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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 20th January 2010:
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00:12:23  <Ammler> Sorry, I have real issues to see sense of that 32bpp project.. hmmm :-/
00:13:25  <Rubidium> Ammler: it keeps them from the street and going into crime, besides that...
00:14:07  <Rubidium> their decisiveness is worse than the US Senate on the health bill
00:23:07  <Ammler> is btw. pngcodec also able to decode?
00:23:52  <Rubidium> probably not 'cause there isn't much to decode
00:24:24  <Ammler> hmm, yes, you need a metafile somehow
00:25:58  <Ammler> how do you get the offsets of a png for reencode after you edited it?
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00:27:09  <Rubidium> no idea
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15:06:24  <Ammler> planetmaker: are you in active discussion about 32bpp?
15:06:37  <Ammler> according to the "organisation" thread
15:06:49  <planetmaker> uh... not really
15:07:34  <planetmaker> well, anasthasios still obviously wants to pull a 32bpp openGFX replacement. Which is fine IMO
15:07:53  <planetmaker> But his upload last night is... less fine IMO ;-) No proper repo and license
15:08:07  <planetmaker> I asked him already though, what the issue is with a repo. But no reply so far
15:08:08  <Ammler> quite ugly indeed
15:08:52  <Ammler> well, the issue with him is, that he doesn't participate in tt-forums
15:09:00  <planetmaker> yeah.
15:09:10  <planetmaker> Well. He was banned there
15:09:27  <Ammler> IMO, the jupix repo is fine start
15:09:56  <Ammler> they should force GPL there
15:09:56  <planetmaker> yes, it is. But still. No proper versioning and no proper control and tracking.
15:10:32  <Ammler> hmm, isn't it versioned?
15:10:32  <planetmaker> But I don't want to stop anasthasios going the OpenGFX 32bpp path either. Why should I / we?
15:10:39  <planetmaker> Well, yes, it is somewhat
15:10:42  <Ammler> you should also be easy able to fork
15:11:32  <planetmaker> Well. I would still like to see a proper repo with a makefile ;-)
15:11:53  <Ammler> it is a requirement, as you need to compile the offsets
15:12:06  <planetmaker> yeah.
15:12:30  <Ammler> either with a Makefile or a commit hook
15:12:49  <planetmaker> how does a commit hook help there to align sprites?
15:13:03  <Ammler> well, the hook could run the make
15:13:15  <planetmaker> well. yes.
15:13:33  <planetmaker> but that's then only a comfort issue ;-)
15:14:01  <Ammler> the other issue is, what to do with the zoom levels
15:14:49  <planetmaker> yes. I'm not sure about it.
15:15:09  <planetmaker> It might be an idea to issue two versions: one trunk-worthy and one for the zoom-level patch
15:15:19  <planetmaker> But...
15:37:10  <Ammler> issued reboot...
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17:03:01  <Frankr> Ammler do you know if this page is still correct, regards the mercurial.ini file changes https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Configuring_TortoiseHg_%28Windows%29
17:05:25  <Frankr> Basically are the line ending changes still necessary
17:07:59  <Ammler> they are recommend
17:08:19  <Ammler> but if all coders are windows guys, you can also agree to use windows linefeeds
17:08:44  <planetmaker> unless one of them has setup the dev environment properly ;-)
17:08:46  <Ammler> the server (nightlies) is linux
17:09:24  <Frankr> ok
17:09:33  <Ammler> hmm, there is already hg 1.4, maybe there is some native support
17:09:33  <Frankr> mine doesn't contain these
17:09:48  <planetmaker> I didn't see changes there in the changelog
17:09:57  <Ammler> ok ^
17:10:09  <Frankr> ; System-wide Mercurial config file.
17:10:10  <Frankr> ;
17:10:12  <Frankr> ; See http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/hgrc.5.html or the file
17:10:13  <Webster> Title: hgrc (at www.selenic.com)
17:10:13  <Frankr> ; 'hgrc.5.html' in the 'docs' subdirectory for help about the syntax
17:10:15  <Frankr> ; and semantics of mercurial.ini files.
17:10:16  <Frankr> ;
17:10:18  <Frankr> ; !!!  Do Not Edit This File !!!
17:10:20  <Frankr> ;
17:10:21  <Frankr> ; This file will be replaced by the installer on every upgrade.
17:10:23  <Frankr> ; Editing this file can cause strange side effects on Vista.
17:10:25  <Frankr> ;
17:10:27  <Frankr> ; http://bitbucket.org/tortoisehg/stable/issue/135
17:10:29  <Frankr> ;
17:10:31  <planetmaker> ...
17:10:31  <Frankr> ; To change settings you see in this file, override (or enable) them in
17:10:32  <Webster> Title: tortoisehg / stable / issues / #135 - Upgrade to 0.7.2 : *** failed to import extension hgext.hgconfig: No module named hgconfig — bitbucket.org (at bitbucket.org)
17:10:33  <Frankr> ; your user Mercurial.ini file, where USERNAME is your Windows user name:
17:10:34  <Frankr> ;
17:10:36  <Frankr> ; XP or older    - C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Mercurial.ini
17:10:36  <Ammler> hmmm
17:10:37  <Frankr> ; Vista or later - C:\Users\USERNAME\Mercurial.ini
17:10:39  <Frankr> [ui]
17:10:40  <Frankr> ; editor used to enter commit logs, etc.  Most any text editor
17:10:42  <Frankr> ; will suffice.
17:10:44  <Frankr> editor = notepad
17:10:46  <Frankr> ; In order to push/pull over ssh you must specify a ssh tool
17:10:46  <Ammler> don't paste more than 3 lines
17:10:47  <Frankr> ssh = "C:\Program Files\TortoiseHg\TortoisePlink.exe" -ssh -2
17:10:49  <Frankr> ;ssh = C:\cygwin\bin\ssh
17:10:50  <Frankr> [merge-tools]
17:10:52  <Frankr> kdiff3.priority=-1
17:10:53  <Frankr> kdiff3.args=-L1 base --L2 local --L3 other $base $local $other -o $output
17:10:54  <planetmaker> aaaaah!
17:10:55  <Frankr> kdiff3.regkey=Software\KDiff3
17:10:56  <Frankr> kdiff3.regappend=\kdiff3.exe
17:10:58  <Frankr> kdiff3.fixeol=True
17:10:59  <Frankr> kdiff3.gui=True
17:11:00  <planetmaker> @kick Frankr
17:11:01  <Frankr> beyondcompare3.priority=-2
17:11:03  <Frankr> beyondcompare3.args=$local $other $base $output /ro /lefttitle=local /centertitle=base /righttitle=other /automerge /reviewconflicts /solo
17:11:04  <Frankr> beyondcompare3.regkey=Software\Scooter Software\Beyond Compare 3
17:11:06  <Frankr> beyondcompare3.regname=ExePath
17:11:06  <planetmaker> @servicesop
17:11:07  <Frankr> beyondcompare3.gui=True
17:11:09  <Frankr> diffmerge.priority=-7
17:11:10  <Frankr> diffmerge.args=--nosplash --merge --title1=base --title2=local --title3=other $base $local $other
17:11:12  <Frankr> diffmerge.checkchanged=True
17:11:14  <Frankr> diffmerge.gui=True
17:11:15  <KenjiE20> @serices op
17:11:16  <Frankr> p4merge.priority=-8
17:11:18  <Frankr> p4merge.args=$base $local $other $output
17:11:18  <Frankr> p4merge.regkey=Software\Perforce\Environment
17:11:20  <KenjiE20> @services op
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17:11:20  <Frankr> p4merge.regname=P4INSTROOT
17:11:22  <Frankr> p4merge.regappend=\p4merge.exe
17:11:23  <Frankr> p4merge.gui=True
17:11:24  <KenjiE20> @ban Frankr
17:11:25  <Frankr> tortoisemerge.priority=-9
17:11:27  <Frankr> tortoisemerge.args=/base:$output /mine:$local /theirs:$other /merged:$output
17:11:28  <Ammler> how
17:11:28  <Frankr> tortoisemerge.regkey=Software\TortoiseSVN
17:11:30  <Frankr> tortoisemerge.gui=True
17:11:31  <planetmaker> @kick Frankr
17:11:31  *** Frankr was kicked by Webster (planetmaker)
17:11:32  <Ammler> just -q him
17:11:41  <planetmaker> he'll re-join ;-)
17:11:48  <planetmaker> And I don't know how to mute ;-)
17:12:08  <Ammler> @mode planetmaker -q
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17:14:09  <planetmaker> hmpf
17:14:10  <planetmaker> ah
17:14:29  <planetmaker> oh well. He doesn't return :S
17:14:34  <Ammler> planetmaker: seems like I don't know it either :-)
17:14:49  <KenjiE20> pm; he's probably still in paste hell
17:15:05  <KenjiE20> ERROR 2010-01-20T09:13:27 supybot Unhandled error message from server: IrcMsg(prefix="osmotic.oftc.net", command="472", args=('Webster', 'a', 'is unknown mode char to me'))
17:15:16  <Ammler> @deop
17:15:16  *** Webster sets mode: -o Ammler
17:15:44  <KenjiE20> @deop Webster
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17:15:49  <KenjiE20> oh yea
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17:15:50  <Ammler> KenjiE20: maybe we can make an alias for @mute ?
17:15:53  <KenjiE20> @mode -o Webster
17:15:53  *** Webster sets mode: -o Webster
17:16:07  <KenjiE20> mute is already taken as bot lobotomy
17:16:23  <KenjiE20> not that it worked last time but still
17:16:23  <Frankr> right where do i find the latest ssh btw for was
17:16:38  <Ammler> btw?
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17:16:54  <Frankr> sorry again
17:16:57  <Frankr> by the way
17:17:13  <Ammler> what's an ssh btw?
17:17:39  <Frankr> the ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org/hg-repos/worldairlineset  for cloning
17:17:51  <Frankr> faddy said it didn't work
17:17:52  <planetmaker> well. just that?
17:17:54  <Ammler> seems ok
17:18:07  <Ammler> the IP has changed
17:18:07  <planetmaker> did you try yourself?
17:18:22  <planetmaker> ^ indeed.
17:18:32  <Ammler> you might get a warning, which you need to aprove
17:18:32  <planetmaker> So... the computer might complain about wrong host key
17:18:47  <planetmaker> Ammler, I have my settings such that I get an abort, not a warning ;-)
17:18:51  <Frankr> no i haven't, ok i told him that
17:19:26  <Ammler> planetmaker: on linux, you need to edit known_hosts with default settings
17:19:42  <planetmaker> yes, I know :-)
17:20:01  <Ammler> Frankr: http://openttdcoop.googlepages.com <-- Fingerprint
17:20:31  <planetmaker> hm... I hate time estimates wrong by a factor of 4
17:20:40  <Frankr> remote: Illegal repository '/home/ottdc/hg-
17:20:43  <Frankr> he gets that
17:20:48  <planetmaker> At 18:00h my machine told me calculation would be finished in 5 minutes...
17:21:20  <planetmaker> still 2 minutes left.
17:22:34  <planetmaker> ssh://ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org:22/hg-repos/worldairlineset
17:22:38  <planetmaker> works for me
17:22:52  <planetmaker> and you can leave out the :22
17:22:55  <planetmaker> (I cannot)
17:23:35  <Ammler> if I knew, changing key is such an issue for windows users, I would have copied it.
17:23:43  <Frankr> lol, it is miraculusly working now
17:24:34  <Ammler> well, we had a miraculusly host down today ;-)
17:24:45  <planetmaker> miracle day it then
17:25:06  <Frankr> :)
17:28:06  <Frankr> thanks guys and sorry again
17:30:55  <Ammler> just don't do it again ;-)
17:33:13  <Frankr> just one question
17:33:39  <Frankr> is this warning to do with the difference in mine and ashs mercurial file like i suspect
17:34:09  <Ammler> which warning?
17:34:23  <Frankr> don't know if i can post it
17:34:31  <Frankr> i'll upload to pastebin
17:34:33  <Ammler> pastebin.ch
17:34:39  * planetmaker is off for the night
17:34:40  <Ammler> www.pastebin.ca
17:34:47  <Ammler> schlaf gut
17:34:53  <planetmaker> :-P
17:34:56  <Ammler> :-D
17:35:04  <Ammler> don't drink too much
17:35:07  <Frankr> http://pastebin.ca/1759160
17:35:09  <Frankr> lol
17:35:17  <Frankr> cya planetmaker
17:35:17  <planetmaker> Du auch ;-) Aber erst ein paar Helden durch ausgedachte Landschaften schieben ;-)
17:36:22  <Ammler> sprites/was.nfo.new.nfo <-- what a ugly file name is that$?
17:36:47  <Frankr> that is made by yorick and his makefile system
17:37:12  <Frankr> it isn't just on that file
17:37:17  <Ammler> please remove that from the repo
17:37:46  <Ammler> silly beardie again
17:37:49  <Frankr> i don't think it changes, i think it maybe from a very old version
17:38:01  <Frankr> so it can be removed
17:38:02  <Ammler> it isn't needed in the repo
17:39:01  <Ammler> remove it
17:39:04  <Ammler> run make
17:39:09  <Ammler> then hg st
17:39:18  <Ammler> and should have no files
17:39:33  <Frankr> ok, will do when i have sorted faddy out
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18:04:02  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 585: Enabled 2CC on B777-200 <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/585>
18:05:59  <Frankr> yay
18:06:02  <Frankr> it worked
18:11:27  <Ammler> Frankr: the file is still in the repo
18:11:38  <Frankr> sorry
18:11:48  <Ammler> he?
18:12:04  <Ammler> I don't care, just because you said, "it worked"
18:16:03  <Frankr> yh about faddy
18:16:14  <Frankr> he didn't change every file in the whole repo
18:16:24  <Frankr> hg remove, removes doesn't it
18:17:56  <Frankr> pushed
18:17:59  <Frankr> should be gone now
18:18:03  <Ammler> yes, if you like to keep it, you can use "hg forget"
18:18:39  <Ammler> Frankr: now run make and check, if it will be generated
18:18:40  <Frankr> no it really isn't necessary
18:18:48  <Frankr> it isn't generated
18:19:08  <Ammler> then what the hell did beardie?
18:19:18  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 586: removed was.nfo.new.nfo <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/586>
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18:19:45  <Ammler> if you run "hg status"
18:19:54  <Ammler> do you get files with "?"
18:20:23  <Frankr> i have however got a small issue with my pcx files having moved
18:21:03  <Ammler> use "hg rename" to move files
18:21:29  <Frankr> they had just randomly disappeared
18:21:43  <Ammler> hg revert then
18:21:49  <Frankr> i must have moved them accidentally
18:22:11  <Ammler> paste your hg st
18:22:14  <Frankr> i've cut them straight back and there is no problem
18:22:41  <Ammler> hg st should be empty
18:23:52  <Frankr> i have ?
18:24:11  <Ammler> like?
18:24:20  <Frankr> on grfcodec, msys and renum which i added in myself
18:24:32  <Frankr> i'll add a hg ignore to them
18:24:40  <Ammler> yes, but local
18:24:57  <Frankr> yh only local
18:26:30  <Ammler> well, if you don't commit with "-A", it isn't important
18:26:54  <Ammler> or if you don't use hg addremove
18:27:29  <Frankr> i use hg addremove
18:27:37  <Frankr> commit with -m
18:33:33  <Ammler> yes, then your hg st should always be empty
18:33:54  <Ammler> except the files you add of course
18:34:06  * Ammler doesn't use hg addremove
18:34:32  <Frankr> ok
18:34:57  <Ammler> you know, there is also a "hg add" :-)
18:37:19  <Frankr> yh
18:39:00  <Frankr> you guys are really helpful to me who is a complete idiot
18:39:23  <Frankr> i am learning though, :)
18:47:16  <Ammler> you aren't
18:48:03  <Frankr> not learning or not a complete idiot, :)
19:06:03  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 587: FaddyPainters changes <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/587>
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22:10:55  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Revision 588: Added Continental 737-900ER and Added Manufacturer livery for... <http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/revisions/588>
22:24:23  <andythenorth> hi hi
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