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10:37:18 <petern> No, they operate differently. Network highlights the row by y-position (empty rows will , file window highlights row by item (so is more complex 10:37:41 <petern> I think my enter key is broken, it's way too sensitive. 10:38:10 <glx[d]> At least on discord it's possible to edit the message 😉 10:40:33 <LordAro> pfft, own your mistakes 10:44:01 <andythenorth> I "make" a lot less typos on Discord 10:44:10 <andythenorth> when I see irc logs, I'm borderline illiterate 10:44:19 <andythenorth> less / fewer? 10:45:59 <LordAro> fewer. 10:48:02 <andythenorth> fewer "less" 10:52:26 <dP> fewerless 10:55:01 <LordAro> i think it might be less "less", actually 10:55:27 <LordAro> it feels a bit arbitrary whether the number of "less" used is continuous or not 10:56:18 <petern> He makes so many mistakes they're uncountable? 11:00:45 <LordAro> maybe 11:03:55 <reldred> Lesserer 11:33:24 <andythenorth> infinitely many mistakes 11:41:34 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 11:42:03 <andythenorth> lol something something group behaviour 11:42:20 <andythenorth> 'control over removing wagons is bad mmmk' 11:42:46 <andythenorth> although in my current game I do keep screwing myself due to it now being a pre-group toggle 11:42:58 <andythenorth> it's correct behaviour though 11:46:55 <petern> You can set it recursively. 11:47:22 <petern> The magical ctrl key. 11:51:08 <andythenorth> magical 11:58:31 * andythenorth backs away from a reddit wall of text 11:58:39 <andythenorth> although 11:58:55 <andythenorth> problem is, I'm old enough to know better, and too old to care 😛 11:59:11 <andythenorth> but arguing with the internet is silly 12:14:31 <LordAro> but what if someone is /wrong/ ? 12:18:05 <andythenorth> well 12:18:09 <andythenorth> yes 12:20:12 <reldred> I just don’t go near reddit to begin with, if the forums are vexing, then surely forums but full of redditors would be worse. 12:22:06 <andythenorth> mostly reddit is totally lovely 12:22:16 <andythenorth> almost every conversation goes like this 12:22:20 <andythenorth> 1. screenshot 12:22:25 <andythenorth> -> "what grfs" 12:22:32 <andythenorth> -> "use coal as moneymaker" 12:22:42 <andythenorth> -> "but WTF where block signals?" 12:22:49 <andythenorth> --> "nah they're here, no drama" 12:22:56 <andythenorth> -> "what grfs?" 12:23:06 <andythenorth> repeat daily 12:23:16 <andythenorth> it has changed this year 12:23:21 <andythenorth> it used to be mostly 12:23:33 <andythenorth> "FIRS, wtf? Why my water tankers transporting rubber?" 12:23:39 <andythenorth> but that stopped now 12:44:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/dibridge] poVoq opened issue #62: option to ignore certain users? https://github.com/OpenTTD/dibridge/issues/62 12:46:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/dibridge] poVoq commented on issue #59: Running multiple instances of dibridge? User-tag customizaton? https://github.com/OpenTTD/dibridge/issues/59 12:55:13 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:09:00 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 13:09:43 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:12:45 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 13:17:16 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 13:19:49 *** sla_ro|master2 has joined #openttd 13:23:03 <TallTyler> andythenorth: You’re welcome for creating the new problem to talk about 13:25:22 <andythenorth> forums was mostly "but the game never changes, omfg how awful mean devs are" 13:25:41 <andythenorth> reddit is mostly "omfg, game changed, who the fuck is driving this, they are asleep at the wheel" 13:25:51 <andythenorth> different audiences I guess 😄 13:27:23 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 13:32:57 <dP> different times :p 13:34:45 <dP> game was somewhat dead in 2015-2018 13:34:48 <andythenorth> forums attract armchair warriors who know best how it should have been done 13:35:04 <andythenorth> same for Lego, model trains, Tank game, Ford Transit vans 13:35:25 <andythenorth> whatever is done, the poster would have done it better, smarter, without all the obvious terrible serious fuck ups 13:35:34 <andythenorth> but they never actually get off their ass in the armchair 13:35:42 <andythenorth> reddit attracts...dunno...lovely people? 13:47:39 *** sla_ro|master2 has quit IRC 14:02:10 *** wallabra has quit IRC 14:39:17 <Timberwolf> Apart from the endless crap about signals from people who seemingly have no interest in understanding what's actually going on or how the game works. 14:41:47 <Timberwolf> I do like where people discovering the game do exactly the kind of silly amusing things I remember doing back in 1994, though :D 14:44:04 <Timberwolf> I totally had savegames where I'd taken out the maximum loan and used it to build an enormous racetrack with just enough money left over to buy one of every road vehicle. 14:44:49 <andythenorth> it's Timberwolf 🙂 14:44:54 <andythenorth> who was missed 14:45:15 <Timberwolf> I exist briefly, on alternate Wednesdays. 15:00:54 *** nielsm has joined #openttd 15:12:40 <NekoMasterSomeCanadi> Oh hey its Timberwolf 15:12:59 <NekoMasterSomeCanadi> Good to see buds isn't dead 15:13:07 <NekoMasterSomeCanadi> 🙃 15:22:28 *** supermop_toil has joined #openttd 15:28:09 <supermop_toil> yo 15:34:41 *** wallabra has joined #openttd 16:26:21 <petern> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1019645290413817946/unknown.png 16:26:21 <petern> Can I do 2 colour SVG... Hmm 😄 16:26:52 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 16:28:48 <andythenorth> that suggests you can 😛 16:28:58 <andythenorth> svgs are quite amenable to text-based processing 😛 16:29:01 <andythenorth> replacing colours and stuff 16:45:24 *** CheeseSprinkles has joined #openttd 16:51:04 <petern> Well 16:54:44 <petern> All I know is it scales nicely. 17:06:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr has joined #openttd 17:26:02 *** sla_ro|master has joined #openttd 17:28:27 *** Tirili has joined #openttd 17:49:57 <supermop_toil> it's more like a cad drawing, so scale is pretty meaningless to it 17:50:08 <supermop_toil> just tell the turtle how far you need it to walk 17:57:40 *** wallabra has quit IRC 18:07:52 *** Smedles has quit IRC 18:07:52 *** Flygon has quit IRC 18:07:52 *** APTX has quit IRC 18:07:52 *** birdjj has quit IRC 18:12:57 *** birdjj has joined #openttd 18:12:57 *** Smedles_ has joined #openttd 18:12:57 *** Flygon has joined #openttd 18:12:57 *** APTX has joined #openttd 18:37:10 *** Extrems has quit IRC 18:38:51 *** Extrems has joined #openttd 18:56:46 *** gelignite has joined #openttd 18:59:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/commit/984e0b1263aff80a43ac659463b39cd64ac15b1f 18:59:24 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators) 19:12:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] GarlicBread42 opened issue #10032: [Bug]: Articulated Vehicles not showing correct capacity in buy menu https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10032 19:13:17 *** Wolf01 has joined #openttd 19:13:50 <supermop_toil> hi Wolf01 19:14:17 <Wolf01> o/ 19:15:07 <supermop_toil> i've got a question for you - what do the ///, //, / signs on the side of italian railways mean? 19:15:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #10032: [Bug]: Articulated Vehicles not showing correct capacity in buy menu https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10032 19:16:49 <Wolf01> I don't know, are they sequential? 19:17:47 <supermop_toil> yeah 19:18:08 <Wolf01> Distance indicators probably 19:18:47 <supermop_toil> it will be to the right of the right track (i assume they usually face opposide typical direction, but maybe i didn't look out the left window enough) 19:19:16 <Wolf01> The horizontal ones are max speed indicators 19:19:22 <andythenorth> axle load! 19:19:30 <supermop_toil> they are tall skinny signs with first three white diagonal stripes, then two, then one 19:19:31 <andythenorth> using the standardised railtype scheme! 19:19:46 <andythenorth> braking distance? 19:19:52 <supermop_toil> and pretty much the same distance after 1 is another 3 19:20:11 <andythenorth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1008473233844097104/1019689037914718229/unknown.png 19:20:11 <andythenorth> reminds me of 19:20:21 <supermop_toil> i thought there would be a new speed limit after 1 or a switch, or signal 19:20:48 <supermop_toil> but i typically didn't notice anything in particular they were counting down to 19:21:02 <supermop_toil> and right after one set would be another 19:21:29 <Wolf01> Oh, priority signals 19:21:43 <supermop_toil> andythenorth: yeah, but / instead of \, and white on black background 19:21:45 <Wolf01> https://www.segnalifs.it/sfi/it/sa/images/65_2.gif 19:21:52 <Wolf01> Are these ones? 19:22:09 <supermop_toil> yes like b) 19:22:35 <supermop_toil> i don't recall the 3-stripe having a white triangle at bottom like a) shows there 19:23:50 <supermop_toil> and why do they point backwards? is it related to running trains on wrong track? 19:24:01 *** AwFi has joined #openttd 19:24:01 <AwFi> supermop_toil: Distance to something, a signal, a speed limit 19:24:56 <supermop_toil> AwFi: that's what i thought, but i usually didn't notice a signal or speedlimit sign after / 19:25:22 <AwFi> Weird 19:25:31 <supermop_toil> anyway, hadn't noticed those on UK or other continental railways before 19:26:04 <supermop_toil> had a pretty rail filled week at least 19:26:22 <AwFi> supermop_toil: This is because many of the important lines are made to run trains in two directions on both the tracks 19:26:46 <supermop_toil> i guess every week is rail filled now that i commute by subway again instead of walking 19:27:13 <supermop_toil> but the scenery outside the window there was a bit nicer than a subway tunnel 19:32:00 <Wolf01> https://www.segnalifs.it/sfi/it/sa/2022_esempi.htm lol, it seem a photoshot of an OpenTTD shunting yard 19:32:19 <Wolf01> With PBS overlay enabled 19:34:24 <JGR> OpenTTD didn't invent the concept of reserved or occupied segments being lit up or shown in a different colour... 19:36:30 <Wolf01> http://www.segnalifs.it/sfi/it/sa/N_pl.htm 19:36:33 <Wolf01> Found it 19:37:16 <supermop_toil> hmm these were on high speed lines though 19:37:18 <Wolf01> They are near level crossings 19:38:07 <supermop_toil> whatever the 'frecciarosso' runs on 19:38:13 <Wolf01> We don't have high speed lines 19:38:50 <Wolf01> We have main lines and secondary lines 19:39:05 <AwFi> supermop_toil: Well those signals are only on single track railway before level crossing 19:39:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr has quit IRC 19:39:42 <supermop_toil> hmm 19:40:02 <supermop_toil> also - why are the sides of the rail painted white/light grey? 19:40:10 <AwFi> supermop_toil: Frecciarossa runs on high speed and conventional lines, usually distance panels are not used in high speed lines 19:40:36 <AwFi> supermop_toil: Reduce the temperature in summmer 19:41:05 <supermop_toil> does that actually work? 19:42:09 <AwFi> Yeah 19:43:06 *** Flygon has quit IRC 19:44:38 <supermop_toil> also noted - the m3 line station interiors in milan are amazing 19:45:15 <supermop_toil> it's like being in an old interior design magazine 19:48:25 <andythenorth> I really liked Milan 19:48:43 <andythenorth> got stuck there for 4 extra days in June 19:48:51 <andythenorth> Easyjet cancelled flights twice 19:49:00 <andythenorth> Centrale is impressive too 19:51:28 *** Guest231 has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** JamesRoss[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** fiddeldibu[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** twom[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** natmac[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** nartir[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** hylshols7qui[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** glothit7ok[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** dude[m]1 has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** jeeg[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** grag[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** udo[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** shedidthedog[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** zzy2357[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** gdown has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** gretel[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** EmeraldSnorlax[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** patrick[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** phil[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** jact[m] has quit IRC 19:51:28 *** elliot[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** nolep[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** philip[m]12 has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** NekomimiGunner18[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** joey[m]1 has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** jeremy[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** patricia[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** linda[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** igor[m]12 has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** natalie[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** yur3shmukcik[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** pothyurf[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** labs[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** cawal[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** josef[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** christoph[m] has quit IRC 19:51:29 *** freu[m] has quit IRC 19:51:30 *** ist5shreawf[m] has quit IRC 19:51:30 *** khavik[m] has quit IRC 19:51:30 *** Heiki[m] has quit IRC 19:51:30 *** einar[m] has quit IRC 19:51:30 *** CornsMcGowan[m] has quit IRC 19:51:30 *** cjmonagle[m] has quit IRC 19:51:31 *** olmvnec[m] has quit IRC 19:51:31 *** AmyRivers[m] has quit IRC 19:51:31 *** karoline[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** thomas[m]123 has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** paulus[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** ookfof[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** dag[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** menelaos[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** albert[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** magdalena[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** johanna[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** kstar892[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** osvaldo[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** robert[m] has quit IRC 19:51:32 *** aperezdc__ has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** vista_narvas[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** thelonelyellipsis[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** rudolfs[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** leward[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** hamstonkid[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** giords[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** blikjeham[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** andythenorth[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** amal[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** karl[m]1234 has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** citronbleuv[m] has quit IRC 19:51:33 *** lunchboxhero[m] has quit IRC 19:57:14 <supermop_toil> andythenorth: centrale is somewhat ridiculously over the top edifice 19:57:38 <supermop_toil> love the design of Florence SMN t 19:59:48 <AwFi> SMN is ugly of outside 20:00:42 <AwFi> Milan centrale is huge and impressive 20:01:52 <andythenorth> I could spend weeks in Milan 20:02:15 <andythenorth> and when it gets boring, go up Monte Generosso 20:02:24 <supermop_toil> i really like that italian futurist inspired early modernism of SMN 20:02:44 *** Aileen[m] has joined #openttd 20:02:47 <AwFi> andythenorth: I spend an hour in the station about once a month and it's enough🤣 20:02:48 <supermop_toil> and the big waterfall window over the taxi portico 20:03:16 *** Aileen[m] has quit IRC 20:03:19 <supermop_toil> andythenorth: lots of good coffee and beer spots to find 20:03:34 <AwFi> SMN is gonna become an only local train station 20:03:48 <AwFi> Soon ish ™️ 20:04:18 <supermop_toil> it does seem weird to have florence as a terminus layout when it seems most services are continuing 20:04:56 <supermop_toil> curious to see what they are going to do with the big empty rail yard down by Prada Foundation 20:04:59 <AwFi> Yeah that's why there are plans to build a new station 20:06:18 *** WormnestAndroid has quit IRC 20:06:20 *** WormnestAndroid has joined #openttd 20:07:01 <supermop_toil> andythenorth: i could live in milan 20:07:06 *** gelignite has quit IRC 20:08:06 <supermop_toil> i think its a very complementary fit for new yorkers 20:08:25 <supermop_toil> very different from new york, but there are rhymes 20:10:02 <AwFi> supermop_toil: Where are you from? 20:10:04 *** Extrems` has joined #openttd 20:14:29 *** Aileen[m] has joined #openttd 20:15:35 *** Extrems has quit IRC 20:15:35 *** Extrems` is now known as Extrems 20:15:51 *** nielsm has quit IRC 20:19:44 <andythenorth> UK 20:20:05 *** wallabra has joined #openttd 20:22:13 <supermop_toil> ha 20:22:22 <supermop_toil> i live in new york 20:22:34 <supermop_toil> i did live in yorkshire for a bit in the 90s 20:23:55 <AwFi> supermop_toil: Ok now I understand why you said you can live in Milan lol 20:27:11 <supermop_toil> this trip was my first time seeing more than just the train station 20:28:50 <supermop_toil> andythenorth: more steel mills? 20:29:16 <supermop_toil> or have you moved on to something else while i was gone? 20:34:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #10032: [Bug]: Articulated Vehicles not showing correct capacity in buy menu https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/10032 20:53:33 <andythenorth> supermop_toil FIRS objects currently 20:53:44 <andythenorth> I will redraw the blast furnace, but drawing got a bit intense 20:54:57 <supermop_toil> NEAT 20:55:04 <supermop_toil> oops 20:55:08 <supermop_toil> autocad 21:04:50 *** Wormnest has quit IRC 21:11:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/dibridge] TrueBrain commented on issue #62: option to ignore certain users? https://github.com/OpenTTD/dibridge/issues/62 21:11:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/dibridge] TrueBrain closed issue #62: option to ignore certain users? https://github.com/OpenTTD/dibridge/issues/62 21:30:01 *** OsteHovel has quit IRC 21:40:40 *** Wolf01 has quit IRC 21:43:36 <petern> I had a lovely cad package for DOS back in the day 21:53:26 *** Wormnest has joined #openttd 21:54:50 *** sla_ro|master has quit IRC 21:58:28 *** Markk has quit IRC 22:05:41 <petern> Hmm, still exists apparently, although for Windows, and a name change. 22:06:35 *** Markk has joined #openttd 23:22:22 *** Deep3D has quit IRC 23:22:52 *** Deep3D has joined #openttd