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01:11:36 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2707: (svn r2860) Translation update: pt-BR (#3839) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2707 (by winterheart) 01:33:35 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 98M) 01:33:35 <Brot6> I know things about TROY DONAHUE that can't even be PRINTED!! 04:23:49 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 04:23:57 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Webster 06:13:41 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 06:13:56 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 07:26:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Autopilot - Bug #571: AP+ PS->IRC bridge doesn't work with timestamp update @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/571#change-1378 (by Ammler) 07:26:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Autopilot - Bug #571: AP+ PS->IRC bridge doesn't work with timestamp update @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/571#change-1379 (by Ammler) 07:26:15 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1380 (by DJNekkid) 08:54:41 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:54:53 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 09:36:38 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:31:31 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:31:36 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 12:23:08 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 13:09:38 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:09:53 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 13:54:10 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 14:02:37 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:02:49 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 15:20:47 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:20:52 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 15:21:08 <DJNekkid> hi guy(s) 15:25:24 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1381 (by lawton27) 15:25:25 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1382 (by lawton27) 15:31:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1383 (by DJNekkid) 15:33:48 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1384 (by lawton27) 15:38:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1385 (by DJNekkid) 15:38:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #569: Transrapid 09 alignment @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/569#change-1386 (by lawton27) 15:38:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #566: Transrapid 08 - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/566#change-1387 (by lawton27) 15:38:09 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #565: Transrapid 06 - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/565#change-1388 (by lawton27) 15:38:40 <Ammler> :-o 15:39:44 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #564: Transrapid 05 and 07 - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/564#change-1389 (by lawton27) 15:47:14 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #562: Transrapid 02 and 03 - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/562#change-1390 (by lawton27) 15:52:36 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #495: Add license @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/495#change-1391 (by Ammler) 15:52:36 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #559: Bombardier Z35 and HSML - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/559#change-1392 (by lawton27) 15:56:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #560: Pegasus - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/560#change-1393 (by lawton27) 15:56:13 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Feature #558: Gemini Monorail - CODE @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/558#change-1394 (by lawton27) 16:00:22 <Ammler> DJNekkid: shall I help you on that set? 16:00:50 <Ammler> (just replacing some sprite sheets ;-) 16:01:51 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 16:11:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #570: Transrapid 09 stat typo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/570#change-1395 (by DJNekkid) 16:15:50 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:15:55 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v DJNekkid 16:15:58 <DJNekkid> hi guys :) 16:16:02 <DJNekkid> again :) 16:16:04 <Ammler> again :P 16:16:06 <Ammler> he 16:16:10 <DJNekkid> i were concidering ... 16:16:11 <Ammler> sali DJNekkid 16:16:22 <DJNekkid> should make an own 2cc v2.0 project? 16:16:30 <Ammler> ? 16:17:01 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: New Monorail & Maglev TrainSet - Bug #570: Transrapid 09 stat typo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/570#change-1396 (by lawton27) 16:17:02 <Ammler> you like to code everything from scratch? 16:17:07 <DJNekkid> pretty much 16:17:14 <DJNekkid> but: 16:17:56 <DJNekkid> the templates can code _most_ MUs quite fast 16:18:01 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. (r267) 16:18:02 <Brot6> firs: nightly compile not needed. (r217) 16:18:02 <Brot6> fish: nightly compile not needed. (r103) 16:18:03 <Brot6> heqs: nightly compile not needed. (r169) 16:18:03 <Brot6> nmts: nightly compile not needed. (r12) 16:18:03 <Brot6> opengfx: nightly compile not needed. (r200) 16:18:04 <Brot6> opensfx: nightly compile not needed. (r41) 16:18:05 <Brot6> worldairlineset: nightly compile not needed. (r535) 16:18:11 <DJNekkid> can do probably a few ones per hour... 16:19:24 <Ammler> and how do you track it? 16:19:29 <DJNekkid> track ? 16:20:01 <Ammler> the progress, "what's left to code" 16:20:19 <DJNekkid> on a ... uhm ... 16:20:32 <DJNekkid> if the "file.pnfo" dont excist, its not coded :) 16:21:09 <Ammler> hmm, and where do you track "what" isn't coded :-P 16:21:34 <DJNekkid> i dunno? in my head? :P 16:21:35 <Ammler> I just mean, would you also like to make a new project 16:22:14 <Ammler> dunno, what is better 16:22:25 <Ammler> make it new or rewrite existing. 16:22:51 <DJNekkid> well, the current one is, imho, a mess 16:23:00 <DJNekkid> and a complete rewrite is easier 16:23:48 <Ammler> but you rewrite it just for better code 16:24:01 <Ammler> there are no new graphics... 16:24:16 <Ammler> dunno, if that is worth the effort. 16:24:20 <DJNekkid> there are _some_ 16:24:32 <DJNekkid> but, a rewrite would fix all or nearly all aligment bugs 16:26:23 <DJNekkid> point is ... 16:26:30 <DJNekkid> i started the 2cc set to learn nfo 16:27:01 <DJNekkid> and my intention were always to learn stuff, and at some point rewrite it 16:30:07 <Ammler> DJNekkid: don't get me wrong, I won't hold you back from creating new project for. 16:30:17 <Ammler> just not sure, if it is worth right now. 16:30:29 <DJNekkid> but, the current 2cc set sux :P 16:30:38 <Ammler> well 16:30:42 <Ammler> it has some bugs. 16:30:44 <DJNekkid> too full of minor bugs ... 16:31:10 <DJNekkid> and the wagons arent very thought thru 16:34:03 <Ammler> DJNekkid: maybe you like to use the wiki to design the new set 16:34:18 <Ammler> how the templates are made and used. 16:34:27 <Ammler> what you need from preprocessor. 16:34:45 <Ammler> maybe other neat things 16:35:35 <Ammler> it should also include a system to easy change IDs and values, imo. 16:35:54 <DJNekkid> as far as i know is thoose things implemented now? 16:36:20 <Ammler> those things? 16:36:37 <DJNekkid> preprocessor stuff 16:36:46 <DJNekkid> STR_STUFF_THINGS 16:36:51 <DJNekkid> ID_ENGINE_WHATEVEr 16:36:52 <Ammler> well, but very basically, imo. 16:36:52 <DJNekkid> etc 16:37:17 <Ammler> if you use templates, you could use such stuff much deeper 16:37:33 <DJNekkid> enlighten me :) 16:38:13 <Ammler> e.g. #include templates/mu/defaults.pnfo 16:38:36 <Ammler> #include muX45/overrides.pnfo 16:38:55 <Ammler> #include templates/mu/Action0.pnfo 16:38:58 <Ammler> ... 16:39:57 <Ammler> you get what I mean 16:40:03 <DJNekkid> not really :) 16:40:31 <Ammler> if you change something in the template, if will be applied to all vehicels, also something already coded. 16:40:37 <Ammler> it* 16:41:38 <Ammler> you could use different mu values sets 16:41:52 <Ammler> for different kinds of them. 16:42:04 <Ammler> like early current futur 16:42:39 <Ammler> well, basically macros, I guess. 16:43:18 <DJNekkid> well ... 16:43:26 <Ammler> I just wouldn't replace values in the templates itslef. 16:43:29 <DJNekkid> all in all, i think it still should be NFO, not precompiled NFO 16:43:36 <Ammler> i would #define them 16:43:42 <Ammler> then load the template 16:44:18 <Ammler> well, it isn't now, we already use pnfo 16:44:42 <Ammler> you like to go back to nfo like in your early time? 16:45:52 <DJNekkid> not in its purest form 16:46:14 <Ammler> you will get a nof like here: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nmts/nightlies/nmts.nfo 16:46:38 <DJNekkid> "nof" ? 16:46:42 <Ammler> :-P 16:46:49 <DJNekkid> whats nof? 16:46:53 <Ammler> nfo 16:46:56 <Ammler> maybe? 16:47:24 <Ammler> well, discuss that further with planetmaker. 16:47:38 <Ammler> as he is the guru of Makefile. 16:47:58 <DJNekkid> well, my point is, i dont want "WAS" ... 16:48:11 <DJNekkid> i dont understand how that works ... 16:48:28 <DJNekkid> it should be "nfo with benefits" 16:49:12 <Ammler> well, maybe I draw it down for you. 16:49:22 <DJNekkid> the current mu-template is quite ok i think 16:49:35 <Ammler> my idea is like was, just easier, imo. 16:49:54 <Ammler> I don't want to use real macros. 16:50:19 <Ammler> I just would replace the template values directly. 16:50:34 <DJNekkid> for example? 16:50:46 <DJNekkid> "-1 * 0 02 00 E1 81 47 10 FF 04" 16:51:21 <DJNekkid> to "ACTION_E1_VAR2-42_CARGOCLASS_4values" ? 16:52:07 <DJNekkid> -1 * 0 02 00 ED 82 B4 00 FF 01 -> ACTION2_ED_VAR2_SPEEDBASED_1value ? 16:53:28 <Ammler> hmm, there is no template nfo in nmts 16:53:34 <DJNekkid> in 2cc-set 16:53:41 <Ammler> how do you add a new train there? 16:54:24 <DJNekkid> well ... 16:55:08 <DJNekkid> i would like a new project, copy the template to a dir, rename the template, edit it to match the train i like 16:55:23 <DJNekkid> then add it to 2cc.pnfo or what it was, (what files to include) 16:55:32 <DJNekkid> then add the ID to id.pnfo 16:55:43 <Ammler> and what if you need to rise all prices by say 150%? 16:56:10 <DJNekkid> then i need to edit every single nfo 16:56:22 <DJNekkid> because, prices are a fraction of 255 16:56:31 <Ammler> and no easy bulk replace. 16:56:45 <DJNekkid> but, i never want to raise all prices by that, because we have a .xls 16:57:02 <DJNekkid> and that .xls will calculate every price 16:57:23 <Ammler> the xls could generate the override.nfo 16:57:53 <DJNekkid> can the makefile read a xls ? 16:58:09 <DJNekkid> quick afk 16:58:12 <Ammler> no 16:58:21 <Ammler> but you could easy write a nfo from xls 17:03:23 <DJNekkid> as in, copy paste ? 17:04:18 <Ammler> yep 17:04:25 <Ammler> or whatever 17:05:10 <DJNekkid> so, its possible to define multiple stuff on one line? 17:49:11 <planetmaker> heya 18:28:51 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 536: Added All Currently MD81 and MD83 pngs and pcxs @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/536 (by Beardie27) 19:51:12 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 537: Added MD-81 PCX @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/537 (by FaddyPainter) 20:06:45 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:06:50 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Frankr 20:11:52 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: World Airliners Set - Revision 538: Fixing All Errors @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/538 (by Beardie27) 20:16:53 <Frankr> Ammler: Do you use Vista? 20:18:24 <Frankr> DJNekkid: Do you use Vista? 20:20:24 * welshdragon does 20:21:03 <Frankr> Do you know if Vista Notepad is compatible on Xp 20:21:13 <Frankr> Which Encoding basically 20:21:59 <welshdragon> i don't use the notepad, but i'll have a look tomorrow 20:22:49 <Frankr> how do you make nfo's thn 20:24:44 <welshdragon> i'm not a coder :D 20:25:46 <Frankr> lol 20:37:16 <jonty-comp> yes, it should be 20:37:24 <jonty-comp> notepad is just plain ASCII as far as I know 20:37:30 <jonty-comp> with DOS line feeds and whatnot 20:37:57 <Frankr> Well it is compatible but has gone into being unreadable 20:38:04 <jonty-comp> hmm 20:38:08 <jonty-comp> that's not right 20:38:20 <jonty-comp> you should be able to load a notepad .txt made in windows 7 on windows 3.1! 20:38:34 <jonty-comp> perhaps you could try using notepad++ (google it, it's quite awesome) 20:39:11 <Ammler> I used metapad on my old windows days. 20:39:38 <Ammler> (replaced notepad with it) 20:41:00 <Frankr> God Vista is the worst program microsoft had every made 20:41:09 <Frankr> They should be shot 20:41:13 <jonty-comp> I used metapad on windows 98 20:41:18 <jonty-comp> but now I use notepad++ 20:41:23 <jonty-comp> Windows Vista is quite awful 20:41:28 <jonty-comp> but Windows 7 is much better 20:41:46 <Frankr> i hope 20:41:59 <Frankr> i shall upgrade to windows 7 20:51:35 <Chris_Booth> microsoft are giving out free versions of windos 7 unltimate 20:51:53 <Chris_Booth> it you put your name forward for a windows 7 party and get selected 21:00:40 <Frankr> i may do that 21:02:02 <Frankr> Steve Ballmer is Crazy 21:03:06 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:05:07 <Ammler> Frankr: you could update to Linux ;-) 21:05:17 <Frankr> :) 21:05:37 <Ammler> It isn't that difficult, how it sounds. 21:07:54 <Ammler> the only reason you need windows then, is for special games. 21:07:56 <Frankr> i know, Linux has a lot of good feedback 21:08:09 <Ammler> and those works nicely with every windows. 21:08:10 <Frankr> but i would always have to have windows 21:08:21 <Frankr> maybe have 2 boots 21:08:27 <Frankr> linux and windows 21:08:29 <Ammler> Frankr: 2 years ago, I thought the same. 21:08:42 <Rubidium> special games? 21:08:42 <Ammler> now I boot my windows only for windows games anymore. 21:08:53 <Chris_Booth> i currently have to have windows for uni work 21:09:01 <Rubidium> there're only 3 special games and all run on Linux/Wine 21:09:03 <Chris_Booth> as they make us use visual studio 21:09:25 <Rubidium> (or dosbox) 21:09:50 <Ammler> what does visual studio, what linux dev tools can't? 21:09:56 <Chris_Booth> if someone can get VS 2008 to work in linux i would only boot ubuntu 21:10:27 <Chris_Booth> nothing 21:10:28 <Ammler> the last windows boot was around 3 months ago. 21:10:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: install a shitload of .NET versions? 21:10:48 <Chris_Booth> but university use vs 2008 so i use it 21:10:55 <Ammler> that is what I fear from next boot :-P 21:10:59 <Chris_Booth> makes life easy on using 1 compiler 21:11:16 <Ammler> well, I didn't enable autoupdate. 21:11:34 <Ammler> oh, I have also a virtualbox windows running. 21:11:35 <Chris_Booth> also i do rather like openttd auto update 21:11:52 <Ammler> for a old access financel tool 21:11:59 <Chris_Booth> ammler I am the other way arround i use VM ware to VM ubuntu 21:13:14 <Ammler> if I would use windows, I would install cgywin or how that is called. 21:14:39 <Chris_Booth> that looks rather cool 21:14:48 <Ammler> I know people they use unix tools with x11.exe :-) 21:15:07 <Ammler> from the server 21:15:24 <Chris_Booth> see if i even need a different os i just load it using VM ware 21:15:31 <Chris_Booth> from my windows box 21:15:56 <Ammler> using windows as main system is no option for me anymore. 21:16:23 <Chris_Booth> why? 21:16:54 <Ammler> well, software management is pure hell with windows. 21:17:07 <Chris_Booth> no it isnt 21:17:27 <Chris_Booth> drive managment is a bit poor compared to linux 21:17:40 <Ammler> searching the whole internet for a good tool is just omg. 21:17:59 <Ammler> looking for matching drivers for hardware :'-( 21:18:14 <Ammler> on linux it simply just works. 21:18:50 <Chris_Booth> ok hardware is a nightmare but you can always find the correct driver 21:18:57 * Rubidium wonders what to do to get Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP, OpenOffice and MSVC updated in Windows 21:18:59 <Chris_Booth> with linux and osx it may not find the driver 21:19:19 <Ammler> here it is "zypper up " 21:20:09 <Ammler> I have setup a pc with linux in say 40 min but complete with multimedia, office tools everything. 21:20:21 * Rubidium challenges Chris_Booth to find the Windows USB3 driver 21:20:44 <Ammler> on windows, you can reserve a day 21:22:14 <Chris_Booth> how slow is your PC ammler 21:22:24 <Ammler> the server? 21:22:26 <Chris_Booth> and what version of windows where you trying to use? 21:22:51 <Ammler> you think, you would setup a windows before I setup a Linux? 21:22:54 <Chris_Booth> [22:20] <Ammler> on windows, you can reserve a day < windows take 2 hours to install 21:23:14 <Chris_Booth> no linux is quicker to setup 21:23:22 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: does that include *all* service packs/security updates? 21:23:36 <Chris_Booth> but it doesnt take 24 hours to install windows and drivers and media programs and office 21:23:37 <Ammler> well, then you have a recovery CD 21:23:56 <Ammler> hmm, 24 hours might be too long :-) 21:24:05 <Ammler> but around 5 it is. 21:24:13 <Chris_Booth> Rubidium: if you buy the latest version of windows it come with all the service packs 21:24:24 <Ammler> and the drivers? 21:24:31 <Ammler> office tools? 21:24:36 <Ammler> media players? 21:24:46 <Chris_Booth> vista is more like linux with drivers it will find them for you 21:24:49 <Ammler> development tools? 21:24:54 <Chris_Booth> office tools get open office 21:25:03 <Rubidium> oh... add another 30 minutes to buy the latest windows, vista SP something. When was that SP released? 21:25:07 <Chris_Booth> windows comes with windows media player 21:25:12 <Ammler> :-) 21:25:32 <Chris_Booth> the get the dev tools you need 21:25:32 <Ammler> oh, then you need another hours to install all the codecs. 21:25:41 <Rubidium> ah, april 2009... so still half a year of security updates to apply 21:25:41 <Chris_Booth> i agree linux package manager is handy 21:26:06 <Ammler> I prefer to install vlc on windows, still. 21:26:09 <Chris_Booth> ammler you are a tool sometimes 21:26:17 <Chris_Booth> get a combined codec pack 21:26:38 <Chris_Booth> http://www.cccp-project.net/ < for exampl 21:26:39 <Webster> Title: Combined Community Codec Pack (at www.cccp-project.net) 21:26:43 <Chris_Booth> has everything you need 21:26:54 <Ammler> CB, I have to admit, not much experience there anymore 21:27:10 <Ammler> windows is just for pros. 21:27:25 <Ammler> linux is for newbies like me ;-) 21:27:26 <Chris_Booth> windows is for people that are forced to use it 21:27:35 <Chris_Booth> i never though i would here that 21:27:52 <Chris_Booth> i cant stand windows media player 21:28:06 <Chris_Booth> so i would have to factor in downloading win amp 21:28:21 <Ammler> I have to download everything 21:28:27 <Ammler> that is why it takes so long 21:28:27 <Chris_Booth> i think windows is for people that are lazy/dont know any better 21:28:29 <Ammler> 40 mins 21:28:34 <Ammler> for 2 GB 21:29:03 <Ammler> else you would setup a linux in 10 mins :-D 21:29:10 <Chris_Booth> ammler put it this way you would have to you a MAC or windows box to get linux distro in the first place 21:29:46 <Ammler> oh, openttd is installed in those 40 mins, too. 21:30:21 <Chris_Booth> i dont need to install openttd i have a program to do that for me 21:30:36 <Chris_Booth> it also manages my GRF's and revisions 21:30:40 <Ammler> no there is netinstaller bootable CD 21:31:23 <Ammler> oh, and how do you update from Windows Vista to Windows 7? 21:31:44 <Chris_Booth> well for me i go to uni and burn myself a DVD 21:31:51 <Ammler> then? 21:31:59 <Chris_Booth> then install it as an upgrade over windows vista 21:32:08 <Ammler> oh, does that work? 21:32:23 <Chris_Booth> windows installer gives me the option to remove or keep old windows files 21:32:36 <Chris_Booth> it did 2 years ago when i went vista 21:32:39 <Ammler> I always made fresh installs. 21:32:50 <Chris_Booth> so i assue the same will apply with windows 7 21:32:54 <Chris_Booth> which i get free 21:33:03 <Ammler> now, I change the repo url and type "zypper dup" 21:33:22 <Ammler> oh, I get my new suse for free, too :-P 21:33:37 <Chris_Booth> server edition? 21:33:45 <Ammler> yes, of course. 21:34:00 <Ammler> devzone runs with. 21:34:01 <Chris_Booth> illegal copy? 21:34:17 <Ammler> oh, you mean the support, which you can buy. 21:34:26 <Ammler> that is something I don't need. 21:34:41 <Chris_Booth> oh so your using open suse 21:34:42 <Ammler> Well, I would need, but ... 21:34:55 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: of course, what else? 21:35:19 <Ammler> you meant SLE 21:35:25 <Chris_Booth> i get all Microsoft product free via my university on MSDN 21:35:32 <Chris_Booth> that includes suse# 21:35:34 <Ammler> that is enterprise, not server 21:35:46 <Chris_Booth> ooh enterprise 21:35:51 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: you get also drugs for free 21:35:51 <Chris_Booth> i dont know what it is 21:36:04 <Chris_Booth> i dont get free drugs 21:36:27 <Ammler> for start, I am sure 21:36:55 <Chris_Booth> you knoe novell is party owned by microsoft 21:36:57 <Ammler> you shouldn't use software, which you can't use after you leave the school. 21:37:22 <Chris_Booth> i can use it 21:37:26 <Chris_Booth> the licence is for life 21:37:30 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: do I need to care, who owns novell? 21:37:43 <Chris_Booth> nope 21:37:59 <Ammler> oh, you want to use windows 7 the next 40 years? 21:38:11 <Chris_Booth> why not 21:38:18 <Ammler> :-) 21:38:20 <Ammler> ok 21:38:20 <Chris_Booth> i have been playing openttd for the past 12 21:38:34 <Ammler> yes, you play openttd now, not TTD 21:38:37 <Chris_Booth> well ttd 21:38:54 <Ammler> so you updated quite a lot just the last 10 years 21:39:39 <Chris_Booth> my operating system has changed 6 times in the time i have been playing the same game 21:39:54 <Chris_Booth> i even found one of my mega early games the other day 21:40:11 <Chris_Booth> but who is to say i will use the same hardware for the next 40 years? 21:40:25 <Ammler> what our schools do with Microsoft is just worst. 21:40:37 <Chris_Booth> and who is to say it is cheaper to build your own pc than it is to buy own from dell or Hp 21:40:53 <Chris_Booth> what do your schools do? 21:41:09 <Chris_Booth> get ripped and use XP or something? 21:41:13 <Ammler> Chris_Booth: it is quite the same here 21:41:20 <Ammler> you get MS for free 21:42:40 <Chris_Booth> MS is almost a curse 21:42:46 <Chris_Booth> as everyone uses it 21:42:57 <Chris_Booth> although its not got the market share it used to 21:43:05 <Ammler> yeah, you learn using VS, not C++ ;-) 21:43:08 <Chris_Booth> more people are going to linux and mac 21:43:33 <Chris_Booth> what ammler? 21:43:48 <Chris_Booth> i learn c++ from my tutors 21:43:51 <Chris_Booth> and text book 21:43:54 <Chris_Booth> and forums 21:43:57 <Ammler> no, you learn VS :-P 21:44:30 <Chris_Booth> so your now telling me vs just make my programs for me 21:44:40 <Ammler> yes, you said it earlier. 21:44:56 <Ammler> you need MSVS, that is why you use Windows. 21:45:26 <Chris_Booth> what i meant is that i have only ever used MS VS 21:45:45 <Ammler> so you think, you could also code with netbeans? 21:45:50 <Chris_Booth> and it does have some nice tools 21:46:09 <Chris_Booth> if it can read c++ or c# then yes 21:46:18 <Ammler> or eclipse 21:46:30 <Ammler> those are tools, which would work on windows, too, btw. 21:46:59 <Chris_Booth> vs does have some nice features though 21:47:13 <Ammler> well, anyway, it isn't bad, coding with VS 21:47:48 <Ammler> it is just bad, that the school forces you to use it. 21:48:07 <Chris_Booth> they dont force us to use it 21:48:13 <Chris_Booth> they supply us with it 21:48:31 <Chris_Booth> and suggest we use it as that what they are going to create all the demo work with 21:49:40 <Chris_Booth> i wish i could draw 21:49:41 <Ammler> so you are also learing to use the windows api, the whole gui stuff 21:49:46 <Chris_Booth> (draw well) 21:49:56 <Ammler> which only work on winows 21:50:33 <Ammler> well, I should shut off. 21:50:44 <Chris_Booth> night 21:51:24 <Chris_Booth> well if everyone else used the same API call it would make life easier 21:51:59 <Ammler> dunno, if live would be easier, if eveyone would use windows, maybe... 21:52:27 <Chris_Booth> not if everone used windows 21:52:33 <Chris_Booth> but if everyone used the same API 21:52:38 <Ammler> doesn't matter :-) 21:52:56 <Chris_Booth> and graphics card drver thingy like direct x 21:53:37 <Ammler> well, those games should be played on game consoles anyway. 21:53:55 <Ammler> pc is simply too expensive for that. 21:54:20 <Chris_Booth> then i have to much money 21:54:38 <Ammler> yeah, me too. 21:54:41 <Chris_Booth> i play all my game on PC 21:55:04 <Chris_Booth> one nice feature of windows it does tell you what game your PC can handle 21:55:09 <Ammler> I had once a NES 21:55:10 <Chris_Booth> with a rating system 21:55:21 <Chris_Booth> i still have my n64 21:55:25 <Ammler> no idea, 21:55:27 <Chris_Booth> pluged into my tv 21:55:42 <Ammler> I use TV for news and sport 21:56:03 <Chris_Booth> the rating system rates your PC on common feature and gives it a rating from 1 - 6 21:56:05 <Ammler> and pc for games and TV shows (Torrents) 21:56:27 <Chris_Booth> torrents are nasty 21:56:36 <Chris_Booth> to common and easy to trase 21:56:48 <Chris_Booth> and virgin media sent me a letter from downloading torrents 21:56:55 <Ammler> hehe. 21:57:08 <Ammler> I don't really care. 21:57:09 <Chris_Booth> i use ED2K now 21:57:21 <Chris_Booth> it is realy old but virgin seem to like it more 21:57:23 <Ammler> eDonkey? 21:57:31 <Chris_Booth> eDonkey is dead 21:57:34 <Chris_Booth> eMule 21:57:48 <Chris_Booth> ED2k + KAD 21:58:06 <Ammler> well, I don't use public torrent trackers 21:58:19 <Ammler> for the "notsolegalstuff" 21:58:54 <Chris_Booth> i always think that TV show from other countries are legal as there laws dont apply in our country 21:59:18 <Chris_Booth> music is to low quality 99% of the time when downloaded so i buy CDs 22:04:57 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest2161 22:05:06 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:05:24 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 22:10:13 *** Guest2161 has quit IRC 23:26:18 <DJNekkid> good morning 23:35:16 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC