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Log for #openttd on 27th October 2020:
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01:25:22  <Guest4407> Hello! Is it possible to change refresh rate of OpenTTD on Linux? I have 280hz monitor. I added display_hz = 280 to my config file, but nothing changed
01:41:58  <glx> display_hz is windows only
01:42:17  <Guest4407> Aw that sucks
01:43:03  <glx> and it's for fullscreen mode only
01:43:29  <glx> everything else should use desktop refresh rate
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07:57:52  <andythenorth> yo
07:58:07  <andythenorth> can't think why, but situation seems familiar :) https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/26/linux_kernel_intel/
08:29:53  <Eddi|zuHause> well, my software engineering professor said, maintenance is 90% of the work, but everybody only wants to do the other 10%
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09:58:31  <TrueBrain> fuck you CSS .. FireFox inspect tool is lying
09:58:41  <TrueBrain> well, it is not, but fuck CSS :P
09:59:03  <longtomjr> I think that is a message we all can get behind
09:59:20  <LordAro> lewd
09:59:22  <TrueBrain> which is the worst :P
09:59:50  <TrueBrain> so I made 4 boxes with an height of 150px
09:59:53  <TrueBrain> they all have different heights :P
10:04:50  <TrueBrain> right .. now how to vertical align stuff .. hmm
10:05:22  <TrueBrain> table-cell to the rescue
10:07:37  <longtomjr> are you using grid?
10:07:57  <TrueBrain> https://55984caaa3e9.eu.ngrok.io/en/Manual/Cargo#cargo-types-flow-charts
10:07:57  <andythenorth> 'how to vertical align stuff'
10:07:59  <andythenorth> lol
10:07:59  <TrueBrain> that looks good enough
10:08:07  <andythenorth> that looks perfect
10:08:16  <andythenorth> one day these things will be simple
10:08:23  <TrueBrain> not sure how other galleries work, but what-ever :P
10:08:31  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: the day the Internet dies? :P
10:14:30  <TrueBrain> https://55984caaa3e9.eu.ngrok.io/en/Community/NewGRF/Romtrain/Picture
10:14:33  <TrueBrain> okay, even that looks nice
10:14:53  <TrueBrain> just "center" has different meanings for a h2 as for a caption .. which triggers my OCD
10:15:47  <TrueBrain> fixed
10:15:48  <TrueBrain> :D
10:17:08  <TrueBrain> okay, that was easier than I expected :) happy now
10:18:18  <TrueBrain> https://55984caaa3e9.eu.ngrok.io/en/Manual/Signals <- wish I knew how to make the captions not exceed the size of the image ... but the width is not defined here, so I am not sure that is possible
10:18:26  <TrueBrain> people can just declare the width, and it will be fixed
10:18:57  <longtomjr> the captions under the images
10:23:30  <TrueBrain> guess either someone needs to go through the pages and set a width, or someone needs to find some CSS magic :D
10:23:41  <TrueBrain> it does look a lot better if the width of the image is winning
10:25:53  <TrueBrain> mediawiki inspects the image, and hardcodes the width .. I would like to avoid that :D
10:26:26  <longtomjr> I am sure there is a way to do this with CSS, but I might be wrong
10:28:41  <TrueBrain> sadly, "hope" is not a currency I can trade :)
10:29:29  <longtomjr> I were having a poke around and a look, but my power has been cut because of building this whole morning, so need to get some paying work done.
10:36:13  <longtomjr> TrueBrain, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/figcaption
10:38:29  <longtomjr> not css, but it might work for this
10:40:08  <TrueBrain> I guess, but that requires some more changes :P
10:41:59  <longtomjr> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30686191/how-to-make-image-caption-width-to-match-image-width
10:43:27  <TrueBrain> same solution ;)
10:43:29  <longtomjr> `display: table-caption;` seems to do something as well
10:43:49  <longtomjr> Yep, but I were referencing the table-caption and other css properties
10:43:58  <TrueBrain> check the HTML :)
10:44:02  <TrueBrain> it is just another <figure> :)
10:44:13  <TrueBrain> when using <figure>, the rest follows
10:44:17  <TrueBrain> but that is a bit of a change :)
10:45:34  <longtomjr> adding the `display: table-caption;` to the .thumbcaption class changes it to not change the sizing anymore
10:46:02  <longtomjr> it is still not correct, but there might be a way to get it to play ball without having to change the markup
10:46:53  <TrueBrain> lol .. so that answer overcomplicated the situation; nice :P
10:47:32  <TrueBrain> well, that heavily improves the Signals page
10:47:33  <TrueBrain> nice
10:47:57  <longtomjr> link?
10:48:34  <TrueBrain> the same as earlier :)
10:48:39  <longtomjr> yaay, nice
10:53:34  <TrueBrain> now to figure out where the vertical spacing comes from between caption and image
10:53:37  <TrueBrain> it is off by a few pixels
10:54:01  <TrueBrain> nothing is claiming the space ..
10:59:41  <TrueBrain> funny, FireFox renders the caption fine; Chrome fucks it up :P
11:01:20  <longtomjr> Thanks google
11:01:46  <longtomjr> What about IE though
11:03:30  <TrueBrain> zero fucks were given
11:03:56  <longtomjr> lol
11:04:13  <TrueBrain> and now Chrome draws the border wrong
11:04:14  <TrueBrain> lol
11:07:56  <TrueBrain> right, "fixed" it :P
11:35:36  <TrueBrain> okay, pushed all the changes to GitHub, w00p. Next job on the list ... copy the code from bananas-server to download and reload the GitHub "data" repository :) pam pam pammmmm
11:37:39  <TrueBrain> https://55984caaa3e9.eu.ngrok.io/en/Community/Junctionary/3%E2%88%954ths%20junction <- "This junction is pretty easy to make, but is not complete and so trains can get lost. " .... lol?
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13:07:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i've never understood the "junctionary"
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13:28:11  * andythenorth reads
13:28:17  <andythenorth> wow https://55984caaa3e9.eu.ngrok.io/en/Community/Junctionary/Dual%20Branch-Merge%20Junction
13:29:59  <longtomjr> https://55984caaa3e9.eu.ngrok.io/en/Community/Junctionary/Quad%20Branch-Merge%20Junction
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13:30:50  <andythenorth> this is my most advanced junction currently grf.farm/images/junctionary.png
13:30:57  <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/images/junctionary.png
13:31:24  <longtomjr> Hmm is that flyover needed?
13:32:17  <andythenorth> I often don't bother
13:32:25  <andythenorth> but flat crossings cause contention
13:32:57  <andythenorth> and a PBS signal gap has to be left, as long as longest train
13:33:20  <andythenorth> which means the track throughput is reduced even when flat crossing is not in use
13:33:49  <longtomjr> Yep, but that is fine untill traffic picks up
13:35:02  <longtomjr> I normally try to upgrade my lines organically, or use existing bridges / tunnels to avoid creating new grade seperated crossings
13:35:26  <andythenorth> mostly I do this until the route starts to block
13:35:28  <andythenorth> https://grf.farm/images/junctionary_2.png
13:37:03  <longtomjr> yep, I do similar stuff, I try to avoid the x-es though, since irl if there is space it is a lot easier to not have rails crossing
13:52:40  <andythenorth> so the commuter airport is really high throughput
13:52:45  <andythenorth> assuming only small planes are needed
13:55:22  <Timberwolf> andythenorth: Same here, realistic until it needs to not be realistic :)
13:58:12  <Timberwolf> Although the point at Wimbledon where the SWML goes from (up slow, up fast, down fast, down slow) to (up fast, down fast, up slow, down slow) I count as a real-world prototype for a typical OpenTTD junction.
13:58:44  <longtomjr> I mean once the traffic gets big enough, flyover and more complicated junctions start to be required irl as well
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14:00:02  <Timberwolf> Yep, it's just rarer to have that volume (and usually irl we tolerate 1-2m wait for a signal across a flat junction)
14:00:26  <longtomjr> Also, ttd scale being a bit odd etc, lines tend to get a lot more traffic than you might expect
14:01:42  <longtomjr> I mostly build my lines to be ok with waiting, especially long trains that carry bulk cargo, so waiting at a passing loop is quite common
14:25:50  <FLHerne> I think Windmill Bridge is a better example
14:25:58  <FLHerne> Particularly after the upcoming rebuild
14:26:15  <FLHerne> https://www.londonreconnections.com/wp-content/uploads/Windmill-Bridge-Complex-June-2020-1.jpg
14:26:46  <longtomjr> oh wow that is cool
14:26:56  <FLHerne> https://www.londonreconnections.com/wp-content/uploads/WBJ-8b-3.png
14:27:46  <FLHerne> (yes, those are multiple three-level bridges)
14:29:20  <FLHerne> It has a junction on a Y-shaped bridge above another junction on another Y-shaped bridge above a junction
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15:29:37  <supermop_Home> yo
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17:52:03  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JTPRq
17:52:03  <DorpsGek_III>   - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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18:11:37  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] andrejmoltok opened issue #68: [hu_HU] Translator access request https://git.io/JTPEq
18:41:05  <supermop_Home> i should get back to drawing sprites or something
19:04:27  <andythenorth> I enjoy it
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20:35:51  <andythenorth> well
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21:51:02  <supermop_Home> well indeed
21:51:09  <supermop_Home> tried to go early vote
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21:53:46  <supermop_Home> line too long going to try again tomorrow
21:54:21  <FLHerne> US?
21:54:25  <FLHerne> Your voting system sucks
21:54:47  <supermop_Home> no way to change it other than by voting though
21:54:53  <supermop_Home> new York city
21:55:03  * FLHerne has never waited in a queue of more than three people to vote :p
21:55:09  <FLHerne> Well, three people and a dog
21:55:44  <supermop_Home> new York is always bizarrely difficult to vote in, moreso than most other states
21:55:46  <FLHerne> But dogs can't vote, so perhaps it doesn't count
21:56:18  <supermop_Home> this is the first time they even did early voting here (many other states have had it for years)
21:56:58  <supermop_Home> and they really just half-assed it. there seems to be like only one early voting location for all of lower manhattan
21:59:42  <FLHerne> tfw when you write a patch and then discover why the original author didn't do it that way
22:00:05  <FLHerne> Also, nml doesn't have enough tests :-(
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22:05:22  <andythenorth> oof
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22:05:47  <andythenorth> I wish I had automated tests
22:05:50  <andythenorth> so that some days
22:05:54  <andythenorth> I could jenkins
22:06:02  <andythenorth> and it would say "stay in bed, you don't work"
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23:02:35  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/team] JuniuSeifero opened issue #69: [pt_BR] Translator access request https://git.io/JTP7I
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