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10:20:22  <dih> \o/ ODM :-)
10:27:01  <dih> heh - reading made me think of a command to grapes
10:27:02  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - This player's thoughts on game settings for servers (at
10:27:31  <dih> if one implemented a 'more <vehicle type>' command, it could check the players company to see if that number at all needs increasing or not :-P
10:27:47  <dih> or constantly monitor that value and increase automatically
10:30:34  <dih> ODM, if you have a moment, could you have a look at the IRC stuff in berries and tell me if that is enough for you as an example on how to create plugins?
10:30:55  <ODM> will do
10:31:20  <dih> if possible, you could try that either today or tomorrow? then i get a chance to react to that ^^
10:31:40  <ODM> tbh, i doubt i have much time for that... exams kinda go first
10:32:02  <dih> of course they do, i just thought if you perhaps had a few mins spare ^^
10:32:15  <dih> else don't bother ;-)
10:32:22  <ODM> gonna have a look now:)
10:32:27  <dih> oh?
10:32:34  <dih> ok, i did not want to push you :-S
10:32:43  <ODM> noo its fine:)
10:32:55  <dih> cool :-)
10:33:03  <ODM> atleast want to see what you've made:)
10:35:23  <ODM> once i find the new mercurial project agian;D
10:36:21  <ODM> found:D
10:38:33  <dih> :-P
10:39:09  <dih> i setup hudson so that it will archive artefacts, so that they can be downloaded from the hudson tab in redmine
10:39:50  <dih> i also made berries the mother project - it defines dependency versions for 'modules' - mudles is something like the IRC folder, a seperate project, which references to a parent
10:40:04  <ODM> hmk
10:40:13  <ODM> i get a bunch of missing packages in the irc project
10:40:28  <dih> when you build the berries project (mvn package) it will build all modules listed in the pom.xml file and move the jar files to a 'plugin' directory
10:40:53  <dih> you need to checkout the root of the hg repo not just the irc folder :-P
10:41:13  <ODM> yeah i got the entire root^^
10:41:23  <dih> hmmm
10:41:47  <dih> and you need grapes and joan to have been built in nb or 'mvn install' them manually
10:43:05  <dih> but appart from that - do you see how it's made to be loaded as a plugin?
10:43:22  <dih> i.e. with the annotation in the file, and the META-INF folder
10:44:12  <ODM> there we go, grapes build fixed it
10:47:08  <dih> :-)
10:47:44  <ODM> and we get an irc-snapshot-o1 jar
10:47:50  <ODM> that part i can do it seems^^
10:49:34  <dih> :-)
10:49:38  <dih> perfect ^^
10:50:07  <dih> in the pom.xml in the root folder, there is a <modules> section which very simply lists the folder that has a maven project inside it
10:50:17  <ODM> im not sure i could change stuff in grapes, would need to dive a bit more into that
10:50:22  <ODM> but i could build a bot i think
10:50:23  <dih> the pom.xml in the IRC folder has a <parent> section which can just be copied
10:51:21  <dih> cool :-0
10:51:23  <dih> :-)
10:51:47  <ODM> now i am ombliged to poke you again about command in the admin port thingie^^
10:52:06  <dih> :-)
10:52:13  <ODM> anyway very nice work dude!:)
10:52:18  <dih> thanks :-)
10:52:24  <ODM> we(you)'re definately getting there
10:52:33  <dih> what command in the admin port thingy? :-P
10:53:11  <ODM> the DoCommands being sent over
10:53:40  <ODM> then i can hopefully finish things up while youre in argentina
10:57:16  <ODM> ircbot, logbot, adminbot^^
10:57:24  <ODM> berry*
10:59:32  <dih> ah - you would have to find out where the current implementation catches the DoCommands
11:00:10  <dih> then copy one of the existing packet definitions, add a new AdminUpdateType, specify it's supported AdminUpdateFrequency
11:00:27  <dih> and make sure you send the doCommand only to the bot that wants it
11:00:49  <dih> (i.e. with a wrapper method as found for the chat or client info
11:01:02  <dih> that should be about it
11:01:25  <dih> next, you will have to modify joans, so that it knows of that update type and the packet type
11:01:33  <ODM> uh, i thought you still had to change openttd itself
11:01:36  <dih> (oh yes, you need to extend the packet type definitions too)
11:01:48  <dih> yes, that is what i am talking about
11:02:18  <dih> network_admin.cpp network_admin.h core/tcp_admin.h core/tcp_admin.cpp
11:02:21  <dih> :-P
11:02:22  <ODM> i am staying far away from that:P
11:02:25  <dih> lol
11:03:23  <ODM> unless beerbeerbeer wants to do it:D
11:03:33  <planetmaker> :-P
11:03:40  <planetmaker> beer ODM :-)
11:03:41  <ODM> goodafternoon planetmaker!:D
11:03:49  <ODM> i had a la trappe trippel yesterday, very nice
11:03:50  <planetmaker> (that's Dutch for 'hello', right? ;-) )
11:04:11  <ODM> indeed^^
11:08:49  <ODM> bb lunch
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14:18:49  <Brot6> Java OpenTTD Admin Library - Feature Request #1768 (New): Add queue for not (yet) handled packets... (dih) @
14:23:26  <ODM> dih, im thinking of starting on expansion of the ircbot for coop purposes, alright with you?
14:24:21  <ODM> also, the password changer... that's an ap feature right? maybe passwordberry^^
14:24:53  <ODM> would be a nice try for me
14:25:36  <planetmaker> ODM: it's a ap+ thing, sure
14:25:55  <Brot6> Grapes - Feature Request #1769 (New): Pre Plugin-Invoke ExtentionPoint (dih) @
14:25:57  <ODM> and you just randomly read a word from a file
14:26:08  <planetmaker> yes
14:26:18  <ODM> i could give that a go:)
14:26:33  <dih> ODM, sounds good :-)
14:26:49  <dih> Password changing is indeed something it needs ^^
14:27:19  <ODM> im guessing that file is somewhere on the ps?
14:27:31  <dih> possibly you can specify the file / url it reads it's passwords from in the config file
14:27:31  <planetmaker> for added bonus: per company and per server ;-) - yes it is
14:27:56  <dih> servers cannot (yet) set passwords for a company
14:28:09  <dih> or rather - bots cannot do so (yet) ^^
14:28:19  <ODM> aah, ok i cant start that then yet:P
14:28:34  <dih> no, but general password rotation sounds good
14:28:39  <ODM> aight:)
14:28:49  <dih> also i have no @Command ExtentionPoint yet, which i'd love to see too
14:29:11  <dih> it would require tokenizing the string from the chat
14:29:32  <dih> possibly preserving strings inside quotes "" as one argument
14:29:47  <dih> iirc there is an InputStream that can do that, but i am not entirely sure
14:29:59  <dih> the standard StringTokenizer does not support that feature
14:30:17  <dih> then you could easily implement a !password command ^^
14:30:46  <dih> commands would have to have a special handling
14:31:31  <dih> check the tokens, if the first token matches the name of a single method it may be executed,
14:31:52  <ODM> for commands from chat/irc?
14:32:00  <dih> if it matches more than a single method, check if it matches the name of a plugin, and check if the second token matches a method in that plugin
14:32:04  <dih> yes
14:34:06  <Ammler> [15:27] <planetmaker> for added bonus: per company and per server  - yes it is <-- company pw change is not supported by openttd, is it?
14:34:42  <planetmaker> dunno really
14:35:41  <Ammler> we once had a patch, but that didn't survife the player-company switch
14:36:12  <Ammler> survive?
14:36:19  <ODM> i thought there was something... but that aws a while ago
14:38:04  <Brot6> Grapes - Feature Request #1770 (New): Command ExtentionPoint (dih) @
14:38:18  <dih> there is no server side changing of company passwords
14:38:29  <dih> however i intend to add that feature to the admin network
14:38:47  <dih> which would avoid it being changed from the server console but from a bot it could be done
14:39:26  <Ammler> the lack of that feature is not intendend, just not done :-)
14:40:06  <dih> was not a prio ;-)
14:40:23  * dih is keeping features for the admin network for other version :-D
14:40:54  <Ammler> well, you will get new troubles like how to save a login, if someone switches to specs and back
14:41:01  <Ammler> does he need to login again?
14:41:09  <dih> ?
14:41:14  <dih> not getting that
14:41:41  <dih> i do not understand the 'switches to specs and back' part
14:42:59  <Ammler> well, we used to switch to specs when we are afk or so
14:43:05  <Ammler> so the server get paused
14:43:30  <dih> oh - spectators :-D
14:43:37  <dih> i was thinking specification :-D
14:43:42  <dih> lol - me stupid :-P
14:43:48  <Ammler> indeed :-P
14:44:50  <planetmaker> he... I read it the dih way, too ;-)
14:45:14  <dih> "the dih way" :-P
14:45:49  <dih> 3 of 4 voices say i am not schizophrenic
14:46:34  <Ammler> planetmaker: how can someone switch to specifications?
14:47:03  <Ammler> I know, my English is bad :-P
14:49:30  <planetmaker> from doing off-specs things ;-)
14:49:36  <planetmaker> you're an expert in that :-P
14:52:05  <ODM> actually, where do you change the server password? cant find it in commands, would i have to change the config?
14:53:11  <ODM> config it is then^^
14:54:32  <dih> with the rcon command
14:54:48  <dih> set network.password <value>
14:54:51  <dih> iirc
14:55:11  <ODM> network.server_password:)
14:55:17  <dih> there you go ^^
14:55:34  <dih> the current implementation makes use of /usr/share/words6 or something like that
14:55:50  <ODM> ill find something for that:D
14:56:13  <ODM> dih, how do you add a new berry projec to the modules bit itself?
14:56:17  <ODM> im still fighting netbeans:D
14:56:29  <dih> you can probably just copy that file, and add it to resources, so that when somebody does not specify a file in the config you fall back on that ^^
14:56:41  <dih> ah :-P
14:57:11  <dih> you can copy the irc folder, rename some stuff in the pom.xml of the new folder, and change the names of packages etc.
14:57:28  <dih> then in the berries pom.xml add <module>password<module> for example
14:57:44  <dih> or <module>password/</module> even :-P
14:58:03  <dih> note, as soon as you add that module thing to the pom, hudson will also build your module :-)
14:58:25  <dih> once you have done that copy, you can open it as a project in netbeans
14:58:39  <dih> also remove the dependency to pricbot :-P
15:01:28  <dih> ODM, you could let a timer run in a separate thread if you like ^^
15:01:35  <ODM> was planning that
15:01:38  <dih> :-)
15:01:43  <ODM> threading ive actually done^^
15:01:48  <ODM> well a while ago
15:01:52  <dih> threads are fun ^^
15:01:59  <ODM> multithreaded raytracer ftw
15:03:08  <ODM> lol, initConifg?
15:03:14  <ODM> i loved how you actually called that:D
15:04:37  <dih> why? :-P
15:04:44  <ODM> well it's config:D
15:06:33  <dih> well, the define method will only create a entry in the config file if the setting itself is not present
15:06:51  <ODM> psst, i meant the spelling error^^
15:07:01  <dih> oh - crap :-P
15:07:42  <ODM> haha no worries:)
15:07:50  <dih> i do not know what's worse? the fact that there is a typo or the fact that it's consistent :-
15:07:51  <dih> :-D
15:08:03  <ODM> yeah i wondered about the consistency
15:08:25  <dih> :-D
15:09:07  <ODM> why do you add a child with an example btw?
15:09:13  <dih> i think though i'll create a wrapper class, which has getter / setter methods
15:09:44  <dih> only if no other child exists
15:09:53  <dih> the child name is the name of the channel :-)
15:10:07  <dih> so i could let grapes join multiple channels and each channel have different settings
15:10:13  <ODM> aaah okey:)
15:10:34  <ODM> and the first is just setting defaults if they arent there yet
15:10:45  <dih> exactly
15:11:15  <dih> i still need to try the nickserv default
15:11:21  <ODM> is there a reason you p prefix them all with irc? since youre already in the irc subsection
15:19:04  <dih> hmm - gut feeling :-D
15:19:07  <ODM> heh ok^^
15:26:21  <dih> helps me group things that kind of belong together, by such a prefix ^^
15:26:53  <dih> can you name your package something like ?
15:27:10  <dih> something along those lines, not just :-P
15:27:23  <dih> as i might use the package name for something else too :-P
15:27:34  <ODM> yes, done it
15:27:38  <dih> hihi
15:28:02  <dih> what happened to the 'gotta learn' ...?
15:28:07  <dih> :-P
15:28:15  <ODM> im good at copy pasting and changing stuff:P
15:29:19  <ODM> hmm berries:irc is duplicated in the reactoe, build error
15:29:38  <ODM> mustve missed something
15:31:50  <ODM> thats better:)
15:35:37  <dih> do not forget the file in META-INF
15:35:38  <dih> :-P
15:35:52  <ODM> got it now^^
15:37:24  <ODM> k big crash, but maybe i dont have the last version yet
15:37:33  <ODM> mercurial sucks for simplicity:(
15:38:23  <ODM> whats the button for getting the latest version and not losing my own stuff?:P
15:38:51  <dih> hmm ... planetmaker ? :-P ^
15:39:03  <dih> being the one who only commited so far i did not have to bother with that
15:39:09  <dih> for git, it's git pull :-P
15:39:12  <planetmaker> ODM: hg pull -u
15:39:16  <dih> :-D
15:39:32  <ODM> and in non command line terms?:D
15:39:34  <planetmaker> and you can always hg diff > patchfile
15:39:56  <planetmaker> I've no experience with non-command-line.
15:41:21  <dih> what options are there in netbeans (right click mercurial)
15:41:33  <dih> on the project in the left hand pane
15:41:41  <ODM> it's zillions:P
15:42:09  <dih> :-P
15:42:10  <Webster> Title: MercurialVersionControl - NetBeans Wiki (at
15:46:20  <Ammler> disadvantage of having multiple plugins in one repo
15:46:37  <ODM> hmm nice error when just trying to run grapes
15:46:55  <ODM> does it fail if there's no plugins?:P
15:47:20  <Ammler> you should always push your commits, then you don't need to merge or rebase
15:47:42  <dih> ODM can you show me the error message?
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17:20:31  <Brot6> heqs: update from r489 to r492 done -
17:20:58  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r651), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r71), airportsplus (r69), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1489), fish (r415), frenchtowns (r4), grfcodec (r786), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (ERROR r231), nml (r1034), nutracks (r117), ogfx-trains (r87), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r554), openmsx (r97), opensfx
17:20:58  <Brot6> (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r667)
17:21:58  <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r38 still failed (#1755) -
17:58:15  <dih> planetmaker, hint on getting push to work for ODM, project grapes?
17:58:29  <dih> says authorization failed
17:58:33  <ODM> authorization failed...been a while since i tried using this:O
17:58:35  <planetmaker> add him as developer to the projects
17:58:40  <ODM> i am
17:58:41  <dih> he is
17:58:51  <planetmaker> as manager it's your responsibility... hm, he is?
17:59:01  <planetmaker> what do you push to?
17:59:13  <ODM>
17:59:49  <planetmaker> default-push =
18:00:00  <planetmaker> in your .hg/hgrc
18:00:00  <dih> grrr - ODM i told you push :-P
18:00:07  <ODM> he didnt like push either:)
18:00:11  <dih> https
18:02:41  <ODM> still nope, keeps building a new remote respository path because i changed the old one...
18:03:07  <planetmaker> ?
18:03:07  <dih> you changed the default value instead of adding default-push ?
18:03:17  <ODM> there's a default and a default-push
18:03:22  <planetmaker> ODM: you need both ^
18:03:31  <planetmaker> default stays. Just add default-push
18:03:44  <ODM> no i dont need to add it, its already there...
18:03:50  <planetmaker> or that
18:03:56  <ODM> should default also goes to push, or to normal hg
18:04:16  <planetmaker> and you used your correct PW and user name in that line?
18:04:29  <ODM> in default-push yes
18:05:43  <ODM> i want to stab whoever made this^^
18:05:47  <dih> in the projects .hg/hgrc
18:06:41  <planetmaker> indeed. it's not a separatefile...
18:07:12  <dih> hmmm - odd
18:07:17  <dih> i will be back in like an hour ;-)
18:07:18  <dih> :-P
18:07:38  <ODM> brb, stabbing the guy who wrote tortoisehg:D
18:07:40  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 21:7c66e27b2e57: Removed false target directory. (Kim@boris) @
18:07:40  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 22:97031d40e0c6: Set main class in assembly aswell. (Kim@boris) @
18:07:40  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 23:092e0b94c60b: Set main class and removed wrong directory. (Kim@boris) @
18:07:45  <dih> \o/
18:07:52  <ODM> want to have a good laugh?
18:07:57  <planetmaker> ODM: yes :-)
18:07:57  <dih> kim?
18:08:01  <dih> :-P
18:08:05  <planetmaker> I already had ^
18:08:08  <dih> :-D
18:08:09  <ODM> heh
18:08:13  * dih too
18:08:13  <planetmaker> but I'm in for a 2nd :-)
18:08:18  <ODM> how lame:(
18:08:21  <dih> :-P
18:08:26  * dih chuckles
18:08:35  <dih> what's the laugh you wanted to share though ? :-D
18:08:39  <ODM> in the synchronization screen, if you typed the password in the field, it put stars in the link
18:08:46  <ODM> it actually wrote those stars to the hg file...
18:08:49  <ODM> instead of the password
18:08:56  <dih> HAHA
18:09:00  <dih> lol
18:09:02  <planetmaker> LOOOL
18:09:12  <planetmaker> <3 text console :-)
18:09:14  <ODM> well no then it dosent work obviously
18:10:52  <planetmaker> ODM: you want to add something like this to your .hgrc, too:
18:10:53  <planetmaker> [ui]
18:10:55  <planetmaker> username = planetmaker <>
18:10:58  <ODM> yeah was on my way
18:11:34  <ODM> sigh
18:11:50  <planetmaker> you don't have, to, Kim ;-)
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18:26:23  <ODM> dih, any clue why the constructor of the plugin would be called twice?
18:27:12  <Ammler> ODM: just tell, if you need a email address you can publish like
18:28:21  <ODM> meh they can poke me on irc
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18:36:26  <Ammler> ODM: was more meant for the author
18:36:40  <ODM> aah ok
18:38:00  <planetmaker> ODM: it's good when *someone* wants to contact the authors of the repo - especially when you know which lines were changed by whom then one can contact immdiately whom to contact
18:38:15  <planetmaker> discover hg blame ;-)
18:38:33  <planetmaker> each line in the repo bears the name of who ever changed it last ;-)
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18:59:18  <andythenorth> evenings
19:09:43  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21114 to r21117 done -
19:09:45  <dih> yes, once instanciated by by the ServiceLoader and once by the newInstance() in PluginManager
19:11:47  <dih> planetmaker, possibly someone could change the Kim to ODM (or whatever he wants to use in the future?)
19:12:11  <planetmaker> nope
19:12:12  <planetmaker> :-(
19:12:26  <planetmaker> done is done
19:12:50  <dih> pffft - lame hg :-P
19:12:56  <Ammler> you can assign it in the redmine settings
19:13:04  <Ammler> so at least there it would be right
19:13:38  <Ammler>
19:14:59  <Ammler> and you can change things in hg
19:15:08  <Ammler> but then you change the hash too
19:15:20  <dih> well, ok ^^
19:15:32  <Ammler> just check hg convert
19:15:57  <Ammler> I guess, there are also extensions for such tasks
19:16:28  <dih> done :-)
19:17:34  <Ammler> also I am sure, mercurial told odm about the missing name, at least that is what it does here ;-)
19:18:43  <dih> yes, but it does not ask for an alternative to be entered manually - it just picks something
19:19:45  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21114 to r21117 done -
19:19:50  <Ammler> it uses system name
19:21:24  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21117 still failed (#1658) -
19:29:04  <planetmaker> user@system is the default
19:32:11  <planetmaker> I've done that for my first commit, too ;-)
19:32:35  <planetmaker> but using a global .hgrc file is a good thing... never forget for new repos there :-)
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19:43:20  <dih> ODM, something that might be helpful
19:44:02  <dih> tools -> settings -> misc -> versioning -> mercurial :-)
19:45:03  <planetmaker> we scared him :-(
19:45:21  <dih> however i do not see how i can get NetBeans to fetch updates.... :-(
19:48:59  <Rubidium> read the manual
20:03:59  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1771 (New): Add Russian Translation (andythenorth) @
20:06:04  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1772 (New): Add Serbian translation (andythenorth) @
20:06:54  * andythenorth wonders what other FIRS translations are lurking on the forums :o
20:09:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1773 (New): Add Croatian translation (andythenorth) @
20:09:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1774 (New): Add Czech translation (andythenorth) @
20:09:19  <planetmaker> :-D
20:10:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1775 (New): Add French translation (andythenorth) @
20:23:21  <planetmaker> andythenorth: you need the German one updated, too?
20:23:29  <andythenorth> I guess
20:23:36  <andythenorth> I wonder if these go in 0.5.3?
20:24:25  <planetmaker> I wonder when :-)
20:24:49  <andythenorth> I don't really know
20:24:57  <andythenorth> I am happy to take advice :)
20:26:36  <planetmaker> really depends. Are there missing graphics?
20:27:08  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1490:fb0b82c614a6: Add: Update to the German translation (planetmaker) @
20:27:26  <andythenorth> hopefully no missing graphics by tomorrow
20:30:06  <planetmaker> Then it's definitely worth a new release
20:30:53  <planetmaker> it's compatible after all, is it?
20:31:07  <planetmaker> too sad that people who play nightlies cannot update anymore :-P
20:37:58  <andythenorth> planetmaker: it will be compatible
20:38:10  <andythenorth> there will be a minor graphical problem with existing industry
20:38:13  <planetmaker> then so more it's worth it
20:38:24  <planetmaker> despite the refinery problem
20:56:03  <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 24:f42b9821a353: Change: for now request all updates and poll as much as you ca... (dih) @
20:58:18  <planetmaker> oh, mb gives you advice on the French FIRS translation ;-)
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20:59:36  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1775 (New): Add French translation (andythenorth) @
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21:00:05  <planetmaker> hmpf
21:00:40  <andythenorth> you missed out :D
21:00:41  <andythenorth> [/quote]
21:00:51  <andythenorth>
21:03:01  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
21:39:07  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1491:c23d7c3051d9: Add: pcx for Sugar Refinery (andythenorth) @
22:20:03  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1492:9ba52fbf582b: Feature: graphics for Sugar Refinery (andythenorth) @
22:22:14  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1776 (New): Remove old layouts from Sugar Refinery (andythenorth) @
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22:27:36  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1493:ffac6cf516ac: Feature: improved Sugar Refinery layo... (andythenorth) @
22:32:01  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #474 (Closed): Sugar Refinery graphics (andythenorth) @
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