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Log for #openttdcoop on 2nd October 2011:
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00:40:15  <Jkrueger> !cure
00:40:18  <Jkrueger> !curve
00:40:18  <PublicServer> Jkrueger: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Max_Curve_Speed
00:42:42  <Jkrueger> blah latex finished downloading back to work
00:42:45  <Jkrueger> o/ all
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05:15:50  <Tray> !password
05:15:50  <PublicServer> Tray: goofed
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06:47:24  <Franco> !password
06:47:24  <PublicServer> Franco: goofed
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06:48:36  <Absolutis> !password
06:48:36  <PublicServer> Absolutis: goofed
06:49:18  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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06:49:24  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hi
06:49:28  <PublicServer> <Franco> hi
06:49:34  <PublicServer> <Franco> i just wanted to leave
06:49:40  <PublicServer> <Franco> but if you wanna play i can stay online
06:50:02  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> you can,  i have an industry i want to die
06:50:16  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> and industries dont die when the game isnt running
06:50:43  <PublicServer> <Franco> ok, then i stay for a while
06:50:45  <PublicServer> <Franco> brb
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06:58:02  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> that's sure a long train
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07:15:07  <BigElephant> !password
07:15:07  <PublicServer> BigElephant: pleats
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07:16:10  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> goods are piling up in west
07:16:49  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> there's almost a load for one train
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07:42:08  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> your slh needs prios franco
07:42:27  <PublicServer> <Franco> ok
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08:00:56  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
08:01:02  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hi
08:01:04  <PublicServer> <Franco> hey
08:02:57  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> nice, 40 million £ income
08:04:50  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oke how is the balnce for primaries to drop. just random?
08:05:00  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> eh
08:05:09  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> oh nvm i looked wrong
08:05:38  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i looked at plan and thought of something else
08:06:56  <PublicServer> <Franco> it's strange that the two stations are not balanced
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08:10:28  <Franco> gtg
08:10:28  <Franco> bye
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08:41:20  <Maraxus> !password
08:41:20  <PublicServer> Maraxus: bodice
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08:41:51  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
08:41:57  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
08:42:21  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hello
08:42:39  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 0005B320: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/0005B320.png
08:43:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> more eyecandy
08:44:22  <V453000> !password
08:44:22  <PublicServer> V453000: roller
08:44:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
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08:44:42  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
08:44:44  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
08:44:46  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hi
08:44:50  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hi
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08:53:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> can someone clarify to me why do we have a service center?
08:53:49  <PublicServer> <V453000> Absolutis?
08:54:08  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hmm, i guess some spawning depots would be enough
08:54:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes
08:54:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> this just creates needless accessible depots
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08:57:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> crap not again
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08:57:54  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> i fail at choosing the right cargo train 3 stations in a row
08:58:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> lol
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09:02:14  <aldor> !password
09:02:14  <PublicServer> aldor: crotch
09:02:49  <aldor> hi
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09:02:59  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hi hi
09:03:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
09:03:03  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
09:03:07  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hi
09:03:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> hello
09:03:47  <PublicServer> *** Absolutis has joined spectators
09:05:13  <PublicServer> <aldor> nice plan)
09:05:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> :p
09:05:47  <PublicServer> <aldor> looks like we can skip voting anymore)
09:05:56  <PublicServer> <V453000> ...
09:06:04  <PublicServer> <aldor> V wins anyway)
09:07:10  <PublicServer> <V453000> ooh
09:07:13  <PublicServer> <V453000> west is missing a refinery
09:07:25  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> someone walked it
09:07:37  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes but not pickup ...
09:08:29  <PublicServer> <V453000> well, my bad, it should have been there from the very start
09:09:55  <PublicServer> <aldor> why trains 291 & 316 go without full load?
09:10:05  <PublicServer> <V453000> to rebalance them
09:10:11  <PublicServer> <aldor> k
09:10:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> the missing refinery made more trains stay at west
09:12:40  <PublicServer> ***  made screenshot at 00037898: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/publicserver/webcam/00037898.png
09:16:58  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> jummy i found some maize
09:17:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> with correct trains? :D
09:17:26  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> we will see in 2 min
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09:18:40  <V453000> @calc 70/13
09:18:40  <Webster> V453000: 5.38461538462
09:18:56  <V453000> Vinnie: our income/costs ratio :p
09:19:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yeah yeah you where right and i was wrong
09:19:24  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> again
09:20:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> might not be about right or wrong but it makes no sense to suddenly not make profit on a gigantic map with long and fast trains
09:20:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> the primary trains  are like TL3 x2 which is nothing unusual
09:27:35  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> who does Paarl Halt?
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09:40:25  <V453000> later
09:40:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
09:40:32  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> cu
09:40:45  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> see u
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09:43:22  <mfb-> hi
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09:43:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
09:43:27  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hi
09:43:29  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hey
09:43:29  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
09:44:57  <PublicServer> <mfb> :D
09:47:14  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> bye
09:47:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya
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09:51:44  <hylje> derp
09:51:55  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> herp
09:51:58  <hylje> !password
09:51:58  <PublicServer> hylje: grazed
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09:52:17  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
09:53:59  <PublicServer> <hylje> dirt roads in 2040, is this racist?
09:54:06  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> :P
09:56:37  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya later people
09:56:40  <PublicServer> <mfb> cu
09:56:44  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> cu
09:56:48  <PublicServer> <aldor> bb
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10:03:19  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> gunna play sum MC
10:04:06  <PublicServer> <mfb> jam at brandfort north :D
10:06:00  <PublicServer> <mfb> wtf
10:06:06  <PublicServer> <mfb> train 58
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10:06:36  <Dilandau> hello
10:06:40  <Dilandau> !password
10:06:40  <PublicServer> Dilandau: thrice
10:06:42  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi
10:06:45  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
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10:07:12  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
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10:18:42  <JK_> !password
10:18:43  <PublicServer> JK_: sapped
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10:24:01  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
10:24:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> eastern station is unbalanced
10:24:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> and jams
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10:45:24  <PublicServer> <mfb> something strange happens at SLH02
10:45:38  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ?
10:46:00  <PublicServer> <mfb> some trains from the southern side do not go to drop east, instead they come to the northern side
10:46:27  <PublicServer> <mfb> see 17
10:46:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> and the strange thing is that both SLH parts are not connected
10:56:33  <Mazur> You mean the trains leave the tracks, ride over trackless land and jump on on the other side?
10:56:42  <Mazur> Clever trains.
10:56:47  <PublicServer> <mfb> something like that
10:57:04  <Tray> !password
10:57:04  <PublicServer> Tray: vitals
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11:07:32  <BigElephant> !download
11:07:33  <PublicServer> BigElephant: !download autostart|autottd|lin|lin64|osx|ottdau|source|win32|win64|win9x
11:07:33  <PublicServer> BigElephant: http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk/r22950
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11:09:42  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hello
11:09:44  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
11:09:52  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi
11:09:54  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
11:11:46  <PublicServer> <Tray> ML block at eastern station \:
11:11:54  <PublicServer> <mfb> again :(
11:12:02  <PublicServer> <Tray> it needs balancin
11:12:08  <PublicServer> <mfb> yeah
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11:13:21  <PublicServer> <Tray> some trains choose the wrong exit
11:13:25  <PublicServer> <mfb> where?
11:13:27  <PublicServer> <Tray> see 297
11:13:29  <PublicServer> <aldor> yea
11:13:31  <PublicServer> <Tray> east
11:13:39  <PublicServer> <mfb> lol
11:13:57  <PublicServer> <aldor> bad signal at ML split
11:14:03  <PublicServer> <mfb> twoway?
11:14:14  <PublicServer> <mfb> or just wrong
11:14:21  <PublicServer> <mfb> ok, twoway is wrong, too
11:15:48  <PublicServer> <mfb> ah
11:15:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> that explains the lost trains
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11:15:56  <Franco> !password
11:15:56  <PublicServer> Franco: matron
11:15:58  <PublicServer> <Tray> maybe we can balance that station by adding one diagonal line and making it path based
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11:17:38  <PublicServer> <Tray> what do you guys think abou that?
11:17:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmmhmm
11:18:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe just a simple shift
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11:19:06  <mr_sticky> !password
11:19:06  <PublicServer> mr_sticky: matron
11:19:34  <PublicServer> <mfb> like that
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11:20:33  <mr_sticky> !password
11:20:33  <PublicServer> mr_sticky: matron
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11:31:32  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> later
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11:31:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> bye
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11:32:16  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hi, im back
11:32:24  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi again)
11:37:46  <Mazur> Hi, Abby.
11:38:00  <Absolutis> hi
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11:38:38  <LoPo> hello
11:38:41  <LoPo> !password
11:38:41  <PublicServer> LoPo: bursar
11:38:52  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
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11:39:30  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hello
11:39:34  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi
11:39:36  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hi
11:39:47  <Mazur> Ah, an Orang Utan.
11:41:36  <TWerkhoven> no, thats the librarian you are thinking of
11:41:39  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> alot of station miss the arrow for a pre-signal track
11:41:57  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> HMM
11:42:01  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> sorry, caps
11:42:15  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> hmm, do buffers work?
11:42:32  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
11:42:36  <PublicServer> <LoPo> no idea
11:42:40  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but i guess
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11:43:00  <V453000> try? :)
11:43:04  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> on the presignal terminus stations where the extra piece of track is needed
11:43:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes buffer wont do there
11:44:02  <Mazur> But at least TWerkhoven is p[aying attention.
11:44:05  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> can the arrows be like !this?
11:44:20  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> yes
11:44:28  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> even like that
11:45:39  <TWerkhoven> :p
11:45:50  <V453000> LoPo: irc message
11:46:01  <LoPo> ?
11:46:26  <V453000> uhm, personal message? :D
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11:53:13  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> is !this okay (2 stations servicing the same industry?)
11:53:19  <PublicServer> <mfb> no
11:53:31  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is bad
11:53:37  <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven> pointless
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12:01:31  <Mazur> That adds £250.-- to the bonus.
12:02:00  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
12:02:15  <Mazur> <PublicServer> <TWerkhoven> pointless
12:02:48  <Mazur> Requires watching the "Pointless" quiz show on BBC 1, every workday at 17:15.
12:03:02  <Mazur> To understand/
12:03:47  * TWerkhoven feeds mazur some dried frog pills
12:04:34  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> haha 50 tile prio
12:04:38  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> ?
12:05:06  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> near east drop
12:05:23  <mfb-> :p
12:05:34  <PublicServer> <mfb> just one TL
12:06:03  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> we need longer prios
12:06:10  <PublicServer> <aldor> what CL is for TL7?
12:06:16  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> 7?
12:06:16  <PublicServer> <mfb> 7
12:06:22  <PublicServer> <aldor> hx
12:06:26  <PublicServer> <aldor> thx*
12:06:28  <PublicServer> <mfb> primaries may have a bit less
12:06:34  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> depends on train speed though
12:06:48  <PublicServer> <aldor> ok
12:07:08  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> the slowest engines here have CL1, even if they are TL64
12:07:35  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> and the TL50 trains need CL50 to maintain full speed
12:07:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> even then, they become longer in curves...
12:08:20  <PublicServer> <mfb> or slower, depends on tile counting
12:08:55  <Tray> I thought some time about eastern pickup and made up this http://imageshack.us/f/257/psg203inspiredentry.png/ in single player
12:08:57  <Webster> Title: ImageShack - Online Photo and Video Hosting (at imageshack.us)
12:09:08  <Tray> might be an idea?
12:09:29  <mfb-> :D
12:09:32  <mfb-> CL1? really?
12:09:44  <PublicServer> <aldor> 64kmh)
12:09:58  <mfb-> way too slow
12:10:00  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> well, PSG203 had CL1
12:10:04  <Vinnie_nl> the missing pf trap?
12:10:12  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> since the trains were 177Kmh
12:10:33  <mfb-> and maglev
12:10:57  <Tray> the pf trap is not shown
12:11:14  <Tray> and the idea should be doable with longer curves (maybe)
12:11:20  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ey anywere i can help?
12:11:20  <mfb-> and where is the point in that construction
12:11:32  <Tray> full balacing
12:11:32  <V453000> x.x
12:12:23  <mfb-> that is done by the pbs part
12:12:27  <mfb-> and everything else?
12:12:39  <mfb-> just punishment for the trains
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12:13:54  <PublicServer> <mfb> industry list should get filters for types...
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12:30:44  <Franco> !password
12:30:44  <PublicServer> Franco: alight
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12:31:20  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> train 504
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12:41:50  <PublicServer> <mfb> :o
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12:44:53  <PublicServer> <mfb> who was that
12:45:25  <PublicServer> <mfb> and a third part
12:45:29  <PublicServer> <aldor> yea, the hard to dpot errors)
12:45:36  <PublicServer> <aldor> spot*
12:45:43  <PublicServer> <mfb> hard to make them not by accident
12:45:54  <PublicServer> <mfb> fixed a forth section without signals now
12:46:05  <PublicServer> <mfb> eh. without "not"
12:46:42  <PublicServer> <mfb> it is not so hard
12:46:49  <PublicServer> <mfb> just look where the ML-trains slow down
12:46:59  <BigElephant> !grf
12:46:59  <PublicServer> BigElephant: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 8.0)
12:49:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> found 7 large signal gaps on the ML now
12:54:10  <PublicServer> <aldor> what town east drops?
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13:03:18  <PublicServer> <Kangoo> how did the train and up !here...?
13:03:52  <PublicServer> <aldor> hmmm
13:03:54  <PublicServer> <aldor> strange
13:04:11  <PublicServer> <aldor> we jammed)
13:04:14  <PublicServer> <aldor> west
13:04:28  <PublicServer> <Kangoo> add temp overflow depot?
13:04:48  <PublicServer> <aldor> no idea
13:04:58  <PublicServer> <Tray> should fix itself
13:05:22  <PublicServer> <Kangoo> that signal shouldnt even have been red when it was waiting...
13:05:48  <PublicServer> <Tray> I see the problem
13:05:50  <PublicServer> <aldor> and again
13:06:02  <PublicServer> <Kangoo> oh - its the same now. trains try to join same lane from both lines,.
13:06:10  <PublicServer> <Tray> two trains trying to choose the same platform
13:07:12  <PublicServer> <aldor> we reaaly have a balance east/west problem
13:08:25  <PublicServer> <Kangoo> hm - that really should even out eventually though..
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13:16:08  <Maraxus> !password
13:16:08  <PublicServer> Maraxus: sobers
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13:16:43  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
13:16:49  <PublicServer> <BigElephant> hi
13:16:49  <PublicServer> <Kangoo> hello
13:17:01  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi)
13:19:09  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh04 jam
13:19:11  <PublicServer> <aldor> at enter
13:19:28  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> uh oh
13:20:01  <PublicServer> <aldor> again)
13:22:26  <PublicServer> <aldor> yea)
13:22:36  <PublicServer> <aldor> fixed)
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13:24:56  <PublicServer> <Tray> we have a lot of industries below 50%
13:25:08  <PublicServer> <aldor> coz of jams
13:25:20  <PublicServer> <aldor> don't add trains there)
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13:28:28  <PublicServer> <Tray> damn
13:33:01  <PublicServer> <Tray> jam (:
13:33:13  <PublicServer> <aldor> where?
13:33:24  <PublicServer> <aldor> see)
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13:49:58  <mfb-> jam, where?
13:50:14  <PublicServer> <aldor> fixed
13:50:36  <PublicServer> <aldor> was on east enter
13:50:59  <PublicServer> <Tray> it's basically the exit wich is kinda slow
13:52:09  <PublicServer> <aldor> we need TL50 lines before merging exits
13:55:54  <PublicServer> <aldor> slow TL50 jams
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13:56:08  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> hi all
13:56:12  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi
13:56:14  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
13:56:22  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> where is the slow TL50?
13:56:37  <PublicServer> <aldor> at all
13:56:46  <PublicServer> <aldor> they reach max speed too low
13:57:12  <PublicServer> <aldor> if a train enters from SL it can stop TL50
13:57:14  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> west has a mayor slowdown curve before the merge
13:57:28  <PublicServer> <Tray> than the prios are to short
13:57:46  <PublicServer> <aldor> i mean merge right after a station
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13:58:55  <PublicServer> <aldor> and not balanced east/west load
13:59:08  <PublicServer> <aldor> maybe fluctuations?
14:00:40  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> or maybe its just time for a 4th
14:00:54  <PublicServer> <aldor> maybe
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14:01:46  <PublicServer> <Tray> there is some space on the ML
14:01:53  <PublicServer> <mfb> ?
14:02:01  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> not if you lengthen prio's
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14:02:48  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> look at train 630 its gonna jam soon
14:02:54  <PublicServer> <Tray> on slh 02 prios are 20 tiles long and it hasn't any problems
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14:08:21  <theos> !password
14:08:21  <PublicServer> theos: damsel
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14:12:52  <PublicServer> <Tray> what the point of temp at slh 02?
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14:12:59  <PublicServer> <Tray> '!temp'
14:13:39  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> probably for reversing trains, but i see no purpose
14:14:27  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> missing signal near SLH03
14:14:43  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> or rather wrong so it can be removed now
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14:19:18  <Dilandau> !dl win64
14:19:18  <PublicServer> Dilandau: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r22950/openttd-trunk-r22950-windows-win64.zip
14:19:28  <Dilandau> !grf
14:19:28  <PublicServer> Dilandau: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF (Version 8.0)
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14:22:53  <Steven> hello
14:22:58  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi
14:22:58  <Steven> !password
14:22:58  <PublicServer> Steven: freest
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14:26:14  <PublicServer> <Tray> is there any cool idea for a pre accelerated prio on both side of the ML?
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14:30:14  <iklucas> !password
14:30:14  <PublicServer> iklucas: canter
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14:32:57  <PublicServer> <iklucas> yo
14:32:59  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hi
14:33:19  <PublicServer> <aldor> hi
14:33:41  <PublicServer> <iklucas> bigass trains:D
14:33:49  <PublicServer> <aldor> )
14:34:11  <PublicServer> <iklucas> wow and bigass SLH's
14:34:11  <PublicServer> <iklucas> :D
14:34:43  <PublicServer> <aldor> bigass game
14:35:27  <PublicServer> <iklucas> soo, wich network won?
14:35:33  <PublicServer> <Tray> V#s
14:35:36  <PublicServer> <iklucas> ah ok
14:35:39  <PublicServer> <iklucas> ow lol
14:35:43  <PublicServer> <iklucas> these trains:D
14:35:54  <PublicServer> <iklucas> lol:D
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14:36:06  <PublicServer> <iklucas> funny moment:P
14:36:46  <PublicServer> <iklucas> u know these prios are a little too short huh?
14:36:46  <PublicServer> <Tray> SL 02 south may need doubles
14:37:05  <Dilandau> !password
14:37:05  <PublicServer> Dilandau: canter
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14:39:47  <PublicServer> <Vinnie> cya ppla
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14:39:51  <PublicServer> <iklucas> cya
14:39:51  <PublicServer> <aldor> bb
14:39:58  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> cu
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14:47:39  <PublicServer> <Tray> who made train 759?
14:47:42  <Dilandau> !password
14:47:42  <PublicServer> Dilandau: elbows
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14:48:03  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> take a name
14:48:05  <PublicServer> <aldor> me
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14:48:43  <PublicServer> <Tray> maybe you should make a depot rectly at the station, otherwise you jam half of the map \:
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14:49:03  <PublicServer> <mfb> we have an injection depot in front of the western station
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14:49:20  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hello
14:49:24  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
14:49:33  <Steven> hi
14:49:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> hi
14:49:43  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hi
14:49:51  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> mmmm i have a problem
14:50:01  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i can't build VAST fences
14:50:03  <PublicServer> <LoPo> where?
14:50:11  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ow
14:50:27  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i can see (example WEST pickup)
14:50:35  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye
14:52:44  <PublicServer> <LoPo> all running nice and smooth :)
14:52:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> that means that we need more trains
14:53:08  <PublicServer> <Steven> Yes
14:53:33  <PublicServer> <mfb> the ML will be full soon
14:53:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> >~3/4 full
14:54:34  <PublicServer> <mfb> 2nd line at SLH02?
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14:55:02  <PublicServer> <mfb> or what is that
14:55:07  <PublicServer> <Tray> yes
14:55:16  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> or new SLH to distribute traffic to?
14:55:31  <PublicServer> <mfb> second line should work
14:55:37  <PublicServer> <mfb> we have equal traffic for both sides
14:55:37  <PublicServer> <Tray> doubling is more fun (:
14:55:39  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is nice
14:55:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> just one line for each side
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14:58:29  <PublicServer> <Tray> hrm
14:58:32  <PublicServer> <Tray> that some mess there (:
14:58:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> lets begin with that
14:58:57  <PublicServer> <Steven> wheree?
14:59:07  <PublicServer> <Tray> we're expanding sl02
14:59:09  <PublicServer> <mfb> now both line are used
14:59:15  <PublicServer> <mfb> lines
14:59:39  <PublicServer> <mfb> +possible to expand that
15:00:20  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
15:00:40  <PublicServer> <mfb> maybe begin with primary-separated lines
15:00:44  <PublicServer> <Tray> maybe some simple 5->2 pbs will do the trick
15:00:50  <PublicServer> <mfb> and mix to destination-separated later
15:01:00  <PublicServer> <LoPo> im going to barbeque :) see you guys around
15:01:09  <PublicServer> <LoPo> bb
15:01:13  <PublicServer> <Tray> bye
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15:04:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> better
15:05:19  <PublicServer> <mfb> to east is jamming :(
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15:05:53  <Steven> !password
15:05:53  <PublicServer> Steven: nebula
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15:10:57  <PublicServer> <mfb> jam
15:11:07  <PublicServer> <mfb> wtf, CL1
15:11:14  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> Odendaalsrus Mine
15:11:24  <PublicServer> <mfb> but the reason is somewhere else
15:11:35  <PublicServer> <Steven> SLH 05
15:11:43  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is not the problem
15:11:46  <PublicServer> <mfb> trains want to turn around there
15:12:01  <PublicServer> <mfb> but I think it is solved
15:12:12  <PublicServer> <mfb> steven: CL1 is very very bad
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15:13:04  <PublicServer> <mfb> and I think your station is not connected to the mine
15:17:21  <PublicServer> <Tray> I like your style
15:17:27  <PublicServer> <mfb> chaos?
15:17:58  <PublicServer> <Tray> my first game was chaos - I'm somewhat addicted
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15:19:13  <Absolutis> !password
15:19:13  <PublicServer> Absolutis: hurtle
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15:22:19  <PublicServer> <mfb> 4th ML soon? ;)
15:22:37  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i think :p
15:22:39  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> i'd imagine
15:23:27  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> WTF
15:23:33  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> look at train 730
15:23:55  <PublicServer> <mfb> hmm
15:23:58  <PublicServer> <mfb> my fault maybe
15:24:16  <PublicServer> <mfb> I moved lines around
15:24:46  <PublicServer> <Steven> wrong orders
15:24:52  <mfb-> oh ok
15:25:18  <PublicServer> <mfb> that is not my fault then :p
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15:28:16  <aldor> !password
15:28:16  <PublicServer> aldor: braces
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15:31:05  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh05 jammed
15:31:55  <PublicServer> <aldor> maybe 4th ML?
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15:39:43  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i have started the 4th on East exit
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15:58:19  <Tray> !password
15:58:19  <PublicServer> Tray: jurors
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15:59:02  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> whoa
15:59:15  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> DROPOFF EAST is a bit jammed
16:00:27  <PublicServer> <aldor> where?
16:01:09  <PublicServer> <Tray> who made the fourth line at slh 2?
16:01:31  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> idk
16:01:37  <PublicServer> <aldor> me
16:01:55  <PublicServer> <aldor> ?
16:02:01  <PublicServer> <Tray> ML is CL 50 so double tunnel/bridges is not a good idea
16:02:20  <PublicServer> <aldor> so leave it single?
16:02:30  <PublicServer> <aldor> imho double is ok
16:02:36  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> CL12 should be okay
16:02:42  <PublicServer> <Tray> you hav to bridge the sl
16:02:52  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> not very much slowdown there
16:02:52  <PublicServer> <aldor> ah ok
16:02:54  <PublicServer> <Tray> it's a slowdown by 20 km/h
16:03:20  <V453000> by 20kmh but for 38 tiles if CL is 12
16:04:08  <PublicServer> <aldor> now ok?
16:04:42  <PublicServer> <Tray> now
16:05:08  <PublicServer> <aldor> thx
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16:08:58  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> how do we react with  a lake in the way of ML?
16:09:06  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> canals?
16:09:19  <PublicServer> <aldor> no just TF
16:09:22  <PublicServer> <aldor> as usual
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16:14:32  <PublicServer> <aldor> how long prios should be?
16:16:09  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> all SLH connected ? to the 4th (north)
16:16:22  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> i think
16:16:37  <PublicServer> <aldor> no
16:16:39  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh03
16:16:47  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> oh
16:16:59  <PublicServer> <Absolutis> well, that isn't hard
16:17:55  <PublicServer> <aldor> yea)
16:18:15  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> drop east connected
16:18:27  <PublicServer> <aldor> no
16:18:31  <PublicServer> <aldor> not so fast)
16:18:42  <PublicServer> <aldor> end of the line isn't ready
16:18:54  <PublicServer> <aldor> west end
16:18:57  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> the pickup is not connected
16:19:15  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> only drop off
16:19:17  <PublicServer> <aldor> drop west is a problem
16:19:36  <PublicServer> <aldor> yes, and drop east too
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16:27:34  <PublicServer> <Theos> bbl all
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16:27:39  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ++
16:27:45  <PublicServer> <Theos> oh
16:27:48  <PublicServer> <Theos> you still building?
16:27:52  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> no
16:28:02  <PublicServer> <Theos> just getting some lunch :)
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16:29:54  <MrD2DG> !password
16:29:54  <PublicServer> MrD2DG: ousted
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16:30:16  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Hi
16:30:18  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hello
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16:33:41  <MrD2DG> Oops
16:33:44  <MrD2DG> !password
16:33:44  <PublicServer> MrD2DG: ousted
16:33:44  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ^^
16:33:59  <PublicServer> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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16:34:35  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Liking the long TL :)
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16:40:26  <roysvork> afternoon
16:40:29  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Hi
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16:40:41  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hi
16:40:49  <roysvork> I have a question if I may...
16:41:01  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Go ahead..
16:41:17  <KenjiE20> tip; don't ask to ask, people just go mute :p
16:41:22  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> :P
16:41:32  <roysvork> I'm just starting a solo game to play around with some of the concepts, wondering if anyone can suggest a trainset to start out with
16:41:39  <roysvork> there are just too many to choose from ^^
16:41:42  <KenjiE20> 2cc is nice
16:41:53  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Woah was just gonna suggest that
16:42:03  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Used to love 2cc in singple player
16:42:15  <KenjiE20> it's preference, I like ukrs
16:42:22  <roysvork> cool cool, what are the plus points for that then?
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16:42:26  <KenjiE20> most sets will be nicely balanced
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16:42:41  <MrD2DG> Ugh again
16:42:53  <roysvork> You guys always tend to go for one engine throughout the whole game I notice
16:42:59  <KenjiE20> tbh, any set will work for playing with concepts
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16:43:05  <MrD2DG> !password
16:43:05  <PublicServer> MrD2DG: cleats
16:43:17  <roysvork> I want to make sure I understand the acceleration/power elements too
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16:43:32  <KenjiE20> yeah, we use one engine/type since a lot of stuff is fine tuned
16:43:40  <KenjiE20> tbh, we don't
16:43:50  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> An upgrade game would be nice IMO
16:43:51  <KenjiE20> all the engines are the same, it's not an issue
16:44:01  <roysvork> I've been a lurker here on and off for a while, but just don't always have the time to play much
16:44:04  <KenjiE20> we did mass swap on 131
16:44:09  <KenjiE20> that was amusing
16:44:16  <KenjiE20> huge depot systems
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16:44:43  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Gonna check that out
16:44:55  <KenjiE20> I think they were still there by final
16:45:13  <KenjiE20> roysvork: a good way to pick up is to spec games
16:45:33  <KenjiE20> get a feel for how people do things on the actual server
16:45:58  <roysvork> like scenario type things?
16:46:22  <KenjiE20> spec -> spectate
16:46:25  <roysvork> as I say I've been lurking for almost two years, so I've seen a lot of cool stuff
16:46:25  <Mazur> No, spectate games in progress here.
16:46:35  <roysvork> ahhh yes of course
16:46:47  <roysvork> I've played a few games too, just a long time ago
16:47:08  <KenjiE20> just work on what you feel comfortable
16:47:25  <KenjiE20> and if you get stuck, just yell at the others :p
16:47:29  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Well the current game is pretty easy to get into, could learn a few things
16:47:38  <roysvork> The thing I'm trying to look into is more understanding how things work, rather than just copying existing stuff
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16:47:57  <roysvork> and building up my building speed
16:49:34  <KenjiE20> watching a game in progress is a great way to do that
16:49:44  <KenjiE20> since you can see the progress and how it works
16:50:22  <Mazur> And you can hear the comments in context.
16:51:33  <PublicServer> <Mazur> One ML going east has been disconnected, with a good reason?
16:51:33  <V453000> MrD2DG: the only real way how to play an upgrade-game basically means you have to go chaos, which really comes only to pro zone or stable server
16:51:42  <roysvork> these are all good points, thanks : )
16:51:46  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> where ?
16:52:10  <PublicServer> <Mazur> See sign.
16:52:21  <KenjiE20> well it could be done in a normal ps
16:52:25  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Well isn't building an effectuve upgrade system the sort of challenege we should try to do? :P
16:52:33  <KenjiE20> but a) we tend to have all trains by start and b) extreme coordination
16:52:34  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Ah, unfinishwed.
16:52:44  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Havent see anyone on PZ recently :/
16:52:58  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ;)
16:53:45  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh01 jam
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16:53:56  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Yeah, thats true Kenji, forgetting we usually start very late...
16:54:24  <PublicServer> <Mazur> Not a real jam, just ML too busy to let trains in.
16:54:29  <V453000> building an effective depot system is super easy, just look how I do it every game on stable
16:54:36  <PublicServer> <aldor> yea
16:55:07  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Well then apart from the late-start issue, I think it could be done here
16:55:14  <V453000> but the main question is how would you coordinate that
16:55:35  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Hmm, true
16:55:54  <V453000> you sure can start a game early, but all the engine changing brings also different priorities required, you need to start building quickly, so no LL_RR etc from start, and likely you need to go chaos
16:56:41  <V453000> and still, the result you get is the same engines for 80% of the game because the game would probably take a long time
16:57:16  <V453000> particularly with chaos where always becomes a mess which gets rebuilt later completely
16:57:28  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Oh yeah, dont know of any sets with new vehicles veyr late in game
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16:59:51  <LXSJason> !password
16:59:51  <PublicServer> LXSJason: hosted
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17:00:39  <PublicServer> <LXSJason> heya
17:00:44  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Hi
17:00:49  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> hi
17:00:55  <PublicServer> <LXSJason> oh, seems i missed the vote
17:01:26  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> :P When i joined already 700+ trains..
17:03:28  <PublicServer> <LXSJason> tl 50???
17:03:38  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Yep for food and goods :D
17:03:47  <KenjiE20> V453000: coordination shouldn't be too bad
17:03:53  <PublicServer> <Mazur> We've had longer.
17:04:03  <KenjiE20> it's getting everyone in the habit of group discipline
17:04:03  <PublicServer> <LXSJason> oh my
17:04:38  <KenjiE20> if you can manage that, then it's just group by group
17:05:12  <V453000> sure, that isnt the major problem ... I rather meant .. why would you do that, or how would you ensure that your constructions work with all trains
17:05:26  <KenjiE20> build for the end goal
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17:05:47  <V453000> that would have to work in the earlier ages really
17:05:51  <V453000> wouldnt
17:05:55  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> aldor I dont get your merge...
17:06:06  <PublicServer> <aldor> ?
17:06:06  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> You created 2 different routes why?
17:06:24  <PublicServer> <aldor> ?
17:06:30  <KenjiE20> we could just make a game start in 1850 and just try it :p
17:06:33  <PublicServer> <aldor> ah
17:06:35  <PublicServer> <aldor> yea
17:06:37  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i add 2 more drop bay
17:06:39  <PublicServer> <aldor> sorry)
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17:06:55  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> You could easily fit a waiting bays there...
17:07:13  <V453000> well, yes, but look how long building usually takes ... in 2 days all engines will pass and we will have rather nothing I think :)
17:07:39  <V453000> dont know, I like such "normal" games myself but I do not think it fits here
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17:18:35  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> You do realise the 3rd land tool levels everything, you dont have to individually click squares?
17:18:57  <PublicServer> <aldor> me? y
17:19:23  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> I dont know who it was, but i saw someone individually lowering tiles
17:19:37  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Just saying that you can drag and level multiple tiles at once...
17:19:39  <PublicServer> <aldor> idk
17:19:57  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i know but i hate use shortcut ^^
17:20:06  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Its not a shortcut :P
17:20:41  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Its the toold with the '=' next to the raise and lower land tools
17:21:14  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i know this options :p
17:21:18  <V453000> shortcut is E btw
17:21:22  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Oh
17:21:28  <PublicServer> <aldor> y
17:21:30  <V453000> not sure if = works though
17:21:39  <V453000> Q W E is landscaping
17:21:43  <PublicServer> <aldor> and q & w for up/down
17:21:49  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> No i was just describing what it looks like :P
17:21:55  <V453000> OH :D stupid me
17:22:07  <V453000> didnt thought about that :P
17:22:12  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Lol
17:22:14  <PublicServer> <aldor> about click & drag)
17:22:17  <V453000> I usually describe it just by the according hotkey
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17:25:57  <MrD2DG> !password
17:25:57  <PublicServer> MrD2DG: gambit
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17:35:24  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> we need the 4th now => West to East
17:37:09  <PublicServer> <aldor> ok
17:37:18  <PublicServer> <aldor> just kill a tea)
17:37:24  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ^^
17:42:05  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Whoever added the 4th at SLH 04 missed connections :/
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17:43:15  <PublicServer> <aldor> thx
17:43:38  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Np
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17:46:44  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh02 ll_rr jammed
17:47:03  <PublicServer> <aldor> south
17:47:17  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Hmm
17:47:55  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Needs a 4th
17:48:57  <PublicServer> <aldor> seems lots of reduilding at slh04 with 4th ML
17:49:07  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Its a mess
17:49:15  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> The joins and splits seem so unbalanced
17:49:21  <PublicServer> <aldor> coz of prims in the ML
17:49:38  <PublicServer> <MrD2DG> Hmm yeah
17:49:56  <PublicServer> <aldor> i propose no prims in ML
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17:50:15  <MrD2DG> Ugh
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17:59:45  <mfb-> primaries between the MLs are no problem
17:59:51  <mfb-> the SLH-style is one
18:00:15  <MrD2DG> Oh prims as in primaries
18:00:27  <MrD2DG> I thought he just meant the mess :P
18:00:44  <MrD2DG> Dont think SLH04 has any primaries in the middle...
18:00:47  <PublicServer> <aldor> not meant but have
18:00:59  <PublicServer> <aldor> already fixed
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18:11:03  <PublicServer> <aldor> funniest part left?
18:11:20  <PublicServer> <aldor> LL_RR
18:11:26  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh02
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18:31:42  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> what 's left?
18:31:56  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh02 south
18:32:06  <PublicServer> <aldor> check it
18:32:17  <PublicServer> <aldor> and east drop merge
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18:35:14  <PublicServer> <aldor> slh02 ready
18:36:34  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> almost - connection for trains coming from west?
18:36:49  <PublicServer> <aldor> ah
18:36:51  <PublicServer> <aldor> thx
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18:48:52  <PublicServer> <aldor> is my join ok? can i connect it?
18:49:03  <PublicServer> <aldor> drop at east
18:50:24  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> looks ok to me
18:50:31  <PublicServer> <aldor> ok
18:50:33  <PublicServer> <aldor> started
18:51:25  <PublicServer> <aldor> ha
18:51:35  <PublicServer> <aldor> we need 4th drop entrance
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19:12:18  <Sleeeper> !password
19:12:18  <PublicServer> Sleeeper: wooded
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19:14:55  <PublicServer> <Sleeeper> holyshit tl50
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19:27:51  <PublicServer> <aldor> this LL_RR jams instantly)
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19:59:07  <PublicServer> <aldor> bb
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20:00:27  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> are you building, Dilandau?
20:00:34  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> flipflop
20:00:40  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> for balance 1/5
20:00:42  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> 1/2
20:00:56  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> sometime they take the same lane
20:01:14  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> but it's my first flip flop :p
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20:02:22  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> never built one myself
20:10:51  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> an error :p
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20:17:03  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> should the signals on the ML be combo for the flip-flop to work?
20:17:17  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> :p
20:17:23  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> thx ^^
20:18:51  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ^^
20:19:34  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> :)
20:19:36  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> :)
20:25:34  <TWerkhoven[l]> !password
20:25:34  <PublicServer> TWerkhoven[l]: sieved
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20:26:33  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hi
20:27:03  <TWerkhoven[l]> ello
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20:27:59  <LoPo> hello
20:28:01  <LoPo> !password
20:28:01  <PublicServer> LoPo: pitted
20:28:10  <TWerkhoven[l]> figured, too many trains for the lappy to handle
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20:29:58  <PublicServer> <LoPo> who is builidn on the flipflop? :)
20:30:02  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> me
20:30:13  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> first flipflop
20:30:24  <PublicServer> <LoPo> nice
20:30:26  <PublicServer> <LoPo> need help?
20:30:34  <PublicServer> <LoPo> i think your doing alright :)
20:30:52  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> :)
20:33:17  <PublicServer> <LoPo> nice
20:37:07  <PublicServer> <LoPo> long trains and some good music :)
20:37:09  <PublicServer> <LoPo> cant be better
20:37:15  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> :p
20:37:21  <PublicServer> <Maraxus> gn
20:37:27  <PublicServer> <LoPo> bb
20:37:27  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> gn
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20:40:51  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> yw = ? :p
20:40:57  <PublicServer> <LoPo> your welcome :)
20:40:59  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> :)
20:42:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> funny that the drop/pickup stations still manage it under the larger train count
20:43:04  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> the drop west is ready for a 5th ^^
20:43:12  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye saw that :)
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20:43:37  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but at east :P
20:43:43  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> :p
20:43:45  <PublicServer> <LoPo> little room for expantion
20:44:04  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> yes
20:44:11  <V453000> !password
20:44:11  <PublicServer> V453000: ruffle
20:44:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> hi
20:44:49  <PublicServer> <LoPo> wow
20:44:49  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hi V
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20:44:51  <PublicServer> <V453000> hmm 1MB map already :)
20:44:53  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hi :)
20:44:55  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye
20:46:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> :)
20:46:18  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hmmm, i might have an idea to expant east
20:46:28  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but only if it is realy needed :P
20:47:02  <PublicServer> <V453000> just make a different station
20:47:04  <PublicServer> <V453000> no need to follow the pattern
20:47:44  <PublicServer> <V453000> some candy may die too
20:48:04  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ofc but atm, imo i dont think its needed :)
20:48:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> why do you think my candy is on the map edge where nobody should need to expand
20:48:20  <PublicServer> <V453000> looks okay
20:49:01  <PublicServer> <V453000> you should really learn when it isnt good to add signals LoPo :p
20:49:15  <PublicServer> <V453000> you need to expect where the train os going to stop
20:49:34  <PublicServer> <LoPo> yeah, about what are you talking?
20:50:17  <PublicServer> <V453000> basically in general, about the bridge signals, statio entry signals, and now the merger signals
20:50:52  <PublicServer> <V453000> luckily it is easy to solve
20:50:54  <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky, but why doesnt it fit?
20:51:12  <PublicServer> <V453000> damn
20:51:18  <PublicServer> <V453000> a TL must fit there ..
20:51:28  <PublicServer> <V453000> here
20:51:34  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye
20:51:36  <PublicServer> <V453000> if it doesnt, it can jam badly
20:51:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> you always have to think where trains can stop
20:52:03  <PublicServer> <V453000> solution here would be to move the split 1 tile farther
20:52:09  <PublicServer> <LoPo> oky i see what you mean
20:52:29  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but in principle the bridge is not a w8ing slot
20:52:32  <PublicServer> <V453000> btw there should not be any need for 2way signals whoever did that
20:52:39  <PublicServer> <V453000> hm?
20:52:47  <PublicServer> <V453000> trains can stop and wait there = it is
20:53:00  <PublicServer> <V453000> it is a merger, it isnt that unlikely that trains stop
20:53:48  <PublicServer> <V453000> hm
20:53:54  <PublicServer> <V453000> I have hardcore lag
20:53:57  <PublicServer> <LoPo> but now its much slower
20:54:14  <PublicServer> <V453000> dude
20:54:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :P
20:54:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> when you adjust the waiting bay correctly you can add signals
20:54:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> because you know it cant block
20:54:31  <PublicServer> <V453000> thats the point
20:54:41  <PublicServer> <LoPo> dont get angry  :) i get your point
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20:54:56  <V453000> hm
20:55:34  <V453000> !password
20:55:35  <PublicServer> V453000: ruffle
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20:56:30  <PublicServer> <LoPo> welcome back :)
20:56:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> ok I will let you complete it
20:57:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> understand?
20:57:54  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye
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20:58:22  <PublicServer> <LoPo> the bridge
20:58:24  <PublicServer> <V453000> the stopping signal is not right after the bridge
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20:58:35  <PublicServer> <V453000> yes :)
20:58:41  <PublicServer> <V453000> so just count from that point :)
20:58:57  <PublicServer> <LoPo> what if i make a buffer for 2 trains infront of the first one?
20:58:57  <PublicServer> <V453000> feel free to use entry signals to just highlight it, I do that sometimes too
20:59:32  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ye like tahat
20:59:42  <PublicServer> <V453000> this is 100% correct
20:59:46  <PublicServer> <V453000> and fast
21:00:06  <PublicServer> <V453000> please take that in regard when you build :P
21:00:14  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :)
21:00:28  <PublicServer> <LoPo> ill will give it some extra attention :)
21:02:16  <PublicServer> <V453000> oh wtf
21:02:21  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> ?
21:02:22  <PublicServer> <V453000> east drop has CL5
21:02:27  <PublicServer> <V453000> and nobody fixed it yet
21:04:53  <PublicServer> <V453000> it doesnt work 100% perfectly due to the damn bridge, but .. :)
21:05:09  <PublicServer> <V453000> that is the reason why this merger is not optimal for this kind of traffic
21:05:40  <PublicServer> <V453000> but that is another thing which is keeping choices in high throughput
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21:32:07  <PublicServer> <Theos> hallo
21:32:27  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hi
21:32:31  <LoPo> yo
21:34:26  <Tray> !password
21:34:26  <PublicServer> Tray: jailed
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21:35:01  <PublicServer> <LoPo> hi tray
21:36:13  <PublicServer> <Fuuco> haha so I see the TL50 plan went through
21:36:23  <PublicServer> <Fuuco> this is crazy beautiful :D
21:36:52  <V453000> :P
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21:43:33  <PublicServer> <LoPo> :) im going to play some deus ex :) so see you later
21:43:39  <PublicServer> <Theos> wise choice!
21:43:41  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> cya
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22:00:30  <V453000> guys did you notice that when you use the newObject fences they do show proper base tiles as desert?
22:01:03  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> VAST or DWE ?
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22:03:07  <V453000> I think only VAST has the newObject fences
22:03:27  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i do not have the choice :(
22:03:45  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> i have only VAST : Ground , Paths or Gardens
22:06:25  <V453000> objects
22:06:26  <V453000> not stations
22:06:31  <V453000> see landscaping tools
22:06:41  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> oh thanks
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22:46:12  <Godde> !password
22:46:12  <PublicServer> Godde: halest
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22:46:39  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> hello
22:46:42  <PublicServer> <Godde> hey
22:46:52  <PublicServer> <Theos> yeeeo
22:47:58  <PublicServer> <Godde> the long trains are epic
22:48:00  <PublicServer> <Godde> lovem
22:50:18  <PublicServer> <Godde> uhm
22:50:20  <PublicServer> <Godde> guys
22:50:23  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> yes ?
22:50:46  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> yes ?
22:50:51  <PublicServer> <Godde> was stuck
22:51:17  <PublicServer> <Dilandau> normaly no
22:51:26  <PublicServer> <Godde> well, it was :)
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23:04:28  <Steven> !password
23:04:28  <PublicServer> Steven: grills
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