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01:33:54 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 98M) 01:33:54 <Brot6> I just got my PRINCE bumper sticker ... But now I can't remember WHO he is ... 01:41:29 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:41:41 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 03:07:05 *** Audigex has quit IRC 07:36:39 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 07:58:40 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:58:45 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Doorslammer 08:20:51 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: have you seen the topic on licensing on the BROS forums? 08:23:11 <Doorslammer> I haven't there yet, I shall head there now 08:23:42 <welshdragon> didn't you forget your password? 08:23:52 * welshdragon can reset it now, if needed 08:24:11 <Doorslammer> I'll try again, I was really tired last night 08:25:02 <welshdragon> need a link? 08:25:13 <Doorslammer> lol at advert for Borg's Fresh Pastries 08:25:19 <Doorslammer> You will be dessicated 08:25:33 <welshdragon> :) 08:25:36 <Doorslammer> Logging in now 08:26:09 <Doorslammer> Ah, this one has letters and numbers for passwords doesn't it? 08:26:21 <Doorslammer> That was my error 08:26:34 <welshdragon> yes 08:26:57 <Doorslammer> Aha, no problems now 08:27:24 <welshdragon> if there's any bits that need changing let me know 08:29:33 <Doorslammer> Looks good 08:31:07 <welshdragon> i thought that having areas for artists better than having an area for one particular type of train (MU, Diesel, etc) 08:31:31 <Doorslammer> It makes for easier sorting 08:31:54 <welshdragon> yes 08:32:01 <Doorslammer> I actually think I would prefer to make the stock models personally, I find it easier than looking up liveries 08:32:17 <Doorslammer> Like the WAS does 08:32:23 <welshdragon> that's fine 08:32:41 <Doorslammer> I was actually going to do some, but the computer I use for that is not accessable at the moment 08:32:42 <welshdragon> just do whatever you feel like doing 08:33:10 <Doorslammer> Sure 08:33:46 <Doorslammer> Crikey, the Messenger is a huge download now 08:33:48 <welshdragon> So long as the set gets somewhere before christmas :D 08:33:56 <Doorslammer> Oh, no worries there now 08:34:12 <welshdragon> well, yeah 08:34:12 <Doorslammer> We have complete control now, things should be processed faster 08:34:18 <welshdragon> yes 08:34:38 <welshdragon> and everybody in the BROS group is a moderator 08:34:48 <Doorslammer> Nice 08:34:51 <Doorslammer> Oh, good news 08:34:57 <welshdragon> hmm? 08:35:10 <Doorslammer> That file Beardie sent me confirms the completion of the Class 37 08:35:24 <Doorslammer> All liveries are done for it 08:35:35 <Doorslammer> According to his .xls 08:35:50 <welshdragon> Ok, you can stick it on the Forums then 08:36:00 <Doorslammer> Doing so now 08:36:21 <welshdragon> I'm disappearing, got to do stuff 08:36:45 <welshdragon> So long as you are happy, that's great 08:37:54 <Doorslammer> OK, see you a bit later on 08:38:30 <welshdragon> and yeah 08:38:35 <welshdragon> that licensing thing 08:38:41 <welshdragon> VOTE! 08:38:57 <Doorslammer> Yep, all read and good with me 08:39:15 <welshdragon> did you vote though? 08:39:42 <welshdragon> (it'll probably be me who hasn't clicked yes at the poll at the top) 08:43:51 <Doorslammer> Oops, missed the poll 08:45:48 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:45:49 <Doorslammer> Voted 08:46:00 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Chris_Booth 09:07:44 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:07:49 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 09:12:57 <Beardie> Hey welshdragon 09:20:48 *** Beardie has quit IRC 10:16:44 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: Leanden's joining us 10:17:12 <welshdragon> he's joining The Cause 10:21:55 <Doorslammer> Good good 10:22:14 <Doorslammer> I think hes fed up of constant meddling by uninterested people 10:22:25 <Doorslammer> So we grow stronger 10:23:14 <welshdragon> I've got the Tracking table for the BRSet that he was working on 10:23:51 <Doorslammer> Oh right 10:23:59 <Doorslammer> Is that on Google? 10:24:05 <welshdragon> no 10:24:15 <welshdragon> i'l upload it now 10:24:28 <Doorslammer> Cool 10:27:48 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&p=32#p32 10:27:51 <Webster> Title: NWLUG & UK Bus Set Forums View topic - It's About Time (at freeside.co.uk) 10:29:15 <Doorslammer> Nice 10:29:31 <Doorslammer> Glad he sees us as the progress that's long been needed 10:29:37 <welshdragon> :D 10:32:42 <welshdragon> Incoming Leanden 10:33:02 <Doorslammer> I forgot we had those container flats 10:33:02 <Doorslammer> They look good 10:33:37 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiuIGA3SepQMdGZCRUYxa0FWY1ZyZ0txckR4eTR3U0E&hl=en 10:33:40 <Webster> Title: Welcome to Google Docs (at spreadsheets.google.com) 10:35:06 *** Leanden has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:35:11 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Leanden 10:35:42 <Doorslammer> Evening 10:35:54 <Leanden> i believe there is a conversation in progress with regards to BROS 10:36:06 <Doorslammer> Oh, had an idea on the minimum we have to have completed before first release 10:36:14 <Leanden> 100%? 10:36:16 <Leanden> :P 10:36:30 <Leanden> I would suggest we dont follow the old ways 10:36:39 <Doorslammer> I would like to put forward the suggestion that we must have at least the classes available on UKRS complete as minimum 10:36:52 <Leanden> im good with that 10:37:03 <Leanden> make a poll on the forums 10:37:04 <Doorslammer> Then we can build on that 10:37:27 <Leanden> Is there a tt-forums thread yet? 10:37:30 <Doorslammer> Will do 10:37:33 <Doorslammer> Not yet 10:37:43 <Leanden> May i volunteer to post and update said thread 10:37:48 <Doorslammer> I wanted to wait on news of a subforum first 10:37:53 <Doorslammer> You may do so 10:37:56 <Leanden> subforum? 10:38:03 <Doorslammer> We want it in OpenTTD section though 10:38:03 <Leanden> okie dokie 10:38:06 <Leanden> will make it now :) 10:38:10 <Doorslammer> Yeah 10:38:10 <Doorslammer> It's possible 10:38:19 <Leanden> yea none of that TTDP rubbish 10:38:33 <Leanden> where do you want subforum? 10:38:58 <Leanden> Dya wanna make some sigs for us too 10:39:03 <welshdragon> just link people to the BROS Forums 10:39:07 <Doorslammer> That could appear in OTTD graphics also 10:39:18 <welshdragon> they are viewable by the public :) 10:39:21 <Doorslammer> I will make sigs when my PC is free 10:39:28 <Doorslammer> Been using my laptop this week 10:39:30 <Leanden> okie dokie 10:39:39 <Leanden> another question 10:39:44 <Leanden> what are we gonna say to csuke? 10:39:54 <Leanden> cause all artists have left BR Set now havent they? 10:39:56 <welshdragon> http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28 10:39:59 <Webster> Title: NWLUG & UK Bus Set Forums View topic - PLEASE READ: [Vote] IRC Channel (at freeside.co.uk) 10:40:40 <welshdragon> Webster: the irc channel won't be on Freeside 10:40:50 <Leanden> voted :) 10:40:51 <welshdragon> it'll be on OFTC 10:40:56 <Leanden> OFTC? 10:41:19 <welshdragon> this network 10:41:55 <Ammler> welshdragon: if you will use the devzone, I can send brot6 to the channel, so it would annouce activity on your project only. 10:42:18 <Leanden> In the thread 10:42:23 <Leanden> i will not mention BR Set at all 10:42:24 <Leanden> agreed? 10:42:36 <welshdragon> Ammler: it's up to the community :) 10:42:47 <welshdragon> i'm only hosting forums and posting ideas 10:43:02 <welshdragon> Leanden: yes, don't mention BRSet 10:43:05 <Leanden> what is brot6? 10:43:14 <Leanden> brb 10:43:31 <welshdragon> Brot6 is the devzone's bot 10:44:25 <Doorslammer> http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=29 10:44:27 <Webster> Title: NWLUG & UK Bus Set Forums View topic - Minimum completion (at freeside.co.uk) 10:44:31 <Doorslammer> Oh, and stuff csuke 10:44:59 <Ammler> welshdragon: did you try the devzone board? 10:45:09 <Doorslammer> By the way, did we have a 66 body? 10:45:45 <welshdragon> Ammler: i would have done 10:45:58 <Leanden> we lost the 6 body with ronstar 10:46:01 <Leanden> 66* 10:46:20 <Ammler> hmm, but? 10:46:23 <welshdragon> but as I have access to the server its not a problem 10:46:38 <Doorslammer> I didn't realise R****** did that one 10:46:38 <Doorslammer> 67? 10:46:38 <welshdragon> (it's hosted by my old university :P) 10:47:12 <Ammler> well, it is just another website needing registering... 10:48:02 <Leanden> mmm 10:48:04 <welshdragon> Ammler: how do you mean? 10:48:06 <Leanden> maybe check the Brforums 10:48:51 <Ammler> welshdragon: I don't care, was just wondering, if there is something bad about the devzone board, might be too easy... 10:49:20 <welshdragon> Ammler: it's just that I have shell access if anything goes wrong 10:49:36 <welshdragon> (say the MySQL breaks or something) 10:49:59 <Ammler> afaik, jonty-comp doesn't like the devzone either. 10:50:44 <welshdragon> 67 is Ameecher's Leanden / Doorslammer 10:51:40 <Ammler> I hope, you will make it GPL anyway... 10:51:54 <welshdragon> Ammler: i like the devzone 10:52:03 <welshdragon> and we are using GPL v2 10:52:35 <Doorslammer> Ah yes 10:52:40 <Leanden> ok BROS thread is up in Openttd Graphics 10:52:46 <Doorslammer> So are we safe with the 67? 10:53:24 <Leanden> well technically Ameecher has released all his work 10:53:29 <Leanden> so unless he withdraws it 10:53:35 <Leanden> then yes we are safe with the 67 10:53:43 <Leanden> on reflection we are safe with the 66 too 10:53:51 <Leanden> i think 10:53:54 <Leanden> damn 1 sec 10:54:21 <Ammler> what is NWLUG? 10:54:26 <Doorslammer> lol 10:54:26 <welshdragon> I need to rename my forums then 10:54:29 <Rubidium> north wales LUG 10:54:31 <Doorslammer> Linux 10:54:47 <Ammler> ah a linux ug 10:54:53 <welshdragon> NWLUG = North Wales Linux User Group 10:55:02 <welshdragon> I'm kinda chairing it 10:55:13 <Rubidium> anyhow, when you're not 100% sure something is released under GPL: ask 10:55:15 <Ammler> yeah, just saw it on the forums :-) 10:56:11 <Ammler> yes, if you don't find a statement from the author, this graphics are gpl, it isn't. 10:56:14 <Leanden> ok the 66 is fine too :) 10:56:36 <Leanden> Ameecher released all his stuff on the GPL v2 licence 10:56:38 <Rubidium> either they say yes and you can use it or they say know and you're sure you can't. No danger of people flaming you for including stuff that isn't GPL etc. 10:56:43 <Leanden> and is open to be used as we like 10:57:28 <Rubidium> GPL isn't "use as you like" 10:57:45 <Doorslammer> OK, so who wants access to tracking table? 10:57:52 <Doorslammer> I assume Mark 10:57:59 <Leanden> ive sent my Tracking table to mark already 10:58:01 <Leanden> to pass on to you 10:58:21 <Rubidium> everyone? Like OGFX's tracking table 10:58:41 <Ammler> the "Mark" in this channel might not be the Mark you have in mind. 10:58:54 <Leanden> welshdragon is called mark :p 10:58:58 <welshdragon> :D 10:58:58 <Doorslammer> Oh yes, thats right 10:59:05 <Ammler> ah ok :-) 10:59:10 <Doorslammer> I didnt see that Mark 10:59:17 <Leanden> lol i didnt either till he said it 10:59:20 <welshdragon> i suggest all artists have access to Tracking table 10:59:21 <Leanden> Rubidium 10:59:30 <Leanden> can you explain what GPL allows us to do then? 10:59:35 <Leanden> with other peoples work 10:59:53 <Leanden> im a little hazy on it 11:00:38 <Rubidium> well, it's easier to say what it *doesn't* allow: it doesn't allow you to relicense it (like the zlib license) 11:00:48 <Leanden> lol ok 11:00:55 <Leanden> so we can do anything with it except relicense it 11:00:56 <Rubidium> and it doesn't allow you to release binaries without an offer for the sources 11:01:26 <Leanden> ok but for the purposes of using it as graphics in the set 11:01:29 <Leanden> and editting it 11:01:56 <Rubidium> there're a few other things you can do, like you're not allowed to remove copyright notices (IIRC) 11:02:04 <Rubidium> s/can/cannot/ 11:02:32 <Ammler> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ <-- cc webpage has imo a easy understandable summary of it. 11:02:33 <Webster> Title: Creative Commons GNU General Public License (at creativecommons.org) 11:02:57 <Ammler> (in your prefered language) 11:03:06 <Leanden> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=45149 11:03:08 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [BROS] British Rail Openttd Set (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:03:18 <Leanden> theres the thread 11:03:30 <Ammler> do you guys "merge" the british rail & bus set? 11:03:35 <Leanden> nup 11:03:40 <Ammler> :-) 11:03:46 <Leanden> British Rail set isnt involved here 11:04:17 <Ammler> BROS is brset with clear license, isn't? 11:04:29 <Doorslammer> Yep 11:04:34 <Leanden> BROS is unrelated to Brset as far as im concerned 11:05:53 <welshdragon> BROS is unrelated to the UK Bus Set too 11:05:59 <welshdragon> they are seperate 11:07:28 <Leanden> BROS is a completely new set 11:08:12 <Leanden> anyway 11:08:18 <Leanden> nice to see things moving forward :) 11:08:19 <Doorslammer> And is also a cool name 11:08:27 <Leanden> hopefully it wont take 6 years : 11:08:28 <Leanden> :P 11:08:38 <Doorslammer> BROS is on a comeback! 11:09:02 <Leanden> hehe im gonna upload pics of my Class 373 to the tt-forums 11:09:21 <welshdragon> put it in gaaaame 11:09:28 <welshdragon> looks better then 11:09:39 <Leanden> lol do a mock up? 11:09:50 <welshdragon> make sure the eurostar's peeping out of a tunnel :P 11:09:54 <welshdragon> Leanden: yeah 11:09:55 <Leanden> hehe 11:10:07 <welshdragon> use grfcodec or s/thing 11:10:09 <Leanden> anyone got any tt pics with no trains on 11:10:23 <Leanden> and just rail track 11:10:33 <welshdragon> no 11:10:43 <welshdragon> use one of the grf making tools 11:10:52 <Doorslammer> I tend to just make one at the time 11:10:55 <welshdragon> copy Pikka's eurostar stats 11:11:40 <Leanden> ive never used GRF codec 11:11:44 <Leanden> someone wanna do it for me :p 11:12:16 <welshdragon> lol 11:12:20 <welshdragon> hmm 11:13:03 <welshdragon> good question posed: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=45149&p=818058#p818058 11:13:04 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [BROS] British Rail Openttd Set (at www.tt-forums.net) 11:13:06 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Welcome <-- easy guide for setup newgrf developing environment. 11:13:40 <Ammler> (assuming, you are using windows) 11:18:00 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:18:08 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Webster 11:18:20 <Ammler> @services op 11:18:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:19:22 <Leanden> lol 11:19:33 <Leanden> Which version u trying to install? 11:21:41 <Doorslammer> Ach, I think I have a problem there 11:21:48 <Doorslammer> It's not uploading 11:23:41 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: email it to me 11:23:45 <Doorslammer> OK 11:23:48 <welshdragon> i'll upload it for you 11:24:02 <Doorslammer> Whats the address again? 11:24:39 <welshdragon> mark@welshdragon.headweb.co.uk 11:25:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: UK Bus Set - Feature #555 (Feedback): Scale @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/555#change-1401 (by welshdragon) 11:27:24 <welshdragon> :D 11:28:17 <Doorslammer> Wahey 11:28:38 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: if you create the topic i'll add the picture to it for you 11:28:44 <Doorslammer> File sent 11:28:51 <Doorslammer> I'm up to speed with my uploads now 11:29:02 <Doorslammer> Just have to put up EXT's ones into his section now 11:29:32 <welshdragon> hehe 11:29:42 <welshdragon> I'll prod Alex later 11:30:23 <Doorslammer> Starting thread now 11:32:50 <Doorslammer> http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=33&start=0 11:32:52 <Webster> Title: Welsh Linux Groups and Transport Tycoon Project Forums View topic - Class 150/151/153/155/156 [151 still in progress] (at freeside.co.uk) 11:33:59 <Ammler> welshdragon: imo, you should stick to one homepage, using multiple trackers/forums does confuse the contributors... 11:34:40 <Ammler> (I would close the tracker from the devzone. 11:34:57 <welshdragon> Clise the BR Set one 11:35:02 <welshdragon> *close 11:35:22 <Ammler> shall I delete the whole project? 11:35:34 <Ammler> or might you use it again later? 11:35:43 <welshdragon> Ammler: my forums are only temporary until we get a BROS Subforum 11:35:47 <welshdragon> Ammler: delete it 11:35:50 <welshdragon> it's dead 11:36:40 <Ammler> it's empty anway... 11:36:51 <Ammler> what about the uk bus set? 11:37:37 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ukbusset/settings <-- link to your forum 11:37:53 <Ammler> and disable all modules for now (my proposal) 11:38:18 <welshdragon> Ammler: ok 11:38:28 <Doorslammer> lol, William Hung is on telly 11:38:31 <welshdragon> UK Bus set is my set 11:39:01 <Ammler> welshdragon: but where should contributors post sprites? 11:39:14 <welshdragon> Ammler: anywhere 11:39:17 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2727: (svn r2888) Russian update (#3859) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2727 (by winterheart) 11:39:18 <Ammler> :-) 11:39:22 <welshdragon> tt forums or mine 11:39:30 <welshdragon> i'm not bothered 11:39:42 <Ammler> so not on devzone --> close the tracker for now. 11:39:50 <welshdragon> it is on the devzone 11:40:02 <welshdragon> i am using it to track issues 11:40:30 <Ammler> ok, nvm then, you see, you already confused me :-P 11:41:01 <welshdragon> Ammler: that's because I know what I am doing :D 11:41:10 <welshdragon> and can't explain it easily 11:42:38 <welshdragon> Ammler: the Forums are where artists post work, the Devzone is used as a bridge (by me mainly) to kepe track of what's going on 11:42:43 <Ammler> I am a bit sad about, access control with keys doesn't work for all :'-( 11:43:48 <Ammler> maybe I add push-over-http, but not sure... 11:44:09 <welshdragon> HTTP is insecure 11:44:15 <welshdragon> what about HTTPS? 11:45:49 <Leanden> bye bye BRSet 11:45:52 <Leanden> we hardly knew ye 11:46:05 <Leanden> mostly cause ye werent coded and never made it into game despite 6 years of work 11:46:32 <Doorslammer> lol, work 11:46:39 <Leanden> ok 11:46:43 <Leanden> 6 years of flaffing about 11:46:48 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=33&p=42#p42 11:46:50 <Webster> Title: Welsh Linux Groups and Transport Tycoon Project Forums View topic - Class 150/151/153/155/156 [151 still in progress] (at freeside.co.uk) 11:46:56 <Doorslammer> 6 years of "Um, that sprite looks out of place" 11:47:27 <Leanden> 6 years of "Um, that pixel should be over there by one square" 11:47:37 <welshdragon> 6 years of "there's no shading on that" 11:47:56 <Doorslammer> Cheers welsh 11:48:00 <Doorslammer> Looks good on there 11:48:12 <Rubidium> yeah, ain't vapourware NewGRFs lovely? 11:48:12 <welshdragon> hmm 11:48:19 <Doorslammer> We of course shall have none of that 11:48:25 <Leanden> 6 years of "That pixel drawing doesnt look exactly 100% like the original train despite being 1/100th the size and made of pixels" 11:48:33 <Doorslammer> lol 11:48:43 <Doorslammer> That last one made me lol so much 11:48:43 <Leanden> ok enough of that now :P 11:48:55 <Doorslammer> I couldnt top that anyway 11:48:59 <Leanden> brb 11:49:05 <welshdragon> hehe 11:49:15 <welshdragon> I wonder why Ameecher joined my forums... 11:49:15 <Leanden> lol sorry 11:49:20 <Leanden> didnt mean to outdo you all :p 11:49:27 <Leanden> maybe Ameecher wants to join in 11:49:44 <welshdragon> well, he has his own Artists area 11:50:34 <welshdragon> and if his stuff's under GPL we can stick that on there 11:53:05 <Doorslammer> Might need to move Class 60 to his bit then 11:53:13 <Doorslammer> Thats his bodyshell 11:53:21 <welshdragon> hehe 12:27:08 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:27:20 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 12:28:50 <welshdragon> hello Audigex 12:29:38 <Doorslammer> Mr Gex 12:30:02 <Audigex> afternoon 12:43:03 <Leanden> hey jon 12:43:14 <Audigex> hey 12:43:19 <Doorslammer> Oh god, Deuce Bigalow is on later 12:43:25 <Doorslammer> Sounds terrible 12:43:27 <Leanden> I see youve joined BROS :p 12:43:33 <Doorslammer> The second one 12:44:19 <Audigex> i've joined the forum 12:44:26 <Audigex> so i can keep an eye on how things go 12:44:29 <Ammler> hmm 12:44:32 <Ammler> ups 12:44:35 <Audigex> ups? 12:44:41 <Ammler> :-) 12:44:45 <Ammler> again wrong... 12:50:59 <Audigex> what is? 12:52:24 <Leanden> im confuzzled :P 12:53:18 <Leanden> so audigex ur not going to be drawing for BROS 12:53:20 <Leanden> just watching? 12:55:38 <Audigex> i'm drawing 12:55:46 <Audigex> releasing for BRset under GPL 12:55:55 <Audigex> if bros choose to use it, they're welcome to 12:56:23 <Ammler> why btw will you make the grf for openttd only? 12:56:39 <Ammler> will it have that many vehicels? 12:59:02 <welshdragon> Ammler: look at the tracking table 12:59:22 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Feature #573: global switches -> default switches (new company template) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/573 (by Ammler) 12:59:44 <Leanden> yea its gonna have loadsa vehicles 12:59:52 <Leanden> more than the ttdp pool will allow 13:00:20 <Leanden> fair does audigex 13:01:15 <Audigex> you guys do understand that it's possible to fit the whole set into the TTDP pool, right? 13:01:28 <Audigex> most vehicles in the UK are in "families" 13:01:31 <Leanden> yea but with alot of grouping and condensing 13:01:40 <Audigex> not as much as you'd probably expect 13:01:40 <Leanden> ideally we dont want them in families 13:01:48 <Leanden> because even trains in families have different stats 13:01:52 <Audigex> once you've grouped networkers, turbostars and electrostars 13:02:02 <welshdragon> refits can cover most issued 13:02:02 <Audigex> not between those three they dont 13:02:08 <welshdragon> *issues 13:02:11 <Leanden> mmm 13:02:12 <Audigex> look at the networkers 13:02:19 <Leanden> Personally id keep all classes seperate 13:02:24 <Leanden> rather than coding families together 13:02:37 <Audigex> they're all 100mph, most have the same capacity (or as near as doesn't matter when you're adjusting anyway) 13:02:50 <Audigex> they're virtually all 3 or 4 car 13:02:57 <welshdragon> we can vote on it when we get to a stage of being ready to code 13:03:06 <Doorslammer> It's more just to do something remembered better than DBSetXL 13:03:10 <Doorslammer> Or similar 13:03:26 <welshdragon> let's just draw sprites 13:03:35 <welshdragon> that's all that needs doing 13:03:58 <welshdragon> discussing how we are going to get the products into the game can come later 13:14:15 <Audigex> well, it wouldn't hurt to start coding 13:14:17 <Audigex> it takes a long time 13:14:25 <Audigex> and we already know how stats 13:14:52 <welshdragon> hmm 13:14:59 <Doorslammer> Well, I would like everyone to reference the Wikipedia pages for info 13:15:06 <Doorslammer> They are very detailed now 13:21:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:21:43 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v andythenorth 13:23:02 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 13:25:44 <Audigex> http://brforum.csuke.com/viewtopic.php?t=213 13:25:47 <Webster> Title: csuke.com BRSet :: Log in (at brforum.csuke.com) 13:25:48 <Audigex> y'all might want to read that 13:26:21 <Audigex> ameecher's stuff isn't available to the BROS 13:29:50 <Leanden> damnit 13:33:45 <welshdragon> anybody want to go nuts at him? 13:33:53 <welshdragon> as he's being a stubborn twonk 13:35:49 <Audigex> you wont change his mind 13:35:58 <Audigex> and remember, you're the ones making the breakaway set 13:36:10 <Audigex> so you can't expect everyone else to want to join in 13:36:38 <Audigex> damn you guys are confrontational 13:36:48 <Audigex> every time anything happens, you default to angry 13:36:51 <Audigex> chill the fuck out 13:36:54 <welshdragon> well, not really 13:37:05 <welshdragon> but he called it a load of baloney 13:37:25 <welshdragon> which is actually (imho) the brset. 13:38:15 <Audigex> well from what i could see last i looked, the BROS had 0 content other than a tracking table 13:38:41 <Audigex> my concern for you guys, is that this attitude of rebellion and argument will start again in a few months 13:38:43 <Audigex> between yourselves 13:38:58 <welshdragon> Audigex: check the forums 13:39:05 <welshdragon> we've had a stream of updates 13:40:17 <Audigex> leanden - with the minimum of offence intended 13:40:20 <Audigex> that 373 isn't finished... 13:41:03 <Audigex> also, those KTA container wagons are ameecher's work - they should have been posted there, if at all 13:41:15 <Audigex> not in your own area 13:41:19 <Audigex> with no credits 13:41:32 <Leanden> more than 50% of that work is mine 13:41:39 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:41:54 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v ODM 13:42:04 <Leanden> im not having an object ive put more work into being wasted because someone else is a twonk 13:42:07 <Audigex> it's a derivative work.... 13:42:24 <Audigex> you'll waste everyone's work if you do that 13:42:38 <Audigex> because the set will be removed from bananas, tt-forums and wont go into the openttdcoop grfpack 13:42:55 <Audigex> this is an >>open source<< community 13:43:03 <Audigex> copyright is very important 13:43:49 <Audigex> and you guys really could do with paying attention to the threads in the brforum 13:43:54 <Audigex> and note down any remaining issues 13:43:58 <Audigex> rather than just posting the new sprites 13:44:04 <Leanden> Audigex 13:44:07 <Leanden> understand this 13:44:09 <Leanden> BROS isnt Br Set 13:44:11 <Leanden> it isnt related 13:44:20 <Audigex> understand this - copyright 13:44:28 <welshdragon> Leanden: Audigex is right 13:44:32 <welshdragon> it's copyright 13:44:42 <Audigex> if you guys are going to be trashing copyright, i'm out completely 13:44:44 <Audigex> i just wont draw 13:44:56 <Leanden> fine 13:44:59 <Audigex> you can have what i've already done and i'll fuck off 13:45:10 <Audigex> but like i said, good luck getting distributed 13:45:13 <Leanden> i guess its more work wasted 13:45:23 <Leanden> ive put in more than ameecher to that particular item 13:45:24 <Audigex> yes 13:45:28 <Audigex> its wasted 13:45:36 <Audigex> but you're the one choosing to change the terms that it was original drawn on 13:45:37 <Leanden> and tbh 13:45:42 <Audigex> its still available, but not to the new set 13:45:44 <Leanden> thats abuse of the GPL licence 13:45:46 <Leanden> as i understand 13:45:48 <Audigex> he's perfectly entitled to do that 13:45:52 <Audigex> me? 13:45:59 <Leanden> no ameecher 13:46:05 <Audigex> ameecher never released under the gpl 13:46:07 <Audigex> he never stated that 13:46:19 <Leanden> whatever 13:46:21 <Audigex> i asked if it was gpl, his reply was to say it was for the brset only 13:46:22 <Leanden> just delete all my work then 13:46:25 <Doorslammer> What a fucking cockhead 13:46:30 <Doorslammer> Right, now what? 13:46:36 <welshdragon> Leanden: the topics that are Ameecher's work will be deleted 13:46:46 <Leanden> Delete all my work 13:46:50 <welshdragon> no 13:46:51 <Leanden> its all based on someone elses originally 13:47:05 <Leanden> based on work not released for BROS 13:47:21 <Leanden> ill just have to start from scratch 13:47:42 <Audigex> the 395 and 373 are your own, arent they? 13:47:44 <Leanden> But understand im incredibly pissed off 13:47:50 <Leanden> the 395 is mine 13:47:51 <Leanden> the 373 isnt 13:48:01 <Doorslammer> You can delete Ameecher's account then 13:48:02 <Audigex> leanden - YOU are the ones choosing to change the sets 13:48:08 <Doorslammer> We want him nowhere near us 13:48:08 <Leanden> yes 13:48:10 <Leanden> i am 13:48:15 <Leanden> because im fed up with BR Set 13:48:19 <Audigex> so don't expect everyone else to agree with your decisions 13:48:20 <Doorslammer> I mean his account account 13:48:22 <Leanden> and i want change i cant get at BR Set 13:48:38 <Audigex> but others dont want change 13:48:42 <welshdragon> right, Leanden, i'l remove your work 13:48:48 <Audigex> and they're perfectly entitled to not want to move it 13:49:03 <Leanden> ok 13:49:05 <welshdragon> you are, however on your first warning, as you breached copyright 13:49:18 <Doorslammer> What? Hang on 13:49:26 <Leanden> First Warning!!! 13:49:29 <Audigex> welsh - i dont think he meant to 13:49:32 <Leanden> Appeal 13:49:33 <Audigex> more a misunderstanding 13:49:37 <Leanden> it was not intentional 13:49:40 <welshdragon> ok 13:49:44 <welshdragon> no warning 13:49:46 <Audigex> and leanden - that 373 isn't forbidden from use in the bros 13:49:47 <Doorslammer> We thought that cockhead was GPL 13:49:48 <Leanden> thankyou 13:49:50 <Audigex> you just need to get permission 13:49:52 <Doorslammer> Dave bloody implied it 13:49:56 <Audigex> oh jesus 13:49:58 *** Audigex has left #openttdcoop.devzone 13:50:06 <Leanden> well the person who originally started 373 isnt around anymore 13:50:08 <Doorslammer> Typical 13:50:10 <Leanden> i hate that when people leave 13:50:15 <welshdragon> right 13:50:18 <Leanden> in the middle of convo 13:50:24 <Leanden> anyway 13:50:24 <welshdragon> no more politics 13:50:32 <Leanden> just 1 more matter of politics 13:50:39 <Leanden> as far as im concerned 13:50:46 <Leanden> Ronstar and Ameecher are not welcome at BROS 13:50:54 <Doorslammer> Nor is Dave Worley 13:51:00 <Doorslammer> Or csuke 13:51:05 <Leanden> i agree 13:51:16 <welshdragon> right, how to break that to them... 13:51:28 <Doorslammer> Just dont break it to them until they try to 13:51:28 <welshdragon> (well, gavin particularly(a 13:51:28 <Leanden> If they ask ill tell them 13:51:38 <welshdragon> Leanden: they are my forums 13:51:43 <welshdragon> i'll deal with it 13:51:54 <Leanden> okie dokie :) 13:51:56 <Leanden> you do it then :p 13:52:18 <Leanden> but i wouldnt take that attitude everywhere welshdragon 13:52:24 <Leanden> i thought you werent going to be leader 13:52:29 <Leanden> it was a community thing 13:52:38 <Doorslammer> Well, it is his forum 13:52:43 <Leanden> the "my forums" argument is exactly why we left csuke 13:53:01 <Leanden> fair enough if you want to do it 13:53:28 <Doorslammer> We left csuke because his forums arent public 13:53:40 <Leanden> that was just one of my reasons 13:53:41 <Leanden> but ok 13:53:49 <welshdragon> Leanden: i have the ability to ban him if needed 13:54:00 <Leanden> might i suggest if they register issuing an ip ban 13:54:01 <welshdragon> if it comes from you there might be a fallout 13:54:29 <Leanden> oki 13:54:51 <Leanden> im getting damn stressed over this 13:55:01 <Leanden> so much so that i snapped at my gf and now she has gone offline in a huff too 13:55:23 <Leanden> Why does everyone have to be such wankers about everything and not just get along with each other 13:55:31 <welshdragon> right 13:55:49 <Leanden> right 13:55:52 <Leanden> enough ranting now 13:55:56 <Doorslammer> OL, easy now 13:55:57 <Leanden> im going to go call my gf and apologise 13:55:59 <Doorslammer> Ugh 13:56:03 <Doorslammer> OK I mean 13:56:04 <welshdragon> I'm very cautious about removing Ameecher's account 13:56:11 <Doorslammer> Remove it 13:56:15 <welshdragon> it could cause repercussions 13:56:19 <Doorslammer> It is clear they want nothing to do with us 13:56:24 <Leanden> Ameecher is one man 13:56:30 <Leanden> with nothing to do with the BROS 13:56:40 <Leanden> deleting him will make no difference to BROS 13:56:44 <Doorslammer> He had nothing to do with the other one either 13:56:50 <Leanden> not anymore 13:56:53 <Leanden> in his own words 13:56:56 <Leanden> "he has moved on" 13:57:19 <welshdragon> from drawing 13:57:38 <welshdragon> but have you read what he has posted on his part of BROS? 13:58:09 <welshdragon> http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=34 13:58:11 <Webster> Title: Welsh Linux Groups and Transport Tycoon Project Forums View topic - I'm touched, but I won't be needing this... (at freeside.co.uk) 13:58:24 <welshdragon> he isn't contributing anything meaningful 13:58:52 <welshdragon> but he might be able to help spot errors 13:58:55 <Doorslammer> Fuck him off then 13:59:23 <welshdragon> i can't 14:00:11 <welshdragon> just because he's not contributing pixels doesn't mean that he has to go 14:00:23 <welshdragon> if he starts being nasty i'll ban him 14:01:00 <Leanden> To be perfectly honest 14:01:05 <Leanden> his opinion may be good or not 14:01:12 <Doorslammer> Well, so the Class 60 was a waste of time now 14:01:16 <Leanden> but he is intentionally hindering the progress of the set 14:01:24 <Leanden> and therefore i would rather not have his opinion 14:01:34 <welshdragon> ok 14:01:56 <welshdragon> i'll change his permissions so he can't view the Artists area 14:02:04 <welshdragon> just the General forum 14:02:22 <Leanden> that will do 14:02:27 <Leanden> thankyou 14:02:38 <Doorslammer> Agreed 14:03:56 <welshdragon> and any of his graphics will have to be removed 14:04:05 <welshdragon> (deriative or not) 14:04:13 <Doorslammer> It's ridiculous 14:04:41 <Doorslammer> How on earth do you make pixels the size of a thumbnail any different? 14:05:20 <Leanden> even if they get redrawn 14:05:26 <Leanden> they will look exactly the same 14:06:54 <Doorslammer> I think Worley will be banned from TTF 14:07:03 <Doorslammer> He has some really nasty words there 14:08:23 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25728&p=818095#p818095 14:08:25 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - BR Set [WIP][EXPERIENCED AND NEW ARTISTS WANTED!] (at www.tt-forums.net) 14:09:01 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:09:02 <Doorslammer> Post reported 14:09:06 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 14:09:20 <welshdragon> same 14:12:11 <Audigex> what post? 14:13:39 <Doorslammer> His mindplosion in his head 14:14:02 <welshdragon> Audigex: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=818090#p818090 14:14:05 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - BR Set [WIP][EXPERIENCED AND NEW ARTISTS WANTED!] (at www.tt-forums.net) 14:14:19 <Audigex> kay 14:14:24 <Audigex> as always, no need for the insults 14:14:41 <Audigex> on the other hand, remember "express" permission 14:14:53 <Audigex> make sure it's specifically stated 14:17:06 <Leanden> what a muppet 14:17:20 <Leanden> he just told me hed come help with gameplay on BROS 14:17:22 <Leanden> no point now though 14:18:31 <Doorslammer> ? 14:18:37 <Leanden> nevermind 14:18:49 <Doorslammer> What on earth di that mean though? 14:18:52 <Doorslammer> *did 14:18:59 <Leanden> Its too much to explain 14:19:08 <Audigex> we've got ages 14:19:20 <Doorslammer> Yeah, loads of time free here 14:21:00 <Leanden> ok Dave has said some bad things 14:21:12 <Leanden> but we havent been particularly nice to him either 14:21:19 <Leanden> i suggest we try and make a middle ground and move on 14:21:47 <Leanden> as for Ronstar and Ameecher and Csuke 14:21:55 <Leanden> i dont think a middle ground can be reached 14:22:14 <Leanden> but Dave is willing to help where he can 14:22:19 <Leanden> which is more than i can say for some other people 14:22:21 <welshdragon> We have with Ameecher, as he's got no access to the Graphics forums 14:22:36 <Leanden> true 14:22:41 <Leanden> Slammer 14:22:47 <Doorslammer> Yeah? 14:22:49 <Leanden> may i suggest you put your personal issues aside with Dav 14:22:52 <Leanden> Dave* 14:23:05 <Doorslammer> Do what you have to do 14:23:06 <Leanden> and accept his help 14:23:16 <Leanden> I just want everyone to get along 14:23:19 <Leanden> and stop these damn conflicts 14:23:22 <welshdragon> I'm happy with that 14:23:43 <Audigex> are all these jets from the russian planeset 14:23:50 <Leanden> jets? 14:24:20 <Audigex> my bad, wrong channel :p 14:24:25 <Leanden> lol 14:24:34 <Leanden> well at least thats sorted 14:25:27 <Leanden> audigex 14:25:33 <Leanden> could u remove ur post from the BROS page 14:25:45 <Leanden> we agreed already we would not be mentioning BRSet at all 14:26:01 <Leanden> ill remove you from the team list 14:26:55 <welshdragon> link, Leanden? 14:27:05 <Leanden> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=45149&p=818051#p818051 14:27:07 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [BROS] British Rail Openttd Set (at www.tt-forums.net) 14:28:27 <welshdragon> Leanden: go ahead and remove his name from your first post 14:29:30 <Leanden> have done already 14:30:00 <welshdragon> ok 14:30:02 <welshdragon> :) 14:30:27 <Leanden> :P 14:30:50 <welshdragon> What else is a derivative of Ameecher's work on BROS? 14:31:03 <welshdragon> (i'll have to lock and move the topic, that's all 14:31:04 <welshdragon> ) 14:31:08 <Doorslammer> Well, 60 is gone 14:31:15 <Leanden> and 66 and 67 14:31:15 <Doorslammer> 66 and 67 14:31:25 <Doorslammer> Thats it really 14:31:47 <Leanden> how do we deal with items that audigex is working on 14:31:49 <welshdragon> gone? 14:31:53 <Leanden> but is a derivative of Ameecher 14:31:55 <welshdragon> ok, i'll deal with those topics in a mo 14:32:09 <welshdragon> hmm 14:32:21 <Doorslammer> Delete the threads entirely involved 14:32:42 <welshdragon> start from scratch 14:32:56 <Leanden> im going to remove everything of mine from BRSet 14:33:09 <Leanden> if i cant use it the set im working on actively 14:33:15 <Leanden> then noone can as far as im concerned 14:33:41 <Leanden> welsh 14:33:43 <Leanden> did u remove my 373 14:33:44 <welshdragon> yes? 14:33:47 <Leanden> apparently i can keep that 14:34:01 <welshdragon> no, just the containers 14:34:04 <Leanden> kk 14:34:07 <Leanden> ill upload my 395 14:34:58 <Audigex> back 14:35:00 <Audigex> leanden 14:35:01 <welshdragon> wow 14:35:19 <Audigex> my stuff will continue to be posted on csuke's site 14:35:34 <Audigex> if the bros wants it, someone will need to come and duplicated it onto bros 14:36:18 <Audigex> until the point where i'm the only person left on csuke, in which case we'll see what happens 14:36:24 <welshdragon> Gavin's being really mardy 14:36:38 <welshdragon> i've to remove the topic and forum completely 14:37:17 <Audigex> i can see his point 14:37:25 <Audigex> i'm getting a bit annoyed at you all removing your work 14:37:37 <Audigex> you're not making another set and seeing if you can doing better 14:37:44 <Audigex> you're also removing your stuff from the original 14:38:09 <Audigex> which means that if the bros goes tits up, the brset can't get at the stuff 14:38:11 <welshdragon> i've not removed my work 14:38:16 <Audigex> no, but some have 14:38:33 <welshdragon> and everything for bros must be GPL 14:38:44 <Leanden> ive removed mine 14:39:02 <Doorslammer> Look, BROS is going to be here for the long haul 14:39:05 <Doorslammer> Guaranteed 14:39:24 <Leanden> As for accesing stuff 14:39:28 <Leanden> everything ive made i have a copy of 14:39:31 <Leanden> so thats not a problem 14:40:49 <Audigex> if you remove it and post it on bros 14:40:54 <Leanden> if someone decides they want to take my stuff from BROS and put it in BRset 14:40:57 <Audigex> i'm just going to post it straight back onto brset 14:40:58 <Leanden> then thats up to them 14:41:02 <Audigex> exactly what i was saying 14:41:08 <Audigex> so you're just making un-necessary work 14:41:16 <Leanden> yea i am 14:41:41 <Leanden> its nothing against you audigex 14:41:58 <Audigex> no, but it's pissing annoying 14:42:06 <Audigex> besides which, all this extra admin takes time away from drawing 14:42:26 <welshdragon> Audigex: BROS was created as after 6 years, nothing was ready 14:42:52 <Leanden> Audigex: Ill just remove thigns i cant use in BROS 14:42:59 <Leanden> such as my containers 14:43:27 <welshdragon> the BRSet was seeking 100% completion, and as a result, has ground to a halt 14:44:39 <Leanden> Audigex: Im sorry but you will have to remove the containers you uploaded, since they are based on my drawings 14:45:04 <Audigex> see, this is the point at which i dont see the problem 14:45:06 <Audigex> but, if you wish 14:45:13 <Leanden> As stated 14:45:16 <Leanden> its not personal against you 14:45:19 <welshdragon> as a community there was much friction in the BRSet - personality clashes, as a community led project BROS has the momentum to be ready soon 14:45:43 <Leanden> but i dont see why a set where im not participating shoudl be allowed to use my drawings when a set im involved in cant 14:45:59 <welshdragon> Leanden: just keep it as GPL 14:46:08 <Audigex> hang on a sec 14:46:13 <Audigex> mine were actually based on ameecher's sprites 14:46:14 <Leanden> i cant make it GPL 14:46:22 <Audigex> what did you change? just the colours 14:46:23 <Leanden> im not allowed to license other peoples work 14:46:30 <Audigex> i'll just remove your ones 14:46:34 <Leanden> go for it :) 14:46:36 <Audigex> and re-post my own based on ameechers 14:47:43 <Leanden> Audigex 14:47:52 <Leanden> may i ask why you are so attached to the BRSet 14:47:56 <Leanden> and why you wont join BROS? 14:48:32 <Audigex> because i refuse to get involved with the politics 14:48:41 <Audigex> i'll point out to you when you infringe copyright 14:48:43 <Audigex> but thats it 14:48:56 <Audigex> i'm not moving sets, i'm not joining coups and i'm not messing about 14:48:59 <Leanden> Audigex: can you please remove ur post on the BROS thread too 14:49:58 <welshdragon> Audigex: i'll provide a link in your area to the BRSet forums 14:51:05 <welshdragon> and before anybody else says anything, i respect Audigex's decision to stay with that set. 14:51:52 * Rubidium wonders how staying attached to BRSet can't be seen as a political statement, going for BROS is one too though; there basically isn't any action that is non-political 14:52:33 *** Audi has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:52:43 *** Audigex is now known as Guest2614 14:52:43 *** Audi is now known as audigex 14:52:45 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v audigex 14:52:51 *** audigex is now known as Audigex 14:53:11 <Audigex> sorry, sister turned the router off 14:53:12 <Audigex> i've amended my post, and thats all i could see you say 14:53:34 <Leanden> ll ok 14:54:08 <Leanden> sorry lets reiterate 14:54:16 <Leanden> can you remove any mention of BR set from your post 14:54:47 <Leanden> we intentionally did not mention BR Set 14:54:56 <Audigex> yes, and i intentionally did 14:54:57 <Leanden> as we'd prefer not to be linked to it in any way 14:54:59 <Audigex> people are clearly confused 14:55:01 <Audigex> and it is linked 14:55:05 <Audigex> its the same sodding graphics 14:55:11 <Audigex> and the same people 14:55:14 <Audigex> well, some of 14:55:24 <Leanden> still 14:55:30 <Leanden> Id rather it wasnt mentioned 14:55:39 <Audigex> and i'd rather it was 14:55:41 <Leanden> and i will ask a moderator to remove it if you dont change it 14:55:46 <Audigex> by all means ask 14:56:02 <Audigex> i wont be removing a helpful, non-insulting post 14:56:05 <Leanden> Please respect our choices as we respect yours 14:56:16 <Audigex> people clearly want to know the difference between bros and brset 14:56:28 <Leanden> And the difference has been stated 14:56:45 <Leanden> Your post implies we are part of the brset 14:56:49 <Leanden> and simply a branch of it 14:56:52 <Leanden> which is not the case 14:56:57 *** Guest2614 has quit IRC 14:57:05 <Leanden> it is a new set which happens to use the same graphics 14:57:24 <Audigex> sigh 14:57:25 <Audigex> more politics 14:57:27 <Audigex> i'm out 14:57:29 <Audigex> post deleted 14:57:33 <Leanden> thankyou 14:57:36 *** Audigex has left #openttdcoop.devzone 14:57:56 <Leanden> welsh? 14:58:56 <welshdragon> brb 14:58:57 <Leanden> he started the politics with that post 14:59:01 <Leanden> *sighs* 14:59:14 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: you are accused of copyright infringement 14:59:24 <Leanden> oh? 14:59:32 <welshdragon> http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=27&p=51#p51 14:59:34 <Webster> Title: Welsh Linux Groups and Transport Tycoon Project Forums View topic - Class 08/09/10/11/12/13 [Complete, may need livery check] (at freeside.co.uk) 14:59:42 <welshdragon> brb 14:59:48 <Doorslammer> Fantastic start isnt it? 15:01:08 <Doorslammer> Hang on, I thought he didnt have access there? 15:01:18 <Leanden> so did i 15:01:31 <Leanden> just a quickie 15:01:45 <Doorslammer> Go on 15:01:46 <Leanden> how can something be copyrighted 15:01:49 <Leanden> if it isnt licensed? 15:01:56 <Doorslammer> Aha! 15:01:59 <Doorslammer> Bingo! 15:02:07 <Doorslammer> Good point 15:02:13 <Leanden> i think u can do what you want 15:02:20 <Doorslammer> No doubt someone clever and will find a flaw in that logic 15:02:38 <Doorslammer> But for now, nice work 15:02:52 <Leanden> :) 15:02:55 <Leanden> in which case 15:03:00 <Leanden> i can reupload my containers 15:03:35 <Doorslammer> Works with me 15:03:44 <Doorslammer> Also 15:04:01 <Doorslammer> Audigex says copyright is still present even if you change shape 15:04:09 <Leanden> thats incorrect surely 15:04:15 <Doorslammer> How the heck does that work? That means nothing is original 15:05:33 <Leanden> i dunno 15:05:39 <Leanden> but ur class 70 is nothing like the 67 15:05:43 <planetmaker> [17:01] <Leanden> how can something be copyrighted 15:05:44 <Leanden> and i believe u drew it from scratch? 15:05:45 <planetmaker> [17:01] <Leanden> if it isnt licensed? 15:05:46 <planetmaker> my goodness. EVERYTHING is copyrighted. 15:06:03 <Leanden> mmm 15:06:09 <Leanden> as far as the law is concerned 15:06:10 <Leanden> it isnt 15:06:12 <planetmaker> And you may ONLY use something of other people, if you have express permission. Either personally or granted by a license. 15:06:19 <planetmaker> oh yes. Read your law 15:06:58 <planetmaker> there's no need to put a (c) <whomever> in order to avoid you ripping it off. 15:07:30 <Leanden> TO be honest planetmaker 15:07:39 <Leanden> its a load of political bullshit 15:07:47 <Leanden> ruining good hard work for no good reason 15:07:59 <Leanden> except to be arsy and cuntish 15:10:31 <Leanden> wlel that shut you up 15:11:13 <Leanden> just a quickie 15:11:18 <Leanden> if uve done a complete repaint of a model 15:11:25 <Leanden> so that no original pixels remain 15:11:32 <Leanden> does that not make it 100% your own work? 15:12:26 <Rubidium> depends; if you just made all pixels 1 shade darker *likely* not 15:12:40 <Leanden> a total new livery 15:12:46 <Leanden> or changed shape with new livery 15:13:04 <Rubidium> if you did draw it from scratch without *ever* looking at the original then it would be your own work 15:13:07 <Doorslammer> Well, a lot of the changes we have to do involve completely changing areas 15:13:17 <Rubidium> anything in between in lawyer 'heaven' 15:13:26 <Doorslammer> lol 15:13:34 <Leanden> well then my Class 373 is copyright to the company that owns EUrostar and GNER 15:13:43 <Leanden> since i looked at those trains before i made my livery 15:14:29 <Rubidium> you talked about a repaint of a model, which implies changing *only* colours 15:14:45 <Leanden> put it this way 15:14:47 <Leanden> my Class 373 15:14:51 <Leanden> is no longer the same shape 15:14:56 <Leanden> or the same livery as the original 15:14:56 <Doorslammer> But often they require much more than that on some models 15:14:57 <Rubidium> if I spray a class 373 bright purple the copyright of the design still lays at those to companies 15:15:04 <Leanden> but started off by looking at the original 15:15:07 <Leanden> so is that not my work? 15:15:30 <Doorslammer> For example, it seems Gav had a problem with my 08s coming from Ronstar 15:15:31 <Rubidium> if I spray a class 373 with some sort of (my) art then the copyright of the paint job belongs to me 15:15:46 <Doorslammer> But Ronstar's 08s were so fat and wrong they got reworked 15:15:55 <Leanden> tbh 15:15:58 <Leanden> Its all bullshit 15:16:12 <Leanden> if some people want to be gittish about their work and want to ruin everyone else 15:16:14 <Leanden> then so be it 15:16:29 <Doorslammer> Well, Gav has backed off on those 15:16:33 <Rubidium> so e.g. the World Airline Set's liveries are (in my non-lawyer opinion) covered by the copyright of the person who drew the grayscale image and the person who coloured it 15:16:38 <Doorslammer> So they may stay 15:16:39 <Leanden> as far as im concerned if it isnt licensed then we can use it 15:16:47 <Leanden> but since ur the developers and the people that run the forums 15:16:55 <Leanden> our set will get stricken off if we use it 15:17:04 <Leanden> so were just gonna have to go from scratch 15:17:06 <Doorslammer> We do need clarification 15:17:07 <Rubidium> Leanden: if it isn't licensed you have no right AT ALL doing that 15:17:34 <Leanden> if it isnt licensed 15:17:39 <Leanden> it officially belongs to noone 15:17:47 <Rubidium> Leanden: that is wrong 15:17:47 <Leanden> and anything based on it or otherwise is my own work 15:18:07 <Rubidium> you really need to read up on your Berne convention 15:18:09 <Doorslammer> I guess containers are easy enough to do 15:18:29 <Leanden> why should someone else be able to take credit for my work 15:18:35 <Leanden> and something ive put more work into than the original 15:18:46 <Leanden> Berne convention or otherwise 15:18:52 <Rubidium> Leanden: if you write a diary and don't license it. Am I then allowed to sell it saying it is MINE? 15:18:55 <Leanden> how about some fucking common sense and decency 15:19:23 <Rubidium> Leanden: decency means respect what others make and don't rip it off 15:19:36 <Rubidium> unless... you're one of those file sharers where decency doesn't exist 15:19:53 <Leanden> Ive put alot of time and effort into my work 15:19:58 <Rubidium> common sense also says: you shall not steal 15:20:38 <Leanden> I dont want to have to start from scratch on everything i want to do 15:20:43 <Leanden> just so that if that person leaves 15:20:45 <Leanden> i dont lose my work 15:20:54 <Leanden> Tbh i cant be arsed to argue anymore 15:20:59 <Leanden> this is ridiculous and stupid 15:21:08 <Doorslammer> I guess what happens is that this will happen once 15:21:22 <Doorslammer> Now we are all v2 GPL, we can't remove our stuff for you to use 15:21:31 <Leanden> true 15:21:38 <Doorslammer> I guess we should count ourselves lucky on that part 15:21:43 <Leanden> indede 15:21:55 <Leanden> Im going to say two more things on this topic 15:22:02 <Leanden> and then id rather never hear about it again 15:22:07 <Doorslammer> So let's start our things from scratch, ignore the idiots on the other set and carry on 15:22:16 <Leanden> that was going to be my first point 15:22:24 <Doorslammer> OK, last point then 15:22:25 <Doorslammer> :P 15:22:39 <Leanden> my second point is that BR Set can rot in hell for all i care, and i never wish to hear about them again 15:22:48 <Rubidium> if I do not put a paper on my car saying it is fine for everyone to use it as they wish (or forbid people to do so), are you then allowed to take my car? 15:22:49 <Leanden> dont mention them to me 15:23:14 <Leanden> Rubidium: that was about 10 minutes ago, leave it now eh? 15:24:16 <Rubidium> heh, I needed time to come up with a nice analogue :) 15:24:51 <Doorslammer> It was good though 15:25:04 <Doorslammer> So, I now have to make a new 60 15:25:15 <Leanden> last thing 15:25:18 <Doorslammer> I think I should be lucky it's not the 08 as well 15:25:24 <Leanden> apologies to anyone present or not who i may have insulted 15:26:27 <planetmaker> [17:07] <Leanden> its a load of political bullshit <-- it is not. And if I catch you ripping off other peoples work here, you're banned without notice. 15:27:05 <Leanden> It actually is 15:27:18 <Leanden> if you know anything about what has been happening at Brset 15:27:26 <Doorslammer> But since he's starting again, that needn't matter 15:27:28 <Leanden> and ive already said i wont be using any of the stuff 15:27:30 <Leanden> please keep up 15:28:21 <welshdragon> hmm 15:28:25 <welshdragon> sorry 15:28:59 <welshdragon> I'd have thought my filtering wpuld have stopped Ameecher 15:29:19 <Doorslammer> That's OK 15:29:31 <Doorslammer> I dont think hes goingto pursue, because look at the two 15:29:45 <Doorslammer> One is clearly an 08 and the other is just fat and awful 15:30:03 <Doorslammer> Oh and I believe the roof was completely wrong dimensions too 15:30:32 <welshdragon> hmm 15:30:36 <welshdragon> right 15:30:42 <Leanden> can you guys look at the 373 15:30:48 <Leanden> please tell me if it needs improving 15:30:50 <Leanden> and where 15:30:55 <welshdragon> is all the political sh*t going to stop now? 15:31:11 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 15:31:37 <welshdragon> as if anybody drags politics into this once more, 7 day ban from my forums, as i'm getting fed up with it 15:32:20 <Doorslammer> Is there a link Leanden? 15:36:52 <planetmaker> just to be clear: we also don't tolerate stuff here which does not have a free license. 15:39:25 <Doorslammer> It's OK, found it 15:39:33 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 15:39:56 <Doorslammer> Oh, thought I already posted my thoughts on it 15:40:02 <Doorslammer> I'm all in favour of 373 15:43:02 <welshdragon> right 15:43:08 <welshdragon> Leanden / Doorslammer: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36 15:43:10 <Webster> Title: Welsh Linux Groups and Transport Tycoon Project Forums View topic - Politics. (at freeside.co.uk) 15:43:13 <welshdragon> read it 15:44:19 <Doorslammer> Read and understood 15:44:59 <welshdragon> i'm going to show that to audigex, as he was guilty of it earlier 15:46:02 <Doorslammer> Anyone got the scale standard image? 15:46:37 <welshdragon> planetmaker: feel free to adopt the kick/ban policy on the team members in here :) 15:46:51 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 15:46:58 <welshdragon> (as this is our home for a few days/weeks) 15:47:06 <Doorslammer> lol 15:47:20 <planetmaker> Concerning copyright I'll be at least as strict. 15:47:23 <Ammler> welshdragon: how was the result about own IRC channel ;-) 15:47:42 <welshdragon> i'm not sure yet Ammler: wanting to get rid of us? 15:47:47 <Ammler> no 15:48:16 <Doorslammer> How do you get a channel out of curiousity? 15:48:18 <Ammler> right now, nobody else is talking, so it doesn't matter 15:48:31 <Ammler> Doorslammer: quite easy, just /join #brset 15:48:50 <Doorslammer> :/ 15:48:50 <Ammler> or however you would call it. 15:48:55 <Doorslammer> Oh I see 15:49:04 <Doorslammer> lol, example was bad :P 15:49:07 <Doorslammer> Sorry 15:49:09 <Ammler> the first one is the op there. 15:49:31 <Ammler> and if you register it, you are save from evil take over. 15:49:37 <welshdragon> the first one is responsible for registering the channel there 15:49:44 <Ammler> yes. 15:49:57 <welshdragon> and making sure other members can get ops through chanserv 15:50:10 <Ammler> /msg chanserv help 15:50:23 <Ammler> /msg chanserv register 15:50:29 <welshdragon> tell me, does Brot6 enforce kicks and bans like Dorpsgek? 15:50:29 <Ammler> /msg chanserv access 15:50:38 <Ammler> no 15:50:42 <welshdragon> Doorslammer: i'll register #bros now 15:50:47 <Doorslammer> I'm very green with this IRC still 15:50:48 <Ammler> currently brot6 does only announce. 15:50:51 <welshdragon> Ammler: drat :( 15:51:02 <Ammler> we use Webster for that. 15:51:31 <planetmaker> which basically is the same but 15:51:32 <planetmaker> *bot 15:52:53 <welshdragon> hmm 15:52:54 <Doorslammer> Here's an interesting fact, welsh, did you know the BR Mk1 also had a gold carrying variant, the IVA? 15:53:12 <Doorslammer> I didn't know there was a specific version for gold 15:53:14 <welshdragon> no :P 15:53:19 <Doorslammer> lol 15:53:28 <Doorslammer> That could be very handy in the game 15:53:48 <Doorslammer> Passengers, tourists, mail, goods, gold, diamonds 15:53:55 <Doorslammer> Mk1s will be very busy 15:54:15 <welshdragon> ok my fellow BROS members 15:54:20 <Leanden> back 15:54:24 <Doorslammer> Members of BROS 15:54:24 <welshdragon> #bros is registered 15:54:32 <Leanden> Finished the shape of the 395 15:54:32 <Doorslammer> Wow, that was quick 15:54:38 <Doorslammer> Awesome 15:54:48 <Doorslammer> Did you get my comment on the 373? 15:54:57 <welshdragon> (Ammler: we can have the bots now?) 15:55:21 <Ammler> well, Webster is the #openttdcoop bot 15:55:30 <Ammler> and we won't give admin rights to non-members 15:55:45 <welshdragon> hmm, ok 15:55:53 <Ammler> and brot6 is just used for announcing. 15:56:05 <welshdragon> right.... 15:56:13 <welshdragon> no bot then... 15:56:46 <Ammler> for announcing, I can setup it for other channels too. 15:56:50 <Doorslammer> Make a bot that announces new posts on the forum, welsh :P 15:56:55 <Ammler> just need the rss feed. 15:57:14 <Leanden> can members of Bros have mod rights on the bros channel? 15:57:23 <Ammler> but if you don't use the devzone, it is kinda useless. 15:58:08 <welshdragon> Leanden: not really 15:58:17 <Leanden> how come? 15:58:22 <welshdragon> hang on 15:58:22 <Ammler> well, what for would you need a bot? 15:58:24 <Doorslammer> lol, its only IRC 15:58:27 <Leanden> true 15:58:33 <Leanden> but people can come in and spam or cause trouble 15:58:39 <Leanden> which if Welshdragon isnt here 15:58:41 <Leanden> is a problem 15:58:53 <Ammler> well, welshdragon can make other op too 15:59:05 <Ammler> chanop is also kind of a bot 15:59:22 <Ammler> (used for access rights) 16:06:21 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:06:33 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 16:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. 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Though, yes, the pure white should be present for quite some time. 19:03:01 <DJNekkid> hmm... 19:03:38 <DJNekkid> renum from 24th may, grfcodec from 3th august 19:05:19 <andythenorth> Doorslammer: not to start dramas, but is the blue class 08 definitely definitely yours (just say yes if it is, that's all I need to know) 19:07:06 <Doorslammer> The shape is hugely modified 19:07:20 <Doorslammer> When I mean hugely, I really really mean it 19:07:34 <Doorslammer> The original had the following problems 19:07:49 <Doorslammer> Completely worng roof profile 19:07:52 <Doorslammer> *wrong 19:08:12 <Doorslammer> The actual body was too fat in the diagonals 19:08:26 <Doorslammer> And it got a good reshade into the bargain 19:08:27 <planetmaker> but it is derived work, e.g. you started with the image of another person? 19:08:34 <Doorslammer> So it's far from standard 19:08:45 <Doorslammer> It was a poor graphic 19:09:05 <planetmaker> that's not the question and subject to individual judgement. 19:09:13 <andythenorth> Anyone done a class 20 in blue that's definitely GPL? 19:09:27 <Doorslammer> DanMacK 19:09:45 <andythenorth> Is it in the BR Set original thread? 19:10:06 <Doorslammer> Yes 19:10:24 <Doorslammer> Made in 2008 19:10:44 <Doorslammer> And was originally posted that thread first 19:37:36 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 19:40:06 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 19:40:11 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 19:46:24 <Audigex> andy 19:46:34 <Audigex> firstly, #bros :) 19:46:45 <Audigex> secondly, did danmack ever actually say that c20 was gpl? 20:13:01 <Ammler> danmack has a general license for his work 20:13:05 <andythenorth> I missed that. I was busy 20:13:05 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=45149&p=818238#p818238 20:13:07 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [BROS] British Rail Openttd Set (at www.tt-forums.net) 20:13:12 <andythenorth> Have a look 20:13:32 <Audigex> ammler - fair enough 20:13:34 <andythenorth> Your question above has spoooooooky timing 20:13:35 <Audigex> just wanted to be sure 20:14:05 <Audigex> my question? 20:14:31 <Ammler> you can use his work how you want, just with attribution. 20:14:47 <andythenorth> about DanMack & GPL 20:14:49 <Ammler> but it is still nice, if you ask... :-) 20:17:14 <andythenorth> Anyway, you've got some kind of release now. 20:17:21 <andythenorth> :P 20:17:34 <andythenorth> next you need a repo, and someone to hit you with a clue stick about nfo 20:37:02 *** Audigex has quit IRC 20:41:06 <andythenorth> hmm resounding silence 20:41:09 <andythenorth> I'm off 20:41:11 <andythenorth> good night! 20:41:24 <Chris_Booth> night night 20:41:29 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 20:45:20 *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:45:26 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Frankr 20:54:12 <planetmaker> hm,... 20:54:18 <planetmaker> good night from here, too :-) 20:56:16 <Ammler> nice dreams planetmaker 20:56:26 <planetmaker> to you, too! :-) 20:56:34 <Ammler> :-) 20:59:18 *** DJNekkid has quit IRC 21:07:43 *** Beardie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:07:48 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Beardie 21:12:58 <Beardie> Hey Frankr 21:13:06 <Frankr> beardie? 21:13:11 <Beardie> Hello 21:13:13 <Beardie> l 21:13:15 <Beardie> lol 21:13:31 <Beardie> this might intreset you http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=45155 21:13:33 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Reorganisation of graphics forums (at www.tt-forums.net) 21:13:47 <Beardie> Ammler might be intreseted to 21:14:50 <Beardie> Don't know how it would apply to the WAS 21:16:01 <Frankr> Beardie where r u 21:16:11 <Beardie> Frankr in IRC 21:16:16 <Beardie> :P 21:16:19 <Beardie> :D 21:16:21 <Frankr> i know 21:16:26 <Beardie> lol 21:16:27 <Frankr> where 21:16:29 <Frankr> home 21:16:30 <Beardie> i know you know 21:16:31 <Frankr> ?? 21:16:36 <Beardie> yes at home 21:16:44 <Beardie> in Japan.... 21:16:45 <Beardie> :D 21:17:09 <Beardie> MSN is online but appearing offline and skype isn't on 21:17:21 <Beardie> just was busy for 30 minutes 21:17:28 <Beardie> when i came online 21:17:42 <Beardie> which was 30 minutes ago 21:18:51 <Frankr> ok beardie chat in a bit very busy atm 21:18:56 <Frankr> brain is getting fried 21:22:03 <Beardie> ok Frankr 21:22:52 <Rubidium> at home in Japan... early bird :) 21:24:35 <Rubidium> on the other hand, the sun is already up like an hour over there 21:26:28 <Frankr> :) 21:28:46 <Frankr> right free now beardie 21:29:36 <Beardie> Rubidium: lol, course i was joking. 21:29:40 <Beardie> Hey Frankr 21:29:51 <Frankr> how u been 2day 21:29:55 <Beardie> Frankr logging on skype lol 21:30:00 <Beardie> fine thanks 21:30:03 <Frankr> ok 21:32:41 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:36:24 *** Audigex has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:36:34 <Ammler> thanks Beardie, I answered. 21:36:36 *** openttdcoop sets mode: +v Audigex 21:36:58 <Beardie> no problem Ammler thought you might be intreseted its a big thing 21:37:48 <Ammler> merge is fine, but splitting 32bpp is like trashing those. 21:38:41 <Ammler> well, maybe just my feeling, it looks like nobody really uses it. 21:39:40 <Ammler> never understood how Zephyris can make his graphics in 32bpp and then convert it to 8bpp... 21:40:09 <Ammler> (without using the 32bpp) 21:42:43 <welshdragon> Ammler: do you have the power to add a project to devzone? 21:42:54 <welshdragon> i'd like to request one for BROS 21:43:09 <welshdragon> we have already something in the game 21:43:27 <Ammler> everyone who is manager from a project can add new projects 21:43:44 <welshdragon> ok, i'll make one now 21:44:27 <Ammler> what you might need me for is, if it goes to vcs 21:45:06 <Ammler> if you have someone who does code the set 21:46:10 <Frankr> atm ammler it is goin to be beardie, :) 21:46:32 <Ammler> well, then no work from my side :-) 21:46:48 <Ammler> I would recommend Beardie to use the newgrf framework from planetmaker 21:47:06 <Frankr> indeed, it will be me and beardie again and hopefully djnekkid, he was interested at one time 21:47:32 <Ammler> well, at least a mu is coded in 1min :-) 21:47:50 <Frankr> :) 21:48:13 <Ammler> welshdragon: add those as developers 21:48:38 <Ammler> and at least one of them as manager, too 21:48:58 <welshdragon> i'm adding people now 21:49:14 <Beardie> :) 21:49:24 <Ammler> people, who don't code put contribute are well, contributors :-) 21:49:32 <Ammler> b* 21:50:28 <welshdragon> done and done 21:50:46 <welshdragon> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros 21:51:46 <Ammler> yeah, you have listed the Team twice now ;-) 21:52:11 <Beardie> Audigex not on Devzone? 21:52:12 <Audigex> if anyone is coding, i'd love a GRF of my pendolino 21:52:16 <Audigex> i've got a devzone acct 21:52:35 <Beardie> you need adding by welshdragon on contributor 21:52:39 <Frankr> it will be done at some point 21:52:50 <Audigex> beardie, i wont be putting my content on the devzone 21:52:53 <Frankr> Welsh give beardie Manager status 21:53:02 <Frankr> he knows what he's doin 21:53:14 <Audigex> i'm posting my stuff on the brforum, as i've said 21:53:25 <Beardie> we know 21:53:26 <Audigex> if it turns out that the bros forum becomes active enough to be worthwhile, i'll also post it on there 21:53:27 <welshdragon> anybody else want adding to BROS 21:53:32 <welshdragon> ? 21:53:40 <Audigex> well if i'm not adding it to the forum, i'm certainly not adding it to the devzone 21:53:53 <Audigex> so theres no point adding me 21:53:54 <Audigex> :) 21:54:02 <welshdragon> fair do's 21:54:14 <welshdragon> they are your files 21:54:15 <Audigex> tbh i've lost a lot of motivation to draw with this splitting 21:54:28 <Audigex> you're as welcome to put them on the devzone yourselves as on the forum though 21:54:34 <Ammler> oh, this isn't just rename? 21:54:38 <Audigex> no 21:54:58 <Audigex> the most simple way to describe it is probably as a breakaway group 21:55:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - bros-teaser.grf @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/410/bros-teaser.grf (by welshdragon) 21:55:00 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - bros-teaser.nfo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/411/bros-teaser.nfo (by welshdragon) 21:55:01 <Ammler> well, it isn't my trouble ;-) 21:55:12 <Beardie> Whats in the GRF? 21:55:22 <Audigex> one loco, if i recall correctly 21:55:23 <welshdragon> the class 08 21:55:35 <Rubidium> class 20 or so :) 21:55:35 <Beardie> cool :) 21:55:40 <Audigex> you need to sort out the copyright status of the 08 21:55:41 <Rubidium> with a lovely 1000 hp 21:55:45 <Ammler> Beardie: / Frankr the mercurial repo is initialized. 21:55:49 <Beardie> i mok thanks 21:55:58 <Frankr> ok 21:56:04 * Beardie wonders what i am typing 21:56:24 <welshdragon> Audigex: it states that on TT forums ;) 21:56:31 <Ammler> Beardie: the first thing you should commit is the readme and license ;-) 21:57:16 <Beardie> hg clone? not done it in a while? 21:57:26 <Ammler> yes, 21:57:43 <Beardie> Well not a lcue what to type in msys 21:57:46 <Beardie> clue* 21:57:58 <Ammler> short howto: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Mercurial 21:58:05 <Beardie> ok thanks 21:58:29 <Beardie> whats the project called? 21:58:33 <Ammler> easiest is, if you use ssh also for clone, so you don't need to configure :-) 21:58:38 <Ammler> bros 21:58:38 <Beardie> just 'bros' 21:58:56 <Beardie> <alias> ? 21:59:02 <Ammler> I use the project identifier for the repo, ususally 21:59:08 <Audigex> can anyone here throw together a quick MU sprite for me? 21:59:18 <Audigex> *grf 21:59:20 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Teaser GRF @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/news/13 (by welshdragon) 21:59:25 <Audigex> i really want to see how it looks in game 22:00:19 <Ammler> maybe you use the nmts repo 22:00:59 <Beardie> hg clone ssh://beardie27@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/bros 22:01:01 <welshdragon> Frankr: am i adding you as a developer to BROS? 22:01:03 <Beardie> doesn't work 22:01:13 <Ammler> Beardie: currently user is ottdc 22:01:32 <Ammler> (that might change somewhen....) 22:01:33 <Beardie> Ammler thanks knew something was wrong, tis so long since i did this 22:01:35 <Frankr> ok 22:01:59 <Ammler> Beardie: you do "identify" with the key 22:02:15 <Beardie> bugger 22:02:21 <Beardie> lol 22:02:33 <Frankr> lol 22:02:36 <Ammler> ? 22:03:34 <Beardie> its telling me repository not found 22:04:49 <Beardie> becuase there isn't one 22:04:51 <Beardie> lol 22:05:01 <Beardie> My Key is loaded 22:05:27 <welshdragon> Audigex: which MU? 22:05:51 <Ammler> Beardie: http://pastebin.ca/1567568 22:06:14 <Ammler> Beardie: your commit rights are open for every repo on the devzone. 22:06:16 <Audigex> welsh - my pendolino 22:06:28 <welshdragon> ooh 22:06:28 <Audigex> i've spent absolutely ages on it, but i've no idea if it suits the style of the game 22:06:32 <Beardie> do i need a alias at the end? 22:06:34 <Audigex> and i really want to see how it looks 22:06:35 <Ammler> same for Frankr and every other dev here. 22:06:40 <welshdragon> <3 Pendolinos 22:06:52 <Audigex> me too, but i've not idea if mine will look shite 22:07:01 <Ammler> Beardie: you need a alias, if you like to call it something else. 22:07:05 <Audigex> it looks kinda cool as a sprite, but whether that'll translate into game, I dont kno 22:07:06 <Audigex> *know 22:07:16 <Audigex> so if anyone can throw it together into a vague grf 22:07:22 <Beardie> Ammler its not working and i can't read German 22:07:30 <Ammler> ah 22:07:35 <Beardie> lol 22:07:42 <Audigex> top speed 140mph, 80people per car, quite high horsepower 22:07:42 <Ammler> it doesn't matter 22:07:48 <Audigex> i'll love them forever 22:07:49 <Beardie> this is what i am typing into the msys: 22:07:56 <Ammler> hg clone ssh://ottdc@openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/bros 22:07:57 <Frankr> is it BROS or British blah 22:08:35 <Beardie> hg clone ssh//ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/bros 22:08:36 <Beardie> and or 22:08:41 <Beardie> hg clone ssh//ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/bros beardie27 22:08:47 <welshdragon> Audigex: i'd wait for this lot to calm down 22:08:51 <welshdragon> then ask 22:09:06 <Audigex> i dont even know who can do it 22:09:13 <Audigex> maybe if i bribe ammler 22:09:16 <welshdragon> Beardie: 22:09:21 <Ammler> Beardie: can you paste the output of that? 22:09:22 <Frankr> mine says the server host key is not cached in the registry 22:09:37 <Ammler> ? 22:09:44 <Frankr> is that wat u get beardie? 22:09:48 <Beardie> nope 22:09:49 <Ammler> Frankr: can you push to was? 22:09:56 <Frankr> yh fine 22:10:02 <Frankr> it is just a warning ammler 22:10:11 <Frankr> do you trust blah 22:10:23 <Ammler> ah, if you use another host 22:10:29 <Ammler> like without mz. 22:11:04 <Ammler> Beardie: it doesn't make sense to use your nick as alias. 22:11:13 <Ammler> alias for the project is meant. 22:11:18 <Beardie> nick? 22:11:23 <Ammler> but mostly you don't need one. 22:11:27 <Chris_Booth> Beardie 27 22:11:31 <Beardie> i don't know my alias if i need one 22:12:16 <Chris_Booth> night all 22:12:21 <Ammler> maybe you rather check that: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Using_TortoiseHg_%28Windows%29 22:12:30 <Beardie> thanks ok Chris_Booth got something differnt on my screen 22:12:33 <Ammler> nightly Chris_Booth 22:12:52 <Beardie> night 22:13:24 <Beardie> This is doing my head in 22:13:44 <Chris_Booth> beardie then give it a rest for today 22:13:53 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 22:13:54 <Beardie> lol 22:13:57 <welshdragon> lol 22:14:24 <Ammler> Beardie: paste something... 22:14:43 <Beardie> can;t really this chat is on lappy and repo is on comp 22:14:57 <Beardie> one sec thank previous link might help, let me try.. 22:16:15 <Ammler> do you use tortoise or cmdline? 22:16:30 <Frankr> tortoise 22:16:34 <Beardie> ts wokring now :S 22:16:53 <Ammler> then I am sorry :-) 22:17:11 <Frankr> lol 22:17:17 <Beardie> cmdline 22:17:18 <Ammler> well, you guys should now know about our Guide btw. 22:17:21 <Frankr> do i need an alias 22:17:22 <Beardie> its working now :D 22:17:41 <Ammler> it is statically linked from the top-left menu 22:17:44 <Ammler> "Guide" 22:17:51 <Beardie> Ammler 22:18:06 <Beardie> i accidently cloned the bros repo to a folder called beardie27 22:18:15 <Beardie> how can i remove this and create it on a folder called bros 22:18:27 <Ammler> if the folder doesn't exist 22:18:33 <Ammler> just clone without alias 22:18:55 <Ammler> and I don't need to explain you, how to remove a directory, do I? 22:19:00 <Beardie> no sorted it now :D 22:19:05 <Beardie> no 22:19:08 <Beardie> i see what i did 22:19:12 <Ammler> :-) 22:19:14 <Beardie> i created the folder first 22:19:19 <Beardie> then tried to clone 22:19:25 <Beardie> but when clining it makes a folder 22:19:34 <Beardie> and since a folder of the same name exsisted 22:19:38 <Beardie> then it buggered up LOl 22:20:02 <Beardie> brb 22:20:04 <Beardie> sorry 22:20:07 <Beardie> lol 22:20:09 <Beardie> wrong thing 22:20:19 <Beardie> btw whats the ukbus sets rpo name? 22:20:26 <Beardie> repo* 22:20:37 <Ammler> afaik none 22:20:50 <Ammler> oh, it has one: ukbusset 22:21:07 <Beardie> ok cool thanks 22:21:09 <Ammler> Beardie: as said, it should be the project identifier 22:21:20 <Beardie> o ok :) 22:21:26 <Beardie> just checking :0 22:21:28 <Ammler> same as you have in the url 22:21:33 <Ammler> for devzone 22:22:55 <Beardie> is it normal to have the license file called 'COPYING' 22:23:21 <Beardie> becuase yorick named our GPL license file that for some reason 22:24:38 <Frankr> wat a stupid mistake 22:25:10 <Frankr> i could find the problem in this ssh//ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/bros 22:25:22 <Frankr> which was really frustrating 22:25:24 <Beardie> ssh:// by any chance? 22:25:52 <Frankr> indeed 22:25:57 <Frankr> took me ages to see it 22:26:13 <Frankr> and it is sorted 22:26:27 <Beardie> welshdragon? 22:26:40 <welshdragon> mmm? 22:27:21 <Beardie> Class 158 22:27:29 <Beardie> Ghostly Nothern rail livery? 22:27:35 <Beardie> don't think so LOL 22:27:41 <welshdragon> hmm 22:27:43 <Beardie> Never exsisted 22:27:48 <Beardie> may i ask where you live? 22:27:56 <Beardie> guessing wales? 22:27:57 <welshdragon> i lived near Leeds 22:28:06 <welshdragon> well, Harrogate 22:28:06 <Beardie> Class 156s carried the livery 22:28:12 <welshdragon> aah 22:28:20 <Beardie> of Ghost White :D 22:28:30 <Beardie> see i would consider myself a Northern Rail expert 22:28:41 <Beardie> i live in Central Lancashire sout of Preston 22:28:48 <Beardie> and i do alot of train photography 22:28:59 <welshdragon> lol 22:29:06 <Beardie> Northern Rail is the most common thing i see 22:29:14 <Beardie> i know the units very well 22:29:29 <Beardie> but we are missing a 3 car Northern Rail Class 158 22:29:44 <Beardie> btw thanks for sorting out all the liveries on to your forum :D 22:29:58 <Beardie> thought i actually don;t have any in my section LOL 22:30:07 <welshdragon> there is the one that has funny shading that does \_ 22:30:23 <welshdragon> it's a purple band and white... 22:30:30 <welshdragon> or is that a 156? 22:30:33 <Beardie> 156 22:30:53 <Beardie> only Class 156s carried Ghost White and the opposite purples to the current livery 22:31:25 <Beardie> Check here http://members.madasafish.com/~dysgraphyk/156/class156nt.htm 22:31:29 <Webster> Title: 156 - Northern Rail (at members.madasafish.com) 22:32:13 <Ammler> [00:23] <Beardie> is it normal to have the license file called 'COPYING' <-- that is very common for GPL license text file 22:32:30 <Beardie> ok i'll keep it that way then :) 22:32:37 <Ammler> because you care about copy your project 22:32:47 <Ammler> but you could also use license.txt 22:33:09 <Ammler> (what the framework from pm does. 22:33:47 <Ammler> I guess, in bananas, both works... 22:33:51 <Beardie> well i think i will keep it at COPYING 22:33:55 <Beardie> :) 22:34:05 <Beardie> i am just copying the license we have for WAS 22:34:14 <Beardie> guessing its the basic GPL license yes? 22:34:23 <Ammler> yes, I assume 22:34:31 <Frankr> wait 22:34:44 <Frankr> Audigex said Version 2 only 22:34:50 <Frankr> we use version 3 22:35:28 <Beardie> humm 22:35:30 <Beardie> hummmmmmm 22:35:34 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository 22:36:29 <Beardie> Where can i get Version 2 from? 22:36:33 <Ammler> the set with mu template usage: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nmts/repository 22:36:44 <Ammler> Beardie: opengfx 22:37:05 <Ammler> or from the link I just pasted 22:37:27 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/entry/docs/license.txt 22:37:49 <Ammler> Beardie: I highly recommend using the makefile framework 22:38:08 <Beardie> welshdragonwe will be Ammler 22:38:09 <Frankr> we will 22:38:09 <Ammler> just copy the whole to your project 22:38:27 <Beardie> sorry miss type then 22:38:39 <Frankr> ammler 22:38:41 <Ammler> ? 22:38:48 <Frankr> wat is it's name 22:38:48 <Beardie> Frankr is getting the Make files i will sort the license 22:38:52 <Frankr> project name 22:39:01 <Frankr> i'll download the repo 22:39:14 <Ammler> Frankr: don't download the repo 22:39:19 <Ammler> just the last snapshot 22:39:57 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/newgrf_makefile/ <-- link zip 22:40:16 <Frankr> k ty 22:40:56 <Ammler> Audigex: with the template from djn, it is done in no time. 22:41:14 <Audigex> i have disagreements with GRF programs 22:41:28 <Audigex> i've just given up, i'm sure there's a reason i'm not meant to do it 22:41:41 <Audigex> pcx files come out wierd, grf makers/codecs/programs fal out with me 22:41:45 <Audigex> *fall 22:42:08 <Audigex> i'm sticking to making pngs and asking people to do it for me :) 22:42:10 <Beardie> well then you don't have to code then :) 22:42:12 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/entry/templates/template-mu.pcx?format=raw <-- use that template 22:42:22 <Audigex> how do you open pcx? 22:42:46 <Ammler> which graphic app do you use? 22:43:05 <Ammler> well, I recommend gimp 22:43:14 <Audigex> i use paint 22:43:30 <Audigex> oh jesus, my hard drive is actually dying 22:43:33 <Audigex> head damage 22:43:39 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 0: Added GPL Version 2 License @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/0 (by Beardie27) 22:44:25 <welshdragon> woo! 22:44:34 <Frankr> Ammler the makefile is a mess for me, lol 22:44:42 <Ammler> :-) 22:44:46 <Beardie> :D 22:44:50 <Beardie> I did that! 22:44:57 <Ammler> then wait for planetmaker and djn to help you there. 22:45:27 <Frankr> at least Yorick made it ordered 22:45:32 <Frankr> not just one mess 22:45:40 <Ammler> :-o 22:45:54 <welshdragon> hmm 22:45:55 <Ammler> yoricks Makefile isn't readable at all. 22:46:25 <Ammler> but well, why not using it for this set then? 22:46:26 <Frankr> more readble than all on one line 22:46:59 <Ammler> you need to work with, if you like yoricks makefile more, use it. 22:47:26 <Frankr> well if planetmakers wasn't all on one line 22:47:27 <Audigex> should the sprite start facing up, or down? 22:47:34 <Ammler> I just need "make bundle_zip", the rest I don't care ;-) 22:47:34 <Frankr> i may be able to understand it 22:48:01 <Ammler> Frankr: then you have a linefeed problem 22:48:18 <Ammler> what ugly texteditor do you use? 22:48:26 <Frankr> notepad 22:48:30 <Ammler> lol 22:48:35 <Ammler> I see :-) 22:48:37 <welshdragon> Beardie: fancy getting some of the stuff that's finished coded? :P 22:48:49 <welshdragon> or does your head hurt... 22:48:50 <Frankr> i know ppl have suggested notepad++ 22:49:05 <Ammler> well, everything other then notepad is fine. 22:49:18 <Ammler> maybe even word might be better 22:49:22 <Frankr> lol 22:49:35 <Beardie> welshdragon well class 37 seesm doable but it may take a day or two 22:49:41 <welshdragon> heh 22:49:47 <Frankr> indeed ammler 22:49:55 <welshdragon> what about the 1st gen DMU's? 22:50:11 <Beardie> well teh 37 seems easier for someone how can onlu code planes 22:50:17 <welshdragon> lol 22:50:28 <Beardie> not to sure how the second car stuff works 22:50:45 <welshdragon> hmm 22:50:48 <Beardie> course i can cod ea plane to appear at different speeds at differnt heights with differnt graphics, course that is no hlpe LOL 22:50:51 <Frankr> ammler wat do you use? 22:50:56 <welshdragon> can I commit an NFO? 22:51:07 <welshdragon> (there's that 08 NFO) 22:51:11 <Beardie> welshdragon sure, if you want we can move open to #bros 22:51:12 <Ammler> Frankr: linux 22:51:18 <Frankr> lol 22:51:20 <Beardie> over* = open 22:51:23 <Frankr> no added program 22:51:25 <Ammler> but on windows, I used metapad 22:51:35 <Frankr> is it easy to use? 22:51:40 <Ammler> I did natively replace notepad. 22:52:09 <Ammler> Frankr: it is the same simple editor 22:52:22 <Frankr> i'll sort it out 2morro thn 22:52:33 <Frankr> cba tonight 22:52:38 <Frankr> oh shit, sorry 22:52:48 <Frankr> tomorrow* 22:52:53 <Frankr> and can't be arsed 22:53:00 <Frankr> lol 22:53:18 <welshdragon> Ammler: any tutorials for OSX? 22:53:26 * welshdragon is goingto set it up now 22:53:35 <Frankr> i'll just push it all as it is 22:53:53 <Audigex> okay, pcx file filled 22:53:55 <Ammler> Audigex: uploaded png version 22:53:59 <Ammler> oh :-o 22:54:04 <Audigex> well, i say filled 22:54:21 <Audigex> i put the first two rows of 8 views (red+white lights) in 22:54:24 <Ammler> well, that looks like you are able to handle pcx now. 22:54:26 <Audigex> and half a row of carriages 22:54:30 <Audigex> i had a crack with GIMP 22:54:32 <Audigex> no idea if it's right 22:54:42 <Audigex> just opened it and copy-pasted from paint 22:54:49 <Ammler> just use the right pallete 22:54:57 <Audigex> as far as i know it's right 22:55:05 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/documents 22:55:06 <Audigex> nicked it from sprites others were using 22:55:09 <Frankr> GIMP is so much better than paint 22:55:23 <Ammler> Frankr: not compareable... 22:55:25 <Frankr> I can't believe Ext still use Ms Paint 22:55:36 <Ammler> well, you used notepad 22:55:45 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - template-mu-2.png @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/412/template-mu-2.png (by Ammler) 22:55:47 <Ammler> or still do :-P 22:55:52 <Frankr> lol, i've only been coding a few months 22:56:02 <Frankr> ext has been painting for years 22:56:12 <Ammler> Purno does also use paint, afaik. 22:56:36 <Ammler> it isn't the tool, which makes the nice graphics. 22:56:40 <Frankr> i thought abreviations weren't allowed, :) 22:56:45 <Audigex> can't open it from GIMP directly 22:57:02 <Ammler> Frankr: afaik isn't :-P 22:57:08 <Audigex> frankr - paint can produce just as nice graphics as gimp 22:57:11 <Audigex> or anything else 22:57:14 <Audigex> it's all just pixels :) 22:57:16 <Frankr> It is the painter i know 22:57:32 <Frankr> Afaik is an abreviation 22:57:41 <Audigex> ammler, how do i import the pallate? 22:57:42 <Frankr> As far as i know 22:57:49 <Audigex> afaik it's not an abbreviation 22:57:53 <Ammler> Audigex: but also gimp can just make pixel 22:58:16 <Audigex> i prefer paint for one simple reason 22:58:18 <Audigex> the thumbnail 22:58:23 <Audigex> photoshop, gimp, paint shop pro 22:58:28 <Audigex> none of them, so far as i can see, match it 22:58:39 <Audigex> i just want to zoom in, but see the original at exactly 100% 22:58:44 <Audigex> which moves around as i move around 22:59:04 <Ammler> well, I am not a advanced gimp user. 23:00:15 <Beardie> paint shop pro is fine for me 23:00:15 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=817412#p817412 <-- which row is which view. 23:00:17 <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - 2cc TrainSet - The Trains of the world in 2cc. - Now: 1.0.1 (at www.tt-forums.net) 23:00:32 <Beardie> i can go to 100% zoom level and zoom right in if i need to :) 23:01:06 <Audigex> beardie - can you see 100% and zoomed in at the same time? 23:02:01 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/entry/templates/template-mu.nfo <-- the code for the template 23:02:07 <Frankr> yh 23:02:36 <Ammler> OMG 23:02:42 <Frankr> Audigex i use Paint Shop Pro though 23:02:46 <Ammler> I liked to sleep 2 hours ago 23:03:14 <Frankr> not sure with GIMP but i'm sure there will something 23:03:32 <Audigex> :( 23:03:38 <Audigex> i'll just make a png 23:03:44 <Audigex> and hope that someone can do the rest if they have time 23:04:31 <Frankr> Beardie 23:04:44 <Frankr> Think if there is pure white errors 23:04:49 <Frankr> there will be loads 23:05:58 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 1: Basic 00Header NFO Created @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/1 (by Beardie27) 23:06:29 <Beardie> no true all liveries are on one sheet makes life easier :D 23:06:55 <Beardie> not* 23:08:33 <Beardie> welshdragon will be pleased 23:08:41 <Beardie> Class 37s png and pcxs added D: 23:08:43 <Beardie> :D 23:08:46 <welshdragon> :o 23:08:49 <welshdragon> :D 23:08:55 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 2: Added Class 37 Png and Pcx Files @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/2 (by Beardie27) 23:08:58 <Beardie> there 23:09:09 <Beardie> need a Class 37 nfo though lol 23:09:12 <welshdragon> hmm 23:09:13 <Frankr> Audigex 23:09:18 <Audigex> yup? 23:09:20 <welshdragon> I have lost Mercurial 23:09:33 <Frankr> You could always use the create new view in GIMP 23:09:45 <Frankr> and leave that zoomed out 23:10:23 <Audigex> frankr - but it doesnt pan with the zoom 23:10:31 <Audigex> if i zoom in and pan, the new view stays upt 23:10:32 <Audigex> http://jonathanstory.com/spritesheet.png 23:10:43 <Frankr> yh 23:11:07 <Audigex> if anyone can turn that into a grf, 140mph, decent horsepower to get 10 cars to 140mph in a reasonable number of tiles, 80 people per car 23:11:09 <Frankr> just trying to help out that's all, i rarely use GIMP 23:11:16 <Audigex> i'll have their babies 23:11:33 <Frankr> that isn't incentive Audigex 23:11:39 <Frankr> lol 23:12:09 <Audigex> well, i'll also not have their babies 23:12:11 <Audigex> if they'd prefer 23:12:21 <Audigex> http://jonathanstory.com/template-mu.pcx 23:12:27 <Audigex> thats an attempt at a pcx, no idea if it'll work 23:13:14 <Audigex> anyway, back to my A3 23:14:53 <Frankr> right well i'm pushing the newgrf stuff 23:15:12 <Audigex> pushing? 23:20:39 <welshdragon> hmm 23:20:56 <Frankr> into the repo 23:22:13 <Beardie> making that pcx now audigex 23:22:18 <Beardie> how do you want it? 23:22:30 <Beardie> how shall i send it to u? 23:22:32 <Audigex> erm 23:22:35 <Audigex> however tastes best? 23:22:38 <Audigex> i have no clue 23:22:42 <Audigex> ah 23:22:46 <Audigex> dcc? 23:22:51 <Audigex> should work on this client, maybe 23:22:53 <Audigex> if not, msn? 23:23:03 <Beardie> you added on my MSN? 23:23:12 <Beardie> nope 23:23:13 <Audigex> no idea 23:23:16 <Beardie> add me 23:23:17 <Audigex> if not, i can add it :) 23:23:25 <Beardie> beardie27@googlemail.com 23:23:26 <Audigex> addr? 23:23:32 <Beardie> there lol 23:23:33 <Audigex> ffs stop answering before i ask!" 23:23:37 <Beardie> rofl 23:23:57 <Beardie> i can read your mind.. 23:24:00 <welshdragon> what's the hg repo url? 23:24:07 * welshdragon is about to copy it 23:24:10 <welshdragon> ... 23:24:31 <Audigex> it's doing strange things 23:24:34 <Audigex> audigex@gmail.com 23:24:37 <Audigex> just add me :) 23:24:49 <Audigex> its saying i have to invite you 23:25:00 <Beardie> done 23:25:06 <Beardie> its sorted on my end? 23:26:47 <welshdragon> Ammler / Beardie: what's the HG username/password? 23:27:03 * welshdragon is getting somewhere 23:27:07 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 3: Added newgrf platform @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/3 (by Frank) 23:28:15 <Beardie> sorry welshdragon i don't know 23:28:23 <welshdragon> hmm, ok :) 23:28:33 <Beardie> i might now just not understanding what you want lol 23:28:49 <welshdragon> what did you put in to get access to the ftp? 23:28:56 <welshdragon> (another way around it) 23:29:05 <Beardie> well first 23:29:12 <Audigex> the username might have @domain.com on the end 23:29:16 <Audigex> that often throws people with ftp 23:29:22 <Beardie> cd "/c/documents and settings/...." you need a file directory 23:29:31 <Audigex> especially if they're using ftp on someone else's site and are used to their own 23:29:39 <welshdragon> i have a file directory 23:29:43 <welshdragon> that's set up 23:29:44 <Beardie> ok 23:30:28 <Beardie> hg clone ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/bros <name of folder you want probably 'bros'> 23:30:37 <Beardie> i think thats it 23:31:16 <Frankr> if you use mingw 23:31:17 <Audigex> okay, anyone willing to convert a pcx into a grf for me? 23:31:40 <Frankr> if you use tortoise 23:31:56 <welshdragon> ii'm using mercurial 23:33:07 <Beardie> Command Prompt Then 23:33:11 <Beardie> did it work what i told you? 23:33:43 <welshdragon> it's removing the / 23:33:54 <welshdragon> but i'm asking Sacro 23:34:02 <welshdragon> who uses the same OS as me :) 23:34:25 <Frankr> best do 23:34:29 <Frankr> we use windows 23:34:31 <Beardie> indeed 23:34:32 <Frankr> not OSX 23:37:21 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 4: Added basic 01strings nfo @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/4 (by Beardie27) 23:38:52 <Beardie> welshdragon maybe you can get some of these fisl for the ukbusset 23:39:06 <welshdragon> yeah 23:39:06 <Beardie> i could code a single bus aswell they are really easy to make :D 23:39:10 <welshdragon> :D 23:39:35 <Beardie> course give me some time and lets get the bros up and going a bit 23:39:46 <Beardie> and i am still working on WAS 23:40:06 <Frankr> rarely 23:40:10 <Frankr> lol 23:40:27 <Beardie> quiet you! 23:42:09 <Beardie> i need to work on the Optare Solo 23:42:24 <welshdragon> :D :D 23:42:34 <Beardie> the number 16 bus that runs into out estate is a Optare Solo, i keep seeing one, its annoying me LOL 23:42:39 <Beardie> our* 23:42:42 <welshdragon> LOL 23:43:02 <Beardie> THere is about 4 Optare Solos Stagecoahes working this area 23:43:11 <Beardie> Number 10, 11, 16 and i think another 23:43:38 <welshdragon> we need a dennis dart 23:43:47 <welshdragon> then that will annoy me 23:44:59 <welshdragon> right 23:45:04 <welshdragon> project for me tomorrow 23:45:24 <welshdragon> set up TortoiseHG on my PC 23:46:41 <Beardie> :D 23:50:20 <Frankr> you not got it? 23:51:47 <Beardie> welshdragon you going to like the next push i have just done :D 23:51:48 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 5: Added Basic Class 37 NFO, Needs Completing @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/5 (by Beardie27) 23:52:08 <welshdragon> :O 23:52:10 <welshdragon> :D 23:52:13 <Beardie> its basic 23:52:15 <Beardie> no co-ords 23:52:18 <Beardie> info is wrong 23:52:22 <Beardie> but its a start LOL 23:52:38 <Beardie> i'll sort co-ords out tomorrow maybe lol 23:53:07 <Beardie> course i am guessing, you can code welshdragon? 23:53:19 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: British Rail OpenTTD Set - Support #574: TortoiseHG @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/574 (by welshdragon) 23:53:20 <welshdragon> nope :P 23:53:28 <welshdragon> i'm going to learn :D 23:53:33 <Beardie> andythenorth can 23:53:48 <Beardie> need someone esle helping thats all lol 23:53:51 <welshdragon> lol 23:54:12 <Frankr> WAS is a massive project as it is 23:54:29 <welshdragon> ext was saying that he thinks that the WAS should be finished first, then BROS, then UKBS 23:54:36 <Beardie> indeed 23:54:42 <Beardie> in the Alpha department 23:54:47 <welshdragon> i say why not finish them all at the same time? 23:54:48 <Beardie> i am guessing? 23:54:51 <Beardie> rofl 23:55:23 <Beardie> well with WAS we are working towards a a Alpha which will have over 250 different planes in (variations in livery not model) 23:55:59 <welshdragon> lol 23:56:03 <Beardie> once we get a WAS alpha out 23:56:08 <Beardie> we can put it on hold a bit 23:56:16 <welshdragon> I've got one of the WAS GRF's 23:56:22 <Frankr> WAs hopefully will be out before the end of Sept 23:56:23 <welshdragon> was playing on it earlier 23:56:27 <Beardie> :) 23:56:27 <Frankr> Which one 23:56:33 <Frankr> revision wise 23:56:36 <welshdragon> hmm 23:56:36 <Beardie> There are too many :P 23:56:43 <welshdragon> probably latest 23:56:52 <Beardie> once we have a Alpha it will be generic 23:57:08 <Beardie> in a snese that everyone will have the alpha 23:58:14 <Beardie> ok well welshdragon some basic files have been created and are in the repo :) 23:58:19 <welshdragon> ok 23:58:26 <welshdragon> thanks Beardie 23:58:31 <Beardie> i think this is the furthest the br set/bros has ever been in 6 years! 23:58:47 <Beardie> i kinda feel proud to be part of it :) 23:58:59 <Beardie> no problem :D