Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 3rd December 2010:
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05:32:05  <Brot6> Bundles Update: gdc05666e 2010-12-03 cargodist   (
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08:32:43  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 76:c721a59c94d1: Add: Use toyland sprites for additional cargos... (Terkhen) @
09:18:53  <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #1876: Building r116 and r117 failed. (chillcore) @
10:00:49  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1977 (New): Ec 2/5 (Voyager1) @
10:38:53  <Ammler> planetmaker: any reason, you didn't release ttrs 3.10?
10:39:56  <V453000> new TTRS? \o/
10:39:57  <planetmaker> yes. Banks are not yet implemented as houses as I would like to
10:40:15  <planetmaker> Maybe I just should skip them.
10:40:29  <planetmaker> Going through all IDs is... tedious at least
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10:45:29  <Ammler> hmm, down?
10:45:38  <planetmaker> V453000: new only in the sense that it will then work with FIRS
10:45:52  <planetmaker> and will have a few more translations and make use of the nice parameter interface
10:45:53  <V453000> I see
10:46:16  <V453000> well, there is not much to add to it already anyway :)
10:46:30  <planetmaker> So "polished" or "renewed" might better be an accurate description
10:46:35  <Terkhen> planetmaker: you might want to close #1895; right now the only difference between both sets is that the flatbed truck is able to carry toyland plastic
10:46:38  <planetmaker> exactly :-)
10:47:18  <planetmaker> you added plastics, right? then I should only close it then :-)
10:49:32  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature #1895: Adjust cargo definitions to match OpenGFX+ RV (planetmaker) @
10:50:09  <Ammler> planetmaker: how does nutracks still build without the nfo?
10:50:46  <Terkhen> the ods file I posted at the ogfx-rv thread might be helpful too
10:51:04  <planetmaker> Ammler: why without?
10:51:33  <planetmaker> scripts/nfoheader.nfo is part of nutracks
10:51:53  <planetmaker> Yes, I downloaded that already, Terkhen :-)
10:53:50  <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #1876: Building r116 and r117 failed. (Ammler) @
10:54:39  <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #1876: Building r116 and r117 failed. (Ammler) @
11:22:19  <Ammler> doesn't ttrs r21 already implement bank as house?
11:24:48  <planetmaker> It only disables banks when FIRS is present
11:27:14  <planetmaker> <-- I wonder about that. It *should* work
11:27:16  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - FIRS Industry Replacement Set - v0.5.5 Released 23 Nov (at
11:28:54  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe you made condition based on full GRFID?
11:29:27  <planetmaker> I don't anymore
11:29:33  <planetmaker> +know
11:29:37  <dih> .... good morning? :-P
11:29:43  * dih just woke up :-D
11:29:51  <planetmaker> good snowing :-P
11:29:57  <dih> hehe
11:30:08  <dih> what actually happened to that funny mr. x?
11:30:12  <Ammler> heya dih :-)
11:30:14  <dih> (in #openttd)
11:30:20  <dih> morning Ammler :-)
11:30:24  <dih> ICE to see you :-D
11:30:31  * dih chuckles
11:32:33  <Terkhen> hmm... using make clean on ttrs removes required .txt files
11:32:59  <Terkhen> changelog and license
11:33:36  <planetmaker> he
11:33:38  <planetmaker> bad
11:33:48  <Ammler> Terkhen: first thing on old projects might be updating makefile framework
11:34:01  <planetmaker> Terkhen: check Makefile.config: CLEAN_ADD=
11:34:09  <planetmaker> it probably lists those files erronously
11:34:21  <Terkhen> nah, I just wanted to check why the spanish translation was not working at all; wrong IDs
11:34:28  <planetmaker> :-)
11:38:06  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #1978 (New): make 'clean' removes required files (Terkhen) @
11:38:30  <Ammler> which Norwegian does djn have?
11:39:21  <planetmaker> bokmal, I think
11:39:51  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Bug #1979 (New): Spanish translation uses incorrect language-id (Terkhen) @
11:42:28  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Bug #1961 (Closed): Updated sprites for toyland trucks (Terkhen) @
11:43:37  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Feature #1880: Graphical support for new cargos (Terkhen) @
11:43:37  <Brot6> Total Town Replacement Set - Support #1387: norwegian translation (Ammler) @
11:44:24  <Terkhen> I don't think I'll be getting new sprites or names anytime soon for ogfx-rv, so... how do I call it? alpha, beta, taster?
11:44:51  <planetmaker> 0.1.0
11:45:04  <Rubidium> 95
11:45:24  <Terkhen> 95 might be more appropiate, as it is missing key features :)
11:45:34  <planetmaker> No need IMHO to hide it. It works, it offers refits. Just missing graphics :-)
11:45:42  <Terkhen> okay ;)
11:46:14  <planetmaker> and those are replaced by more or less sane defaults. So not a really big issue.
11:46:19  <planetmaker> Like FIRS' boxes ;-)
11:46:39  <Terkhen> releases are already enabled... I just need to add a tag, right?
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11:48:39  <Terkhen> I found the wiki link that I should have read before asking questions :)
11:48:59  <Terkhen> oh right, a changelog
11:52:27  <planetmaker> :-) 0.10. is easy: Initial release. Done :-P
11:52:41  <planetmaker> well, you can make it a bit more complicated. Might even be nice
11:53:50  <Terkhen> right now it is an empty file
11:54:01  <Terkhen> since it is the first release, that changelog is technically correct
11:54:37  <planetmaker> I added some features when preparing ogfx+trains 0.1
12:04:43  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1980 (New): Pennsylvania Railroad GG1 (EmperorJake) @
13:19:07  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 77:85543ca01449: Doc: Update changelog. (Terkhen) @
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14:56:48  <planetmaker> <--- not a bad idea, I think
14:56:49  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums • View topic - OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles development thread (at
14:57:00  <planetmaker> Like the St. José Heavy truck or so ;-)
15:01:11  <dih> ODM, are you around in like an hour or 2?
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15:11:17  <Ammler> avdg: seen the other php web configurator on tt-forums?
15:11:38  <avdg> nope
15:13:08  <avdg> hmm, If someone has a better web configurator, then I'm wasting too much time
15:13:08  <Ammler> Rubidium: if you wanna setup a "backup" master server, just tell us...
15:13:20  <Ammler> avdg: I don't think so
15:14:53  <Rubidium> Ammler: DNS migration takes ages
15:16:00  <Rubidium> IIRC the DNS timeout is set at something like a day or a week
15:16:26  <Ammler> well, you can define that per host
15:16:47  <Ammler> but you mean, as backup for now? :-)
15:16:59  <Ammler> would you have the data reachable?
15:17:33  <Rubidium> yes, but it'd still take a day before everything gets migrated
15:17:40  <Rubidium> so it doesn't really help for today
15:18:49  <avdg> and what about ip's?
15:19:03  <Ammler> well, I meant more something for next time...
15:19:04  <planetmaker> they're not transferrable
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15:40:47  <Terkhen> :D
15:46:04  <V453000> planetmaker: has there already been some balancing of cargo payments in FIRS? ... can I have suggestions?
15:46:29  <planetmaker> I'm sure there has been something. But go right ahead.
15:46:38  <planetmaker> I think best within the FIRS dev thread, though
15:46:44  <V453000> yea
15:47:03  <planetmaker> and they haven't been touched for a long time, so they probably need an overhaul
15:47:45  <Rubidium> Ammler: made my own mirror for the master server
15:47:56  <Rubidium> it seems to work, but you need to trash the dns cache
15:48:01  <V453000> pm: as feature request?
15:48:50  <planetmaker> actually, V453000 : it's supposed to be part of the "economies feature"
15:48:56  <planetmaker> just recall now :-)
15:49:04  <planetmaker> so no, it's not been reviewed yet
15:49:06  <V453000> o_O alright
15:49:16  <planetmaker> feature... whatever. Yes, suggestions welcome
16:05:30  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles - Revision 78:cea6f1bed714: Added tag 0.1.0 for changeset 85543ca01449 (Terkhen) @
16:05:57  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 66:ecf137fd660f: Fix: don't compare the value of a form element, now the value... (avdg) @
16:05:57  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 67:c21e960636b6: Codechange: reduce some database code by moving it a bit (avdg) @
16:06:16  <Brot6> ogfx-rv: update from  to 0.1.0 done (1 errors) -
16:07:56  <planetmaker> \o/
16:08:17  <Terkhen> :)
16:08:36  <avdg> hmmmm :)
16:09:24  <Terkhen> if it is compiled automatically I don't need to attach the tar file to the thread
16:09:58  <Terkhen> let's see how this goes :)
16:10:19  <avdg> ofcourse is onlinecontent also offline :d
16:11:26  <Terkhen> it saves me the trouble of remembering how to upload stuff to bananas for now :P
16:15:05  <planetmaker> Terkhen: it's already done
16:15:22  <planetmaker> actually already when it said 'update from...'
16:16:18  <planetmaker> the newgrf-CF got a lot faster recently ;-)
16:16:40  <Terkhen> yes, I deleted the tar at the thread and just linked to the release
16:17:49  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature Request #1981 (New): Starting profit? (V453000) @
16:17:55  <V453000> happy reading "p
16:17:56  <V453000> :p
16:25:43  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 68:5b15ab14ddb3: Codechange: small comment cleanup (avdg) @
16:26:29  <planetmaker> Terkhen: did you compare md5sums from CF and yours?
16:26:45  <planetmaker> (not that it helps this 0.1.0, but... it's always good to check)
16:26:54  <planetmaker> I haven't, no panic :-)
16:39:15  <Yexo> V453000: changing the profitability of cargoes is a job for firs, not for opengfx+trains
16:39:29  <V453000> jesus :D
16:39:38  <V453000> yea, it was meant to be there -.-
16:39:43  <V453000> sorry
16:39:50  <V453000> could you move it somehow please?
16:40:24  <Yexo> I tried, but I got: "Failed to save 1 issue(s) on 1 selected: #1981."
16:40:26  <Yexo> Ammler: ^^
16:41:05  <V453000> Ammler, V fucked up, come fix :D
16:42:53  <planetmaker> hm... it should have worked like you tried, Yexo
16:59:57  <Terkhen> planetmaker: I did not, I will check later
17:08:14  <Ammler> what is broken? :'-(
17:08:37  <Brot6> nml: update from r1050 to r1057 done -
17:09:11  <Yexo> Ammler: try moving #1982 from opengfx+trains to firs
17:09:13  <Ammler> planetmaker: I gave the compiler 2 cores now, (-j2)
17:09:17  <Yexo> ehm, #1981
17:12:02  <planetmaker> he :-)
17:12:30  <Ammler> hmm, firs no FR Tracker?
17:13:26  <Brot6> OpenGFX+ Trains - Feature #1981 (New): Starting profit? (V453000) @
17:13:44  <Ammler> yes, you need to change Tracker to something the new project has
17:15:20  <planetmaker> hm. interesting. Thanks, Ammler, I didn't know that either
17:15:22  <planetmaker> Moved :-)
17:15:44  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Code Review #1981 (New): Starting profit? (V453000) @
17:17:57  <Brot6> bros: update from r35 to r36 done (1 errors) -
17:18:30  <Brot6> firs: update from r1571 to r1576 done (1 errors) -
17:18:57  <Brot6> ogfx-rv: update from r73 to r78 done (1 errors) -
17:19:14  <Brot6> ogfx-trains: update from r197 to r199 done -
17:19:22  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r686), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r7), comic-houses (r71), fish (r423), frenchtowns (r5), grfcodec (r811), heqs (r550), indonesiantowns (r38), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), newgrf_makefile (r236), nml (r1057), nutracks (r118), ogfx-trees (r41), opengfx (r559), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19),
17:19:22  <Brot6> snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r189), swisstowns (r21), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669)
17:20:12  <Brot6> indonesiantowns: compile of r38 still failed (#1873) -
17:21:05  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus, belarusiantowns (6 errors) (Diffsize: 21), frenchtowns (48 errors) (Diffsize: 22), manindu, swedishrails, swisstowns (48 errors) (Diffsize: 91)
17:26:19  <Ammler> 48 errors?
17:29:07  <Ammler> planetmaker: I don't think, V453000 can do Code Review :-P
17:29:28  <V453000> ? :o
17:29:29  <V453000> :D
17:29:29  <planetmaker> well. "review". It's a review of stats
17:29:37  <planetmaker> It's not a bug nor a feature really.
17:29:45  <planetmaker> It's revising current default values
17:30:05  <planetmaker> or it's a sub-issue of the economies thing
17:30:16  <Ammler> you like to rename the Tracker?
17:31:00  <planetmaker> I didn't think about that so far :-)
17:31:09  <planetmaker> I don't think it's necessary
17:33:03  <Ammler> why does swisstowns have 48 errors but still a grf?
17:43:42  <Yexo> Ammler: all language files are sitll in the old format (so missing ##grflangid), which disables all languages. However since ##grflangid is not required for the default language the grf is still written
17:45:39  <Yexo> is it ok if I commit a fix for that to swisstowns?
17:46:40  <Ammler> well, I wouldn't mind, then I see, what you mean
17:48:41  <Brot6> Swiss Town Names - Revision 22:13af1b1311c4: Fix: update language files to match requirements by ... ("Thijs Marinussen) @
17:48:48  <Ammler> Thanks :-)
17:49:26  <planetmaker> he...
17:49:41  <planetmaker> Yexo: you can create a default .hgrc file which is used for all projects
17:49:46  <Yexo> I know
17:49:50  <planetmaker> ~/.hgrc
17:49:53  <planetmaker> ok :-)
17:49:55  <Yexo> I have one, that is where my name comes from
17:50:00  <planetmaker> right
17:50:35  <Yexo> for uni projects it's better if it has my real name
17:50:38  <planetmaker> I just wondered :-) - true
17:58:06  <Hirundo> Yexo: Nice work on the string stuff :)
17:58:22  <Yexo> thanks :)
17:58:39  <Yexo> it's still not complete though
18:02:22  <Ammler> Yexo: sed "s/lang: /##grflangid 0x/" should work, right?
18:02:32  <Yexo> yes, except for english.lng
18:02:42  <Yexo> english.lng needs to have langid 01, not 7F
18:15:54  <DJNekkid> that were also a time to upgrade tt-forums...
18:16:05  <DJNekkid> primetime friday afternoon :P
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18:37:30  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #1982 (New): DE43CA Prima (Voyager1) @
18:53:08  <frosch123> 'The very main disadvantage is – obviously – that we have a depot that is accessible. Some accidental click on “Send to depot” or “Send for servicing” could wreak havoc on our network.' <- does that mean, you usually disconnect depots from the track after building the trains? ...
18:54:26  <Ammler> frosch123: or service centers, which can handle a lot trains heading depot
18:55:05  <Ammler> usueally the depots have only exit, no entry
19:03:23  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21369 to r21373 done (2 errors) -
19:06:32  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21369 to r21373 done -
19:07:48  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21373 still failed (#1965) -
19:27:40  <Terkhen> md5 of self compiled ogfx-rv 0.1.0 and the one compiled by the devzone match
19:49:16  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1577:a4e230ba12ef: Feature: spacing for neighbours in ch... (andythenorth) @
19:49:16  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Feature #1026 (Closed): Minimum distance between industries in sa... (andythenorth) @
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20:04:30  <planetmaker> good that they match :-)
20:17:20  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1058:674a39870008: Fix (r1052): write language property action0's... (yexo) @
20:17:20  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1059:1a47fbb08622: Fix: escape double quotes when writing then to... (yexo) @
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20:55:26  <dih> oh, a yorick
20:55:28  <dih> hello yorick
20:55:49  <andythenorth> V453000: I read your FIRS ticket :)
20:59:55  <yorick> hello, dih
21:01:38  <andythenorth> V453000: I usually start same as you guys.  Here's my latest FIRS game start:
21:02:18  <V453000> it is good, I only think that it would be nice to have "multiple starts"
21:02:21  <Terkhen> oh, that's a great idea; playing
21:02:40  <yorick> Terkhen: nobody ever does that anymore
21:02:56  <Terkhen> oh, sorry
21:02:58  <Terkhen> I meant... testing
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21:14:29  <planetmaker> lool @ Terkhen :-)
21:18:11  <Terkhen> :)
21:18:21  <Terkhen> is there any difference between arctic and tropical train engines?
21:18:25  <Terkhen> IIRC they were the same
21:20:14  * Terkhen is torn between a toyland game with arctic engines or a FIRS game
21:26:08  <planetmaker> Terkhen: they differ a bit in OpenGFX, I think.
21:26:18  <planetmaker> If not now, they will in the forseeable future.
21:26:23  <Terkhen> ok :)
21:26:49  <planetmaker> There's an arctic engine update waiting in the bug tracker already with sprites supplied by DanMacK ;-)
21:27:34  <planetmaker> the power of actionA supported also in base sets :-)
21:27:42  <planetmaker> (and action 7/9)
21:28:07  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1060:353ead94198e: Fix: return default translation if there is no... (yexo) @
21:33:45  <Terkhen> they look quite good
21:47:50  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #1983 (New): 28px temperate rail wagons (planetmaker) @
21:48:07  <planetmaker> Yexo: does r1060 mean that every string gets written for every language?
21:48:21  <Yexo> no
21:48:42  <Yexo> but error(FATAL, string(STR_REGRESSION_ERROR), string(STR_ANSWER), 3, 4); could result in an assert if STR_ANSWER was translated but STR_REGRESSION_ERROR was not
21:49:30  <planetmaker> ah :-)
21:49:46  <planetmaker> nasty corner cases :-)
21:49:54  <Yexo> yep
21:53:48  <Yexo> given a list in python (like [3, 5, 1, 4, 2] how do I apply a function to all elements (say I want the sum of them)?
21:54:02  <Yexo> sum = 0
21:54:06  <Yexo> for a in list: sum += a
21:54:11  <Yexo> that is possible, but is there a shorter way?
21:54:46  <planetmaker> is there total(array)
21:54:49  <planetmaker> ?
21:55:04  <planetmaker> there is
21:55:23  <Yexo> I was hoping for a general solution, I don't want the sum, but a xor of the hashes of the elements
21:55:37  <planetmaker> it's called sum([1,2,3])
21:55:42  <planetmaker> oh
21:56:38  <planetmaker> <-- maybe the last option mentioned for python works for you
21:56:39  <Webster> Title: Sum and product of an array - Rosetta Code (at
21:56:50  <planetmaker> it seems to be fairly general
21:57:42  <Yexo> reduce <- that is what I was looking for, thanks :)
21:57:55  <planetmaker> you're welcome
21:59:49  <Yexo> reduce(lambda x, y: x ^ hash(y), self.params, 0) <- seems to work fine
22:01:11  <planetmaker> :-)
22:06:06  <planetmaker> good night for now, though.
22:06:20  <Terkhen> good night planetmaker
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22:11:56  <Yexo> gn planetmaker
22:12:17  <V453000> how do towns grow with FIRS?
22:12:26  <V453000> or ... how can I boost the grow? :)
22:12:29  <V453000> growth*
22:12:38  <andythenorth> V453000: which climate?
22:12:43  <V453000> arctic
22:12:52  <V453000> under snow line
22:13:07  <andythenorth> FIRS makes no difference far as I remember
22:13:09  <andythenorth> standard rules
22:13:14  <andythenorth> I don't touch houses
22:13:21  <andythenorth> and TownControl isn't in existence yet
22:13:27  <V453000> ah, good
22:13:29  <V453000> thx
22:13:33  <andythenorth> only Tropic is changed by FIRS
22:14:18  <V453000> yea, there is no water
22:14:34  <V453000> anyway, do fishing grounds grow on production?
22:14:39  <V453000> since they do not require any supplies
22:15:06  <andythenorth> fishing grounds have no production change, far as I recall
22:15:13  <andythenorth> neither up now down
22:15:43  <andythenorth> although possibly they might use default TTD behaviour, i.e. depends on % transported
22:15:48  <andythenorth> I'd have to go read the code :P
22:15:55  <andythenorth> I didn't code them
22:16:40  <V453000> meh, I will see later what they do :p
22:19:09  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1061:fb669df37a08: Codechange: add __eq__ and __hash__ functions ... (yexo) @
22:19:09  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1062:8e22c6401cd5: Codechange: use the new hash function for Stri... (yexo) @
22:19:09  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1063:5cfd5e818acb: Fix (r1061): fix __eq__ functions so they also... (yexo) @
22:19:13  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1064:063ab6416069: Codechange: grfstrings.get_translations now ac... (yexo) @
22:19:17  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1065:84e054a3c904: Codechange: grfstrings.get_translation now acc... (yexo) @
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23:22:46  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1067:0e398d7af82a: Feature: implement {G=} string command (yexo) @
23:28:23  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1068:d644758af4dd: Cleanup: remove unused 'num_params' attribute ... (yexo) @
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23:34:14  <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 69:82d721712b9b: Fix/Change: Replacing some strings by translatable ones did b... (avdg) @
23:52:07  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1069:d4dfab47428a: Fix (r1062): forgot to replace one instance (yexo) @
23:52:07  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1070:c687a0c2e67a: Fix: implement proper reduce() function for St... (yexo) @
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