Log for #openttd on 6th October 2020:
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00:50:30  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] bebechien opened issue #43: [ko_KR] Translator access request
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07:01:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] clzls opened issue #44: [zh_CN] Translator access request
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09:43:10  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] StepanIvasyn opened issue #45: [uk_UA] Translator access request
09:54:46  <LordAro> such translate
09:54:48  <LordAro> very language
09:54:56  <LordAro> so international
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10:01:28  <TrueBrain> clearly we should support basesets and NewGRFs on our installation too :P
10:01:31  <TrueBrain> as we have the peeps
10:04:34  <LordAro> indeed
10:17:17  <andythenorth> such newgrf
10:17:27  <andythenorth> all those FIRS translations I've orphaned :P
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10:30:13  <TrueBrain> only 2 matrix user disconnected? Not everyone?
10:30:15  <TrueBrain> awwwhhh
10:30:34  <LordAro> netsplit, not a matrix issue :p
10:30:42  <LordAro> took dorpsgek with it
10:30:51  <TrueBrain> okay, seems we have a solution for mail; we just migrate it to zernebok :)
10:30:58  <TrueBrain> funny, I do not see that in this client :P
10:31:02  <TrueBrain> it is not the best in join/leave :D
10:31:17  <TrueBrain> so with mail done, that means I only have to do supybot
10:31:49  <TrueBrain> almost done ... I can smell it ..... :D
10:31:55  <LordAro> :D
10:32:04  <TrueBrain> and I need to prepare the DNS zone on AWS for migration
10:32:13  <TrueBrain> seems to work just fine, so that is now possible :)
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12:31:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #43: [ko_KR] Translator access request
12:31:29  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #44: [zh_CN] Translator access request
12:31:44  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #45: [uk_UA] Translator access request
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13:58:21  * andythenorth considers ripping the bandage off
13:58:28  <andythenorth> and blackening newgrf python
13:58:43  <andythenorth> enough life has been spent moving spaces around
14:03:02  <andythenorth> fuck me that's more readable generally
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15:09:38  <supermop_Home> hi andythenorth
15:10:32  <andythenorth> yo
15:10:37  <andythenorth> alright?
15:10:58  <supermop_Home> ha
15:11:03  <supermop_Home> no, but who is
15:11:14  <andythenorth> human condition
15:11:14  <supermop_Home> congrats on horse
15:11:17  <andythenorth> ta
15:11:21  <andythenorth> such trains
15:11:55  <supermop_Home> haven't played any in a couple months so sorry for lack of feedback/ etc
15:12:31  <andythenorth> nah it's fine
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15:19:04  <supermop_Home> never saw this
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17:51:57  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master
17:51:57  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
17:59:31  <TrueBrain> msys still down? Holy crap ... Microsoft, fix your vcpkg plzzzzzz
18:00:09  <TrueBrain> Linux is also failing :(
18:00:12  <TrueBrain> LordAro: saaaadddddd
18:00:21  <TrueBrain> not your fault, from what I can tell ... apt fails ..
18:00:32  <TrueBrain> ah, there is no apt update first ..
18:01:21  <TrueBrain> the Windows action also fails with a very verbose error: "Error: Last command execution failed with error code '1'."
18:01:21  <TrueBrain> lol
18:02:10  <TrueBrain>
18:02:15  <TrueBrain> vcpkg did patch their system
18:02:24  <TrueBrain> maybe glx knows what to fix now :)
18:03:09  <TrueBrain> 4 mirrors are china, 1 is russian .. there are 7 mirrors
18:03:14  <TrueBrain> should we be worried?
18:06:13  <TrueBrain> LordAro: apt-get update && apt-get install -y --no-install-recommends
18:06:21  <TrueBrain> that is what I normally use when I want to install apt-something in an automated way
18:54:28  <andythenorth> hmm
18:54:46  <andythenorth> sorry for being dense, but how does the black pipeline work for our projects?
18:54:57  <andythenorth> is it a post-commit code format?
18:55:05  <andythenorth> or does it just fail CI if you don't match black?
18:55:15  <TrueBrain> a human post-commit, and CI :)
18:55:44  <andythenorth> so far I am thinking I just apply it manually occasionally
18:55:58  <andythenorth> can't see an integration for my editor, and can't see how else to run it
18:56:52  <TrueBrain> that is what I do :)
18:56:59  <TrueBrain> "occasionally" being every commit
18:57:02  <TrueBrain> mostly after I made the PR
18:57:04  <TrueBrain> but what-ever :P
18:58:23  <frosch123> there are projects, which run code formatters on PRs and force push them back.
18:59:05  <andythenorth> seems overkill
18:59:05  <frosch123> but that does not apply to the single-auther case without PRs :)
18:59:37  <frosch123> andythenorth: it also removes a metric for judging the code quality :)
18:59:56  <andythenorth> I am dubious about auto code formatting
19:00:05  <andythenorth> but I have spent enough life doing it manually, I am bored of it
19:00:22  <TrueBrain> it is exactly that
19:00:23  <frosch123> "dubious" about what? are you worried it breaks your code?
19:00:30  <TrueBrain> why do something yourself if a computer can do it ..
19:00:49  <TrueBrain> that "ego" part has little place in development :)
19:00:50  <andythenorth> I am dubious about programming without learning abut readability
19:00:54  <andythenorth> about *
19:01:23  <frosch123> ah, don't worry. code formatter won't name your variables properly :)
19:01:59  <andythenorth> the rest of it, all the linebreaks and whitespace indenting blah blah
19:02:06  <andythenorth> I could happily never touch again
19:02:17  <TrueBrain> so stop touching it already
19:02:22  <TrueBrain> you really already spend too much words on it
19:02:23  <andythenorth> I installed black and ran it
19:02:45  <andythenorth> I am preparing to try and win a debate somewhere else
19:03:07  <andythenorth> you are practice :P
19:03:23  <andythenorth> debate practice, how Trump got covid :|
19:03:36  <frosch123> andythenorth: ah, in that case: only use code formatters to format code
19:03:51  <frosch123> as nml and eints show: data tables are not code :p
19:04:00  <TrueBrain> he is now immune, who knows!
19:04:10  <glx> oh I see in the logs
19:04:26  <frosch123> andythenorth: did he even have it?
19:05:10  <frosch123> i already wondered when that brazilian guy was reported to have it... it's also convenient to say "i survived it easily"
19:05:16  <TrueBrain> it was fake news .. just media ..
19:05:43  <glx> TrueBrain: ah vcpkg still fails for the same reason, but I think it's because we rely on the installed vcpkg and don't try to get latest version
19:05:45  <frosch123> the russian guy is probably too strong to even get it :)
19:06:24  <andythenorth> I wondered about data tables, but I didn't find any I made
19:06:41  <andythenorth> mostly just lots of lists, which blackening improves
19:07:20  <andythenorth> went looking for html / css auto-formatting, might try this
19:07:38  <andythenorth> dunno if it's good
19:07:50  <frosch123> xmllint has a pretty-printer
19:08:03  <frosch123> but it probably only works for proper xml, not for templates and stuff
19:15:47  <andythenorth> I wrote some proper xml once
19:15:48  <andythenorth> in 2003
19:16:04  <TrueBrain> then you spend a year in a clinic recovering? :D
19:21:57  <andythenorth> I am more resilient than that
19:22:04  <andythenorth> I went home after 2 days and gave a speech
19:22:07  <FLHerne> Once I read an entire textbook on how to write proper XML, while on a plane to New York
19:22:21  <FLHerne> When I got home, I implemented the thing in not-XML :p
19:22:22  <andythenorth> I had an O'Reilly book about it
19:22:24  <andythenorth> very boring
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20:54:21  <frosch123> andythenorth: <- how on topic :)
20:55:27  * andythenorth watches
20:56:02  <andythenorth> is this now just one of those settled issues?
20:56:22  <andythenorth> or will it run forever, like 'which editor' debate?
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20:56:27  <frosch123> sometimes problems shift :)
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20:56:58  <andythenorth> I long ago settled on automated validation of output
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20:57:03  <andythenorth> despite initial opposition
20:57:47  <andythenorth> we have 2 rules for work code formatting
20:57:51  <andythenorth> 1. format how you think best
20:57:59  <andythenorth> 2. don't waste time arguing other people's formats
20:58:11  <andythenorth> 1 without 2 is a total train wreck
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23:42:09  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda opened pull request #47: Change: Some minor layout and css improvements
23:44:58  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] spnda updated pull request #47: Change: Some minor layout and css improvements

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