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00:22:09 <snowdragon> Yexo, use /msg *status disconnect, will disconnect you from IRC 00:25:13 <Ammler> /znc = /msg *status 00:28:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/projects-kde-org not registered in Redmine: Failed with 422 Unprocessable Entity 00:28:03 <Brot6> repository /home/hg/projects-kde-org created 00:46:23 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 01:06:30 *** thgergo has quit IRC 03:38:36 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:39:41 *** PeterT has quit IRC 03:46:11 *** Rubidium has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:51:07 *** PeterT has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:15:09 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 59:5387e261eaa8: Add: Custom cargo capacity support for additio... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/5387e261eaa8 09:15:09 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 60:262bb191b044: Add: Custom cargo capacity support for additio... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/262bb191b044 09:15:09 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 61:3b481a60316a: Add: Custom cargo capacity support for additio... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/3b481a60316a 09:19:21 <Terkhen> I'm going to add those nice toyland sprites now 09:19:36 <planetmaker> \o/ 09:19:47 <planetmaker> For the credits record: DanMacK 09:19:58 <Terkhen> okay :) 09:20:16 <Terkhen> I'll start by updating the credits, so I don't forget to do so 09:21:08 <planetmaker> Well, do that along with the first vehicle you commit. But yes, I thought I mention it because it also sometimes slipped my attention to update the readme 09:21:59 <Terkhen> my usual pattern is to commit after testing; if I have already updated the readme before that then I won't ommit updating the credits :) 09:24:33 <planetmaker> he, yeah :-) Same here 09:28:34 <Ammler> Terkhen: parts of your newgrf are still there from the newgrf framework 09:28:40 <Ammler> readme* 09:32:38 <planetmaker> he :-P 09:32:38 <Terkhen> Ammler: hmm... such as? 09:33:15 <Ammler> that you still need to replace mynewgrf :-) 09:33:31 <Ammler> or to setup .hgeol 09:33:44 <Ammler> oh, that might be needed 09:33:45 <planetmaker> oh, uhm. yes :-) 09:34:13 <planetmaker> some of those lines are not needed, I forgot them when cutting it down 09:34:30 <planetmaker> conversion is done after all. Chapter 4 09:34:42 <planetmaker> 4.1 can go 09:34:57 <planetmaker> the first 4.1 actually ;-) 09:35:08 <planetmaker> I must have missed to delete it 09:35:12 <Ammler> both 09:35:23 <planetmaker> nah, the 4.1 on speed is fine 09:36:33 <planetmaker> so basically the 1st paragraph of 4 and the 4.1 section on adoption of the makefile were forgotten to be deleted 09:37:12 <planetmaker> And you could swap our names in the readme's section5 09:37:39 <Terkhen> I'll do those changes and read it completely to make sure that everything is correct 09:38:00 <planetmaker> you write the RVs NewGRF more than I ;-) 09:41:04 <Terkhen> hmm... I don't mind keeping that; people tend to annoy the first person in the author list with their problems :) 09:41:52 <planetmaker> on another note: DanMacK might be glad to be told when his sprites are actually added to the newgrf, so just that he knows. He doesn't seem to follow the commit logs 09:42:25 <planetmaker> haha :-) 09:42:44 <Terkhen> yes, once I commit I'll post at the thread with an screenshot of them in action :) 09:43:02 <planetmaker> nice :-) 09:53:56 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 548:21c470e7d1d0: Feature: Parameters which allow to adju... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/21c470e7d1d0 09:54:06 <planetmaker> Pony for andy ;-) ^ 09:55:02 <planetmaker> hm... though I should test that with 1.0.5.... 09:55:21 <planetmaker> It might be that they now cost there as much as an apple pie 09:58:21 <Terkhen> I guess that .hgeol is used to keep the eol format consistent... once again I'll just copy it from ogfx-trains :) 10:12:05 <planetmaker> yeah, that's its use 10:19:37 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 62:9ed8705e1af7: Doc: Correct the readme. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/9ed8705e1af7 10:20:02 <Ammler> hardocded languages? 10:21:09 <Ammler> I wonder, if we should setup our own LDAP server or if we could somehow connect to the openttd.org ldap :-) 10:25:52 <planetmaker> you mean logins? 10:27:49 <Ammler> merging our accounts 10:29:35 <dih> morning 10:33:50 <Terkhen> would it make sense to include a fifth model of bus? 10:41:27 <Terkhen> hmm... what should I do to get rid of "pure white" pixels? 10:42:13 <planetmaker> @base 20602 10 16 10:42:25 <planetmaker> @base 10 16 20602 10:42:25 <Webster> planetmaker: 507A 10:43:01 <planetmaker> Terkhen: load in gimp, colour-select and mask the pure white pixels. Then select a big brush and paint with nearly-pure-white 10:43:04 <planetmaker> FCFCFC 10:43:27 <planetmaker> Ammler: I'd not mind to have a common account with OpenTTD 10:43:37 <Terkhen> I was fearing an answer like that :P 10:43:41 <planetmaker> moin dih 10:43:50 <planetmaker> Which do need it, Terkhen ? 10:44:00 <Terkhen> the toyland bus sprite 10:44:25 <Terkhen> I'll remove all pure white pixels at the big image before moving its parts to ogfx-rv 10:44:37 <planetmaker> sure 10:44:49 <planetmaker> I can do that. Give me 10 minutes to clean up the version checks in HEQS 10:45:54 <Terkhen> I'm checking how to select pixels by colour, let's see if I manage to do it 10:46:54 <planetmaker> o 10:47:06 <planetmaker> and then click on the pixel 10:47:20 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 549:61780a9f10b7: Change: Also handle non-defined paramet... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/61780a9f10b7 10:49:33 <Terkhen> at [x: 48, y: 0] <-- does this reference the sprite with pure white? 10:50:55 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #1953 (Feedback): Cost parameter (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1953#change-4899 10:51:10 <Terkhen> heh, the problem is not in the sprite but in the template 10:54:05 <planetmaker> eh? 10:54:11 <planetmaker> ah 10:54:17 <Terkhen> one of the sprites was moved a pixel to the left 10:54:23 <Terkhen> I hope that this problem is only present in the bus :) 10:54:33 <planetmaker> Don't expect it :-) 10:54:56 <planetmaker> His sprites sometimes need adjustments 10:55:15 <Terkhen> hmmm... I'll pay more attention then 10:55:34 <planetmaker> if you know your sprite sizes, the amount of white pixels tells you already 10:55:44 <planetmaker> if it's a length or a height - then it's just mis-alignment 10:55:52 <planetmaker> I guess I developed an eye for that ;-) 10:56:07 <Terkhen> thanks for the tip :) 10:56:08 <planetmaker> just 1,2, ... 5 is usually a white pixel, though 10:58:24 <Rubidium> bug report with "No Train Engines Available"; what would be the problem? Quick guesses please :) 10:58:35 <planetmaker> :-) 10:58:47 <planetmaker> a) date b) newgrf mess-up 10:59:11 <dih> c) settings :-P 10:59:18 <Terkhen> most of my post count has been increased by writing "Check up your starting date" posts 10:59:25 <planetmaker> hehe 10:59:35 <Rubidium> all wrong :) 10:59:50 <dih> oh? what is it then? 10:59:57 <dih> haha - wrong depot? 11:00:04 <Rubidium> it's 2036 and he only has non-electrified depots and tracks 11:00:12 <Terkhen> :D 11:00:14 <dih> :-D 11:02:39 <planetmaker> he :-) 11:05:14 <planetmaker> reminds me somehow on the minimum knowledge test like this: http://torstatus.blutmagie.de/~h3s/vagabond/Games/games.html#q 11:05:15 <Webster> Title: Vagabund (VGA Planets): Games (at torstatus.blutmagie.de) 11:05:49 <planetmaker> players who can't answer that out of their hat should not apply on that server ;-) 11:38:59 <Terkhen> I have plastic sprites for the flatbed truck but currently it cannot carry (toyland) plastic; should we add it? 11:41:04 <planetmaker> why not? :-) 11:41:39 <Terkhen> okay :) 11:50:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 63:590725ef8231: Feature: New sprites for the toyland buses. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/590725ef8231 11:50:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 64:692cd7368a7c: Feature: Improved toyland sprites for the tank... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/692cd7368a7c 11:50:29 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 65:b69791bb4850: Change: Support for plastic (toyland) cargo by... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/b69791bb4850 12:07:28 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 196:cb4dada7e638: Add: Translation to traditional Chinese (2006TTD) (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/cb4dada7e638 12:11:06 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 66:5d604492781f: Feature: Improved toyland sprites for the flat... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/5d604492781f 12:32:34 <Ammler> HEQS has no Feature Request Tracker 12:32:38 <Ammler> I add it as Feature then 12:35:56 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Feature #1967 (New): disable either trams or rvs (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1967 12:39:14 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:42:42 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:51:06 <Brot6> Berries - Revision 11:49746d5277a2: Change: support the netbeans license property inside the pom (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/berries/repository/revisions/49746d5277a2 12:51:06 <Brot6> Java OpenTTD Admin Library - Revision 33:cf0b4a4f1618: Change: support the netbeans license prope... (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/joan/repository/revisions/cf0b4a4f1618 12:51:32 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 30:b1a9f3d8461e: Change: remove not needed import (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/b1a9f3d8461e 12:51:32 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 31:23c67d1e6bed: Change: support the netbeans license property inside the pom (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/23c67d1e6bed 12:51:32 <Brot6> Grapes - Revision 32:15943f87a90e: Doc: note license information at the beginning of each file (dih) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/repository/revisions/15943f87a90e 12:53:03 <planetmaker> dih: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Unzufriedenheit-mit-Oracle-Hudson-auf-dem-Weg-zu-einer-neuen-Heimat-1145385.html <-- this doesn't really read like one should continue to assume that any good can come from anything where Oractle has at least a small finger in its stake 12:53:05 <Webster> Title: heise online - Unzufriedenheit mit Oracle: Hudson auf dem Weg zu einer neuen Heimat (at www.heise.de) 12:53:40 <Rubidium> planetmaker: why? 12:53:57 <Rubidium> I have to say that Oracles finger in OpenOffice has only improved things 12:54:15 <planetmaker> OpenOffice, MySQL, Java issues, now Hudson. Oh well :-) 12:54:30 <Rubidium> e.g. they stopped hoping for a separate foundation for OpenOffice (as promised by Sun), so they started with LibreOffice in the right way 12:54:37 <planetmaker> Improved as in completely free fork: yes 12:54:41 <planetmaker> it sped up things 12:55:22 <planetmaker> something which Sun could have done before indeed. But actively improving a situation looks different 12:55:57 <planetmaker> and seems like Hudson will go the same way. 12:56:53 <dih> by what we read i am sure there are good reasons for all of them moving away from oracle :-P 12:57:06 <dih> and i too am sure it's for the good 12:57:07 * Rubidium just hopes VirtualBox isn't killed 12:57:18 <planetmaker> dih: that's what I'm saying :-) 12:57:28 <planetmaker> But the name will have to go - just like for OpenOffice. 12:57:51 <planetmaker> is it also them,? 12:59:42 <Rubidium> looks like there's a lot more chatting on the public server than the stable server 12:59:52 <Terkhen> VirtualBox is also my biggest concern... 13:00:19 <dih> there is still kvm :-P 13:00:37 <dih> nicely though with most of those projects, the communities are big enough 13:05:22 * Terkhen wonders if he is using any of the VB features missing from the OS version 13:06:52 <Terkhen> hmm... only USB, and not frequently so I could live without it 13:11:52 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 67:201e5fa50a36: Fix (r66): Wrong alignment of the bubble sprite. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/201e5fa50a36 13:25:23 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 68:cecce50ac0b6: Feature: Improved toyland sprites for the bulk... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/cecce50ac0b6 13:34:54 <planetmaker> [13:59] <Rubidium> looks like there's a lot more chatting on the public server than the stable server <-- of course :-) Coop requires at least some talking to eachother. While on the stable people just do stuff without caring about others much 13:36:00 <V453000> :) 13:36:34 <V453000> I believe there is also a lot of conversation in team chat on stable, if any 13:40:11 <Rubidium> the histogram of packet sizes doesn't seem to imply that though 13:40:52 <V453000> well, only when some people team up :p 13:41:08 <V453000> which ... isnt rare, but nothing that would happen every game 13:41:40 <V453000> btw is there any maximum power of a train? I just made a 3 million horse power train and it goes 1kmh only 13:53:25 <Rubidium> probably 13:53:40 <Rubidium> I guess the accelaration overflows at some point 13:53:44 <Rubidium> no idea how much though 13:54:05 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/histogram.pdf <- histogram of the packet size (as received by OpenTTD, not the TCP packet size) of stable and public 13:54:34 <Rubidium> it has a logarithmic scale for extra oddness :) 13:55:03 <Rubidium> and the y-axis isn't continuous (some values are missing) 13:55:14 <Rubidium> but I couldn't bother to add lines with 0 in the table 13:55:26 <Ammler> V453000: is going to make newgrf? 13:55:33 <V453000> no, I used yours :P 13:55:57 <V453000> (46 gators did the job) 13:56:06 <Rubidium> or is the vehicle very light? 13:56:11 <Rubidium> then it doesn't have much TE 13:56:42 <V453000> it is maglev 13:57:06 <V453000> either way, I reduced to like 8 of them and it is fine :p 13:57:15 <V453000> no need to bother, I was just wondering if there is a cap 13:59:37 <Ammler> do you need a parameter for power too? 13:59:48 <V453000> nah 14:00:07 <Ammler> well, the power is already a max, iirc 14:00:35 <V453000> it definitely is sufficient 14:01:08 <V453000> I just wanted MAX POWER and when I added all 46 together, I noticed that it might not be the max performance I reached :D 14:01:12 <V453000> but all is ok :) 14:10:21 <planetmaker> interesting histogram 14:11:43 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 69:401ca6f855f5: Feature: Improved toyland sprites for the piec... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/401ca6f855f5 15:43:41 <Ammler> balancing is another reason, why you shouldn't combine 2 vehicle categories in one grf 15:43:55 <Ammler> you can adjust trams without changing the rvs on heqs 15:44:02 <Ammler> can't* 16:24:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 70:a3b52e8a52c0: Feature: New sprites for the toyland mail trucks. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/a3b52e8a52c0 16:24:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 71:9ff791a9adb8: Change: Add hgeol file. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/9ff791a9adb8 16:25:01 <Terkhen> OpenGFX+ RV has both trams and road vehicles 16:25:17 * Terkhen has still not touched the costs at all 16:25:37 <planetmaker> he. Shall I port the costs? 16:26:25 <planetmaker> i.e. the two parameters allowing control over running and purchase costs? 16:26:31 <planetmaker> (base costs) 16:27:22 <Terkhen> that would be nice to have, yes :) 16:27:25 <V453000> YEEEY toyland cars with faces ^_^ 16:28:08 <Terkhen> V453000: they look quite nice I'll post a few screenshots at the OpenGFX+ RV thread soon :) 16:28:24 <V453000> I looked at the sprites :) cute 16:28:56 <Terkhen> oh, I forgot to close the task with that last commit 16:29:13 <Terkhen> when are the nightlies compiled? 16:29:39 <planetmaker> 18:30h or so 16:29:50 <planetmaker> UT 16:29:59 <planetmaker> so it's rather 19:30h now 16:30:04 <Terkhen> okay, thanks :) 16:40:06 <Ammler> it is 17:17 UTC 16:40:21 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #1961: Updated sprites for toyland trucks (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1961#change-4900 16:42:36 <planetmaker> oh :-) Nice. 16:42:39 <planetmaker> Thanks, Ammler 16:42:54 <V453000> wah, its 17:44 here 16:43:29 <planetmaker> but not UT ;-) 16:44:01 <V453000> unreal time? :D 16:44:19 <planetmaker> yep :-PÜ 16:48:18 *** ODM has quit IRC 16:48:26 <V453000> those damn scientists :D 16:49:19 <planetmaker> Terkhen: I'm not sure there's so far much to auto-configure costs against with RV. But I'll keep that an option which currently will just mean "use default". Ok? 16:50:29 <planetmaker> or rather: that needs more careful testing for at least approx. good results 16:55:12 <Terkhen> planetmaker: okay 16:55:22 <planetmaker> incoming... :-) 16:55:38 <Terkhen> :) 16:56:12 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 72:26756b1265d8: Feature: Allow to adjust running and purchase ... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/26756b1265d8 16:59:43 <planetmaker> Terkhen: I'd just activate 2CC and then the users can use it to their liking with their 2nd CC. 17:01:32 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1968 (New): A 3/5 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1968 17:03:41 <Terkhen> I was thinking about doing that... there is no mixture of 1CC and 2CC vehicles under any climate/industry set anyways 17:03:54 <Terkhen> what happens if I activate 2CC but some of the sprites don't support it? 17:04:44 <planetmaker> It's no probelm to mix 1CC and 2CC either 17:05:02 <planetmaker> It's just a flag which tells OpenTTD how to interpret the green colours in those vehicles 17:05:17 <Terkhen> I'm wondering if it will activate the 2CC selection without any vehicles that actually support that 17:05:24 * Terkhen tests 17:05:55 <planetmaker> plain vanilla OpenTTD w/o such vehicles? No 17:08:37 <planetmaker> hm... OpenGFX+Trains doesn't activate 2CC... 17:08:45 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1048:92af8b490432: Change: rewrite of the strings subsystem. (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/92af8b490432 17:11:32 <Yexo> planetmaker: nml r1048 means that all nml projects are broken 17:11:45 <planetmaker> oi 17:11:47 <Terkhen> I see almost no changes after activating 2CC... only the parts around the last wheel change 17:12:15 <planetmaker> Terkhen: yes, there's no large-scale 2CC on DanMacK's vehicles. Just a few pixels on each 17:12:18 <Terkhen> oh, so I have 6 minutes to fix mine before the nightlies are compiled :) 17:12:25 <Yexo> s/lang: 7F/##grflangid 0x01/ for default.lng, mv default.lng english.lng, s/lang: /##grflangid 0x/ for other .lng files 17:12:41 <planetmaker> 01? 17:12:50 <Yexo> the grf language id for english 17:12:55 <planetmaker> ok 17:13:12 <Terkhen> okay 17:14:47 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:16:34 <planetmaker> Yexo: internal error, if english.lng doesn't exist 17:16:44 <Yexo> will fix that 17:17:34 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Revision 70:ac22be2873fb: Change: mv default.lng english.lng to compile again... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/airportsplus/repository/revisions/ac22be2873fb 17:18:07 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1969 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1969 17:18:47 <Terkhen> hmm... I hope it went up in time :) 17:18:59 <Brot6> firs: update from r1560 to r1571 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1571 17:19:14 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 73:6c934d33f1a2: Change: Update language files for changes in NML. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/6c934d33f1a2 17:19:14 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Airports - Bug #1970 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1970 17:19:14 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1971 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1971 17:19:55 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1972 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1972 17:20:00 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #1973 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1973 17:20:04 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r195 to r196 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r196 17:20:09 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), bros (r34), comic-houses (r71), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r5), grfcodec (r811), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r236), nutracks (r118), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r559), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r188), swisstowns (r21), 17:20:09 <Brot6> transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669) 17:20:29 <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r38 still failed (#1873) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/indonesiantowns/nightlies/ERROR/r38 17:20:49 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 197:8d45b08daabc: Change: Update to NML r1048 (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/8d45b08daabc 17:21:05 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1049:be0cd20b3347: Fix: print normal error message if the default... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/be0cd20b3347 17:21:18 <Yexo> Terkhen: doesn't matter, apparently nml failed :( 17:21:25 <Terkhen> :( 17:21:34 <Terkhen> strange; it compiled fine for me here 17:21:42 <Brot6> nml: compile of r1049 still failed (#1972) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/ERROR/r1049 17:22:55 <Yexo> I forgot to hg add regression/lang/english.lng 17:22:56 <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 35:0bc604ba0f22: Change: MU's now attach a MU-wagon instead o... (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/0bc604ba0f22 17:23:28 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1050:870c70f2ee1d: Fix (r1048): hg add the new english.lng file (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/870c70f2ee1d 17:23:58 <Brot6> nml: update from r1047 to r1050 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1050 17:24:06 <planetmaker> Yexo: why add? Doesn't a hg mv do the job? 17:24:12 <planetmaker> Would be better for history, too 17:24:14 <Yexo> it does, but I did mv 17:24:21 <Yexo> oh well, already done now 17:24:33 <Terkhen> I did mv too, but I noticed just before commiting that the new file was not added... 17:24:40 <Brot6> Swedish Rails - Revision 189:e5b62e1fced6: Change: Update language files to reflect changes in NM... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/swedishrails/repository/revisions/e5b62e1fced6 17:24:41 <Terkhen> so I added it manually 17:24:51 <planetmaker> and remove the old? 17:24:59 <Terkhen> yeah, the old file was removed 17:25:13 <Yexo> it'll still show up in hg st if you don't do hg rm -f old-file 17:25:26 <planetmaker> he... one should always use the VCS' tools to rename files... 17:27:22 * Terkhen meant hg mv 17:27:36 <Terkhen> the old file was marked as deleted, but the new one did not appear 17:27:57 <Terkhen> but I was in a hurry so I might have seen it wrong :) 17:28:06 <Yexo> where did the cf project go? 17:28:28 <Yexo> oh, just found it 17:28:56 <Yexo> ssh ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org 17:29:00 <Yexo> Illegal command '?' 17:29:04 <Yexo> planetmaker: ^^ 17:29:07 <Yexo> or Ammler 17:29:38 <Terkhen> planetmaker: if I enable 2CC and start a game with only OpenGFX+ RV, it will allow to select two different colours under climates which don't have 2CC support, so I guess it is not detected by the sprites in use 17:30:15 <planetmaker> Yexo: yes. We switched with the new server to use the redmine credentials only for submission to the repos 17:30:48 <Yexo> huh? I still use ssh to push to the repo, that still works 17:31:03 <planetmaker> yes, you're priviliged as admin ;-) 17:31:17 <Yexo> so why can't I log in via ssh? 17:31:28 <Yexo> that worked with the old server 17:32:18 <planetmaker> let's see... Works for me 17:32:48 <Yexo> ssh ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org /bin/bash doesn't work either, also Illegal command 17:34:32 <planetmaker> fixed. 17:34:48 <planetmaker> your key was also only authorized for hg-access 17:34:56 <Yexo> ok, thanks ;) 17:36:59 <Brot6> bros: update from r34 to r35 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/bros/nightlies/r35 17:37:30 <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r196 to r197 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r197 17:37:50 <Brot6> swedishrails: update from r188 to r189 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/swedishrails/nightlies/r189 17:37:52 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (ERROR r685), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (ERROR r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1571), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r5), grfcodec (r811), heqs (ERROR r549), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r5), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r236), nml (r1050), nutracks (r118), ogfx-rv (ERROR r73), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx 17:37:52 <Brot6> (r559), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669) 17:38:04 <Brot6> airportsplus: update from r69 to r70 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/airportsplus/nightlies/r70 17:38:40 <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r38 still failed (#1873) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/indonesiantowns/nightlies/ERROR/r38 17:38:53 <Terkhen> hmm... it won't try to compile ogfx-rv unless I commit something? 17:39:06 <Brot6> ogfx-rv: update from r58 to r73 done (1 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-rv/nightlies/r73 17:39:26 <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: belarusiantowns (6 errors) (Diffsize: 21), frenchtowns (48 errors) (Diffsize: 22), swisstowns (48 errors) (Diffsize: 91) 17:39:53 <Brot6> Manual Industries - Bug #1974 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1974 17:39:57 <Terkhen> nice, it compiled :) 17:40:01 <Yexo> meh, because the projects needed a commit it doesn't diff with the old version :( 17:40:30 <planetmaker> how do you mean? 17:40:32 <Yexo> and at least of ogfx-trains the md5sum has changed between r196 and r197 :( 17:43:55 <planetmaker> Yexo: at least the language file name of the default vs. english changed 17:44:04 <planetmaker> so any sorting scheme applied there would change 17:44:24 <Yexo> strings are sorted by the language id or the strings 17:44:47 <Yexo> and strins are only writtento the output if they differ from the default translation 17:45:05 <Yexo> so ifyou only do simple things in english.txt languageid 01 is still never used in the output 17:45:29 <planetmaker> also the languageID of course changed from 7F to 01 17:46:39 <planetmaker> oh, ok. Default is English which is 7F. And 01 is only those things which use cases, genders etc. Right? 17:47:03 <planetmaker> as in English.lng is translated to 7F as much as possible 17:47:27 <Yexo> yes 17:47:42 <Yexo> but it's coded in a way so it's very easy to add a parameter to make the defualt language something else 17:48:00 <Yexo> grfstrings.py:400 you can set german.lng as default if you wanted 17:48:18 <Yexo> if you did, all 7F strings would be german and the english strings would be written with id 01 17:48:33 <Yexo> all german strings with cases/plurals would us langid 02 17:48:55 <Yexo> but cases/plurals are still not fully supported, but it's not far off 17:54:06 <planetmaker> nice :-) 17:54:23 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1971 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1971 17:54:23 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Revision 550:a34e1784f154: Fix #1971: Missing file (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/heqs/repository/revisions/a34e1784f154 17:54:23 <Brot6> HEQS "Heavy Equipment" Set - Bug #1971 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1971#change-4901 17:54:25 <Brot6> heqs: update from r547 to r550 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/heqs/nightlies/r550 17:54:32 <planetmaker> Well, did you expect the versions before and after this change to be the same? 17:54:39 <Yexo> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfmanager/wiki <- wiki from the manager project is empty 17:54:39 <planetmaker> versions of newgrfs that is? 17:54:58 <Yexo> somewhat, but ogfx-trains is too big to check the differences 17:55:20 <Yexo> and I just realized that since the revision number is part of the grf name the md5 will definitely be different 17:55:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #1973 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1973 17:55:51 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #1973 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1973#change-4902 17:55:57 <DJNekkid> in the mentioned file? 17:55:58 <planetmaker> he, yes 17:56:15 <Yexo> if I had done the s/lang: XX/##grflangid 0xXX/ and mv default.lng english.lng chagnes before the rest the output would have been more useful 17:56:21 <DJNekkid> ehm, that werent ment for this chat, it were ment as an "arrow up-enter" in my terminal window 17:56:24 <planetmaker> ogfx-trains is not a small baby anymore. In human terms it's already like 4 to 6 ;-) 17:57:21 <Yexo> and there are a few other changes 17:57:35 <Yexo> the new nml version will write even more strings as ascii instead of unicode 17:59:48 <planetmaker> why that? 18:00:18 <Rubidium> memory, diskspace, processing power 18:01:42 <Yexo> because there is no reason to translate {RED} to \UE08B and write the complete string as unicode when you can also translate it to B and write everything as ascii 18:02:29 <planetmaker> :-) 18:12:32 <Ammler> planetmaker: why does yexo need access to ottdc@mz.openttdcoop.org? 18:12:36 <Ammler> (or you) 18:13:01 <Yexo> to start the cf manually 18:13:06 <planetmaker> ^ 18:13:15 <Ammler> no need 18:13:24 <Ammler> the cf does automatically rebuild after error now :-) 18:13:41 <Yexo> I know, but sometimes it's nice to be able not to have to wait 24 hours before it rebuilds 18:13:45 <Ammler> didn't that work? 18:13:46 <Yexo> like an hour ago 18:13:52 <planetmaker> not with nml or nforenum or grfcodec, I assume? 18:14:08 <Ammler> it shouldn't matter 18:14:39 <Ammler> well, I don't mind, was just wondering :-) 18:14:39 <Yexo> Ammler: nml had a bug so all nml projects failed, I fixed the bug, than I'd have to wait 24 hours before all projects are rebuild 18:14:55 <Yexo> by starting the cf manually I could see the result 10 minutes later instead of 24 hours 18:15:45 <Brot6> British Rail OpenTTD Set - Revision 36:e1c84a99a00c: Change: Added a purchase list callback 36 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/bros/repository/revisions/e1c84a99a00c 18:17:05 <planetmaker> Ammler: it might also be needed for server-side rollback or things like that 18:19:31 <Ammler> yes, there are cases, as said, was just wondering 18:19:50 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 18:20:12 <Ammler> also the rebuild doesn't trigger, if you execute ./scheduler nml 18:20:32 <planetmaker> hm? 18:20:33 <Ammler> you need to do ./scheduler -r after it 18:20:50 <Ammler> how did you trigger the rebuild? 18:21:18 <Ammler> ./scheduler.sh <repo> does just build that repo 18:21:31 <Ammler> that is now automatically 18:21:50 <Ammler> what you need to do manually would be scheduler.sh -r 18:22:26 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:25:46 <planetmaker> well, obviously all NML projects were re-built 18:25:57 <planetmaker> but I didn't do anything ;-) 18:26:25 <Yexo> I triggered the rebuild 18:26:38 <Yexo> I forgot -r, but since most nml projects had an commit it didn't matter 18:26:46 <Yexo> those who didn't have a commit will fail anyway 18:27:12 <Yexo> and not all nml projects were rebuild, most of the town-name projects were not 18:27:34 <Ammler> [19:26] <Yexo> I triggered the rebuild <-- that should be automatically 18:27:52 <Yexo> not if the commit was after the nightly was build 18:27:55 <planetmaker> On every commit? for every project? 18:28:00 <Ammler> yep 18:28:20 <planetmaker> so... it's not nightlies. But rather a continouous integration server now? 18:28:26 <Yexo> Ammler: I did a commit to nml at 18:22, so after the nightly 18:28:26 <Ammler> Yexo: it was still on rebuilding so the rebuild of nml was in the queue, I would guess 18:28:27 <planetmaker> -o 18:28:46 <Yexo> could be 18:28:52 <Ammler> planetmaker: no, it does rebuild only on error 18:29:00 <planetmaker> ah. 18:29:16 <planetmaker> but always with the newest nml / grfcodec / nforenum? 18:29:30 <Ammler> of course 18:29:48 <Ammler> well, you can configure other settings like using grfcodec release 18:30:03 <planetmaker> I'm not crazy ;-) 18:30:21 <Ammler> yes, we don't do that on any project now 18:30:57 <Ammler> well, next step with the CF will be splitting scheduler and builder 18:31:02 <Ammler> (and publisher) 18:31:23 <Ammler> but that is for next year :-) 18:31:49 <planetmaker> apropos... 18:32:18 <Ammler> also moving compile settings to redmine might be easier 18:32:25 <planetmaker> the wiki for openttdcoop managers is empty. 18:32:28 <planetmaker> intended? 18:32:35 <Ammler> it wasn't 18:32:41 <Ammler> just the link to index changed 18:33:03 <Ammler> it is wiki/index now, it was wiki/Page_index 18:33:15 <Ammler> I should not have used it 18:47:55 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:49:13 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 18:54:15 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 74:d3452cb4b90c: Feature: Use 2CC for toyland sprites. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/d3452cb4b90c 18:57:05 *** thgergo has quit IRC 19:01:30 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:01:44 <DJNekkid> are there any known problem with adding an articulated part that (different vehicle ID) that is articulated? 19:01:50 <DJNekkid> ehm 19:01:55 <DJNekkid> that is shorter (callback11) 19:02:36 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21366 to r21369 done (2 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21369 19:02:37 <Terkhen> I think I'm going to port a few things from ogfx+ trains and release a taster 19:03:43 <andythenorth> DJNekkid: train or rv? 19:04:50 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21366 to r21369 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21369 19:05:21 <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21369 still failed (#1965) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/ERROR/r21369 19:07:14 <planetmaker> ho andythenorth 19:07:19 <andythenorth> ho ho ho 19:07:50 <planetmaker> andythenorth: can you check that I didn't mess up your ideas of purchase and running costs for HEQS? 19:07:57 <andythenorth> indeedy 19:07:59 <DJNekkid> andythenorth: train 19:08:31 <andythenorth> DJNekkid: don't know in that case 19:08:37 <andythenorth> I'd be surprised :o 19:08:54 <DJNekkid> are there a known problem with RVs? 19:09:10 <DJNekkid> afk 20-25ish min :) 19:09:33 <andythenorth> no problem for rvs 19:09:38 <andythenorth> what problem are you seeing? 19:10:40 <Yexo> planetmaker: did you create a fs entry about your invalid a14 grf? 19:11:01 <planetmaker> no 19:11:09 <Yexo> ok 19:11:16 <Yexo> it's a bug in openttd, just found it 19:11:23 <andythenorth> planetmaker: excitingly, with 'default'' the cost of some vehicles is now £3 :) 19:11:26 <planetmaker> oh :-| 19:11:33 <andythenorth> I suspect the ranges might need shifting 19:11:36 <andythenorth> ;) 19:11:47 <planetmaker> andythenorth: that *should* not be the case... :-( 19:12:13 <andythenorth> well...I imagine it's resolvable? 19:12:44 <andythenorth> hmm 19:12:57 <andythenorth> should changing the costs be possible in a running game? 19:13:05 <andythenorth> doesn't seem to work for me 19:24:21 <planetmaker> it's a parameter. So it's a pre-game-start thing 19:24:26 <planetmaker> usually 19:27:26 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 19:27:38 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1051:a7574676358b: Add: write all cases to the nfo/grf output fil... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/a7574676358b 19:27:38 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1052:96f87ee33bd8: Feature: write language properties to the nfo/... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/96f87ee33bd8 19:27:47 <Yexo> as of r1052 nml has full support for cases :) 19:28:27 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:31:56 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1972 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1972 19:31:56 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1972 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1972#change-4903 19:33:07 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1954 (Closed): grf output with translations is non-deterministic (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1954 19:33:07 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1954 (Closed): grf output with translations is non-deterministic (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1954#change-4904 19:41:04 <DJNekkid> andythenorth: im seeing a problem where the wagons arent shortened properly 19:42:10 <DJNekkid> http://pastebin.ca/2008831 19:42:22 <andythenorth> DJNekkid: does newgrf debug in game tell you anything? 19:42:38 <DJNekkid> oh, i keep forgetting about that :P 19:45:58 <DJNekkid> can i change what part to "see" ? 19:46:20 <andythenorth> not sure 19:46:30 <andythenorth> maybe not 19:47:47 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 75:25654ba78e87: Add: Complain if the engine pool is disabled. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-rv/repository/revisions/25654ba78e87 19:50:21 <DJNekkid> if you download bros, then r34 works as intended 19:50:30 <DJNekkid> (the class 373/eurostar) 19:50:47 <DJNekkid> but that adds "self", and not another vehicle ID 19:51:35 <DJNekkid> but "tip" fails to shorten the wagons 19:57:11 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1975 (New): FLIRT (trainboy2004) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1975 19:58:22 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1975: FLIRT (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1975#change-4905 20:04:26 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:09:20 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Revision 686:1e70a890e5d7: Fix: Missing files, close #1969 (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/revisions/1e70a890e5d7 20:09:20 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #1969 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (DJNekkid) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1969#change-4906 20:10:06 <Brot6> 2cctrainset: update from r684 to r686 done (8 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/2cctrainset/nightlies/r686 20:11:46 <Terkhen> heh 20:12:05 <Terkhen> livery override <--- this is going to be difficult to translate 20:12:33 <planetmaker> Yes, I know ;-) 20:12:40 <planetmaker> I don't translate it :-P 20:13:02 <Terkhen> yes, I was thinking on only translating the second part :) 20:13:07 <planetmaker> you could translate it to different looks or alike 20:13:42 <planetmaker> or colour scheme 20:17:59 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 198:518fdcda282f: Update: Spanish translation. (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/518fdcda282f 20:21:12 <Terkhen> s/croation/croatian? 20:21:27 <planetmaker> yes 20:23:45 <Terkhen> woops 20:24:15 <Terkhen> I copy pasted in the wrong file 20:24:27 <planetmaker> :-D 20:24:35 <planetmaker> Nice English :-P 20:25:20 <planetmaker> you changed also the langID of the Spanish file 20:29:57 <Terkhen> heh, I got a "Text file busy" error before testing and I did not notice it 20:30:33 <Terkhen> but I wonder when did I change the langid... oh well 20:31:25 <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Revision 199:f97287c5188a: Fix (r198): Translated texts should not replace the ... (Terkhen) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/revisions/f97287c5188a 20:38:56 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1573:7caaebef8995: Feature: spacing for neighbours in ch... 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(yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/121fba8dc999 21:14:14 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:15:14 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:16:49 <Yexo> item(FEAT_CARGOS, iron_ore, 0x08) { property { items_of_cargo: string(STR_LONG_QUANTITY_IRON_ORE); } } 21:16:50 <Yexo> STR_LONG_QUANTITY_IRON_ORE :{DWORD_S} TONNE{P "" S} OF IRON ORE 21:17:00 <Yexo> ^^ that is now working nml :) 21:17:31 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1976 (New): If industry cargos change, need to update ne... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1976 21:20:55 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:21:55 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:22:01 <planetmaker> ha, nice :-) 21:22:42 <planetmaker> hm, I wonder... can NML be told to use specific stringIDs? 21:23:02 <planetmaker> thinking about slow and partial migration from nfo to nml 21:23:09 <Yexo> it can't 21:23:11 <planetmaker> especially the string part would profit from that 21:23:18 <planetmaker> hm, ok 21:24:04 <Yexo> those strings also need a few action0's to set the correct plural form and gender/case mapping 21:24:19 <Yexo> those special action0's are currently written directly after the action8 21:24:36 <Yexo> that means that if you write an nml file without a grf-block those action0's won't be written 21:24:47 <planetmaker> he :-) 21:25:10 <planetmaker> more work than it's worth then to make there a slow transition 21:25:32 <Yexo> yes 21:25:53 <Yexo> that time is better spend writing an nfo->nml converter and then doing the transition in one big step 21:27:37 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:28:33 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1575:cc359887a2cc: Feature: spacing for neighbours in ch... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/cc359887a2cc 21:28:40 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:29:26 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:32:57 <andythenorth> no clay pits or sand pits on my test maps :( 21:33:09 <andythenorth> maybe 80% water, mountainous could be the reason :P 21:35:22 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:35:35 <planetmaker> hm... as snow covers my outside thermometer it must be below freezing ;-) 21:36:22 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:38:35 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1056:511f15769ccd: Fix: using an invalid stringid as grf name or ... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/511f15769ccd 21:38:35 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1057:5b255c26cd65: Fix #1932: using an invalid string as grfid tr... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/5b255c26cd65 21:38:35 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #1932 (Closed): invalid string for grfID triggers internal error (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1932#change-4909 21:39:01 <frosch123> what is the new syntax for lang files? 21:39:12 <planetmaker> as OpenTTD 21:39:15 <frosch123> someone has a good link? :) 21:39:33 <frosch123> well, did default.lng change into english.lng ? 21:39:38 <Yexo> yes 21:39:44 <planetmaker> ##grflangid 0x01 21:39:58 <frosch123> 0x7f is not valid? 21:40:01 <planetmaker> ^ first line of english.lng which became mandatory 21:40:06 <planetmaker> nope, it's invalid now 21:40:15 <planetmaker> if I understood it correctly :-) 21:40:25 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Format_of_langfiles 21:40:28 <planetmaker> but English will be interpreted as such. By NML 21:40:29 <Yexo> planetmaker: you did 21:41:05 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1576:bd4533edc845: Feature: spacing for neighbours in ch... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/bd4533edc845 21:43:03 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:43:43 <Yexo> frosch123: strings from english.lng are written with langid 7F. Since not all features are supported by langid 7F (most notable plural forms) some strings are converted to a form that can be written as 7F and also written using langid 01 21:43:57 <Yexo> STR_LONG_QUANTITY_IRON_ORE :{DWORD_S} TONNE{P "" S} OF IRON ORE <- that that as example 21:44:03 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:44:33 <Yexo> it'll be written to the output as two strings, "B TONNES OF IRON ORE" for langid 7F and "B TONNEAAASA OF IRON ORE" for langid 01 21:44:34 <Ammler> (and american) 21:44:42 <Brot6> Manual Industries - Revision 6:01db71679706: Fix #1974: Newer NML has slightly different requirem... (frosch) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/manindu/repository/revisions/01db71679706 21:44:42 <Brot6> Manual Industries - Bug #1974 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (frosch) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1974#change-4910 21:44:48 <Yexo> Ammler: it doesn't do that 21:45:04 <Brot6> manindu: update from r5 to r6 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/manindu/nightlies/r6 21:45:05 <Yexo> if you want it to show the correct thing for american you'll have to create an american.lng translation file 21:45:25 <frosch123> what, it already made a nightly :p 21:45:44 <Ammler> cool, isn't :-P 21:45:46 <frosch123> Yexo: i have only action14 texts :) 21:45:58 <Yexo> so the above doens't matter for you :p 21:46:44 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:50:16 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 21:58:15 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 21:59:16 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:06:00 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:07:02 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:07:18 <Rubidium> KenjiE20: maybe you should use openttdcoop's bouncer; it's less unstable 22:07:51 <Ammler> does nml now also support string in string replacement? 22:09:34 <Rubidium> {STRINL}? :) 22:12:44 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:13:46 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:14:04 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 22:14:11 <planetmaker> g'night 22:16:03 <Ammler> guets nächtli pm 22:21:28 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:22:34 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:30:16 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:31:18 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:36:01 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:37:02 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:45:08 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:46:14 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:48:46 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 22:51:56 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 22:52:58 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 23:56:27 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC