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08:58:29  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #4: Several bugs found while bringing this to production
09:03:10  <andythenorth> \o
09:03:13  <andythenorth> o/
09:03:17  <andythenorth> \o/
09:04:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] TrueBrain merged pull request #2: Add: initial workflow to automate requested access for translators
09:04:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] TrueBrain opened issue #3: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:05:08  <TrueBrain> let's see how this works .. :)
09:05:34  <TrueBrain> "This is not an issue to request access; ignoring"
09:05:36  <TrueBrain> owh boy ..
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09:07:08  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] TrueBrain closed issue #3: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:07:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] TrueBrain opened issue #4: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:07:30  <TrueBrain> attempt #2 :)
09:07:43  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #4: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:08:08  <TrueBrain> who of the core developers dares to write a /approve in that ticket ? :D
09:08:40  <andythenorth> oh it's so hard not to troll you :(
09:09:01  * andythenorth must be a better person
09:09:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #5: Several bugs found while bringing this to production
09:09:39  <TrueBrain> you are not a core developer andythenorth , so what-ever you reply on that ticket will be ignored :P
09:09:54  <andythenorth> zing
09:22:21  <TrueBrain> okay, deployments work .. time to roll this out in pre-production :)
09:23:58  <TrueBrain> oops .. found a "bug" ... staging is using the same database as production
09:24:05  <TrueBrain> that seems like a horrible idea really :P
09:26:18  <TrueBrain> orudge: wow, the new CPanel DNS Zone Manager is TERRIBLE. It paginates the records, but only shows this on the top right :P I know you can do nothing about that, but I just wanted to let you know :D It is a horrible UX :)
09:35:21  <TrueBrain> (it also doesn't allow changing records and pushing them at once, etc etc .. but I guess this is just more "newbie" friendly :P)
09:38:30  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened issue #5: Allow settings a table name prefix
09:43:39  <TrueBrain> If anyone wants to test the new master-server, I would really appreciate that: change your "hosts" file such that "" points to and 2a05:d014:870:d200:93e4:fee6:abba:6b97
09:43:42  <TrueBrain> start your server after that
09:43:50  <TrueBrain> it should register itself without issue
09:44:02  <TrueBrain> it should show up within 7 minutes at
09:44:13  <TrueBrain> same if you want to test the OpenTTD client
09:47:06  <TrueBrain> (and I could really use some testers, to make sure I didn't make any weird boo-boo :D)
09:48:00  <TrueBrain> and _dp_ , if you want to query server information, this can be done on and<server-id>
09:48:20  <TrueBrain> the server-id is nothing more than the md5("ip:port") of any of the ip/port combinations the server is running on (so either IPv4 or IPv6)
09:48:28  <TrueBrain> is JSON :) Might be easier than HTML :D
09:49:18  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #4: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:49:31  <TrueBrain> I see that LordAro  cannot read
09:49:32  <TrueBrain> or write
09:49:34  <LordAro> ...
09:49:34  <TrueBrain> it is a bit sad
09:49:36  <LordAro> oops.
09:49:43  <TrueBrain> it is not like it is LITERALLY THERE
09:49:51  <LordAro> but "allow" is the opposite of "deny"
09:49:55  <TrueBrain> "Please reply with either /approve or /deny" .. LordAro  does /allow ...
09:50:07  <TrueBrain> YOU reviewed this PR :P
09:50:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] LordAro commented on issue #4: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:50:16  <TrueBrain> :D :D :D :D
09:50:28  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek commented on issue #4: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:50:29  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] DorpsGek closed issue #4: [nl_NL] Translator access request
09:50:38  <LordAro> \o/
09:50:48  <TrueBrain> IT WORKS :D
09:50:51  <TrueBrain> sometimes I amaze myself :D
09:52:26  <TrueBrain> owh, all these .dorpsgek.yml are wrong .. they don't announce new versions .. oops
09:52:52  <TrueBrain> TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
09:52:57  <TrueBrain> let me be DorpsGek_III for today :P
09:53:03  <TrueBrain> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
09:53:05  <TrueBrain> oops :)
10:00:39  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.0
10:00:48  <TrueBrain> and that one does announce ... lol
10:04:43  <TrueBrain> right, I am ready to flip the switch and bring this to production .. but I would love to get some feedback first if it works for others :D
10:07:23  <LordAro> have you tested with a variety of ancient versions?
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10:20:38  <TrueBrain> I am honestly more worried from a network perspective that things fail, but it is not a bad idea to run all major versions again :)
10:28:35  <TrueBrain> 0.4.8, 1.0.0, 1.4.4, 1.8.0, 1.9.3, 1.10.3 clients work
10:28:39  <TrueBrain> guess that is a sufficient large set :P
10:31:42  <TrueBrain> master, 1.9.0, 1.4.4 as server work .. 1.0.0 doesn't want to compile .. lets see ..
10:40:42  <TrueBrain> hmm .. 0.4.8 cannot advertise itself
10:41:41  <TrueBrain> it is funny how many issues compilers find these days on old code :P
10:47:05  <TrueBrain> okay, 1.0.0 works, 0.7.0 does not
10:47:14  <TrueBrain> do I care .... well, that is a good question :)
10:56:35  <TrueBrain> it is a freaking one-liner :P
10:57:25  <LordAro> :)
10:57:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain opened pull request #6: Fix: also make sure servers before 1.0.0 can advertise
10:58:02  <TrueBrain> a new level of pedantic, making sure a server more than 13 years old still works, but okay :P
10:58:10  <LordAro> #helping
10:58:21  <LordAro> are there any <1.0 servers running at the moment?
10:58:26  <TrueBrain> no
10:58:37  <TrueBrain> oldest is 1.3.0 for some reason
10:58:49  <TrueBrain> a whole cluster of them
10:58:59  <TrueBrain> pretty sure 7 years ago someone forgot about them, and they are still running
10:59:17  <TrueBrain> Current date: 5345-12-29
10:59:37  <LordAro> :D
10:59:46  <TrueBrain> now review the PR, so I can deploy it :P
11:08:26  <LordAro> TrueBrain: couldn't possibly, i don't understand the code :p
11:08:36  <LordAro> why is that the only branch to explicitly store the session key?
11:08:48  <TrueBrain> the others do too, in the _next_session_id function
11:09:00  <TrueBrain> _get_next_session_key even
11:09:23  <LordAro> right
11:09:36  <TrueBrain> which is the bug .. it is the only branch not storing the session-key :)
11:09:50  <TrueBrain> basically, it pre-announces a server, and later on it is checked if the server really still exists
11:10:00  <TrueBrain> allows for more than one instance of master-server to run :)
11:10:22  <LordAro> it's also the only branch to not send a PACKET_UDP_MASTER_SESSION
11:10:30  <TrueBrain> and this is because of the protocol
11:10:33  <TrueBrain> protocol v1 did not support that
11:10:35  <TrueBrain> v2 does
11:10:44  <LordAro> right
11:10:57  <TrueBrain> comments line 123-126
11:11:24  <TrueBrain> there are so many comments in that file .. just reading them should give you a rough understanding of how complex this protocol became :P
11:11:37  <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> it is a freaking one-liner :P <-- statistically, most things will be one-lineres
11:12:02  <andythenorth> most bugs are just one liners
11:12:11  <andythenorth> if we always committed 2 liners, would we have fewer bugs?
11:12:20  <Eddi|zuHause> it's like if you count the words in a shakespeare play. about half the words will appear exactly once
11:14:09  <Eddi|zuHause> (this is the same underlying mechanics as the 80-20 rule)
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11:58:07  <TrueBrain> LordAro: but I think in general it is safe to say that such PRs don't require an audit on functionality, more if the code quality is sufficient ;) Given I did test it etc :D
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12:39:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #6: Fix: also make sure servers before 1.0.0 can advertise
12:39:06  <LordAro> TrueBrain: :p
12:39:36  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #6: Fix: also make sure servers before 1.0.0 can advertise
12:39:56  <TrueBrain> [OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.1
12:40:22  <TrueBrain> okay, porting the security stuff is easy, but just .. stupid work .. :P
12:40:30  <TrueBrain> I need to copy/paste a shitton of stuff .. bit boring :P
12:41:05  <TrueBrain> and lookup subversion revisions to github hashes ..
12:49:32  <TrueBrain> 1.9.0, 1.4.4, 1.0.0, 0.7.0, 0.6.0 (advertises twice to the master-server, lol), all work. Think that is sufficient amount of testing :D
12:50:34  <TrueBrain> I see someone else also successfully started a server
12:50:50  <TrueBrain> so I guess this is ready to go live :) Tonight, I guess :)
12:51:44  <TrueBrain> hmm ... not sure how often it does DNS resolving .. possibly servers need a restart before it shows up on the new master-server .. worth testing ..
13:13:40  <TrueBrain> okay, DNS is resolved every time
13:14:50  <TrueBrain> so what is going to happen: I am going to change the TTL to < 15 minutes. At change, servers will be registered to the old master-server for the next 15 minutes, or when-ever their next broadcast is. After that, they appear on the new master-server. They remain on the old for another ~20 minutes, till the timeout there kicks in
13:14:59  <TrueBrain> guess that works
13:17:12  <TrueBrain> found a bug in the old master-server .. it does not update your server if there is UTF-8 chars in your servername :P
13:17:14  <TrueBrain> lalalalaaaaaa
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13:39:01  <TrueBrain> interesting .. a CVE, with a patch, but without a commit .. so .. we never patched this upstream, or what is the message here :D
14:08:53  <Eddi|zuHause> when has an unpatched CVE ever hurt anyone... :p
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14:32:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain opened pull request #164: Remove: we no longer use a mirror network that depends on donations
14:32:40  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain opened pull request #165: Add: port the security patches we have for CVEs
14:32:48  <TrueBrain> there ... that should replace "" :)
14:34:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro approved pull request #165: Add: port the security patches we have for CVEs
14:35:06  <TrueBrain> that was ... scary quick LordAro
14:35:12  <TrueBrain> you are okay with the CSS too? :P
14:35:24  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] LordAro approved pull request #164: Remove: we no longer use a mirror network that depends on donations
14:36:04  <LordAro> TrueBrain: that's what staging is for!
14:36:34  <TrueBrain> well, it looks fine; that is not my issue :P I expected something along the lines: ugh, that CSS looks wrong :P
14:36:59  <LordAro> all CSS looks wrong
14:37:03  <TrueBrain> fair enough
14:37:38  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #164: Remove: we no longer use a mirror network that depends on donations
14:37:51  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #165: Add: port the security patches we have for CVEs
14:37:54  <TrueBrain> to staging it goes
14:38:02  <TrueBrain> hmm, I might have merged those two too quickly
14:38:04  <TrueBrain> :D
14:38:52  <TrueBrain> let me cancel one before I make things worse :D
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14:54:31  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #157: Include final URL
14:55:19  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #157: Include final URL
14:55:22  <TrueBrain>
14:55:25  <TrueBrain> LordAro: find the bugs :D
14:55:45  <LordAro> page loads, doesn't it?
14:55:47  <LordAro> what more do you want
14:56:30  <LordAro> i have to say, the fact that we've not "had" a CVE in 2013 is a bit odd
14:56:44  <LordAro> i guess that's about the time that RB stepped down?
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15:00:32  <LordAro> @seen Rubidium
15:00:32  <DorpsGek> LordAro: Rubidium was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 17 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Rubidium> are those from the same NewGRF?
15:04:30  <TrueBrain> LordAro: I think he made most if not all of these .. and if you see the amount of work involved, I can imagine nobody wants to :P
15:04:47  <TrueBrain> and this morning you were overly picky, and now you found the other side of the balance .. not sure if I like that :P :P :D
15:06:30  <LordAro> well in between then i've had to try to convince someone that taking an offline copy (via various recursive wgets) of a Bamboo instance is really not the correct solution to the problem they're trying to solve
15:06:36  <LordAro> so i just don't care anymore
15:07:32  <TrueBrain> gave up on life, poor LordAro :(
15:07:35  * TrueBrain hugs LordAro 
15:07:38  <TrueBrain> it is going to be okay
15:07:39  <TrueBrain> really, it is :)
15:10:18  <LordAro> other today fun was trying to work out why our zfs snapshots are taking so long to copy to another server
15:11:00  <LordAro> it's either "compression too high" or "compression not enough"
15:17:47  <TrueBrain> Or just too much data :p
15:18:34  <LordAro> that is an option also
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16:05:38  <TrueBrain> right .. guess I am going to move the master-server to production .. I can't find a reason why not, except that I don't want to :P
16:07:49  <LordAro> :)
16:08:24  <TrueBrain> and the first servers are already switched .. that went quicker than I expected :P
16:10:03  <TrueBrain> hmm, also servers that are not responding to game-info requests
16:13:48  <TrueBrain> hmm .. possible IPv6 is not getting through ..
16:13:55  <TrueBrain> and my home IPv6 stopped working today :(
16:18:33  <TrueBrain> ah, lol .. NAT gateways didn't have IPv6 assigned .. oops
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16:20:07  <TrueBrain> at least it seems all (most?) IPv4 servers have reproted in :)
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16:48:05  <TrueBrain> okay, and it appears we have a bug .. which I do not understand really :P
16:48:10  <TrueBrain> 1 server doesn't have a map_name ..
16:58:55  <TrueBrain> okay, switching back to the old infra .. I have to look into this in more detail ..
16:58:59  <TrueBrain> I do have a lot of test-data now :D
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17:03:47  <TrueBrain> oops .. the old master-server is not accepting the session-keys ..
17:03:51  <TrueBrain> and it doesn't retransmit a new one ..
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17:04:45  <TrueBrain> so ... guess we are IPv4 only for a bit :)
17:05:20  <Wolf01> Fine, like my API auth system, I discovered like one month after doing it that I couldn't login because I didn't implement a renew token feature
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17:12:21  <andythenorth> hmm
17:12:27  <andythenorth> is it pixels or tanks?
17:12:37  * andythenorth had a break from both due to profound lack of interest
17:12:50  <LordAro> pixel tanks
17:13:05  <andythenorth> taxel pinks
17:13:18  <andythenorth> in the meanwhile I played a lot of Warcraft 1
17:13:22  <andythenorth> trying custom campaigns
17:13:42  <andythenorth> using save-load I managed to win every silly combination of army I could find
17:13:50  <andythenorth> although I didn't try 1 peon and 1 catapult
17:13:53  <andythenorth> I don't think that's viable
17:14:16  <andythenorth> it's about £5 on and is one of the 1994 big 3
17:14:27  <andythenorth> along with TTD and Doom 1 shareware edition
17:14:42  <andythenorth> Railroad Tycoon in 4th Place
17:15:47  <andythenorth>
17:30:59  <Wolf01> I have it on CD-ROM
17:40:57  <TrueBrain> error on socket: [Errno -9] Address family for hostname not supported <- grr @ ECS .. why doesn't this container have IPv6 ..
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17:58:22  <TrueBrain> <- at least that works :D
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18:09:14  <TrueBrain> hmm .. it might be that I cannot get IPv6 enabled on these containers ... mehhhhh
18:17:21  <TrueBrain> okay, to fix this properly, I do have to switch back to the old infra .. how am I going to do that in a smart way ..
18:20:25  <TrueBrain> there we go .. a small patch later
18:20:41  <TrueBrain> okay .. found 2 major blockers I need to investigate ..
18:20:45  <TrueBrain> 1 AWS related, 1 code related ..
18:20:55  <TrueBrain> owh well .. you can't always have them all :D
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18:39:32  <Wolf01> perfect for NRT
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19:38:23  <andythenorth> TrueBrain thanks for doing infra stuff :D
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20:29:40  <FLHerne> ?
20:57:28  <supermop_Home> I am quite bored
20:57:38  <supermop_Home> i even have a fair amount of work to do
20:57:46  <supermop_Home> but i do not want to do it
21:08:09  <andythenorth> I won with 2 catapults and 1 peon
21:08:24  <andythenorth> it's not so hard, you can build a barracks immediately
21:08:44  <andythenorth> the hardest is a lot of useless conjurors at start
21:10:58  <supermop_Home> castles 2: siege and conquest?
21:11:12  <andythenorth> warcraft :P
21:12:45  <supermop_Home>
21:12:56  <andythenorth> pretty similar
21:14:18  <supermop_Home> very little of the game seemed to be the battles
21:14:48  <supermop_Home> also i would always try to build too elaborate of a castle that would take years to finish
21:15:17  <supermop_Home> so by the time it got attacked it just had like 4' high unfinished walls
21:15:52  <supermop_Home>
21:16:11  <supermop_Home> most of it was this and having to pay off the pope
21:23:24  <andythenorth> oh I think there was a BBC Basic version
21:23:27  <TrueBrain> meh ... getting IPv6 on ECS is .. more difficult than I would like :(
21:23:36  <andythenorth> I remember building castles too big, so the walls were too low
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21:25:10  <TrueBrain> easiest is to upgrade our instance type .. which is vastly more expensive
21:25:14  <TrueBrain> (about 5 times more expensive)
21:25:30  <TrueBrain> still nothing compared to the price of bandwidth, ofc :D
21:29:45  <andythenorth> :)
21:31:48  <TrueBrain> well, this is a puzzle
21:32:09  <TrueBrain> <- this server is also a puzzle .. it has no map_name ..
21:33:07  <TrueBrain> but regarding IPv6, basically AWS is working on getting IPv6 to work with ECS, but it is not yet there
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21:33:23  <TrueBrain> I can use what is called an awsvpc, by the looks of it anyway, but .. because of the instance type, I have a very limited amount I can use
21:33:38  <TrueBrain> and it is such a small number, I can not really run the service in an easy to maintain form
21:33:49  <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can think of other hacks/tricks ...
21:34:11  <TrueBrain> fake ipv6 interface in the docker with NAT64 out :P
21:34:55  <TrueBrain> it is funny .. OpenTTD supports IPv6 since 2007 ... AWS does not support IPv6 for all common services yet .. and very little documentation / questions about it (showing not many people care) .. it is weird
21:34:57  <TrueBrain> owh well, bed time
21:35:07  <andythenorth> sleep
21:35:10  <andythenorth> hmm
21:35:14  <andythenorth> nice suggestion
21:35:25  <andythenorth> my wife seems to get up at 5.30am
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