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00:36:04 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 00:59:37 *** KenjiE20|LT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:00:30 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:37:20 *** Ammler has quit IRC 01:37:20 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 01:38:42 *** Ammler has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 01:38:42 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 02:11:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2961: Add a second action menu to IssuesController#show. (#4331) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2961 (by edavis10) 02:11:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2962: Fixed: News from a project with 'news' module disabled, are still diplay... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2962 (by jplang) 02:11:28 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Redmine - Revision 2963: Do not notify users that are no longer allowed to view an issue (#3589, ... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/redmine/repository/revisions/2963 (by jplang) 02:33:41 <Brot6> Backup done! (Usage: 107M) 02:46:17 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 03:47:33 *** KenjiE20|LT has quit IRC 06:36:38 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 239: Feature: Swedish description of this set (Thanks to Zuu) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/239 (by planetmaker) 07:04:10 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 08:00:08 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 10:01:08 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #663 (New): Animated palette colours in Arctic church @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/663 (by zephyris) 10:08:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #664 (New): Corrupted palette in temperate church @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/664 (by zephyris) 10:08:53 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Bug #664: Corrupted palette in temperate church @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/664#change-1700 (by zephyris) 11:13:23 *** ODM has quit IRC 12:12:16 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:50:39 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:11:02 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 15:02:14 *** Mark_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:28:14 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 15:28:29 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:34:37 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 15:41:05 *** Mark_ is now known as Mark 15:42:01 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:00:28 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:02:44 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 17:04:20 *** markj0nes is now known as welshdragon 17:18:02 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: nightly compile not needed. 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(r584) 17:51:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14223: Merge: trunk up to r18391. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14223 (by Hirundo) 17:51:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14224: [IS] Fix: Add includes so everything compiles again. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14224 (by Hirundo) 17:51:32 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14225: [IS] Fix: Apply changes to npf/yapf to the new (moved) f... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14225 (by Hirundo) 17:51:33 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14226: [IS] Fix: Remove files that lingered around in their old... @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14226 (by Hirundo) 17:51:37 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: Infrastructure Sharing - Revision 14227: [IS] Fix: Remove erroneous space. @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/is2/repository/revisions/14227 (by Hirundo) 17:53:44 *** Brot6 has quit IRC 17:53:51 *** Brot6 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:06:59 *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:07:05 <DJNekkid> hi guy(s)! :) 18:07:20 <DJNekkid> long time no co... no see! :) 18:08:08 <planetmaker> hey DJNekkid :-) 18:08:23 <DJNekkid> how is stuff? :) 18:08:36 <planetmaker> good, good :-) 18:08:46 <planetmaker> Finally I understand NFO :-) 18:09:02 <DJNekkid> congratulations :) 18:09:20 <DJNekkid> finally it all seems so easy? :) 18:09:30 <planetmaker> yep, kinda 18:09:53 <DJNekkid> i know the feeling... 18:09:54 <planetmaker> all it needed doing was starting my own set :-P 18:10:01 <DJNekkid> hehehehe! 18:10:03 <DJNekkid> yup! 18:10:14 <DJNekkid> where do you think my understanding came from? 18:10:19 <DJNekkid> the 2cc set... 18:10:29 <DJNekkid> i had NO CLUE whatsoever when i started it 18:10:35 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 18:10:41 <DJNekkid> but i thought the idea were great, and i didnt give up 18:10:49 <planetmaker> I had a bit... thanks to you and 2cc. 18:11:17 <planetmaker> But now it works also much better in most areas. 18:11:19 <DJNekkid> you had a clue, but not the great breakthru lead that solved the case :) 18:11:41 <planetmaker> Of course I don't know things by heart... but it's all something which can be understood. Finally 1/2/3 is understood ;-) 18:12:08 <planetmaker> the rest is nearly trivia ;-). 18:12:10 <DJNekkid> thats a start :) 18:12:12 <planetmaker> well... maybe 7/9 18:12:34 <DJNekkid> 7 and 9 i dont completely have the hang of myself... 18:12:50 <DJNekkid> its more in the field of "barely work" :) 18:13:10 <planetmaker> and I improved on the makefile system even more :-) 18:13:37 <DJNekkid> but the (most) imporant things is within VarAction 2's (and callbacks) 18:14:09 <planetmaker> I don't use callbacks so far. But yeah. varaction2 :-) 18:14:17 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/comic-houses/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/stats.list <-- my "main" file 18:14:39 <DJNekkid> your '.xls' ? :) 18:14:42 <planetmaker> the rest is headers and scripts and templates :-) 18:14:50 <planetmaker> yes, my xls. But it is read directly 18:15:06 <DJNekkid> but it cant calculate stuff i assume 18:15:18 <planetmaker> it's a simple text file for sure, yes 18:15:57 <DJNekkid> but you dont have to calculate running costs etc :) 18:16:07 <planetmaker> indeed 18:16:28 <planetmaker> though... that could be scripted. Awk can do calculations ;-) 18:16:44 <DJNekkid> feel free 18:16:54 <DJNekkid> and im happy to go over to some text format 18:17:42 <DJNekkid> so ... 18:17:44 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/comic-houses/repository/entry/scripts/gen_action0.awk <-- the action0 generation script, parsing that file 18:18:01 <planetmaker> fed into awk - which you also should have, if you have mingw. 18:18:44 <planetmaker> The problem is: it's not a 1h change, if I want to apply that to the 2cc set ... :S 18:18:59 <DJNekkid> so you are in reality 'programming' it, not codeing it, so to speak :) 18:19:07 <planetmaker> kinda, yes 18:19:27 <planetmaker> well... I input the list - and have that script write the action0s. 18:19:33 <planetmaker> from the input of that list 18:19:39 <DJNekkid> yea 18:19:50 <planetmaker> same with english language and the StringIDs. 18:20:11 <planetmaker> But it makes it dead easy to add stuff. Just add another line and done ;-) 18:20:17 <Brot6> is2: new trunk patch: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/is2/trunk-patches/ 18:20:22 <DJNekkid> so ... planning a complete 'comic style' set? 18:20:23 <planetmaker> I just specify the template type... voila. 18:20:30 <planetmaker> Just houses so far. 18:20:54 <DJNekkid> would be cool to do a landscape and trees too 18:20:56 <DJNekkid> and roads 18:21:04 <planetmaker> yes, indeed. 18:21:06 <DJNekkid> atleast roads 18:21:25 <planetmaker> there's one guy from the German community who wants to tackle that. At least concerning the road sprites 18:21:35 <DJNekkid> cool :) 18:21:41 <DJNekkid> make sure you include trams as well 18:22:00 <planetmaker> hm... that's an overlay sprite afaik. 18:22:10 <DJNekkid> it may be... 18:22:27 <DJNekkid> im not sure tbh 18:22:28 <planetmaker> so... replacing roads with actionA might suffice. 18:22:34 <DJNekkid> probably 18:23:08 <planetmaker> but even that's A LOT of sprites 18:23:22 <planetmaker> I wished there were ground and infrastructure tiles separate sprites... 18:23:48 <DJNekkid> yea... 18:23:59 <planetmaker> so that there need not be also separate ones for level crossings etc pp 18:24:08 <planetmaker> would enhance set compatibility also A LOT 18:24:16 <planetmaker> also concerning bridges 18:24:29 <planetmaker> You'd just need the bridge sprite - not the tracks and roads which are on it. 18:25:02 <planetmaker> Anyway, what are your plans: wrapping up 2cc? 18:25:15 <DJNekkid> it would be an awsome X-Mas present 18:25:20 <planetmaker> :-) 18:25:26 <planetmaker> indeed 18:25:47 <DJNekkid> not 100% sure whats left... 18:25:55 <DJNekkid> _basicly_ wagons i think 18:26:04 <planetmaker> testing. Checking for inconsistencies and glitches 18:26:12 <DJNekkid> aye 18:26:14 <DJNekkid> i know of one 18:26:40 <planetmaker> we did that too little, I guess for the 1.0 release 18:27:02 <planetmaker> We could release 1.9 or so ;-) 18:27:22 <planetmaker> or 2.0-alpha. 18:27:37 <DJNekkid> 2.0 rc1? :) 18:27:48 <planetmaker> but then... there's always nightlies. We could just add a nightly... yeah. RC is good :-) 18:28:02 <planetmaker> But then it would have still need some more checks beforehand anyway 18:28:26 <planetmaker> Hm... did we change the GRFID? We did, or? 18:28:30 <DJNekkid> we did 18:28:32 <DJNekkid> 1 higher 18:28:57 <Ammler> no need for RC/Betas etc, if you have nightlies, imo :-) 18:29:13 <planetmaker> Good. We might just upload a nightly then to bananas... 18:29:29 <Ammler> yes, like I did once for FIRS 18:30:16 <DJNekkid> what 'we' _could_ do, is add the rest of all MU's (if any) and metros (there are some) 18:30:24 <DJNekkid> and make a "pax only 2.0" 18:30:35 <DJNekkid> (and remove all engines ofc) 18:30:43 <DJNekkid> optionally add all pax wagons 18:31:25 <Ammler> then you might call it preview or something like... 18:32:38 <Ammler> South Arfican People looks like they have a lot to eat... 18:33:17 <DJNekkid> btw, have you guys heard of "Tjosdolf Moland" and "Joshua French" and the whole "Kongo-case" ? 18:33:24 <DJNekkid> it that something forreign media follow? 18:33:38 <planetmaker> not really. Can you put me into context? 18:34:06 <Ammler> neither 18:34:54 <planetmaker> hmpf... I should cleanup my savegame dir. 18:35:03 <planetmaker> I get crashes way too often when I load a game ;-) 18:35:21 <Ammler> I cleanedup everything :-) 18:35:26 <Ammler> fresh install with suse 11.2 18:35:42 <DJNekkid> two norwegian ex-soldiers that were going to africa to ... well ... start some merchenary company ... then they _seem_ to have been set up by the Kongo (kongoose?) gouvernment, and they _apparently_ killed some driver... 18:35:59 <planetmaker> That doesn't mean "cleanup" for openttd dirs. They were copied 1:1 when I upgraded in September. 5GB of OpenTTD stuff... 18:36:10 <DJNekkid> 5GB????????????????? 18:36:15 <planetmaker> :-) 18:36:17 <Ammler> I didn't copy something 18:36:28 <Ammler> I just copy filebyfile what I need 18:37:16 <Ammler> currently I haven't a openttd install anyway :-( 18:37:27 <planetmaker> :-( 18:37:30 <DJNekkid> no comments on the kongo-case? 18:37:33 <Ammler> just realized :-D 18:37:44 <Ammler> DJNekkid: nothing heard about... 18:38:16 <planetmaker> Dunno... I haven't heart about that either. 18:38:24 <Ammler> we have our own international issue right now ;-) 18:38:44 <DJNekkid> the "norwegians crushed the swiss team in football"-case? :P 18:39:02 <planetmaker> btw... 5.8GB is my OpenTTD dir. 470MB for the OpenTTD data dir. So 6.2GB ;-) 18:39:04 <Ammler> turkey and iran blame us for humanity :-P 18:39:29 <planetmaker> But each OpenTTD repository is already >=100MB 18:39:37 <DJNekkid> let me guess, the islam-pray-tower-case? :) 18:39:58 <DJNekkid> i dont remember their proper name 18:39:59 <planetmaker> My coop-svn is 800MB, the grfdev dir 400MB 18:40:05 <Ammler> minarette 18:40:10 <DJNekkid> yea 18:40:52 <planetmaker> oh... shave-off 1.1GB for the sources of gcc. 18:41:03 <planetmaker> (which I compiled for OpenTTD reasons only, though) 18:44:35 <DJNekkid> so ... 18:44:37 <DJNekkid> 2xx 18:44:38 <DJNekkid> 2cc 18:46:21 <planetmaker> concerning Kongo: sounds like the usual muscle games played... 19:04:07 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 19:04:58 <DJNekkid> the fun thing is, they are now in "medium court" ... (round two, the next is high court) ... 19:05:53 <DJNekkid> the the first round, norway were judged to pay kongo something like 3.500.000.000 (3500 million) Kroner ... 19:06:03 <DJNekkid> around 400.000.000 euros 19:06:29 <DJNekkid> afterwards they blamed some math error 19:07:09 <planetmaker> haha 19:07:39 <DJNekkid> the anual norwegian state budget is about 500.000.000.000 kr 19:07:41 <planetmaker> sounds a bit rediculous 19:08:08 <planetmaker> why should Norway pay anything at all? Or are they ambessadors? 19:08:13 <DJNekkid> nope 19:08:20 <DJNekkid> norway wont ever pay 19:08:24 <planetmaker> and were acting on an official mission. So then what? 19:08:45 <DJNekkid> nope, not even close 19:08:55 <DJNekkid> atleast so do the officials say 19:09:01 <DJNekkid> there are LOTS of wierd things in that case 19:09:42 *** LordAzamath has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:15:22 <planetmaker> he... I didn't update my clientspatches repo for LOOONG. 1000 changes since 19:15:42 <planetmaker> no. 8000 in 1000 files :-P 19:17:36 <DJNekkid> oh lord! 19:18:02 <planetmaker> indeed. It shows how big the source code of openttd is... 19:18:22 <LordAzamath> oh me 19:18:43 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3217 <-- I need this patch, if I want to check my savegames ;-) 19:19:30 <DJNekkid> oh you! :P 19:20:07 <planetmaker> well. In my browser I can close tabs with ctrl+w. why not in OpenTTD (game=tab)? 19:20:16 <planetmaker> same functionality in many other programmes 19:20:45 <SmatZ> I don't understand it neither 19:20:56 <SmatZ> Ctrl+W would be such a nice shortcut for that 19:21:08 <planetmaker> it's in your power :-P 19:21:29 <LordAzamath> what does W stand for anyway? 19:21:37 <planetmaker> wech damit :-P 19:21:38 <LordAzamath> or just a handy letter 19:21:42 <SmatZ> :-D 19:21:54 <DJNekkid> Wlose! 19:22:06 <LordAzamath> like C is copy and x and v are just next to it :P 19:22:08 <planetmaker> probably: just missed q or something 19:22:21 <DJNekkid> or "Why would i like this tab up" :) 19:23:18 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but... isn't a sub-window in OpenTTD a window and thus shouldn't it close that? 19:23:44 <Rubidium> like e.g. the vehicle view gets closed by Ctrl+W 19:24:06 <planetmaker> Maybe :-) 19:24:39 <planetmaker> But I'm missing at least as often a "just quit this map" shortcut. 19:25:04 <planetmaker> the ingame windows... I open them and sticky those which I don't want closed 19:25:11 <LordAzamath> You know that shortcuts often lead to unexpected and long ways? 19:25:42 <LordAzamath> ;) 19:32:51 <planetmaker> hmpf. ogfx1_base.pcx is no pcx file. That sucks :-( 19:45:40 * planetmaker installs xv, seeing whether it has also problems with those pcx... 19:56:12 <planetmaker> grr.... grfcodec -d is broken on my mac :-( 19:56:49 <DJNekkid> "møkk" 19:57:21 <planetmaker> 32bit vs 64bit issue maybe? 19:59:04 <DJNekkid> point was ... Mac is almost pronociasted (or how its written) the same as the norwegian word for "shit" 19:59:07 <DJNekkid> "møkk" 19:59:39 <DJNekkid> btw 19:59:47 <DJNekkid> betaler for en 30/30 linje da=? 19:59:49 <DJNekkid> ehm 19:59:51 <DJNekkid> wrong chat 20:00:14 *** LordAzamath has quit IRC 20:24:19 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:24:50 <andythenorth> hi hi 20:24:57 <DJNekkid> hi andy 20:35:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 196: Change: fixed flashing red on Traders @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/196 (by andythenorth) 20:43:03 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: FISH - Revision 197: Change: removed some unnecessary anti-aliasing from Traders @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fish/repository/revisions/197 (by andythenorth) 20:59:42 <SmatZ> @seen yorick 20:59:42 <Webster> SmatZ: yorick was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 4 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <yorick> you just did! 21:15:02 <DJNekkid> @Seen DJ Nekkid 21:15:02 <Webster> DJNekkid: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. 21:15:20 <planetmaker> @seen DJNekkid 21:15:20 <Webster> planetmaker: DJNekkid was last seen in #openttdcoop.devzone 17 seconds ago: <DJNekkid> @Seen DJ Nekkid 21:15:43 <SmatZ> hehe 21:16:22 <DJNekkid> DJ Nekkid was last seen playing at "#mørkrød" in "molde.no .Will be seen Tomorrow at #Lipp in Ålesund.no 21:16:30 <DJNekkid> :p 21:16:40 <SmatZ> :p 21:16:49 <DJNekkid> you know what 21:17:00 <SmatZ> no 21:17:06 <DJNekkid> i've been makeing almost 150.000 norwegian money GIG'ing this year 21:17:25 <SmatZ> nice 21:17:26 <DJNekkid> remove a 0 and you are +- at sterling pounds 21:17:29 <planetmaker> doesn't sound too bad. even if I divide it by 30 or so 21:17:42 <DJNekkid> devide by about 8,5 and you are at euros 21:17:54 <planetmaker> :-) even nicer 21:17:57 <DJNekkid> i.e. close to 15.000 euros 21:18:25 <DJNekkid> the next 8 days i will make 10.000 kr 21:18:30 <DJNekkid> or actually 21:18:50 <DJNekkid> 10280 kr 21:19:05 *** Mark has quit IRC 21:19:07 <DJNekkid> 4 gigs 21:19:11 <DJNekkid> plus my day job 21:19:55 <DJNekkid> im probably gonna be in the 550.000 kr range this year 21:20:04 <DJNekkid> atleast surpass half a mill 21:20:11 <Rubidium> so... no 'poor lad' for you anymore 21:20:59 <DJNekkid> my only problem, we (me+wife) have gotten ourselves really expensive habits the last couple of years 21:21:10 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 21:21:27 <DJNekkid> i bet we could cut them by 50% without much hassle 21:21:50 <DJNekkid> and most likely pay down our current loan (780-some thousends) within 3 years 21:22:28 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:22:34 <DJNekkid> we just spend too much money on travel 21:22:53 <planetmaker> well... but why should you, if it works for you like now and you're happy? 21:22:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:23:19 <DJNekkid> well, we "need" a bigger place in the close future 21:23:32 <planetmaker> you'll multiply? 21:23:40 <planetmaker> ;-) 21:23:49 <DJNekkid> not tomorrow, and not the day after that, but within 5 years most likely 21:23:55 <DJNekkid> im 28, she is 25 now 21:24:02 <planetmaker> poor chaps. But yeah 21:24:08 *** Mark has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:24:22 <DJNekkid> we currently live in a 1bedroom 60m2 apparment 21:24:45 <planetmaker> not too bad, is it? Just... one room is bad :-) 21:24:46 <Rubidium> how much does a house for 'starters' cost over there? 21:24:57 <DJNekkid> depends alot... 21:25:13 <DJNekkid> im aiming higher tho... :P 21:25:18 <DJNekkid> i want my gradmas house 21:25:27 <DJNekkid> she is turning 81 in a couple of monthjs 21:25:29 <DJNekkid> months 21:25:33 <Rubidium> lets say: city with ~ 100.000 inhabitants and not very near to very big cities (e.g. Oslo) 21:25:35 <DJNekkid> monthjs, sounds almost dutch 21:25:58 <DJNekkid> "my" city is almost 45k ppl... 21:26:05 <DJNekkid> and even here it vary alot... 21:26:19 <DJNekkid> we have a quite ... "fjords and montains" area 21:26:26 <planetmaker> quiet? 21:26:28 <DJNekkid> and the higher spots with a great view cost alot 21:26:53 <Rubidium> yes, but very expensive houses aren't generally meant for people starting with living on themselves 21:27:17 <DJNekkid> our current appartment that is less then 1km from the city center ... if i sold it now i guess i would get around 1,3mill for it 21:27:32 <DJNekkid> as i saied, remove a 0 and we are around the pound/euro area 21:28:12 <Rubidium> even in the NL the differences are huge; between ~125kEuro in my home town (far east of the country) to ~250kEuro near my parents (middle of the country) 21:28:24 <DJNekkid> but a half of a verticaly parted 120ish m2 house would probably be about twice as much 21:29:06 <planetmaker> depends upon where again, I guess :-) 21:29:19 <DJNekkid> if we baught a house, lets say about 30km from the city center the price would be around 60% for the same house 21:29:20 <planetmaker> Maybe you want your kid rather to grow up not in the middle of the town ;-) 21:29:40 <DJNekkid> i grew up 4 or 5km from the city center 21:29:47 <DJNekkid> and that is where my grandmas house is 21:29:59 * planetmaker grew up about 12km from the nearest city 21:30:40 <DJNekkid> what would you concider "nearest city" 21:30:40 <Rubidium> http://www.funda.nl/koop/enschede/huis-29315512-ypelobrink-122/ <- is roughly the same as mine 21:30:42 <DJNekkid> i mean 21:30:42 <Webster> Title: Huis te koop: Ypelobrink 122 7544 CE Enschede [funda] (at www.funda.nl) 21:30:55 <DJNekkid> hmm 21:31:14 <DJNekkid> a city of 45k have a quite small city center 21:31:30 <DJNekkid> but we have quite large "suburbs" 21:31:50 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: well... depends really, I think. Some of the villages where I grew up have a couple of thousand inhanbitants. But still < 10k 21:32:02 <DJNekkid> and in my term is "city" the entier ... "kommune" 21:32:13 <planetmaker> Well, yes. 21:32:24 <planetmaker> It's really villages. Not suburbs :-) 21:32:53 <planetmaker> But some larger ones would pass as small towns in other places, maybe. Though IMO not really. 21:33:39 <DJNekkid> a "kommune" is pretty much one .. i dunno ... "community" ... 21:33:49 <DJNekkid> the area the mayor rule 21:34:04 <DJNekkid> or rather, the city council 21:34:18 <DJNekkid> anyway, our "kommune" have 45k ppl 21:34:33 <DJNekkid> and is pretty much a city center, and widespread suburbs 21:34:46 <Rubidium> I guess that's what a county is in the US 21:34:52 <DJNekkid> and the entire "kommune" is spread over 5 islands or so 21:34:52 <planetmaker> yes. That's what I understand under city, too. 21:35:29 <planetmaker> But each of these villages has its own mayor. And then there's the far bigger cities with their own mayor. 21:35:33 <DJNekkid> Rubidium: dont quote me on this, but i feel a "county" is a bit bigger... in pure km2 i mean 21:36:00 <planetmaker> I'd consider it equivalent to the German "Kreis" or so. 21:36:04 <Rubidium> in the US everything is bigger 21:36:32 <DJNekkid> an american state would be perhaps 10 countys, but perhaps there would be a large city in two of thoose, and like 5 smaller ones in the rest 21:36:51 <DJNekkid> but again, this is me "feeling", and not knowing exactly ... i just " 21:36:57 <DJNekkid> 'think' it is like this 21:38:13 <DJNekkid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85lesund 21:38:19 <DJNekkid> that is my city atleast 21:38:58 <planetmaker> well... "my" city where I grew up is 85k or so 21:39:09 <planetmaker> or rather where I went to school to 21:39:19 <DJNekkid> from age...? 21:39:39 <planetmaker> 12-18 or so 21:39:42 <DJNekkid> oki... 21:40:04 <DJNekkid> and this is 12km away? 21:40:07 <planetmaker> though my primary school was already 4km away, neighboring village 21:40:13 <DJNekkid> doh 21:40:18 <planetmaker> The school was 10km 21:40:42 <planetmaker> And mostly I went by bike. Was faster than the bus. 21:40:54 <DJNekkid> my lower school were less then 1km away, and in norway, atleast in the urban areas the lower schools are usually within 2km 21:41:01 <DJNekkid> (age 6-12) 21:41:22 <DJNekkid> the middle schools (13-15) are usually within 5 or 6km 21:41:52 <planetmaker> Not here. They're most often only in the "Kreisstadt" - the "capital" of our county-equivalents or so 21:42:10 <planetmaker> so, if you live at the edge of such administrative district, you might travel far to secondary school 21:42:16 <DJNekkid> probably quite hard to compare ... 21:42:19 <planetmaker> Primary schools, of course are more wide-spread 21:42:26 <DJNekkid> germany is "mostly" inland 21:42:44 <planetmaker> hm? 21:42:49 <planetmaker> you mean no islands or what? 21:43:27 <DJNekkid> islands and coast 21:43:41 <planetmaker> yeah... but that doesn't change it :-) 21:43:54 <planetmaker> Interesting for small islands, though 21:44:10 <DJNekkid> appart from the eastern parts of norway (oslo and its suroundings, about 1/3rd or so of norways ppl live here) is located more rural areas 21:44:15 <DJNekkid> with LOTS living on the coast 21:44:23 <DJNekkid> with mountains and fjords 21:44:40 <DJNekkid> our "fylke" ... i would probably say this is a county in american terms 21:44:47 <DJNekkid> we have 19 of thoose in norway 21:44:50 <DJNekkid> anyway 21:45:06 <DJNekkid> our fylke (county) have about 260k ppl 21:45:10 *** Mark has quit IRC 21:45:28 <DJNekkid> where there are 45k in "my" city, 25k ish in the two others 21:46:35 <DJNekkid> and the three cities have BIG dialect differences due to one mountain between two of them, and a big fjord inbetween the two others (they are in a (somewhat) line in a NE direction) 21:46:36 <planetmaker> Right :-) 21:46:59 <DJNekkid> and inbetween there are smaller and larges villages 21:47:40 <DJNekkid> there are actually 3 other communities that have 'city status', but amongst us "big ones" we dont count them as cities... 21:48:24 <DJNekkid> they recently got that status, as the rules of what could become a city were liberated a few years ago 21:48:35 <DJNekkid> that=their 21:48:41 <DJNekkid> (status) 21:51:09 <planetmaker> I don't even know what constitutes a city and what not... 21:51:24 <Rubidium> it's simple in the Netherlands :) 21:51:32 <DJNekkid> <3 NL 21:51:33 *** welshdragon has quit IRC 21:52:01 <Rubidium> either you have 'stadsrechten' (city rights) and it's a city or you don't and it's not a city 21:52:15 <DJNekkid> same as norway 21:52:28 <DJNekkid> "by(city)status)" or not 21:52:43 <DJNekkid> but as i saied, the rules of what can become a city or not were liberated ... 21:53:35 <Rubidium> as such some towns with ~500.000 inhabitants are still a town and towns with > 20.000 inhabitants are cities. Simple and logical 21:53:58 <Rubidium> *some towns with less than 20.000... 21:54:15 <DJNekkid> simple and logical indeed ... ehm ... 21:54:20 <DJNekkid> or whatever :P 21:54:33 <planetmaker> well. It's as simple as that here, too 21:54:49 <DJNekkid> you know, norways largest city is Oslo ... counted to about 500-550k inhabitants... 21:54:51 <planetmaker> But I don't know when or how town rights are awarded. And what you gain by being one 21:55:00 <SmatZ> hmm I think we have just "villages" and "towns" 21:55:09 <SmatZ> then smallest town has ~50 inhabitants :) 21:55:20 <Rubidium> that's probably a hamlet 21:55:20 <DJNekkid> 50ppl would be ... 21:55:42 <DJNekkid> "a bunch of farms with their main building along the main road" 21:55:47 <SmatZ> :) 21:56:19 <planetmaker> :-P 21:56:27 <DJNekkid> and a "7/11" nearby ... accessable by bike and a some goodwill :P 21:56:40 <DJNekkid> optinally drunk and a tractor :p 21:56:52 <SmatZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C5%99ebuz so actually, 83 21:57:28 <DJNekkid> almost 3ppl/km2 21:57:52 <SmatZ> hehe 21:58:25 <Rubidium> whahah... the smallest town with city rights in the NL has a whopping 40 inhabitants 21:58:52 <SmatZ> :-) 21:59:12 <DJNekkid> Ålesund have about 100/m2 21:59:39 <DJNekkid> btw... 21:59:55 <DJNekkid> if you EVER go to Norway, you SHOULD wisit Ålesund... 22:01:18 <Brot6> ::DevZone:: OpenGFX - Revision 240: Fix: Align a few town buildings (part of issue #77) @ https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/240 (by planetmaker) 22:01:40 <planetmaker> DJNekkid: why? :-) 22:02:12 <DJNekkid> many reasons... first of all ... 22:02:22 <DJNekkid> we have a few great DJ's :) 22:03:01 <DJNekkid> second ... i've been around, and we actually have great arcitecture here 22:03:20 <DJNekkid> plus, mountains and fjords 22:03:43 <DJNekkid> the Geiranger Fjord is a little more then an hour away 22:04:14 <DJNekkid> and the eagle road is SPECTALULAR ... even I think so, and i've been there more then once 22:04:49 <Rubidium> but... alesund doesn't even have a station 22:04:55 <DJNekkid> i know :( 22:04:57 <Rubidium> how can I ever get there then? 22:05:01 <DJNekkid> we have a planned HST here tho 22:05:14 <DJNekkid> boeing 737-300 or 800, usually 22:05:38 <DJNekkid> or some germanbuilt road (appart from the mainroad) built in the early 40's :PÅ 22:07:17 <planetmaker> :-P 22:07:31 <planetmaker> My car needs to see some roads anyway... hehe 22:07:50 <planetmaker> still has to get used to them 22:08:32 <DJNekkid> well, if you fly in on a NICE summer day the pilot usually does a manual landing, thus flying some spectaliclar route 22:08:43 <planetmaker> though... could one go by bike? 22:09:03 <Rubidium> pff... I was a bit scared SAS' prices were in Euros... 2800 euros is a little bit too much for a ticket 22:09:03 <planetmaker> there is no such thing as an automatic landing... 22:10:23 <DJNekkid> well, manual "fly-in" ... not follow the usual "highways in the skies" 22:11:07 <DJNekkid> lo, yea, but 2800 from AMS to AES sounds about right ... a tad on the expensive side, but not unhead of 22:11:12 <Rubidium> 1733 NOK sounds somewhat towards reasonable if I my Norwegian is correct and that includes all taxes and fuel surcharges 22:11:25 <DJNekkid> that is AMS - AES? 22:11:37 <Rubidium> AMS-CPH-AES 22:11:41 <DJNekkid> oki 22:11:49 <Rubidium> on next tuesday 22:11:57 <DJNekkid> AMS-CHP-AES is about the same as AES-OSL-AES 22:12:04 <planetmaker> return flight or one-way? 22:12:07 <Rubidium> one way 22:12:09 <DJNekkid> that is one way 22:12:11 <DJNekkid> no wait 22:12:12 <planetmaker> uh 22:12:20 <Rubidium> DJNekkid: well... 2800 vs 1700 is quite a difference 22:13:00 <DJNekkid> we (me and wife) usually fly both ways for late 3000 to mid 4000... 22:13:13 <DJNekkid> say 3800 to 4500 to amsterdam 22:13:20 <Rubidium> hmm, with return flight the ticket is somewhat cheaper 22:13:27 <DJNekkid> bt 22:13:34 <DJNekkid> but next tuesday is rather close 22:13:43 <DJNekkid> try something like 15 february or something 22:13:57 <Rubidium> 8th AMS-CPH-AES: 1643, 15th AES-OSL-AMS: 1101, total of 2769 because of 'gebyr' (booking costs?) 22:14:11 <DJNekkid> "fee" 22:14:33 <DJNekkid> but booking cost is quite close 22:14:40 <planetmaker> gebühr ;-) 22:14:52 <DJNekkid> but the "nice" thing about SAS ... 22:15:01 <DJNekkid> the price you pay with CC is what you get 22:15:26 <Rubidium> already found a 2158 round trip 22:15:34 <DJNekkid> sounds about right 22:16:10 <Rubidium> no flights at christmas and extremely expensive just before/after it 22:16:29 <DJNekkid> as i saied, late 3000's or early 4000's for two ppl round trip Ålesund - ... Wherever middle europe 22:17:18 <DJNekkid> probably just the most expensive buisniss class tickets left 22:18:40 <planetmaker> sounds quite decently priced then 22:19:11 <DJNekkid> but low 2000's for a round trip for one person is quite ok, imho :) 22:19:31 <DJNekkid> did you try "norwegian" ? 22:20:01 <Rubidium> if gebyr is norwegian then yes 22:20:02 <DJNekkid> www.norwegian.no 22:20:16 <Rubidium> oh, that norwegian 22:20:25 <DJNekkid> an airline 22:21:11 <Rubidium> doesn't like to go to Amsterdam 22:21:35 <DJNekkid> oki 22:21:48 <Rubidium> well, not quite right... 22:21:56 <Rubidium> doesn't like to go Alesund - Amsterdam 22:22:10 <DJNekkid> try Oslo - Amsterdam 22:22:20 <planetmaker> but they don't fly that airport, do they? 22:22:27 <DJNekkid> and Ålesund (Aalesund or Alesund) - Osloi 22:22:30 <planetmaker> just oslo then? 22:22:40 <DJNekkid> they do atlest fly Ålesund - Oslo 22:22:46 <DJNekkid> but perhaps not Oslo - AMS 22:25:42 <Rubidium> 540 AMS-Oslo Gardermoen (13 dec - 16 dec) 22:26:12 <Rubidium> +704 Oslo-AES 22:26:25 <DJNekkid> perhaps they dont sell "connection" flights 22:26:30 <DJNekkid> just individual... 22:26:49 <DJNekkid> about 1250 one way then ... times two, 2500 22:27:03 <DJNekkid> or is that t/r? 22:27:16 <Rubidium> they arrive at 23:25 in Oslo 22:27:16 <planetmaker> 2000NOK from Berlin to Alesund 22:27:33 <planetmaker> return. In March 22:27:59 <Rubidium> so you need to do a night in Oslo 22:28:00 <DJNekkid> not to bad, is it? 22:28:09 <DJNekkid> Rubidium: apparently 22:28:22 <Rubidium> both ways 9 hours waiting 22:28:39 <Rubidium> though 540 + 498 NOK isn't that bad for return trip 22:28:43 <planetmaker> I'd need just a day 22:28:52 <DJNekkid> the last OSL-ASL flight is at about 2230ish 22:29:03 <DJNekkid> takes about 50mins 22:29:18 <DJNekkid> atleast according to the schedule, it always takes less 22:29:19 <planetmaker> 3 hours to the airport, 1.5hours flight, 3hours waiting, 1hour flight 22:29:44 <DJNekkid> a good hour is enough in gardermoen (OSL=) 22:29:50 <DJNekkid> 1:20 or so 22:30:01 <Rubidium> ghehe :) 22:30:25 <Rubidium> let me say 1 hour isn't enough time by far for Washington Dulles 22:30:27 <planetmaker> hehe - I believe so 22:30:37 <Rubidium> and more than enough for Tokyo Narita 22:30:57 <DJNekkid> you need less "aes-oslo-wherever" 22:31:12 <DJNekkid> but "wherever-oslo-aes" you need more 22:31:28 <DJNekkid> as you need to pick up your luggage, and then resend it for domestic travel 22:31:33 <DJNekkid> due to coustums 22:31:45 <DJNekkid> plus a new security check 22:32:11 <planetmaker> it's not getting checked-through? 22:32:24 <planetmaker> sucks. 22:32:32 <DJNekkid> not when its abroad-domestic 22:32:37 <DJNekkid> but domestic-aborad it is 22:33:01 <planetmaker> hm... also within EU? wait... within? 22:33:10 <DJNekkid> wait... within? :P 22:33:17 <DJNekkid> we are just "EØS" ... 22:33:36 <planetmaker> not. right. 22:33:51 <DJNekkid> you know ... thoose "wannabee" EU-countries ... norway, island, and a couple of others 22:34:25 <planetmaker> wannabe? Iceland will pretty much be one soon, I guess. Kinda hoping that it'll solve their financial trouble, I guess :-P 22:34:27 <DJNekkid> EEA in english 22:34:41 <DJNekkid> or EFTA if you wish 22:34:42 <planetmaker> not EFTA? 22:34:46 <planetmaker> :-) 22:34:47 <DJNekkid> ^^ 22:35:33 <planetmaker> iceland, switzerland and norway are the only three remainders of that - or are there still more? 22:35:48 <DJNekkid> i doubt it 22:35:55 <DJNekkid> the others are full members :P 22:36:01 <DJNekkid> i just WISH norway were E 22:36:11 <planetmaker> :-) 22:36:16 <DJNekkid> EU 22:36:45 <DJNekkid> i mean, its only us left, we, the ammlers, and some ex communist countries 22:37:02 <planetmaker> :-P 22:37:56 <planetmaker> it's in your hands after all :-) 22:38:02 <planetmaker> not in mine 22:38:14 <DJNekkid> well, we had an election 15yrs ago, i were pro, but not 18yrs old yet 22:38:22 <DJNekkid> and i still am PRO 22:38:33 <DJNekkid> but im still a left-wing man 22:38:35 <planetmaker> 15 years? Holy duck. That's ages ago. 22:38:40 <DJNekkid> 1994 iirc 22:38:44 <DJNekkid> or 95 22:39:03 <DJNekkid> we do however, have an ongoing debate if we should apply again 22:39:18 <DJNekkid> we had an election in 72 or 74, and then again in the mid 95 22:39:20 <DJNekkid> 90's 22:41:25 <DJNekkid> i mean, 'we' pay like 1bill (1000mill) kr to EU yearly 22:41:40 <DJNekkid> no wait 22:41:52 <DJNekkid> its norway, island and lichtenstein that is in EFTA 22:47:26 <DJNekkid> :) 22:49:03 <planetmaker> hehe 23:01:26 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:04:06 <Brot6> is2: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/infrastructure-sharing/ initiated. 23:04:10 <Brot6> opengfx: Backup push to ssh://hg@bitbucket.org/OpenTTD/opengfx/ initiated. 23:04:28 <planetmaker> Off to bed. Good night! 23:08:44 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 23:22:47 <DJNekkid> glhf!