Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 13th July 2009:
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01:33:36  <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 76M)
01:33:36  <Brot6> It's OBVIOUS ... The FURS never reached ISTANBUL ... You were an EXTRA in the REMAKE of "TOPKAPI" ... Go home to your WIFE ... She's making FRENCH TOAST!
05:20:33  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #324: running costs DS3 @ (by planetmaker)
05:33:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #325: missing real sprites (nfo error) @ (by planetmaker)
05:33:40  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #325: missing real sprites (nfo error) @ (by planetmaker)
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05:59:50  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Revision 224: Fix #324: running costs of DS3 @ (by planetmaker)
05:59:50  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: 2cc train set - Bug #324 (Closed): running costs DS3 @ (by planetmaker)
06:02:39  <ODM> mornin
06:04:02  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
06:07:19  <planetmaker> moin
06:08:58  <ODM> youre busy early:O
06:14:26  <planetmaker> not really too much
06:14:27  <planetmaker> was an easy copy&paste fix :)
06:14:29  <planetmaker> And I didn't even understand what I did. But it works :P
06:14:49  <ODM> nice
06:14:56  <ODM> do you have holidays yet?
06:16:27  <planetmaker> well.... school children do. I don't.
06:16:36  <planetmaker> yes, students, do, too.
06:16:43  <planetmaker> as of last Friday
06:17:18  <ODM> and you?:P
06:17:29  <planetmaker> I don't :(
06:18:48  <ODM> so when do you get off?:O
06:19:19  <planetmaker> In August I'll take a few days off.
06:19:33  <planetmaker> But no "big" holiday this summer
06:19:50  <ODM> aaaw
06:19:53  <ODM> how unfair.
06:20:24  <planetmaker> several times a few days is as relaxing though, I figured
06:20:48  <ODM> ima be lazy with my time off
06:20:57  <ODM> and somewhere campzone^^
06:21:17  <planetmaker> "campzone"?
06:21:30  <ODM> big outdoor lan
06:21:36  <planetmaker> ah :)
06:21:52  <planetmaker> sounds alright :)
06:22:02  <ODM> a tad decadent:P
06:22:07  <planetmaker> yes :P
06:22:23  <ODM> "yes, were going oldskool camping....yes thats our fridge, thats the pc yes"
06:23:40  <planetmaker> hehe :)
06:24:11  <planetmaker> Hm... I should rather go hiking or biking with that time than spend more in front of a computer :)
06:24:40  <ODM> that sounds way tiring:P
06:24:49  <planetmaker> yes, yes.
06:24:59  <ODM> most time is just sitting outside anyway, atleast with good weather
06:25:02  <ODM> *fingers crossed*
06:25:12  <planetmaker> Just the right thing to clear the mind and get into a completely different frame
06:26:09  <ODM> i guess theres some nice hiking spots there
06:26:32  <planetmaker> Oh, there are...
06:26:50  <planetmaker> I just wonder whether my next bigger hiking / biking tour should be through Switzerland or through Norway :)
06:27:12  <planetmaker> and whether I should do hiking or rather take my velo :)
06:28:36  <ODM> your fiets!
06:28:58  <ODM> switzerland is nice really
06:29:01  <ODM> though expensive
06:29:25  <planetmaker> well, I guess so, yes
06:29:52  <planetmaker> but Norway isn't cheap either. Hm... and both don't have the Euro :(
06:30:19  <ODM> hehe, i prefer foreighn money anyway
06:30:21  <ODM> way cooler
06:31:21  <planetmaker> hehe :)
06:31:32  <planetmaker> But one is more prone to rip-off :)
06:31:48  <ODM> thats the charm:P
06:31:54  <planetmaker> it needs more thinking :P
06:31:55  <ODM> and euro is ripoff anyway
06:32:54  <planetmaker> nah...
06:34:29  <ODM> hmm spa fruit is quite nice actually:O
06:37:30  * planetmaker wonders what spa fruit might be...
06:37:36  <planetmaker> is it a kind of lemonade from spa?
06:38:52  <ODM> yeah
06:39:11  <ODM> so im guessing its just lemonade with water:P
06:41:13  <planetmaker> ha, cool. Finally the website of our particle supplier works in FF...
06:41:54  <ODM> after how long?:P
06:42:02  <ODM> and wut? particle supplier?
06:42:03  <planetmaker> dunno. Many years :)
06:42:06  <ODM> like a hadron collider?
06:42:11  <planetmaker>
06:42:30  <planetmaker> na. Particles. We're not into sub-atomic things :)
06:43:35  <ODM> hmm cool:D
06:43:42  <ODM> gmbh is such a weird adding
06:44:12  <planetmaker> English: Ltd
06:44:37  <ODM> dutch probably BV
06:44:45  <planetmaker> pro'ly
06:45:03  <ODM> when are you in dutchieland again?
06:45:36  <planetmaker> dunno right now exactly.
06:45:43  <planetmaker> latest somewhen in October
06:45:47  <planetmaker> Maybe earlier
06:45:55  <ODM> for the unistuff?
06:46:21  <planetmaker> nope
06:47:07  <planetmaker> just visiting friends
06:47:20  <ODM> oh, i thought proving gravity
06:47:39  <planetmaker> nope. That I can do better here :)
06:47:51  <ODM> i bet because theres mountains.
06:50:40  <planetmaker> moutains? In the German low lands? hahaha! :)
06:50:50  <ODM> you mock, but its probably more then we have:D
06:52:19  <planetmaker> maybe :)
06:52:27  <planetmaker> But I'm at 70m above sea level only here.
06:52:54  <ODM> im at about 5
06:52:59  <ODM> because im at the first floor:P
06:54:19  <planetmaker> :P
06:59:47  <ODM> brilliant map
07:02:00  <planetmaker> indeed
07:02:38  <planetmaker> though they have a bit un-intuitive colour scale.
07:02:44  <planetmaker> or at least it seems so
07:03:15  <ODM> yeah the blue/green bit is a bit hard to distinguish
07:03:22  <planetmaker> (look at the scale - it's neither linear nor logarithmic
07:03:33  <ODM> and that:p
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08:55:16  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #326: Nightly builds @ (by yorick)
08:57:56  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Wiki edit: Table_of_Info (#29) @ (by yorick)
08:59:56  <ODM> ohno a yorick
09:05:35  <planetmaker> I added the status "Confirmed" for bugs reported.
09:06:27  <ODM> which do you work on anyway pm?
09:06:32  <yorick> hey ODM :)
09:06:43  <ODM> heya:)
09:06:50  <ODM> im commenting my one day shabby job:p
09:08:04  <planetmaker> ODM: you bugs I'm working on right now? None :P
09:08:17  <planetmaker> Currently I'm procrastinating.
09:08:32  <ODM> i mean what projects? and do you code newgrfs or:)
09:08:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #136: add test case / test save @ (by planetmaker)
09:09:00  <planetmaker> yes, I'm a coder only.
09:09:11  <planetmaker> Mostly I've been doing the Makefiles, though
09:09:21  <planetmaker> For OpenGFX, 2ccTrainSet, FIRS and HEQS
09:09:30  <ODM> makefiles?:)
09:09:44  <planetmaker> hey, you're an IT student! You should know! :)
09:09:49  <ODM> but i dont
09:09:53  <planetmaker> :O
09:09:53  <ODM> so please enlighten:p
09:10:07  <planetmaker> ...
09:10:15  <planetmaker> uhm... you know the command make?
09:10:26  <ODM> no?
09:10:29  <ODM> that might be the reason:p
09:10:43  <planetmaker> basically it allows to supply a 'Makefile' which contains rules on how to compile and build your whole project
09:10:59  <planetmaker> E.g. I don't have to remember all the parameters and files which need compiling and the dependencies.
09:11:04  <planetmaker> It checks that all for me.
09:11:05  <ODM> aaah alright
09:11:14  <ODM> i think most of that comes with the IDE
09:11:14  <planetmaker> And now I just call "make" and it does all that for me
09:11:21  <planetmaker> IDE? :P
09:11:27  <planetmaker> command line rules :P
09:11:37  <ODM> integrated development environment
09:11:40  <yorick> IDE :'(
09:11:48  <planetmaker> ODM: I know :)
09:11:56  <ODM> although they might not be there for newgrfs:P
09:11:56  <yorick> but command line rules :P
09:11:59  <planetmaker> and yes, they're not bad, actually they can help a lot
09:12:25  <yorick> my IDE = text editor and command line :)
09:12:25  <planetmaker> IDEs just need to know then the Makefile they need to look at.
09:12:38  <planetmaker> I don't use project files, though
09:13:38  * ODM sighs and comments a bit more:D
09:13:46  <planetmaker> :)
09:14:11  <ODM> thats what you get when you start something like a "heh, bored, thisll be fun, never done that"
09:14:15  <ODM> and then people like it:P
09:14:34  <planetmaker> In layman's words: a makefile ensures that a layman can compile it without reading anything - provided he has all necessary tools installed and there are no errors.
09:14:49  <ODM> so handy stuff
09:14:53  <planetmaker> yes :)
09:15:14  <planetmaker> And it allows building the newgrf on all OS - independently of what you actually run
09:17:02  <ODM> ^
09:17:13  <ODM> i guess im a bad IT student, dunno all that
09:17:34  <ODM> im more fond of the logical thinking than the actual implementation
09:18:11  <yorick> and that's what they call IT students nowadays :(
09:18:34  * yorick has yet to become IT student
09:18:52  <ODM> id think youd need people from all over the spectrum;)
09:19:04  <ODM> oh, last year high school or?
09:19:12  <yorick> not even last year
09:19:18  <ODM> hehe
09:19:37  <ODM> tbh university will always focus on the theoretical aspects of it, way more than say college
09:20:15  <planetmaker> ODM, the logical and algorithmic thinking is IMO worth more than the knowledge of the tools themselves.
09:20:30  <planetmaker> The tools change all the time. The concepts only rarely and much more slowly
09:20:42  <ODM> yeah, all the papers we use are like ancient
09:21:00  <ODM> though theres alot of nice stuff... like the way to make otherwise impossible stuff work with randomization
09:21:03  <planetmaker> University shouldn't educate coding slaves, but people with insight and overview knowledge. Able to supervise the coding slaves ;)
09:21:20  <ODM> hehe, im aiming for a bit of both
09:23:25  <yorick> :)
09:24:56  <ODM> so you can use all thoses statuses to update the grf?
09:25:05  <yorick> the implemented ones, yes
09:25:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Wiki edit: Variable_E2 (#1) @ (by yorick)
09:25:09  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Wiki edit: Wiki (#18) @ (by yorick)
09:25:15  <ODM> quite nice:)
09:25:23  <ODM> btw, are you doing KLM planes?
09:25:32  <yorick> I'm not drawing anything :)
09:25:47  <ODM> well, is the set doing:p
09:26:18  * yorick checks
09:26:34  <yorick> yes, KLM city hoppers
09:27:18  <ODM> hmm its a start, some Fokker 50's and 70's then
09:27:30  <planetmaker> draw them :)
09:27:42  <yorick>  ls -R | grep -i "klm" :)
09:28:01  <yorick> but yes, please draw
09:28:20  <yorick> 32bpp graphics also accepted
09:28:26  <ODM> i am definately not know for my artistic or drawing skills:)
09:29:51  <yorick> then what are you known for
09:30:13  <ODM> i can make very bad jokes.
09:34:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #319 (Feedback): make zip should tar the grfs @ (by planetmaker)
09:34:31  <yorick> errrrm
09:34:36  <yorick> make tar should tar the grfs
09:35:33  <Ammler> opengfx is a exception, as it has multiple grfs ;-)
09:35:54  <Ammler> oh, and hello all
09:35:58  <yorick> hello Ammler
09:36:09  <Ammler> you were already busy it seems :-)
09:37:03  <yorick> meh, need pikkabird
09:37:16  <yorick> pikkabird is blocking our release!
09:37:28  <ODM> owyeah hey Ammler:)
10:16:35  <planetmaker> salut Ammler :)
11:02:59  <yorick> 19s for full recompile :)
11:11:04  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Java Game Logfile Analyzer - Revision 1: Comments & general housekeeping. @ (by ODM)
11:18:55  <yorick> ODM: what does your thing analyze?
11:19:38  <ODM> logs
11:19:47  <yorick> what kind of logs?
11:19:56  <ODM> game logs:P
11:19:59  <ODM> *points at name*
11:20:05  <yorick> produced by normal openttd?
11:21:13  <ODM> no a patch
11:21:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 299: - Add(#177): define sound sprites and depend on them (but don... @ (by yorick)
11:21:38  <Ammler> :-)
11:22:00  <Ammler> the patch does log all docommands
11:22:07  <yorick> so you make a patch that patches openttd to produce some kind of logfiles, and then you write a different application to parse that things?
11:22:25  <ODM> yes^^
11:22:30  <yorick> aha
11:22:31  <ODM> this is hindsight statistics
11:22:45  <Ammler> like webalizer :-)
11:23:06  <yorick> does it compile with gcj?
11:23:27  <ODM> i thought the java would be a clue:P
11:23:38  <yorick> ?
11:23:52  <Ammler> the patch is very ugly for dev standards, therefor private
11:24:17  <yorick> let me see, I like ugly patches :)
11:24:28  <Ammler> ask SmatZ :P
11:24:36  <yorick> oh, it's a smatz
11:24:51  <yorick> never mind then :)
11:24:53  <Ammler> and don't ask in #openttd
11:25:31  <SmatZ> :-D
11:25:44  <yorick> java :(
11:25:46  <Ammler> :-o
11:25:53  <Ammler> he is around :-)
11:26:07  <yorick> no, that's his bouncer-ai
11:26:14  <SmatZ> I guess I can post the link here :)
11:26:24  <yorick> smatz can do everything, so he can make ai bouncers
11:26:30  <SmatZ> haha :)
11:26:53  <ODM> im guessing the people here are kinda "friends of the coop" or so?:P
11:27:25  <yorick> ODM: what rock are you living under?
11:27:45  <ODM> thanks for your support:P
11:27:47  <yorick> stone*
11:27:49  <yorick> meh
11:27:51  <Ammler> this is cooperate developing :-P
11:27:52  <yorick> :)
11:28:09  <ODM> just cant really remember yorick, so i wondered
11:28:19  <yorick> mine is a bit round, with a square
11:28:27  <yorick> and some green lines
11:28:34  <yorick> with a white fence on it
11:28:44  <yorick> and two black squares next to the fence
11:28:50  <Ammler> like the #openttdcoop publicserver :-)
11:28:50  <ODM> mines very open with white walls, which brings the light in
11:29:13  <yorick> but the squares had to be removed, because it didn't fit under the bridge
11:30:09  <yorick> but then, the squares where put back, but they weren't connected properly
11:30:31  <yorick> so the intake and the outtake weren't divided anymore
11:30:44  <yorick> and then someone had to come fix the squares
11:30:45  <yorick> :)
11:31:10  <SmatZ>
11:32:09  <yorick> SmatZ: what's the M macro for
11:32:42  <SmatZ> +#define M(cmd, flags) {cmd, #cmd, flags}
11:33:00  <yorick> oh, it stringifies cmds
11:38:01  <Ammler>
12:06:23  <yorick> Ammler: feature #254 of was has a related revisions panel, but #177 doesn't?
12:12:30  <Ammler> yorick: which rev do you miss from #177 and check the commit messages
12:12:53  <yorick> Ammler, 299
12:13:30  <Ammler> it is in brackets
12:13:42  <yorick> but it links to the issue
12:13:47  <Ammler> no
12:13:49  <yorick> yes
12:13:53  <Ammler> but
12:14:08  <Ammler> how should redmine know that, if you don't use any of the keywords?
12:14:18  <yorick> <-- it does link
12:14:29  <yorick> Ammler: because add is a keyword
12:14:47  <planetmaker> add. But not Add(
12:14:52  <Ammler> :-)
12:15:07  <yorick> then why does it still link
12:15:24  <planetmaker> it doesn't link
12:15:25  <Ammler> ah
12:15:33  <planetmaker> there's no reference at #177
12:15:41  <planetmaker> just the link from the commit message to #177
12:15:45  <Ammler> every thing prefixed with "#" will link to tickets
12:15:45  <yorick> yes
12:15:56  <Ammler> everything prefixed with "r" will link to revisions
12:15:58  <yorick> the wiki doesn't say that :(
12:16:09  <planetmaker> as that's not a proper link :)
12:16:26  <planetmaker> <-- you want links that do that
12:16:32  <Ammler> but it might be worth a feature request :-)
12:16:34  <planetmaker> the associated revisions showing in the right
12:16:44  <yorick> planetmaker: I know
12:17:29  <yorick> but why does it still link to the issue with # in front of it, but only back if there is issue before the #
12:18:30  <planetmaker> :) Dunno
12:18:44  <planetmaker> I guess so it works also in other places like the wiki and stuff
12:19:04  <planetmaker> And you sometimes want to reference an issue without it referencing back
12:19:22  <planetmaker> Like "Implement a solution for feature #123 just like #98 was solved"
12:19:36  <planetmaker> so... it makes somewhat sense :)
12:19:47  <planetmaker> feature, not bug :)
12:20:17  <yorick> yes but add(...
12:20:33  <planetmaker> add(#123) != add #123
12:20:47  * yorick thinks it should be
12:21:16  <planetmaker> and "add (" and "Add(" and "Add (" and ...
12:21:25  <planetmaker> learn the syntax, I say :)
12:21:48  <planetmaker> though it makes somewhat sense, yes
12:22:13  <planetmaker> oh... not forgetting Add[ Add [ add[ and add [
12:22:18  <planetmaker> :P
12:22:31  <yorick> no, those should be only with fix
12:23:02  <planetmaker> Now, that's not logical is it?
12:23:19  <yorick> yes it is
12:23:23  <yorick> just in very bendy strange ways
12:23:31  <planetmaker> cool.
12:23:51  <yorick> because bugs are usually referenced with [], because you want bugs to be flat
12:24:04  <yorick> and features need to be alive...
12:24:14  <planetmaker> ...
12:24:18  <yorick> :-)
12:49:36  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 300: Added 737 Purchase and Running costs to the coding table @ (by Beardie27)
13:17:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 301: Added All The Dash 8 Greyscales Pngs @ (by Beardie27)
13:17:45  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 302: - Updated #177: add sound to all atrs @ (by yorick)
13:21:43  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #177: Add sound for existing aircraft @ (by yorick)
16:18:03  <Brot6> OpenGFX: update from r127 to r130, starting nightly compile
16:18:34  <Brot6> OpenGFX: nightlies compile finished with 1 errors:
17:23:11  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #169 (Closed): Dash 8 Greyscale @ (by Beardie27)
17:29:47  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #261 (Closed): Add 737 Costs to Coding Table @ (by Beardie27)
17:56:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #327: Boeing 737-800 TurkishAirlines sprite coordinates are off @ (by yorick)
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19:34:31  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 303: - Change: we don't use makefile implicit rules, so specify an... @ (by yorick)
19:39:54  <yorick> planetmaker: that change might be interesting for you
19:40:28  <planetmaker> true. Thanks
19:48:06  <yorick> also, you should depend on wav files ;)
19:50:59  <planetmaker> :D
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20:07:22  <yorick> oh noes, it's ODM
20:07:44  * ODM dies
20:07:55  * yorick yays
20:08:34  <ODM> aaw why?:(
20:14:41  <yorick> because 170%
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20:48:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12623: [IS] Don't store pointers to sharing_current and sharing... @ (by Hirundo)
20:48:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 12624: [IS] Codechange: Add a break statement when continuing t... @ (by Hirundo)
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21:16:39  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 304: 737-(1-3F) done Variable Costs and Fixed Costs @ (by Frank)
21:20:29  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Generic NewGRF Makefile - Revision 18: Change: disable default suffix rules. We're not using c/c+... @ (by planetmaker)
21:47:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 305: 737-(4-9) done Fixed and Variable Costs @ (by Frank)
21:47:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #238 (Closed): Running Costs at Different Heights @ (by Frank)
21:47:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #247 (Closed): Boeing 737-300 Nfo @ (by Frank)
21:47:55  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Bug #248 (Closed): Boeing 737-300F Nfo @ (by Frank)
21:47:58  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #249 (Closed): Boeing 737-400 Nfo @ (by Frank)
21:48:01  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #251 (Closed): Boeing 737-600 Nfo @ (by Frank)
21:48:04  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #252 (Closed): Boeing 737-700 Nfo @ (by Frank)
21:48:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #253 (Closed): Boeing 737-800 Nfo @ (by Frank)
22:00:41  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 306: Updated TT with Dash 8 and 757 Greyscale Info @ (by Beardie27)
22:04:05  <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh:// initiated.
22:21:26  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Feature #106: Sprites 1947:2009 (63) - Toyland: trees @ (by Ammler)
22:40:51  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Feature #328: SkyLift 150 GreyScale pcx @ (by Frank)
23:21:07  <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 307: Added SkyLift ID's in @ (by Frank)

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