Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 21st May 2010:
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04:50:01  <planetmaker> [06:39]	<Ammler>	[01:41:18]  <-- specially the repository view <-- nice :-)
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07:23:25  <Ammler> planetmaker: not that bad with the hashes as I thought
07:23:30  <Ammler> the revision number still works
07:23:41  <planetmaker> good morning :-)
07:23:51  <planetmaker> yeah, I looked at the new... page. Looks fine
07:24:13  <Ammler> or
07:24:35  <Ammler> yeah, morning...
07:25:27  <Ammler> also did you notice the tags menu?
07:25:53  <Ammler> and file size now works without workcopy
07:26:02  <planetmaker> hm, not yet :-) Let's look
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07:26:16  <Ammler> I guess, there would also be a branch repo
07:26:42  <Ammler>
07:26:49  <Ammler> with branches ^
07:30:07  <planetmaker> ah, I only now found those two :-)
07:31:25  <planetmaker> handy :-)
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07:43:05  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Feature #662: Rework trains <>
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11:07:28  <Ammler> wouldn't it make sense to make also a src package for nightlies?
11:11:50  <planetmaker> well, yes and no
11:23:05  <Ammler> what is "no"?
11:28:31  <Rubidium> the inverse of "yes"?
11:29:25  <planetmaker> it makes sense as in 'it is proper'. It doesn't make sense as in 'will probably not be used' and those people who want the nightly source could checkout the repo itself
11:30:14  <Ammler> or
11:31:22  <Ammler> or<rev>.tar.bz2
11:31:51  <planetmaker> It might make sense probably to offer only the newest source as tar.
11:31:57  <planetmaker> what do you think?
11:32:32  <Ammler> I think, we can announce the hg archive as source link for non-release...
11:32:46  <Ammler> shouldn't be a big issue, if the revision doesn't match
11:32:54  <Ammler> it is like norev-0000 in openttd
11:33:40  <planetmaker> make bundle_src should work in anycase, release or not
11:33:42  <Ammler> how do you "force" revision with your makefile framework?
11:33:56  <planetmaker> I write a Makefile.local which sets explicitly the revision
11:34:20  <Ammler> mäh planetmaker, if we don't have a source package, there is no Makefile.local
11:34:33  <planetmaker> yes, there is
11:34:35  <Ammler> the hg archive doesn't have one
11:34:50  <planetmaker> yes, it doesn't. But make bundle_src creates one
11:34:58  <planetmaker> For this very purpose
11:35:12  <Ammler> yep, but my question was, if we should use that and I thought, we agreed on not using it for nightlies :-P
11:35:13  <planetmaker> Or I modify Makefile.def. Dunno anymore
11:35:22  <planetmaker> eh?
11:35:30  <Ammler> [13:07] <Ammler> wouldn't it make sense to make also a src package for nightlies?
11:35:38  <planetmaker> Why would you not use it for nightlies? - if you want to ship the source?
11:35:52  <planetmaker> not using it when shipping the source is stupid
11:35:54  <Ammler> so you want to ship it?
11:36:02  <Ammler> I thought, we won't :-P
11:36:47  <Ammler> <-- this source package is made by mercurial directly
11:37:23  <planetmaker> I don't think we need to ship the source
11:38:03  <planetmaker> But if you think we *should* ship. _Then_ we should use the makefile
11:38:17  <planetmaker> We should _never_ use another method to ship the source
11:40:24  <Ammler> example how patch queue should work:
11:40:35  <Ammler>
11:55:29  <planetmaker> I'll look at that. Next to the full gui rework repo I'll maintain a parallel mq repo with the same purpose. But things split-up into nice patches for easier trunk-integration
12:00:29  <Rubidium> is it me or can't I see the commits from the mq in the normal repository?
12:00:58  <Ammler> why should you?
12:01:08  <planetmaker> I didn't commit any patches yet in the gui repo
12:01:27  <Rubidium> for it to be useful in the CF
12:02:31  <Ammler> the patches aren't the main repo history, that is all about patch queue
12:02:49  <Ammler> but you can for example annotate a file and see which parts are patched
12:03:42  <Ammler> the patch queue itself is a own repo
12:03:54  <Ammler> (own history)
12:06:03  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 530: Fix/ReAdd: Chimaera <>
12:06:06  <Ammler> <-- I run hg qpop -a and it looks like vanilla trunk
12:07:57  <Ammler> ugly 2cc repo back, well I keep silent...
12:08:28  <Ammler> just stupid, sorry.
12:10:15  <planetmaker> psst. :-) Silence includes to not say that one is silent
12:10:42  <Ammler> I meant, I keep silent to DJN
12:10:58  <Ammler> but somewhere I need to give my thoughts some output :-P
12:11:02  <planetmaker> :-P
12:12:00  <Ammler> I really would like to help him fixing the repo, but he seems to completely got me wrong :'-(
12:14:16  <Ammler> I thought, he likes to cleanup 2cc for v2, now it just a big mess...
12:14:27  <Ammler> is*
12:14:48  <planetmaker> yes, it is
12:14:58  <planetmaker> I thought also that he'd like it
12:15:05  <planetmaker> obviously that's wrong
12:15:17  <planetmaker> and he doesn't care as soon as he has to take care of that himself
12:15:38  <Ammler> well, I never said, I wouldn't help...
12:16:09  <planetmaker> I honestly don't feel like doing all the cleanup always either :-) when advice like this is ignored ;-)
12:16:43  <Ammler> but now, it is useless to rollback/strip the ugly commits, if he then pushes again the mess
12:21:54  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Feature #49 (Closed): automatically warn, if translations are not up2date <>
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12:52:41  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 533: Added tag 2.0-beta1 for changeset 9f988d0d9048 <> || 2cc train set - Revision 532: 2.0-beta1 <> || 2cc train set - Revision 531: Added tag 2.0-beta1 for changeset 4c4e2c622759 <>
13:03:01  <Ammler> :'-(
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14:51:30  <Frankr> Ammler: Are you there
14:51:49  <Ammler> Frankr: yes, I am
14:52:20  <Ammler> again, don't do that please, no useless highlight
14:53:04  <Frankr> Hello, sorry i just got told that WAS hasn't compiled in months
14:53:16  <Ammler> it did yesterday :-)
14:53:31  <Frankr> and saw that you had done an entry at the end and i was gunna ask if you had fixed it
14:53:41  <Ammler> you guys don't read/check your tickets :-P
14:53:58  <Frankr> :) , thanks i don't believe it was me, :)
14:54:19  <Frankr> if it was uni took over and i have been rediculously busy, thank you ammler
14:54:40  <Ammler> that is no excuse if you still continue committing
14:54:50  <Frankr> i didn''t
14:55:02  <Ammler> and you could also just answer in the ticket, that you are busy...
14:55:10  <Ammler> well, FaddyPainter
14:55:19  <Ammler> FaddyPainter does ignore emails
14:56:11  <Frankr> well that is nothing i can do but i will tell him now
14:56:20  <Rubidium> so now Ammler's highlighting FaddyPainter... bad boy :)
14:56:41  <Frankr> lol, tha was if he ever came on IRC
14:57:25  <Ammler> how should I highlight him? :-P
14:57:38  <Ammler> Frankr: E-Mail?
14:57:52  <Frankr> you can email me
14:58:12  <Ammler> he?
14:58:15  <Frankr> i don't know whether Faddy checks his emails
14:58:50  <Ammler> why should I care, I just complain here... :-)
14:59:05  <Frankr> ok, :)
14:59:13  <Ammler> emails are sent by the devzone
14:59:42  <Frankr> Is there anyway to set it up so it the dev fails to send me an email?
14:59:47  <Ammler> FaddyPainter could for example close the 2 tickets I just openend :-)
15:00:13  <Ammler> well, set your mail settings that way
15:00:39  <Ammler>
15:02:14  <Frankr> cheers
15:06:03  <Frankr> all set up now so i will get notifications about everything on WAS so it should happen again, :)
15:06:39  <Ammler> fine, then I might setup to create the ticket automatically on failed compile
15:07:02  <Ammler> you might also ask FaddyPainter to setup a "better" Email address (could be hidden)
15:07:34  <Ammler> or set to the whitelist
15:10:14  <Frankr> i am currently doin so, :0
15:10:21  <Frankr> :)
15:13:01  <Frankr> Are you moving away from the old site now, by the way
15:13:30  <Ammler> old site?
15:13:45  <Frankr>
15:14:01  <Frankr> without the new on it
15:14:08  <Ammler> you like to rename to was or worldairlinerset?
15:15:29  <Frankr> Just asking them now
15:15:31  <Ammler> new is just a patched redmine with same data
15:15:58  <Frankr> ah
15:16:01  <Ammler> we can keep the old url and rewrite
15:16:50  <Ammler> also it is now possible to push without ssh
15:17:09  <Frankr> really
15:17:38  <Ammler> https://<user>:<pw><project>
15:17:39  <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r528 to r533 done (1 errors) -
15:18:07  <Brot6> firs: update from r833 to r834 done (1 errors) -
15:18:08  <planetmaker> @ Rubidium - that as test map for a small one? :-)
15:18:26  <Frankr> Cool
15:18:27  <Brot6> fish: update from r367 to r370 done (1 errors) -
15:18:28  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a update: 32bpp-extra (r33), airportsplus (r48), bros (r10), comic-houses (r69), heqs (r318), nmts (r15), nutracks (r59), opensfx (r88), snowlinemod (r10)
15:19:20  <Frankr> the team decided to keep it as WorldAirlinersSet Ammler
15:19:21  <planetmaker> s/small/elongated/
15:19:40  <Ammler> Frankr: but it isn't :-P
15:19:51  <Ammler> it is WorldAirlineSet
15:20:08  <Ammler> that is why asked dude
15:20:16  <Frankr> really i never noticed that, :)
15:20:24  <Frankr> Yh please then can you change it
15:23:08  <planetmaker> hm, why is WorldAirlineS wrong?
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15:23:31  <planetmaker> or WorldAirlineRS?
15:23:48  <Ammler> it is more than one Airline :-)
15:24:09  <Frankr> :), Ammler Faddy would like to know your email address
15:24:20  <planetmaker> look at redmine ;-)
15:24:32  <Ammler> he doesn't need mine, we need a working addresse from him :-P
15:24:38  <planetmaker> every registered person has an e-mail there
15:24:39  <Frankr> I don't know why like
15:24:44  <Ammler> yes, my address is public there
15:25:44  <Frankr> I wish he would just come on here rather than use me as a go between
15:26:16  <planetmaker> it always needs two to that end ;-)
15:26:31  <Rubidium> planetmaker: jeez... the amount of duplicate secondary industries on that map
15:26:41  <planetmaker> Rubidium: they will die
15:26:49  <Rubidium> just south of litomenice
15:26:51  <planetmaker> But it's just random industry generation in the scenario editor
15:26:59  <planetmaker> no manual placement
15:27:02  <Rubidium> 8 steel mills
15:27:11  <Frankr> Ammler/Planetmaker is there anyway you can send Faddy an pw refrsh for his account, he just says it isn't working
15:27:31  <planetmaker> well, yeah... Rubidium , but we'll use one only anyway :-)
15:27:36  <Rubidium> and quite a number of farms has already died
15:27:39  <planetmaker> The rest will die out
15:27:44  <planetmaker> has died?
15:27:50  <planetmaker> Unlikely.
15:28:02  <Rubidium> e.g. the northern most farm
15:28:03  <Ammler> Frankr: sent
15:28:06  <planetmaker> I only deleted industry in three spots: very edges and somewhere in the centre
15:28:14  <planetmaker> the fields just didn't vanish since
15:28:16  <Ammler> but he uses a hotmail addres
15:28:19  <planetmaker> they were died ;-)
15:28:40  <planetmaker> I did that so that actually there is some guaranteed space for stations ;-)
15:29:01  <Frankr> thanks, yh he has realised it started to send everythin to junk a month or so bk
15:29:07  <planetmaker> Otherwise I'm sure that in 2 game days no industry died ;-)
15:29:08  <Frankr> so he has it sorted now
15:29:18  <Ammler> nice :-)
15:31:25  <Rubidium> planetmaker: anyhow, looks okay for a transport all along the map approach
15:31:48  <planetmaker> then it shall be one of the next ones :-)
15:32:01  <planetmaker> Testing the new 2cctrainset at the same time. I hope it works ;-)
15:32:04  <planetmaker> and nutracks
15:32:30  <planetmaker> I wonder how people will react to that :-)
15:32:39  <planetmaker> I guess it was never played this way on our server before :-)
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15:52:16  <Ammler> planetmaker: any idea, why the md5 file doesn't contain the version?
15:54:22  <Frankr> any1 after a small snack
15:54:23  <Webster> Title: Giant Gummi Bears - buy at (at
15:54:39  <Frankr> i know it isn't relevant just funny
15:54:51  <Ammler> hmm, igit
15:55:03  <planetmaker> Ammler: I simply don't write it into the file
15:55:06  <planetmaker> should I?
15:55:19  <Ammler> we had a reason at that time
15:55:56  <Ammler> but I guess, it is obsolete now
15:56:13  <Ammler> I think, it would be better with
15:56:22  <planetmaker> ...
15:56:27  <Ammler> tikcet :-P
15:56:40  <planetmaker> yes. And say _exactly_ what you mean. I'm not quite sure actually
16:03:25  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: 2cc train set - Revision 538: merge local heads <> || 2cc train set - Revision 537: Update: Norwegian translation <> || 2cc train set - Revision 536: Added tag Beta1 for changeset d960751ed673 <> || 2cc train set - Revision 535: Added tag beta1 for changeset e3ef4548fc7f <> || 2cc train set - Revision 534: Added tag beta1 for changeset 869dd0208d7b <>
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16:17:46  <Ammler> he doesn't join, because he knows, I would complain ;-)
16:37:12  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a update: nml (r171), ogfxplus (r18), opengfx (r457), openmsx (r57), worldairlineset (r643)
16:41:34  <planetmaker> oh well.
16:44:42  <Ammler> ?
16:44:47  <Ammler> ah
16:44:49  <Ammler> :-)
16:44:49  <PeterT> ?
16:44:50  <PeterT> ah
16:44:51  <PeterT> :-)
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16:48:50  <Ammler> Frankr: rename done...
16:49:17  <Frankr> thanks ammler
16:49:42  <PeterT> hi Frankr.
16:49:51  <Frankr> hey peter
16:50:01  <Frankr> mega still dead?
16:51:35  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Support #946 (Resolved): Rename worldairlineset -> worldairlinersset <" target="_blank">> || World Airliners Set - Support #946 (Resolved): Rename worldairlineset -> worldairlinersset <>
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16:55:36  <Frankr> closed now ammler
16:56:24  <Frankr> the initial link on the home page isn't right but apart from that from what i can see everything works
16:56:28  <Ammler> hmm :-)
16:57:00  <Ammler> Frankr: <-- you are manager
16:57:41  <Ammler> well, thanks to rewrite, they still work
16:57:55  <Ammler> also pull would still work
16:58:16  <Ammler> hmm, but you might get an push error
16:58:31  <Frankr> i mean
16:58:36  <Frankr> unless i can change that page?
16:58:37  <Ammler> I could solve that with symlink :-)
16:58:56  <Ammler> oh :-)
16:59:02  <Ammler> yes, that needs a rewrite too
17:02:31  <Ammler> ok, project rewrite fixed too
17:04:31  <Ammler> We need to update our docs, since you can push with https
17:07:22  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Bug #925 (Closed): Can't read sprites/pcx/boeing/b737-700/EasyJet.pcx: No s... <> || World Airliners Set - Bug #925: Can't read sprites/pcx/boeing/b737-700/EasyJet.pcx: No such file ... <>
17:08:08  <Frankr> ok
17:09:09  <Ammler> Frankr: try to push, please
17:10:45  <Ammler> (you can push without change)
17:11:28  <Frankr> yh one sec i have a few file problems, that is my fault
17:13:39  <Frankr> illegal repo
17:14:07  <Frankr> oh i need to change it to worldairlinersset
17:14:48  <Ammler> or use http
17:15:22  <Ammler> Frankr: maybe you comment that at the ticket I made
17:15:35  <Ammler> and tell it to the rest :-)
17:16:00  <Frankr> ok sure
17:18:03  <Frankr> hmm i don't know my username
17:18:58  <Ammler> username for?
17:19:14  <Frankr> https push
17:19:36  <Ammler> same as for redmine
17:21:17  <Ammler> you can save login data with url by https://<user>:<pw>@push.o.o/<project> in the hgrc
17:21:23  <Ammler> default-push
17:22:45  <Ammler> this way, you can add devs without us adding ssh keys...
17:23:14  <Ammler> they just need to be member (dev or manager) of your project
17:23:33  <Frankr> what is the hgrc?
17:23:50  <Ammler> that is the config file in .hg
17:24:02  <Ammler> where you have saved the ssh url
17:24:37  <Frankr> ah i see
17:25:33  <Ammler> you should use<project> for default and https://<user>:<pw>@push.o.o/<project> for default-push
17:25:50  <Ammler> then you have best performance
17:26:51  <Frankr> should i remove the ssh now then or just leave it?
17:27:14  <Ammler> we don't remove existing keys... (not now)
17:27:23  <Ammler> but we might not add new keys anymore
17:27:36  <Frankr> ok
17:27:54  <Ammler> so your ssh account will still work
17:27:59  <Ammler> up2you
17:28:15  <Ammler> (http is faster)
17:29:23  <Frankr> i have changed them accordingly
17:29:29  <Frankr> i'll follow advice
17:29:37  <Ammler> hehe :-)
17:29:54  <Ammler> as it is new, please give me feedback
17:31:02  <Frankr> i will do, :)
17:33:39  <Ammler>
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17:39:01  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Support #946: Rename worldairlineset -> worldairlinersset <>
17:44:48  <PeterT> Ammler: can I get your 1 tile tf patch?
17:45:07  <Ammler> yes, still available on same url
17:45:19  <PeterT>
17:45:20  <PeterT> ?
17:45:23  <Ammler> no
17:45:34  <Ammler> where did you get that url?
17:45:46  <Ammler> I am sure, I never posted it :-)
17:46:00  <Ammler> replace first stable with ps
17:46:23  <PeterT> I thought since you moved the server to
17:49:05  <Frankr> never assume
17:49:47  <PeterT> Thanks confucius.
17:49:58  <Frankr> np
17:51:31  <Ammler> stable is simply not configured for the webserver there
17:51:52  <Ammler> but we use stable, so wen can easier move it to an other server
17:52:08  <Ammler> and url keeps the same
17:52:27  <PeterT> ah
17:54:04  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: World Airliners Set - Support #947 (Assigned): New Features on Hg <>
18:11:42  <planetmaker> <-- nice brief overview :-)
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18:58:33  <andythenorth> evening
19:01:11  <Frankr> DJNekkid #bros
19:10:49  <DJ_Nekkid> thats an empty channel
19:10:55  <DJ_Nekkid> and; howdy andy
19:13:11  <Ammler> hg cat -rtip .hgtags | grep `hg tags | head -2 | tail -1 | cut -f2 -d:` | cut -f2 -d' '
19:13:23  <Ammler> someone a better method to get last tag?
19:33:29  <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: I know, you don't want my help anymore, but is it ok, if I use 2cc to test autorelease compile?
19:38:17  <Brot6> opengfx: update from 0.2.4 to r458 done -
19:38:27  <Ammler> hmm :-(
19:48:10  <yorick> hello Frankr
19:48:20  <Frankr> yorick
19:48:27  <yorick> that's my name
19:48:29  <Frankr> how are you
19:48:46  <yorick> I'm relatively normal
19:48:51  <Frankr> lol
19:49:19  <Frankr> what happened to the new clanmega website btw
19:50:17  <yorick> it seems like it went down
19:51:40  <yorick> MEH
19:52:01  <yorick> email #1: "oh you're invited to the party sunday, and we're going to do stuff you like"
19:52:04  <DJ_Nekkid> Ammler: sure! but please, cant we take this tomorrow or sunday? Its not that i dont want your help, but im omw to a gig in half an hour :)
19:52:24  <yorick> email #2: "never mind we're not and you can come but we'll probably going to do stuff you don't like"
19:52:36  <DJ_Nekkid> ttya at some point :P
19:53:15  <Ammler> well, it is nothing special
19:54:27  * yorick now feels less relatively normal and more relatively sad
19:56:42  <Ammler> just moving from old to new system...
19:57:01  <planetmaker> yorick: some people just didn't care enough ;-)
19:57:57  <planetmaker> Ammler: can you add your devzone files also to the newgrf makefile, please?
19:58:17  <yorick> I think that would result in trying to build that thing
19:58:20  <planetmaker> then the make release could be tested with that, too
19:58:26  <Ammler> you mean to the example project?
19:58:33  <planetmaker> I could actually tag it for once as 0.1 or so. yes
19:58:49  <planetmaker> the makefile project
19:58:57  <Ammler> well, let me finish the test with opengfx... :-)
19:59:00  <planetmaker> which produces a grf without content
19:59:09  <Brot6> opengfx: compile of 0.2.4 failed -
19:59:19  <planetmaker> hm :S
19:59:40  <Ammler> I should disable the IRC while testing...
20:00:43  <Ammler> ah, I see...
20:13:28  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: OpenGFX - Revision 458: DevZone: enable releases compile <>
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21:12:21  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r458 to 0.2.4 done -
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22:04:34  <Brot6> test: abort: push creates new remote heads!
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23:39:54  <Ammler> planetmaker: gone?
23:40:05  <Ammler> maybe you want to push a tag?
23:40:15  <Ammler> with enabled release building
23:40:34  <planetmaker> hm, I should prepare the changelog then :-)
23:43:11  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a releases update: test ()
23:43:45  <Ammler> oh, that could spam :-)
23:45:36  <Brot6> test: compile of Version1 failed -
23:49:14  <Webster> Latest update from devactivity: test - Revision 14: Added tag Version1 for changeset e15beaaf0d3b <> || test - Revision 13: JaJA <> || test - Revision 12: 5555 <> || test - Revision 11: 5555 <> || test - Revision 10: 5555 <> || test - Revision 9: 5555 <> || test - Revision 8: 5555 <> || test - Revision 7: 5555 <> || test - Revision 6: 5555 <> || test - Revision 5: 5555 <>
23:52:23  <Brot6> test: compile of Version1 failed -
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23:52:54  <Ammler> hmm
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