47 <TrueBrain> over 40k requests 17:06:12 <milek7> 20$?!? 17:07:01 <milek7> that should be enough for two weeks 17:10:07 <andythenorth> two weeks of what? 17:10:16 <andythenorth> I spend maybe £400 / day on hosting 17:10:23 <andythenorth> in a tiny business 17:12:26 <LordAro> TrueBrain: very nice 17:12:48 <TrueBrain> pretty happy with the new setup .. very low on maintaince :) 17:13:08 <TrueBrain> only have to script to build a new docker once a while, to keep up with CVE automagically :) 17:13:15 <TrueBrain> reminds me, OpenGFX nightly has been broken for a while 17:13:21 <TrueBrain> Docker image is out of date :P 17:16:32 <TrueBrain> euh, GitHub Actions OS apt-database is out of date :P 17:17:42 <andythenorth> hmmm 17:17:50 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] TrueBrain opened pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYuG 17:17:51 * andythenorth triggered by a CSS blog article :) 17:17:58 <andythenorth> oops I shouldn't post my bad behaviour here 17:18:16 *** spnda has joined #openttd 17:19:09 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] TrueBrain updated pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYuG 17:19:16 <spnda> I just got VS 2019 and when building OpenTTD, I get an error that 'ft2build.h' can't be found. Anyone know of this issue? (This project worked fine with VS 2017) 17:19:39 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] LordAro approved pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYuW 17:20:01 <TrueBrain> seems freetype2 .. (re)installed it with vcpkg? 17:20:08 <TrueBrain> owh wait, we don't have cmake merged yet 17:21:45 <frosch123> TrueBrain: want to address the TODO 3 lines below your change? 17:22:46 <TrueBrain> want to want to ..... but I did anyway 17:22:47 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] TrueBrain dismissed a review for pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYuW 17:22:47 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] TrueBrain updated pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYuG 17:22:51 <TrueBrain> just because I like you enough to put in that effort :) 17:23:07 <frosch123> \o/ 17:24:07 <frosch123> when did debian switch to python linking to python3? 17:24:19 <TrueBrain> 2 versions ago? 17:24:19 <frosch123> on stable it still refers to python2 17:24:46 <LordAro> only very recently, i would think 17:24:51 <LordAro> it at all 17:25:12 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] LordAro approved pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYua 17:25:18 <TrueBrain> Buster still comes with 2.7 17:25:27 <TrueBrain> but their own scripts have been ported to 3 for a while now 17:25:32 <TrueBrain> haven't used 2 in a long time :P 17:26:02 <LordAro> arch has had python -> python3 for years 17:26:11 <LordAro> i imagine things will start switching over now that py2 is dead 17:26:21 <TrueBrain> people should start burning python2 .. 17:26:25 <TrueBrain> real quick 17:27:38 <TrueBrain> but also scripts only working pre-3.6 should be burnt 17:27:44 <LordAro> mm 17:28:37 <frosch123> what do scripts do when they only work < 3.6 ? 17:28:43 <LordAro> py3.5 is supported until September, alas 17:28:44 <frosch123> sounds like there is a standard issue :) 17:29:33 <spnda> oh i just opened the wrong vs project... works fine 17:30:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenGFX] TrueBrain merged pull request #40: Fix: [GitHub Actions] make sure apt-database is in sync https://git.io/JfYuG 17:30:51 <TrueBrain> k, that fixes OpenGFX again .. 17:31:01 *** glx has joined #openttd 17:31:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v glx 17:33:24 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 17:38:51 <spnda> Does OpenGFX really include that famous graphics teapot? (SpriteID 4696) 17:44:35 *** Progman has joined #openttd 17:50:10 <glx> spnda: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX/blob/master/sprites/png/houses/toyland_wrappedhouses.png 17:51:15 <spnda> oh so it's a house in toyland? interesting. 17:54:38 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] frosch123 commented on issue #54: Support teams https://git.io/JfqSf 17:57:42 <FLHerne> spnda: Here's a city full of them http://www.flherne.uk/files/toyland.png 18:01:14 *** mcbanhas has joined #openttd 18:09:09 <andythenorth> anyone else getting Mailgun smtp failures? 18:09:12 * andythenorth asking for a friend :P 18:20:20 <orudge> Where? 18:23:44 <andythenorth> one of our products, several thousand-ish failed deliveries 18:23:51 <andythenorth> we didn't change anything our end 18:24:30 <andythenorth> specifically " 501 Invalid command or cannot parse from address (in reply to MAIL FROM command))" 18:24:43 <andythenorth> happening since Monday 18:25:57 *** iSoSyS has joined #openttd 18:48:33 *** Gustavo6046 has quit IRC 18:49:05 *** Gustavo6046 has joined #openttd 18:55:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] frosch123 opened issue #55: Add support for adding public keys to packages https://git.io/JfYVq 18:57:40 *** iSoSyS has quit IRC 19:04:20 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 19:15:50 <frosch123> wow, someone forked manual industries to create an industry set with new cargos and complex chains 19:16:12 <frosch123> i wonder what's the use of manual indusries in that 19:17:57 <frosch123> planetmaker: https://github.com/OpenTTD/BaNaNaS/pull/22 19:19:33 <TrueBrain> and ... merged 19:19:33 <TrueBrain> :) 19:20:25 <frosch123> 11% of packages has a github owner :) 19:22:39 <frosch123> i think that's about half of the requests i expect 19:22:52 <frosch123> rest is old and probably unmaintained 19:24:14 <_dp_> frosch123, probably as a nice starting point for an industry set without new graphics 19:24:28 <TrueBrain> and the last one we get in 2030 :) 19:32:35 <Samu> fifo queue is nothing I expected 19:32:52 <nielsm> yes fifo means first in first out 19:32:57 <nielsm> that's specifically not a priority queue 19:34:37 <Samu> deleted! 19:38:56 <andythenorth> hmm could we score down unmaintained grfs? o_O 19:39:11 <andythenorth> I closed that "Bananas is full of crappy junk" ticket as unhelpfu 19:39:16 <andythenorth> unhelpful * 19:39:29 <LordAro> there are definitely a few things that would benefit from being made "savegame only" 19:39:35 <andythenorth> maybe we should editorialise 19:39:48 <nielsm> LordAro: or have their max version set 19:40:22 <nielsm> make a best-effort attempt to contact the authors first obviously 19:40:49 <frosch123> andythenorth: don't take that report literally 19:41:48 <frosch123> at best i would interpret it as "various AIs crash", or it's just "newgrf are complciated to setup, you cannot add 50 vehicle sets at once for a balances game" 19:42:26 <nielsm> true that's one possibility 19:42:34 <LordAro> but even then 19:42:37 <nielsm> ottd is not like cities:skylines where more mods = better 19:42:44 <LordAro> several AIs are basically abandoned and regularly crash 19:42:51 <frosch123> i think crashing ais are the only thing that can be objective classified as junk 19:42:54 <LordAro> without any way to filter them, it does reflect quite badly 19:43:13 <frosch123> or scenarios with depend on non-bananas grfs :) 19:43:50 <nielsm> I had a dream a few days ago about making an automated testing for bananas content 19:44:02 <nielsm> probably not healthy to delve into 19:44:21 <LordAro> we need more automated testing for OTTD first :p 19:44:22 <frosch123> wasn't there an automated ai-vs-ai page? 19:44:29 <nielsm> yeah 19:44:29 <LordAro> frosch123: i think that was just Samu 19:44:41 <nielsm> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=86439 19:44:45 <nielsm> no that's someone else 19:45:01 <nielsm> https://openttd.mousetail.nl/ 19:46:08 <andythenorth> frosch123 I interpreted it same as you 19:46:17 <frosch123> haha, "medieval ai" is on that list 19:47:10 <nielsm> IdleMore does not have zero points 19:47:13 <nielsm> it has actually won games 19:47:23 <LordAro> presumably by not crashing 19:47:27 <nielsm> IdleMoreMore is even better 19:47:39 <frosch123> medieval ai is the oldest ai on bananas (oldest latest version). even wright ai has a nwer update 19:48:11 <LordAro> the original Idle AI is definitely a strong contender to be removed from the list 19:48:20 <LordAro> as it doesn't even have the "no random" flag set, iirc 19:48:55 <LordAro> nielsm: that site is giving me a lot of 500 errors 19:49:25 <nielsm> yeah it seems to have some bugs 19:51:29 <frosch123> LordAro: aroai performs worse than wrightai :p 19:52:08 <LordAro> :( 19:52:13 <LordAro> aircraft op 19:52:15 <LordAro> pls nerf 19:53:17 <TrueBrain> but wrightAI is the best name ever, it is flawless code, and it was the first. So .. of course it is the best 20:04:58 <frosch123> https://gitlab.com/mousetail/openttd-save-parser/-/tree/master/saveparser <- it parses savegames 20:11:34 <_dp_> oh wow, and it actually parses a lot 20:11:50 <_dp_> wish it existed when I was making my own xD 20:12:51 <Samu> whoever coded trAIns was a master programmer 20:12:59 <Samu> i can't understand 1/4 of it 20:13:09 <Samu> too complex 20:14:00 <Samu> it has a queue, two level hash heap implemented in it, I just don't understand it 20:14:15 <Samu> it's different than all other queues, not compatible 20:16:22 <Samu> does it mean it's the fastest out there? I really wanted to try it, but don't know how 20:25:22 <andythenorth> any tickets I can close? 20:25:27 * andythenorth is looking for relaxation 20:25:34 <nielsm> lol 20:27:09 <andythenorth> they have to actually be valid for closing :| 20:27:33 *** heffer has quit IRC 20:29:48 <nielsm> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/8098 this one 20:29:57 <nielsm> I'm quite sure that's a "working as intended" 20:30:23 <nielsm> https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/8092 this one 20:31:50 <andythenorth> 8098 all I have is 'shrug' 20:32:00 <andythenorth> I don't see how to guarantee that a transfer leg will be positive 20:32:07 <andythenorth> it seems to start from the wrong premise? 20:32:36 <nielsm> yeah, a transfer leg can actually contribute negative value to the route 20:32:44 <nielsm> that's not wrong if you think about it 20:33:27 <andythenorth> close with the usual 'Thanks for contributing!' thing? 20:33:33 <andythenorth> I don't see it getting changed 20:34:37 <andythenorth> 8092 was there some blah blah about nobody was reading translators emails? 20:34:52 <andythenorth> I didn't really understand and it seemed to cause friction so I ignored it 20:35:21 * andythenorth might be smoking crack, not sure 20:35:32 <nielsm> I do remember seeing a convo like that 20:35:53 <nielsm> and possibly some conclusion about it moving to new infra "soon" so not worth spending time on new signups 20:36:09 <andythenorth> GH teams 20:36:35 <TrueBrain> lots of new uploads frosch123 , relative against normal days :P 20:36:35 <andythenorth> this I don't even what? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/8057 20:37:28 *** heffer has joined #openttd 20:38:05 <nielsm> yeah I think it might be better to have the installer warn on anything earlier than win7 20:38:56 <nielsm> "look nobody wants to test on your prehistoric system, if it crashes or spills coffee on your new shirt we don't want to hear about it" 20:39:30 <andythenorth> close this, use windowed mode as the solution? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/8038 20:40:04 <frosch123> TrueBrain: didn't we conclude yesterday that we average 35 upload/month 20:40:25 <frosch123> so, more than 1 per day on average, but with high variety 20:41:20 <TrueBrain> might be the case, but we had no uploads for the last week, and now several 20:41:23 <nielsm> andythenorth nah I think it's valid to want the fullscreen mode to work 20:41:28 <TrueBrain> so it makes me happy to see people udnerstand the system and can use it :D 20:41:32 <nielsm> otherwise the fullscreen mode should be removed entirely 20:42:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: true, hardly any complains :) 20:48:44 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8038: Fullscreen mode in MacOSX is almost unusable https://git.io/Jv1n7 20:52:25 <glx> and there's still the 10.12 crash to fix 20:54:05 <nielsm> will someone have to install 10.12 to develop at fix for that? 20:56:32 <glx> or guess fix and a PR build so the users can test 20:58:41 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 20:58:51 <glx> because it may be a mix of old OS and newer toolkits 21:02:20 <andythenorth> hmm a few of these issues have PRs that would close thme 21:02:22 <andythenorth> them * 21:02:37 <nielsm> well time to get some sleep 21:02:38 <nielsm> gn 21:02:44 <andythenorth> could we have a moratorium on cost errors? :P https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/7945 21:02:45 <andythenorth> bye nielsm 21:10:41 *** nielsm has quit IRC 21:11:02 *** Samu has quit IRC 22:09:57 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 22:33:37 *** Progman has quit IRC 22:50:11 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:52:24 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 22:52:37 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 22:59:45 *** Laedek has quit IRC 23:50:40 <supermop_Home> and now I've somehow stayed connected for hours