Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 24th February 2010:
Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:01:56  * Frankr is off to play poker
00:02:01  <Frankr> bbl
00:17:43  <Ammler> DJNekkid: see you on semi final :-)
01:04:01  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Autopilot - Patch #51: rcon for irc voice <>
01:04:22  * PeterT ^
01:04:59  *** welshdragon has quit IRC
01:05:51  *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
01:10:36  *** Frankr has quit IRC
01:19:23  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Autopilot - Patch #51: rcon for irc voice <>
01:19:44  <PeterT> that was suprisingly quick
01:20:14  <Ammler> it does pull
01:34:40  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Autopilot - Patch #51: rcon for irc voice (or other user states) <> || Autopilot - Patch #51: rcon for irc voice (or other user states) <>
01:46:03  *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC
02:04:59  *** PeterT_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
02:15:25  *** PeterT_ has quit IRC
02:18:04  *** PeterT_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
03:14:32  *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
04:57:26  *** welshdragon has quit IRC
05:29:14  *** Frankr has quit IRC
08:53:49  *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
09:53:54  *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
11:08:28  *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
11:28:15  *** welshdragon has quit IRC
11:35:18  *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
11:45:51  <Rubidium> planetmaker: what's the point of doing a full compile for 'make clean && make clean' with OpenGFX?
11:47:06  <Ammler> Rubidium: I guess, none. :-)
11:49:02  <planetmaker> There's not much point and I consider it a bug
11:56:51  <Ammler> maybe yorick makes a patch? ;-)
11:57:34  <planetmaker> he :-P
11:57:47  <planetmaker> I started re-writing the makefiles to a bit easier to maintain thing
11:58:15  <planetmaker> making it the same for the projects as much as possible. They divereged already too much again to make it maintainable
11:58:22  <planetmaker> easily at least
11:58:22  * yorick feels talked about
12:18:20  *** DJNekkid has quit IRC
12:48:27  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Code Review #752 (New): Some build system patch from Debian <> || OpenGFX - Code Review #751 (New): Some build system patches from Debian <>
12:56:41  <Ammler> planetmaker: fixed in r70 ^
12:58:35  <planetmaker> I guess so :-)
12:59:25  <Ammler> just liked to add the comment, but then it came the msg that someone else made a post... :-P
12:59:59  <planetmaker> :-) I added the version info. Thx
13:01:19  <yorick> Scons!
13:01:29  <yorick> it's like makefile, but better
13:01:58  <Ammler> for version 0.4 maybe ;-)
13:02:10  <planetmaker> Ammler, it proved again that these announcements by Webster are quite nice :-)
13:02:18  <planetmaker> ^ KenjiE20 also
13:02:44  <Ammler> yeah, I am thinking about setup a bot again, so we can push the messages
13:02:50  <Ammler> (realtime)
13:03:29  <Ammler> or KenjiE20 moves the bot to our server :-)
13:03:31  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Code Review #752 (Feedback): Some build system patch from Debian <" target="_blank">> || OpenSFX - Code Review #752 (Feedback): Some build system patch from Debian <>
13:06:38  <Ammler> oh
13:07:19  <Ammler> I need to test if make install INSTALLDIR="/usr/share/openttd/data" still works
13:07:24  <Ammler> since you changed it to :=
13:07:44  <yorick> I think it should
13:07:51  <yorick> but there shouldn't be any need to make that :=
13:07:56  <yorick> not much is evaluated there
13:10:17  <planetmaker> yes, please do, Ammler
13:10:24  <planetmaker> though it *should*
13:11:37  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe we could make a 0.2.2 release as a kind of RC for opengfx
13:13:01  <Ammler> Rubidium: do you need to define the version of the basesets in the installer?
13:13:41  <Ammler> if so, maybe you do something like opengfx-latest.tar.bz2 and symlink it
13:15:52  <Ammler> hmm, maybe too much effort, there are more openttd releases than basesets will be...
13:15:59  <Rubidium> Ammler: no, I only define the lowest version of OpenTTD that supports it in there. That way if we make a base set that isn't supported in e.g. 1.3 we just distribute a <1.3 and a >=1.3 version
13:16:51  <Rubidium> Ammler: <- that's what's used
13:16:51  <Ammler> ah, so already supported :-)
13:17:33  <Rubidium> actually I can remove open[gs]fx-0.2.0* from there :)
13:18:13  <planetmaker> yes, might seem appropriate. It doesn't have all sprites ;-)
13:18:21  <planetmaker> (shading button)
13:18:43  <Ammler> planetmaker: nobody does download manually from that dir and the installer shouldn't
13:19:24  <Ammler> but maybe we should add a "latest" to the bundles release dir
13:19:46  <planetmaker> not sure it's needed. Though a symlink updated doesn't hurt
13:20:19  <planetmaker> hm... maybe similar to the .../download-grfcodec links?
13:20:38  <Rubidium> Ammler: the installer directory is NOT for general downloads
13:21:08  <Rubidium> also it is ONLY updated when I do it
13:21:12  <planetmaker> :-O OpenMSX is also already there :-)
13:21:54  <planetmaker> btw, half the translators gave me already a translation of the ingame description
13:22:49  <planetmaker> hm, those are strange version numbers used there, Rubidium
13:23:01  <Ammler> version of min. openttd
13:23:03  <Rubidium> oh, they didn't update the forum posts?
13:23:21  <planetmaker> 1/3 replies did.
13:23:22  <Rubidium> planetmaker: can you pm me the strings + language, then I can update my local repository
13:23:28  <planetmaker> Terkhen and tsjook pm'ed me.
13:24:08  <planetmaker> yes, I could also commit it tonight as I added it already locally this morning
13:24:28  <Ammler> why do you guys don't push?
13:24:29  <planetmaker> I didn't ask for a "default" string, there I'll use the OpenGFX one.
13:24:42  <planetmaker> Ammler, two strings didn't seem worth the push
13:24:54  <Ammler> one char is worth the push
13:25:09  <Ammler> if you commit it
13:25:11  <planetmaker> yes and no :-)
13:25:22  <Rubidium> but it's probably not yet committed :)
13:25:22  <planetmaker> I haven't commited locally. But edited
13:28:32  <planetmaker> sent you the translations
13:28:42  <Ammler> do you add localized translations, if they are equal?
13:28:53  <planetmaker> I would do it
13:29:29  <Ammler> just wondering about en_US
13:29:39  <Ammler> I won't submit de_CH :-P
13:29:45  <planetmaker> :-(
13:30:03  <Ammler> well, not before it got added to openttd...
13:30:07  <planetmaker> adding some unsued pieces of information :-P
13:31:55  <Ammler> don't
13:34:37  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Code Review #752: Some build system patch from Debian <>
13:36:09  <Rubidium> I did add en_US just to 'show' that it was not not translated
13:37:44  <Rubidium> planetmaker: okay, so waiting for fi and hu :)
13:37:50  <planetmaker> yeah
13:38:41  <XeryusTC> planetmaker: it would be cool if the newgrf_makefile would indicate it is doing something as soon as it starts running
13:38:46  <planetmaker> If you want to commit them fine, but tell me, fine with me, just not that I'll have an unncessary merge ;-)
13:39:00  <planetmaker> XeryusTC, in what way?
13:39:10  <XeryusTC> it is quite annoying to see it do nothing, and then take half of the time it spend doing nothing with displaying messages and compiling the newgrf
13:39:31  <planetmaker> Yes... they just got quite a bit faster :-P Last Monday
13:39:58  <planetmaker> Also it's nothing I can change easily
13:39:58  <XeryusTC> yes, but basicly i was clueless if it did something before i decided to wait more than 15 seconds :P
13:40:37  <XeryusTC> and until i ran it in a non-repository setup, then it complained about no .hg directories instead of being completely silent
13:40:41  <planetmaker> It's the initial variable assignment which takes a bit
13:43:10  <XeryusTC> ah ok, i can understand that you wont display all those details
13:43:29  <XeryusTC> maybe it is useful to just display a message at first to tell it's started
13:43:55  <Ammler> XeryusTC: the new makefiles are 20 times faster
13:45:01  <XeryusTC> hmm, i checked out these makefiles this morning
13:45:10  <XeryusTC> but well, i'll manage to survive it anyway
13:45:13  <XeryusTC> off to shower now
13:46:30  <Ammler> dunno, where pm ported the speed-fix already
13:46:50  <Ammler> maybe not to the generic one, which did you co?
13:50:14  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: Modern Station Set - Revision 1: Changed to a new Makefile system <> || Redmine - Revision 3321: Reduces spacing on the bulk edit form. <> || Redmine - Revision 3320: Bulk edit refactoring. <> || Redmine - Revision 3319: Move hardcoded calendar images to css classes. <> || Redmine - Revision 3318: Fixed view_issues_move_bottom hook arguments (#4893). <>
13:55:03  <Ammler> XeryusTC: <-- = -> :=
13:57:36  *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
14:00:12  <planetmaker> XeryusTC, well. I didn't commit it to every repo, I have to admit
14:00:21  <planetmaker> especially not the example newgrf makefile ;-)
14:03:27  <planetmaker> Rubidium, closed or rejected removes an issue from the open list
14:03:35  <Rubidium> why doesn't resolved?
14:03:58  <Rubidium> doesn't resolved more imply that the issue doesn't need any more work?
14:04:01  <planetmaker> it's a status which is meant to be used by a reporter to say that the proposed solution works
14:04:04  <Ammler> resolved expect feedback
14:04:18  <Ammler> planetmaker: no
14:04:22  <Ammler> ah
14:04:26  <planetmaker> and close / reject by the maintainers
14:05:11  <Rubidium> oh, then I like flyspray more w.r.t. closing bugs / updating the state
14:05:19  <planetmaker> sure, it could be changed... But actually I wouldn't have any reporter be able to close issues from the list :-)
14:05:21  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenSFX - Code Review #752 (Closed): Some build system patch from Debian <" target="_blank">> || OpenSFX - Code Review #752 (Resolved): Some build system patch from Debian <" target="_blank">> || OpenSFX - Code Review #752 (Closed): Some build system patch from Debian <>
14:05:41  <Ammler> Rubidium: it is configurable at all ;-)
14:05:42  <planetmaker> Rubidium, it's up to you (or rather us here) to decide which wording closes issues from the open list and what not
14:06:04  <planetmaker> I can at FS also only request closure
14:06:20  <Rubidium> planetmaker: true
14:06:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: reporter can't set it to "resolved", I would assume
14:06:45  <Rubidium> but 'resolved (can be closed now)' is way way way clearer than just 'resolved'
14:06:53  <Ammler>
14:07:04  <planetmaker> Rubidium, got a point with that
14:07:31  <Rubidium> <- here resolved is fixed/closed
14:08:00  <Rubidium> Ammler: yay for 403 workflows :)
14:08:07  <planetmaker> :-D
14:08:13  <planetmaker> Ammler, admin only, I guess ;-)
14:08:52  <Ammler> well, wrong page anyway
14:08:59  <planetmaker>
14:09:19  <Rubidium> that's the same page :)
14:09:25  <planetmaker> :-P
14:11:18  <planetmaker> <-- like that, Rubidium
14:12:24  <Ammler> non-members can only "reopen" a ticket
14:14:53  <planetmaker> he... But the issue state names must be without either space or backets
14:15:12  <Ammler> for example, if pm opens a ticket, I let him also close it to be sure, he is fine with my change
14:15:22  <Ammler> so I set it resolved
14:15:39  <Ammler> (if I made the "work")
14:15:57  <planetmaker> Ammler, you would rather set it to 'feedback', I to 'resolved' and you then to 'closed' ;-)
14:16:20  <planetmaker> close = person doing the work in my understanding
14:16:27  <Ammler> if you open the door, you close it, don't you?
14:16:46  <planetmaker> nope. I couldn't, if I wasnt' a project contributor
14:17:24  <Ammler> i.e. a reporter can close a ticket, but not resolve it, afaik
14:18:21  <planetmaker> uh?
14:18:59  <planetmaker> The other way around, I'd say. But it depends upon how you understand 'resolve'. I understand it as 'declare resolved'
14:19:15  <planetmaker> not as actively resolve something. That's the maintainers job
14:19:23  <planetmaker> +'
14:20:04  <Ammler> then you might see it like Rubi
14:20:09  <Ammler> I see it like Redmine :-P
14:20:11  <Rubidium> so resolved on feedback basically means: "the patch you posted works" and closed means "the fix has been commited"
14:20:39  <Ammler> depense on the review
14:20:48  <Ammler> do you review before or after commit?
14:21:49  <Rubidium> yes
14:21:59  <Ammler> I wouldn't "bind" it to the commit state
14:22:29  <Ammler> rather to the workflow, you can resolve a issue with submit a patch to the issue or commit
14:23:20  <Ammler> afaik, devs weren't able to "close" ticket in the default workflow
14:23:36  <Ammler> only reporters and managers
14:24:01  <Rubidium> ah, so it's intended for use in a company where some manager needs to review stuff
14:24:16  <Ammler> I guess so
14:24:39  <Ammler> well, not really sure anymore, what the default workflow were
14:24:45  <planetmaker> <Rubidium> so resolved on feedback basically means: "the patch you posted works" and closed means "the fix has been commited" <-- that's how I understand it to work here
14:25:27  <Ammler> I see it like I have done the work and want feedback
14:25:27  <planetmaker> though a commit which mentions the issue # appropriately will close it (seems like FS also works)
14:25:53  <Ammler> but sometimes, I don't need feedback, so I close it right away.
14:26:15  <Ammler> feedback also means review...
14:27:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: on startup, we set it to resolved and 90% :-)
14:27:44  <Ammler> you need a keyword to close the issue
14:27:44  <planetmaker> too much hassle
14:27:52  <Ammler> else it just "links"
14:28:00  <planetmaker> yes, I know :-)
14:28:13  <planetmaker> fixes,closes,fix,close,bug,fixed,feature
14:28:20  <planetmaker> ^ one of those
14:28:39  <planetmaker> refs,references,Issue,add,updated,part of,part,* <-- for reference
14:28:42  <Ammler> feature might be one of those which should just go to resolved
14:29:00  <Ammler> well, * :-)
14:29:12  <planetmaker> :-P
14:30:14  <Ammler> Rubidium: you don't "autoclose" on FS, do you?
14:30:34  <planetmaker> My bet is they do. The time interval is too close
14:31:55  <Ammler> I think, the don't, the text differs
14:32:52  <planetmaker> Nah, they just can add a custom command to closed issues, like we can also.
14:33:05  <planetmaker> s/command/text/
14:33:30  <Ammler> we can?
14:33:39  <planetmaker> I can edit any closed issue
14:33:49  <Ammler> ah, indeed
14:33:52  <planetmaker> mr_unknown can't.
14:34:10  <Rubidium> we don't have autoclose
14:34:20  <planetmaker> really? That surprises me :-)
14:34:29  <Ammler> they are just fast :-P
14:34:36  <planetmaker> yeah, indeed
14:35:32  <Rubidium> FS is just not slow :)
14:35:40  <planetmaker> :-P
14:36:21  <planetmaker> Well... I like it, though, that I can commit and close at the same time, if I know the ticket number
14:37:17  <planetmaker> it could be changed to change the ticket status to anything we desire though. But it'd be a global setting for the whole DevZone.
14:40:56  <Rubidium> yeah, but it requires some linking between the two
14:41:07  <Rubidium> which is non-trivial and means local modifications
14:41:13  <Rubidium> and those we, like orudge, rather avoid
14:43:06  <planetmaker> understandably, makes maintenance a hassle.
14:43:46  <planetmaker> Might have been thinkable though that FS offers this linkage natively. ;-)
14:44:04  <planetmaker> And I never could be bothered to look into FS internals too deeply.
14:46:52  *** welshdragon has quit IRC
14:49:38  <planetmaker> especially after I was told that it is not maintained anymore ;-)
14:50:14  <Rubidium> it's more or less maintained like OpenSFX I think
14:50:27  *** yorick has quit IRC
14:51:06  <planetmaker> thrown together and then only sporadically something changed?
14:51:39  <planetmaker> or written and then declared "done"?
14:52:11  <planetmaker> (I prefer neither description really wrt OpenSFX)
14:52:11  <Rubidium> written and then working on a 1.0.0 release but that's going incredibly horribly slow
14:54:27  <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't forget a .hgignore for openmsx
14:55:10  *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
14:55:26  <planetmaker> he, yeah, that's a good description
14:55:36  <planetmaker> hm, .hgignore. yes, also :-)
14:55:55  <Rubidium> there is some progress on FS (i.e. it's not totally unmaintained, the pace is just dead slow)
15:01:58  <planetmaker> he...
15:02:18  <planetmaker> the "it works" phenomenon
15:07:04  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenMSX - Revision 3: Add: .hgignore might be useful <>
15:08:20  *** Frankr has quit IRC
15:08:45  *** Frankr has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
15:11:25  <Ammler> planetmaker: .renum dir is a local issue
15:11:42  <planetmaker> is it?
15:12:02  <planetmaker> hm, but there's no point in OpenMsx for it anyway
15:12:05  <Ammler> well, it might be useful, as some have buggy local configs
15:12:29  <Ammler> pm, like DS_Store and Thumb.db
15:12:52  <planetmaker> hm, yes... Could be. Should be.
15:13:03  <Ammler> if I have a mac are windows, I would add those to my local global .hgignore
15:13:14  <Ammler> or*
15:13:15  <planetmaker> it's not generated by the repo. Yes.
15:13:42  <planetmaker> Those entries originate from a time when I didn't know about the global .hgignore ;-)
15:14:26  <Ammler> anyway, those might be helpful for people not configuring their local hg properly
15:14:36  <Ammler> and than use hg addremove
15:14:55  * planetmaker despises addremove
15:15:00  <Ammler> I saw that on WAS :-)
15:15:30  * planetmaker also never used it. And never advocated it even for some thought ease of use
15:15:35  <Frankr> ?? Ammler
15:17:01  <Frankr> i use hg add and then hg remove seperately
15:17:27  <Ammler> Frankr: that is fine :-P
15:17:33  <Frankr> or hg rename, faddy otoh i don't think did and messed the repo up, i need to look at it
15:18:26  <Frankr> but my edition has so many changes i don't want to push atm as they are incomplete additions
15:18:48  <Frankr> so i don't think WAS has worked for the last week regards nightlies, :(
15:18:55  <Ammler> check my ugly commits r57-61
15:20:21  <Frankr> yh, i remember
15:20:53  <Frankr> :)
16:08:27  *** DJNekkid has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
16:08:37  <planetmaker> Moin DJNekkid
16:09:09  <planetmaker> Do you know actually who drew which trains / sprites within the 2cctrainset?
16:09:45  <planetmaker> and... I wonder about the title of the mail ;-) - I expected a different number :-P
16:10:00  <Ammler> planetmaker: if not, afaik, you need to ask at least Coyote
16:10:35  <Ammler> DanMacK has PublicDomain so that is fine
16:10:35  <planetmaker> who's coyote?
16:10:44  <Ammler> willy e coyoate
16:10:51  <Ammler> the serbian set guy
16:11:01  <planetmaker> ah, that guy :-)
16:11:02  <Ammler> made the waggons, afaik
16:11:41  <planetmaker> right... But he's not in the recipients list (or I don't see it as it's limited to 5 people only as I found out)
16:12:06  <Frankr> DJNekkid
16:12:42  <Ammler>
16:12:49  <Frankr> I only caught part of what you said about your Leaseback idea, i'm quite interested but what do you mean exactly?
16:13:24  <planetmaker> right.
16:13:32  <Ammler> you need tt-forums nick?
16:13:35  <planetmaker> Btw, DJNekkid: you should change project co-ordinator to your name
16:15:03  <planetmaker> Frankr, running costs += purchase price / 3 for the first 3 years
16:15:58  <planetmaker> Ammler, aren't those the tt-forum nicks?
16:16:27  <Ammler> no idea, refer to "not in the recipients list"
16:17:09  <planetmaker> no, I mean those mentioned in the link you gave? Their tt-forum names at least are not much different from the name as displayed there.
16:17:38  <planetmaker> there's bastiaan and BlueEagle_nl on the recipient's list
16:17:56  <planetmaker> dunno if either is snail, but I guess not
16:18:06  <Ammler> hmm, remove me from that list on next readme update ;-)
16:18:24  <planetmaker> why?
16:18:56  <Ammler> I only did a a bit superbus coding, iirc
16:19:10  <Ammler> and that will be gone on v2, I assume
16:19:40  <planetmaker> you have 26 commits, which is about 5%
16:19:49  <Ammler> :-D
16:20:18  <planetmaker> @calc 26/458
16:20:18  <Webster> planetmaker: 0.056768558952
16:20:31  <planetmaker> @calc 174/458
16:20:31  <Webster> planetmaker: 0.379912663755
16:20:54  <planetmaker> @calc 249/458
16:20:54  <Webster> planetmaker: 0.543668122271
16:21:03  <planetmaker> who's the rest, though? ;-)
16:21:47  <Ammler>
16:22:03  <planetmaker> Hm, five by hirundo, 3 more by DJ, one by me and one by you.
16:23:36  <planetmaker> @calc 10/458
16:23:36  <Webster> planetmaker: 0.0218340611354
16:23:57  <planetmaker> @calc 10+249+174+26
16:23:57  <Webster> planetmaker: 459
16:24:17  <planetmaker> :-D I didn't count r0
16:25:00  <Rubidium> all those duplicates
16:25:09  <planetmaker> quite ugly, yeah
16:26:36  <Ammler> yeah, sadly, it doesn't respect the user mapping
16:26:51  <planetmaker> where can I see the user mapping?
16:27:18  <Ammler>
16:27:49  <planetmaker> ah, thx. I never saw such page before :-)
16:28:18  <Ammler> settings -> Repository -> users
16:28:57  <planetmaker> did you report that to redmine already? (I assume so)
16:29:20  <Ammler> [17:23] <Ammler> the repository stats should respect the user mapping
16:29:40  <Ammler> maybe I should check the tickets ;-)
16:31:14  <planetmaker>
16:31:16  <Webster> Title: Redmine - Feature #2624: Repository statistics should honour user-mapping - Redmine (at
16:31:28  <planetmaker> still open as feature request
16:32:25  <Rubidium> noes... the opensfx nightly failed!
16:32:31  <planetmaker> :-O
16:32:44  <Rubidium> why doesn't the CF tell that anymore?
16:33:20  * Rubidium pleads "not guilty" for the CF failage
16:34:00  <planetmaker> oh... and it's even down on the list :S
16:34:03  * Rubidium blames whoever changed the CF and did not install catcodec
16:34:21  <planetmaker> trali tralla
16:34:30  <Rubidium> yes, I only noticed because I saw the last modified date was a few days ago and the top release wasn't
16:35:52  <planetmaker> sorting should possibly be by date and not alphabetically...
16:37:09  <Ammler> nothing changed, just no irc bot anymore
16:37:22  <Ammler> and yes, forgot :'-(
16:37:22  <Rubidium> and just no catcodec
16:37:29  <planetmaker> I just installed it.
16:37:43  <planetmaker> Ammler, nice that it's available already via zypper :-)
16:37:43  <Ammler> zypper in catcodec
16:37:54  <planetmaker> sudo zypper install catcodec
16:39:02  <Ammler> currently, it doesn't autoupdate, only the "openttdcoop" package does.
16:39:12  <planetmaker> he. And CF won't run since there was no commit since the last run...
16:39:14  <planetmaker> strange
16:39:38  <Ammler> he, how do you run it?
16:39:57  <Ammler> then, it didn't fail
16:40:15  <planetmaker> ./ opensfx
16:40:47  <planetmaker> but the last version available is r69 while the repo is r71 (what it just told me in the error message)
16:40:50  <Ammler> then it does still make a zip?
16:40:57  <planetmaker> doesn't seem like
16:41:02  <planetmaker> at least not in bundles
16:41:19  <Ammler> the last zip should be like REV
16:41:44  <planetmaker> yeah
16:42:38  <Ammler> ah
16:42:48  <Ammler> it didn't fail because of bad commits :-P
16:42:54  <planetmaker> eh?
16:43:16  <Ammler> the cf does assume, you made bad commit
16:43:26  <planetmaker> yes.
16:43:37  <Ammler> just remove REV_ERROR from bundles
16:43:43  <planetmaker> REV needs deleting?
16:43:49  <Ammler> no REV_ERRors
16:43:51  <planetmaker> ok
16:44:47  <planetmaker> jo. working
16:45:59  <planetmaker> Ammler, can we make the web-output such that newest files are up?
16:46:04  <planetmaker> And not alphabetically?
16:46:15  <Ammler> yes, we could
16:46:18  <planetmaker> And / or announce compile failures here again?
16:46:28  <Ammler> ask KenjiE20 :-P
16:46:32  <planetmaker> :-P
16:46:53  <Ammler> hmm, we could create a ticket on failed compile
16:47:44  <planetmaker> good point
16:48:19  <planetmaker> Rubidium, thanks for telling :-)
16:48:31  <planetmaker> Current nightly of OpenSFX is now up
16:48:48  <Ammler> current, lol
16:48:56  <Ammler> well, it is.
16:49:09  <planetmaker> well... bad wording ;-)
17:35:32  <Frankr> can either of you help me on this point
17:36:13  <Frankr> i have defined this at the start    79 * 16	 04 03 FF 01 \wxd018 " Emirates" 00
17:37:02  <Frankr> and i want to implement this inside another text     -1 * 0   04 03 FF 01 \wxd0AA "Liveries: \d0 00" 00
17:38:28  <Frankr> well for a start i've just realised the 00 inside the "" shouldn't be there, but it still doesn't want to work
17:50:51  <DJNekkid> sorry, i were afk until now
17:51:06  <Frankr> hello DJNekkid
17:51:21  <DJNekkid> but planetmaker; no, i do not know who drew what train...
17:51:25  <DJNekkid> in general
17:51:32  <DJNekkid> all engines and mus by purno
17:51:40  <DJNekkid> steamers by snail and danmack
17:51:47  <DJNekkid> pax wagons by purno
17:51:54  <DJNekkid> and other wagons ... i dunno tbh
17:52:04  <DJNekkid> danmack i _think_
17:53:09  <planetmaker> the readme says coyote
17:53:31  <planetmaker> the serbian guy
17:54:40  <DJNekkid> then i assume thats true ... not me that made the readme
17:57:08  <DJNekkid> :D
17:57:31  <Frankr> :(
17:58:09  <planetmaker> Frankr, if you have the solution, please show me :-)
17:58:22  * planetmaker is now off for the evening
17:58:24  <Frankr> i don't
17:58:44  <DJNekkid> what is it that you are trying to add Frankr ?
17:58:47  <Frankr> it just keeps saying text id D0 18 not known
17:58:48  <DJNekkid> P-list text?
17:59:17  <DJNekkid> but what the crap is \d0 00 ?
17:59:39  <Frankr> it should be \d0
17:59:45  <DJNekkid> either way, what is that?
18:00:00  <Frankr> the Emirates livery name
18:00:10  <DJNekkid> oh ... you are trying stacks ?
18:00:37  <Frankr> yh
18:00:51  <DJNekkid> i thought that were a var2
18:02:19  <Frankr>
18:02:28  <Frankr> that is where i got it from
18:04:02  <DJNekkid> hmm
18:04:04  <DJNekkid> let me see
18:04:13  <Frankr> maybe it isn't openttd
18:04:59  <DJNekkid> it is!
18:05:22  <Frankr> ok, :)
18:10:23  <Frankr> it still doesn't want to work, wierd
18:12:26  <DJNekkid> hmmmmm!
18:15:58  <Frankr> hmm indeed DJ i don't think it is possible
18:19:21  <DJNekkid> hmm
18:19:47  <DJNekkid> but as i saied, i _think_ there might be a Var2 that does it
18:20:17  <DJNekkid> but andythenorth might be your man on this
18:21:17  <Frankr> ok, i'll ask him if he knows when he is online
18:21:42  <Frankr> it isn't necessary it would just mean a loads less work
18:22:36  <DJNekkid> yup...
18:23:02  <DJNekkid> well, not neccesarily
18:27:13  <Frankr> I've looked into your leaseback idea is it some kind of Action D
18:27:49  <DJNekkid> leaseback?
18:28:11  <Frankr> your idea yesterday
18:28:40  <Frankr> leasing of aircraft i thought
18:28:48  <DJNekkid> yes...
18:29:05  <DJNekkid> in my head i thought of two variants for all aircraft
18:29:10  <DJNekkid> but one of them cost alot less
18:29:14  <DJNekkid> but cost alot more to run
18:29:25  <DJNekkid> but only for a limited period of time
18:30:02  <DJNekkid> lets say 3 or 5 years
18:30:20  <DJNekkid> and after that it have a normal running cost
18:31:47  <Frankr> would that be a parameter
18:32:05  <Frankr> or would you have 2 seperate planes
18:32:39  <DJNekkid> 2 separate planes
18:36:17  <Frankr> that would mean alot of planes
18:36:58  <DJNekkid> but the two variants should be just underneeth eachother
18:37:16  <DJNekkid> and 99% of all code can be reused for both planes
18:38:12  <Frankr> true
18:38:29  <Frankr> how many planes can we have again
18:38:46  <DJNekkid> probably too few :P
18:38:53  <DJNekkid> and with too long model life
18:42:58  <Frankr> lol
18:44:40  <Frankr> the only problem i foresee with that DJ will be the running costs
18:47:05  <Frankr> I will have to increase the general base cost
18:56:14  <DJNekkid> good point
18:56:28  <DJNekkid> i keep forgetting that only trains can change running costbase
18:57:50  <Ammler> oh DJNekkid, what a nice image yesterday :-)
18:58:07  <Ammler> just saw again
19:00:14  <Frankr> no DJNekkid planes can change running cost base
19:00:50  <Frankr> just if they were really high then there would be less contrast at the bottom of the running costing
19:17:17  <DJNekkid> Ammler: nice image?
19:17:30  <DJNekkid> Frankr: i know :)
19:17:38  <DJNekkid> low resolution :)
19:17:58  <Frankr> need your word sized costs DJ
19:18:03  <Frankr> :)
19:18:11  <DJNekkid> thats what i've saied! :D
19:19:03  <DJNekkid> with word size one can have a resolution of 100£ per value, with a max of 6,5 mill :)
19:21:14  <DJNekkid> or 50 and 3,25mill :)
19:22:03  <Frankr> which would be perfect
19:22:50  <DJNekkid> aye
19:24:44  <Frankr> btw i've read while looking into the text, if it was possible to create new action 0's, i.e. range
19:25:18  <Frankr> just an idea should, i possibly put this in for later use or just leave it
19:26:42  <Frankr> so all the data is ready for people to see just it wouldn't be implemented in anyway obviously
19:27:55  <DJNekkid> that is good!
19:28:02  <DJNekkid> _sometime_ we might get it :)
19:28:48  <Frankr> i thought it could be quite useful for people anyway, as a guide
19:29:09  <DJNekkid> indeed!
19:29:12  <Frankr> if they want they have a rough idea how far it can go compared to others
19:29:21  <Frankr> :)
19:29:28  <DJNekkid> you can also add it as a purchase list text?
19:29:40  <Frankr> yh
19:30:17  <Frankr> :)
19:35:55  <DJNekkid> Frankr: look at FS#3641
19:36:18  <Frankr> ok
19:37:32  <Frankr> :)
19:42:45  <DJNekkid> hmm, i think i might go to outer space now :)
19:44:32  <Frankr> lol
19:44:56  <Frankr> i may ask about my problem on #openttd see if they know anything more
19:47:22  <DJNekkid> you do that!
20:01:11  <Frankr> DJNekkid: Well Yexo is looking into it atm so i think i will know for sure if it can actually work
20:01:57  <PeterT> @wiki devzone
20:01:59  <Webster> Search results for "devzone" - #openttdcoop Wiki -
20:05:07  <DJNekkid> goodie :)
20:11:31  <Frankr> well Yexo solved it
20:12:17  <Frankr> Just ignore the error DJ
20:13:12  <Frankr> Stupid me for assuming that it wouldn't work
20:13:22  <Frankr> Oh well
20:15:10  <DJNekkid> okidoki :)
20:21:37  <DJNekkid> tell me if it works
20:28:27  <Frankr> well frosch has just updated me
20:35:57  <Frankr> DJNekkid fixed properly now
20:36:21  <Frankr> -1 * 0 04 03 FF 01 \wxd0AA "Liveries: \d4" 00
20:36:44  <Frankr> have to change the d0 to d4 when using 81 and 80
20:43:03  <Frankr> planetmaker: ^^ for solution
20:49:07  <DJNekkid> 15ish mins from a new possible norwegian gold... ttyl
20:51:02  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Feature #754 (New): Add Liveries for each Plane in P-List <>
20:52:43  <Frankr> nice Dj
20:55:47  <Ammler> DJNekkid: doesn't look like, sorry :-(
20:56:18  <Ammler> but a thriller for silver
20:56:39  <DJNekkid> it did at the time :)
20:56:46  <Ammler> yeah
20:57:04  <Ammler> well, 30 mins ago, we had chance for brozne :-P
20:57:12  <DJNekkid> hehe
20:57:40  <Frankr> :p
20:57:53  <DJNekkid> the question is what Petter can do with the other two medals
20:58:18  <DJNekkid> yea!
20:58:25  <DJNekkid> hes streight behind now!!!!!!!!
20:58:30  <Ammler> yeah, I hope you get it, as you will lose one in curling
20:58:42  <DJNekkid> i cant promise the pants will...
21:00:44  <DJNekkid> well...
21:01:02  <Ammler> grat
21:01:06  <DJNekkid> Northug took 20sec on the sweedish nr1 guy on thoose 10km.)
21:01:59  <Ammler> so then we wait for 15km on sunday...
21:02:03  <DJNekkid> 50
21:02:15  <Ammler> he, yeah :-)
21:03:17  <Ammler> sadly, it finished to sow that fast
21:03:28  <DJNekkid> sow?
21:03:33  <Ammler> snow
21:03:42  <DJNekkid> well...
21:03:52  <DJNekkid> the norwegian "loss" were on the 2nd leg
21:04:00  <DJNekkid> he did get some ice in the "rub" or something :)
21:04:04  <Ammler> the old man :-)
21:04:13  <DJNekkid> 38! :D
21:05:26  *** Seberoth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
21:13:00  *** welshdragon has joined #openttdcoop.devzone
21:20:00  <Ammler> PeterT: big giant ready to lose against little dwarf?
21:22:43  <PeterT> Hmm?
21:22:49  <PeterT> Ammler?
21:25:58  <Ammler> PeterT: hockey us-ch
21:26:08  <PeterT> we will own you!
21:26:13  <PeterT> Not really, I hate hockey
21:26:17  <PeterT> I don't really care
21:26:23  <PeterT> in-fact, good luck to you!
21:26:29  <Ammler> :-)
21:26:38  <Ammler> we need a bit more than luck :-P
21:26:51  <Ammler> but still 0:0 after 2
21:26:55  <PeterT> 2?
21:27:06  <PeterT> Sorry, not familiar with Hockey
21:27:11  <PeterT> I'm not Canadian
21:27:44  <Seberoth> Hi Ammler :)
21:58:40  *** ODM has quit IRC
23:06:43  *** Seberoth has quit IRC
23:15:27  <planetmaker> @base 16 10 228
23:15:27  <Webster> planetmaker: 552
23:15:31  <planetmaker> @base 16 10 228
23:15:31  <Webster> planetmaker: 552
23:15:33  <planetmaker> @base 16 10 628
23:15:33  <Webster> planetmaker: 1576
23:15:35  <planetmaker> @calc base 16 10 628
23:15:35  <planetmaker> ...
23:18:26  <planetmaker> @base 16 10 85
23:18:26  <Webster> planetmaker: 133
23:28:44  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: MiniGRFs - Revision 3: Add: Presets for Base Costs Mod <>
23:43:50  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: MiniGRFs - Revision 4: Add: BaseCosts Table from Luukland <>
23:54:20  *** welshdragon has quit IRC

Powered by YARRSTE version: svn-trunk