Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 23rd June 2009:
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16:18:02  <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightly compile not needed. (r72)
16:23:56  <Ammler> :-(
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20:02:00  <planetmaker> restarted mysql
20:02:39  <Ammler> hmm
20:03:23  <planetmaker> is there actually something like restart instead of stop and start?
20:14:34  <Ammler> yes
20:14:40  <Ammler> it is called restart :P
20:17:26  <planetmaker> ok :)
21:01:32  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Support #244 (Assigned): Re-wamp makesystem @ (by planetmaker)
21:01:54  <planetmaker> ^ Ammler can you check / test whether that's how it should work?
21:06:00  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 81: Change: remove deprecated config setting @ (by planetmaker)
21:07:19  <Frankr> planetmaker?
21:07:27  <planetmaker> jo, Frankr ?
21:08:16  <Frankr> i have found an error in the Infra Structure Sharing which i thought i would inform u about
21:08:33  <planetmaker> oh?
21:08:51  <planetmaker> you should make a bug report at the dev zone then :)
21:08:55  <Frankr> when using shared airports another add on if u click on the shared airport hanger the game crashes
21:09:16  <planetmaker> that's very bad :(
21:10:01  <Frankr> ok i'll make one now
21:10:04  <planetmaker> can you make a ticket here at devzone in the infrastructure sharing project concerning that?
21:10:05  <planetmaker> :) Thanks
21:10:42  <Ammler> planetmaker: why should release install the pack?
21:10:54  <Ammler> or is that meant to support nightly farm?
21:11:01  <planetmaker> Ammler: not sure. But I thought, if we do a release, we want to have it ingame, too :)
21:11:25  <planetmaker> you could, of course, also use it for the nightly farm, if you want.
21:11:33  <Frankr> planetmaker do u know a coder called Yorick
21:11:47  <planetmaker> But the automatic install with release is something I was unsure about whether to do or not
21:11:55  <planetmaker> Frankr: yes, sort of. Why?
21:11:57  <Ammler> :-)
21:12:12  <Frankr> well he made this patch thing with these shared airports on
21:12:22  <Frankr> u might want to consult him
21:12:30  <Ammler> oh, you don't speak about IS2?
21:12:34  <planetmaker> uhm... actually not on that issue ;)
21:13:32  <planetmaker> well... I'm quite a bit ambigeous about him :)
21:13:45  <Frankr> yorick?
21:13:48  <planetmaker> yes
21:13:56  <Frankr> he's a good coder
21:14:04  <planetmaker> well. He's a coder
21:14:11  <planetmaker> and he learns.
21:14:33  <planetmaker> So maybe he'll become one, yes
21:14:38  <Frankr> lol
21:14:54  <planetmaker> But the stuff he does is usually quite hackish
21:15:13  <planetmaker> doesn't mean, though, that it doesn't work
21:15:49  <planetmaker> and if he continues the path he's chosen, he'll surely improve.
21:16:00  <Frankr> lol, mega has informed me that the shared airports is actually a kind of bug
21:16:32  <planetmaker> well, yes. You can hack them into the game. But you cannot normally create them. So they're a bug
21:16:37  <Ammler> Frankr: you should try IS2
21:16:47  <Frankr> i am in IS2
21:16:58  <Frankr> Clanmega game
21:17:24  <planetmaker> And I know that yorick's approach to shared airports is one approach which failed at least in one or two cases. Dunno which anymore, though
21:17:55  <planetmaker> Might be that they use a hacked map. That's their fault then. Do they have neutral airports there?
21:18:05  <Frankr> yh
21:18:07  <planetmaker> like oil rigs?
21:18:11  <Frankr> yh
21:18:18  <Frankr> exactly
21:18:29  <planetmaker> well. If that crashes... it's actually not a bug. It's a bug of Yorick. Not of IS2.
21:18:31  <Ammler> IS2 doesn't support that
21:18:34  <planetmaker> Or do Oil rigs crash
21:18:36  <planetmaker> ?
21:18:48  <Frankr> i don't know
21:19:05  <Frankr> oil rigs don't have the hanger
21:19:08  <planetmaker> If oil righs have it crash, too. Then it's a bug of IS2. Otherwise it's a bug of the hack.
21:19:09  <Ammler> might be worth a feature request
21:19:15  <planetmaker> Frankr: yeah :)
21:19:16  <Frankr> the hanger is wat crashs the airport is fine
21:19:32  <planetmaker> Ammler: what might be worth a feature request?
21:20:09  <Ammler> ownership of airports
21:20:10  <planetmaker> neutral airports (or other stations)? I don't think so. It's out of scope IMO
21:20:21  <Ammler> or for stations gernerally
21:20:33  <planetmaker> It would IMO, though, be an interesting thing to add in general.
21:20:41  <Ammler> or for the whole infrastructure
21:20:59  <planetmaker> But there're big reservations for that afair among some devs. But maybe my impression there is wrong
21:21:46  <Ammler> there is a big reservations for the whole IS2, isn't?
21:21:57  <planetmaker> that's another thing ;)
21:22:25  <Ammler> at least I know only one opinion from a dev, which is negative
21:22:31  <Frankr> i think IS2 should b in the main OTTD once it is sorted
21:22:45  <Ammler> well, he isn't a dev anymore.
21:22:48  <planetmaker> Frankr: well. We all three here agree, I think.
21:22:55  <planetmaker> Ammler: TB?
21:22:59  <Frankr> seems like it
21:22:59  <Ammler> yes :-)
21:23:43  <planetmaker> And some others, too. I really, really hope that they'll earnestly consider it. H1rundo did a really great and sound job on it.
21:24:00  <Ammler> IS2 would be very cool for ususal openttdcoop games.
21:24:07  <Ammler> too
21:24:09  <planetmaker> yes, of course
21:24:19  <planetmaker> Especially the regions style.
21:24:22  <planetmaker> Very cool
21:24:39  <Ammler> regions?
21:24:42  <planetmaker> And then with Yexo's regions branch :)
21:24:57  <planetmaker> Ammler: like s-bahn for different parts. Each done by different people
21:24:57  * Hirundo adds IS, regions and cargodest to roadmap for 0.8.0 ;)
21:24:57  <Frankr> i also like paxdext
21:25:07  <planetmaker> Hello Hirundo :)
21:25:15  <Ammler> Hirundo hacks the wiki :P
21:25:21  <planetmaker> Frankr: better cargodest than paxdest ;)
21:25:30  <planetmaker> as cargo >= pax ;)
21:25:49  <Frankr> yh u know wat i mean :)
21:26:01  <planetmaker> hehe. Yes. Just nit picking ;)
21:26:06  <Frankr> lol
21:26:15  <planetmaker> Ammler: any other comments to my diff?
21:26:19  <planetmaker> Or shall I commit it?
21:26:26  <Ammler> I still think, "someone" should make something to make the patches "save" compatible
21:26:48  <Ammler> then nobody has to care anymore, if it goes to trunk, finally.
21:27:02  <planetmaker> Ammler: how do you envision to make an IS game compatible with trunk?
21:27:14  <planetmaker> When trains go everywhere where they may not go in trunk?
21:27:30  <Ammler> no with trunk
21:27:39  <Ammler> but with future is patches
21:28:00  <planetmaker> hm... that way. Yeah... well...
21:28:22  <Ammler> then we could use it for coop server
21:28:41  <Ammler> but this way we would need to keep all builds with the saves.
21:28:53  <planetmaker> ok... no comments any more. Then I'll commit ;)
21:29:31  <Ammler> well, I didn't try the patch
21:29:42  <Frankr> :)
21:29:42  <Hirundo> Ammler: problem is that the savegame format is also used for the networking stuff
21:29:46  <Ammler> you might need to wait for the other devs there
21:30:08  <Ammler> Hirundo: I see. :-/
21:30:10  <planetmaker> FooBar_: ^
21:30:18  <FooBar_> planetmaker: ?
21:30:28  <planetmaker> comments on firs #244 issue? See the attached diff
21:30:56  <planetmaker> I modified there the meaning of make bundle, install and added release
21:31:06  <planetmaker> the thing with the constant file name and stuff
21:31:26  <Ammler> does release also install now?
21:31:29  <FooBar_> lemme check...
21:31:37  <planetmaker> Ammler: yes
21:31:49  <planetmaker>
21:32:59  <Ammler> planetmaker: well, that is the only thing, which I wouldn't do.
21:33:17  <Ammler> but not really important
21:33:22  <planetmaker> ok. I'm fine with anything. But then it needs a target on its own.
21:33:29  <planetmaker> proposals?
21:33:41  <Ammler> why?
21:33:58  <planetmaker> I want the newgrf which is uploaded to bananas also in my data dir via install.
21:33:59  <Ammler> hmm
21:34:11  <Ammler> what I miss is the make bananas :-)
21:34:27  <Hirundo> go to a tropical island :D
21:34:33  <planetmaker> well. That's a separate thing IMO :)
21:34:55  <Ammler> planetmaker: doesn't make install do that?
21:35:00  <planetmaker> Hirundo: yes please. Can you send me the flight tickets and book a nice resort?
21:35:17  <planetmaker> Ammler: it installs only the unversioned thing
21:35:22  <planetmaker> I could install any tar, though
21:35:32  <planetmaker> or not any, but all tars found
21:35:45  <Ammler> well, that "thing" has the same md5sum
21:35:47  <Ammler> so it is all ok, imo.
21:35:58  <planetmaker> hm... has it?
21:35:59  <Ammler> I wouldn't want it versioned in my data dir
21:36:09  <Ammler> as it would conflict my debug on the dev version
21:36:25  <planetmaker> well, yes, I would. I want a dev version and for pulic games the release version
21:36:31  * FooBar_ has patch crashing on him
21:36:38  <planetmaker> :O
21:36:46  <planetmaker> FooBar_: did you hg pull -u before?
21:36:54  <planetmaker> and then you need patch -p1 < patch.diff
21:36:56  <FooBar_> yes I did
21:37:13  <FooBar_> patch doesn't even attempt to merge the diff for some reason
21:37:22  <FooBar_> It just sits there blinking it's cursor :S
21:37:31  <planetmaker> cancel that
21:37:35  <planetmaker> type
21:37:46  <planetmaker> patch -p1 < patchfile
21:37:55  <planetmaker> in the command prompt in the firs main directory
21:38:01  <planetmaker> where you also did hg pull -u
21:38:10  <FooBar_> ah, forgot the < :P
21:38:14  <planetmaker> :P
21:39:04  <FooBar_> here we go... now to see what it does :)
21:39:29  <Ammler> Hirundo: you might have missed the pre discussion
21:39:51  <Ammler> is it possible to define all infrastructure owning to nobody?
21:40:06  <Ammler> might be cool for scenario
21:40:36  <planetmaker> that really is trouble and needs an own patch. Possibly on top
21:40:53  <Ammler> well, it needs IS
21:41:06  <planetmaker> No
21:41:18  <planetmaker> Oil rigs can be used by anyone.
21:41:21  <Frankr> yh but thn will ppl want to build things
21:41:36  <planetmaker> So the principles work in trunk. But it's not officially supported elsewhere.
21:41:38  <Ammler> hmm,
21:41:50  <FooBar_> planetmaker: make install fails on me: "tar: firs-nightly: Cannot stat: No such file or directory"
21:42:03  <planetmaker> hm...
21:42:05  <Frankr> where would the money from the infra structure go as well?
21:42:05  <Ammler> don't think so
21:42:14  <planetmaker> FooBar_: try make remake && make install
21:42:17  <Ammler> (not that easy)
21:42:48  <Ammler> Frankr: details :P
21:42:51  <FooBar_> same :(
21:43:04  <Frankr> lol
21:43:07  <planetmaker> that's bad :S
21:43:42  <Ammler> it doesn't matter, important is it goes out from you.
21:44:05  <planetmaker> FooBar_: what does you get when you call make test?
21:44:32  <planetmaker> I'm especially interested in the line which says Dirs (nightly/release/base):
21:45:04  <Ammler> don't have a first checkout here :-/
21:45:11  <Ammler> so I let you do it
21:45:16  <FooBar_> Dirs (nightly/release/base):  firs-nightly / firs-nightly-r81M / firs-Host type unknown (win?)
21:45:20  <Ammler> -t
21:45:43  <planetmaker> woot?
21:46:08  <FooBar_> I'm on NT6, so I suppose ifeq ($(OSTYPE),MINGW32_NT-5.1) failes
21:46:32  <planetmaker> well. That's fine.
21:46:44  <Ammler> why does it need os detection?
21:46:54  <planetmaker> Isn't it two lines, FooBar_ ?
21:47:06  <planetmaker> well... actually then it's what I expect.
21:47:30  <planetmaker> FooBar_: what does, btw uname -s give you when typed in the command prompt?
21:47:41  <FooBar_> Oh... I made it into one believing that it was wrapped...
21:48:02  <FooBar_> On two lines it's this:
21:48:06  <FooBar_> Dirs (nightly/release/base):  firs-nightly / firs-nightly-r81M / firs-
21:48:08  <FooBar_> Host type unknown (win?)
21:48:09  <planetmaker> FooBar_: no, it's not :) it's two lines :)
21:48:12  <planetmaker> that's fine then.
21:49:01  <FooBar_> I don't see either of those dirs getting created if I run the makefile
21:49:35  <planetmaker> obviously... :S
21:50:05  <planetmaker> hm... I get the same error actually. At least now.
21:52:30  <planetmaker> FooBar_: besides the issue: what does "uname -s" in the console give you?
21:52:48  <FooBar_> MINGW32_NT-6.0
21:54:24  <FooBar_> Is it me or is there no $(TAR_FILENAME) target?
21:56:26  <FooBar_> Also you should use %USERPROFILE% instead of C:\Documents and Settings$(USERNAME)
21:56:44  <FooBar_> C:\Documents and Settings$(USERNAME) failes miserably on Vista as that has no Documents and Settings
21:57:26  <planetmaker> FooBar_: there is a %.$(TAR_SUFFIX) target
21:57:50  <FooBar_> is that the same? No wonder I couldn't find it ;)
21:57:59  <planetmaker> the error you get is from that. It basically accomodates both tars, the release and the nightly
21:58:11  <planetmaker> Kinda improving efficiency ;)
21:58:59  <planetmaker> FooBar_: concerning the SERPROFILE% - I tried to get it into the makefile. But failed. Feel please free to include it successfully :)
21:59:13  <planetmaker> uhm... funny formatting :S
22:01:17  <FooBar_> alright. I'll try as soon as it's working, as there's not much to try at the moment ;)
22:03:21  <planetmaker> FooBar_: you can always try make test
22:03:26  <planetmaker> that's sufficient to test it.
22:03:41  <FooBar_> I did, that just displays %USERPROFILE%
22:04:03  <Brot6> firs: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:04:03  <planetmaker> And mind: you have a patched makefile. Not a clean checkout. You could revert it :)
22:04:17  <FooBar_> true...
22:04:36  <planetmaker> but make test is fine for testing. That's actually what I introduced it for...
22:04:38  <FooBar_> although I'm still looking into why this isn't working...
22:04:57  <FooBar_> Not that I know much about makefiles, but you never know... :)
22:05:00  <planetmaker> I don't understand it either. It has the target firs-nightly. It just doesn't call it.
22:15:33  <planetmaker> FooBar_: can you change a small thing and try?
22:15:40  <FooBar_> sure
22:15:52  <planetmaker> in the definition of %.$(TAR_SUFFIX)
22:16:05  <planetmaker> replace that line with
22:16:07  <planetmaker> %.$(TAR_SUFFIX): % $(BUNDLE_FILES)
22:17:37  <FooBar_> that seems to do the trick
22:19:48  <planetmaker> and make clean :)
22:24:46  <FooBar_> how can I test make release with a tag?
22:25:08  <FooBar_> I did hg tag "0.1.0" and then make release...
22:25:30  <FooBar_> but that created a bundle named firs-nightly-r82M...
22:26:35  <planetmaker> hm... anything?
22:28:39  * planetmaker yawns and slowly heads to his bed :-)
22:28:55  <FooBar_> goodnight!
22:29:02  <FooBar_> I was thinking about doing the same...
22:29:18  <FooBar_> Makefile seems in order now I think
22:29:36  <FooBar_> It seems to do what it should do, although I couldn't test the tag stuff yet.
22:30:34  <planetmaker> ok, just let me know whether it works... I've a few minor things changed, mostly cleanup and then I'll commit this stuff.
22:30:46  <planetmaker> I'm off to bed now :)
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23:06:28  <Frankr> cya planetmaker
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