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00:43:15 <Brot6> DevZone Help Center - Support #2006: Hudson Plugin update (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2006#change-4995 00:49:06 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 03:27:41 *** thgergo has quit IRC 03:50:20 *** Lakie has quit IRC 07:34:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:53:51 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:23:22 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:23:23 *** andythenorth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 10:06:47 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:29:06 <Ammler> planetmaker: I made again a bit moving, is it ok with you? 11:29:40 <Ammler> basically moved the devzone help center 1 up so we can keep those together 11:29:51 <Ammler> and no feed here 11:30:41 <planetmaker> that's nice :-) 11:51:17 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:57:54 *** DayDreamer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:59:18 <frosch123> oh, i missed 32bpp support in nml 13:22:19 <Ammler> missed? 13:22:30 <Ammler> is that in now? 13:35:38 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 583:9da80c7793ab: Doc #2002 (r577): Add credits of DanMacK (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/9da80c7793ab 13:42:56 <frosch123> at least there is a commandline option for it 13:43:17 <frosch123> no idea, what is behind it :) 13:45:16 <planetmaker> Ammler: does OpenGFX build alright and also re-build as it should? 13:46:11 <Ammler> no idea, didn't build, just docing 13:46:21 <planetmaker> oh 13:46:35 <planetmaker> I thought you added that building, too :-) 13:46:41 <planetmaker> or was that already done? 13:46:46 <Ammler> /bin/sh: opengfx-nightly-r544M.REV: command not found 13:47:45 <planetmaker> hm... 13:47:50 <planetmaker> that wasn't there yesterday 13:47:52 <Ammler> else fine 13:51:29 <Ammler> after make clean/mrproper, build without issue 13:52:35 <Ammler> oh, and do you start credit people with commits now? 13:52:42 <planetmaker> hm? 13:52:59 <planetmaker> you mean that I mention the artist in the commit message? I (nearly) always did that 13:53:32 <Ammler> ok, but we also update the csv, still? 13:53:47 <planetmaker> yes 13:53:58 <planetmaker> the latter is much more important IMHO. 13:54:13 <planetmaker> if you ommit it in the commit message... doesn't matter 13:54:26 <planetmaker> it's just nice IMHO that they're mentioned in the commit log :-) 13:55:12 <Ammler> yeah, I try to make the commits neutral, sometimes I mention the names too there :-) 13:56:53 <Ammler> and Dan doesn't earn credtis for the station house since I needed to convert it ;-) 13:57:27 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:01:48 *** DayDreamer has quit IRC 14:51:14 *** co-nice has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:51:14 *** co-nice has left #openttdcoop.devzone 16:07:19 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:16:45 *** thgergo has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:04:05 *** Doorslammer has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:10:51 <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2046 (New): RS3 (Voyager1) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2046 17:17:57 <Brot6> firs: update from r1585 to r1586 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r1586 17:18:10 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from r241 to r242 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/r242 17:19:04 <Brot6> opengfx: update from r581 to r583 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r583 17:19:09 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r686), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), airportsplus (r70), all-andy (ERROR r2603), all-devzone (r9332), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r40), comic-houses (r71), fish (r468), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r817), heqs (r566), indonesiantowns (r39), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), nml (r1118), nutracks (r120), ogfx-nogrid (r11), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains 17:19:09 <Brot6> (r200), ogfx-trees (r41), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r23), worldairlinersset (r669) 17:19:25 <Brot6> all-andy: compile of r2603 failed - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/all-andy/nightlies/ERROR/r2603 19:01:59 <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21546 to r21588 done (4 errors) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/32bpp-ez-patches/testing/r21588 19:04:11 <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/clientpatches/testing/r21488 19:06:31 <Brot6> serverpatches: update from r21546 to r21588 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/serverpatches/testing/r21588 19:10:23 *** Doorslammer has quit IRC 19:27:01 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2047 (New): Arctic MJS250 resized to 28px (DanMacK) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2047 19:27:35 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:01:40 <Brot6> WebOTTD - Revision 77:70ee48cd8e57: Fix: wrong renaming caused include errors (avdg) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/webottd/repository/revisions/70ee48cd8e57 20:06:25 <Ammler> avdg: WebOTTD ready to use? 20:07:25 <avdg> I would say no, through the interface is useable 20:08:09 <avdg> I have plans to refactor some more stuff, to keep things cleaner and organised 20:08:29 <avdg> and ready for extensions 20:10:25 <avdg> there is actually a lot things to do, if I want to do things right 20:13:12 *** DanMacK_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:15:03 <DanMacK_> Hey all 20:17:14 <Ammler> DanMacK_: /j #openttd ... 20:17:39 <Ammler> or define those when you join... or save it with the url as fav 20:19:13 *** DanMacK_ is now known as DanMacK 20:19:33 <DanMacK> There we go... 20:22:24 <Ammler> DanMacK: you won't code yourself? Will you? 20:22:58 <Ammler> I guess, pm put you mistakely to the wrong group :-) 20:26:09 * DanMacK doesn't code 20:27:21 <DanMacK> I draw. Coding gives me a headache 20:32:39 <Ammler> moved you, so it is clear, we need to code it :-P 20:33:57 <DanMacK> yes :) Although .nml might be easieer to wrap my head around 20:34:28 <Lakie> aye 20:34:34 <Lakie> More human readable format 20:35:19 <DanMacK> For the life of me, I couldn't do Hex 20:35:38 <Lakie> Thats fair enough 20:35:40 <Ammler> well, you don't need Hex for today nfo 20:35:43 <andythenorth> coding is easier than drawing :P 20:35:52 <andythenorth> coding has right / wrong answer 20:36:04 <Ammler> everything is able to escape somehow :-) 20:36:05 <andythenorth> code doesn't degrade so much 20:36:09 <andythenorth> pixels degrade :P 20:36:18 <Lakie> Thats true, Ammler 20:36:30 <Lakie> Also code rarely has right and wrong answers 20:36:44 <Lakie> Usually a verity of solutions with various trade offs 20:37:10 <Ammler> and opengfx is the easiest grf to code :-) 20:37:30 <DanMacK> well, the last time I even thought about coding was about 4 years ago... 20:37:34 <Ammler> just booring adjustments and converts 20:37:43 <Lakie> Hehe 20:37:57 <DanMacK> Moght be worth trying something small, like a loco 20:38:09 <Ammler> or even ogfx :-P 20:38:34 <Ammler> the most difficult part is setup local vcs (mercurial) 20:39:13 <DanMacK> or a loco for ogfx :P 20:39:34 <Ammler> but since we support push with http, it is easy as installing other software (tortoisehg) 20:40:02 <andythenorth> Ammler: what about a build environment? 20:40:17 <Ammler> hmm, indeed, forgot about that :-) 20:41:24 <Lakie> Hehe 20:41:43 <Ammler> I still hope, nml will get rid of the need for gcc/make too 20:42:01 <Ammler> sometime by someone :-P 20:42:35 <Ammler> cpp* 20:43:29 <Lakie> Heh 20:43:37 <Lakie> make is a pain for windows based os' 20:43:44 <Ammler> it just would need to support includes 20:43:55 <andythenorth> Ammler: we have a lot of legacy nfo / cpp that isn't going away : 20:43:56 <andythenorth> :D 20:45:11 <Ammler> well, something which is already here don't need replacing 20:46:23 <Ammler> andythenorth: we abuse makefile/cpp already a lot over the limit 20:47:08 <Ammler> just check the manind2, that is just awesome :-D 20:58:45 <Ammler> planetmaker: (or whoever) please add tickets or comment: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/devzone2/issues 21:22:13 * DanMacK wonders if he shoult resize all locos to 28px 21:23:05 <Ammler> :-( 21:23:33 * Ammler likes the longer more, but it might technically be better 21:24:39 * DanMacK does as well, but seeing as how I've resized the rolling stock... 21:24:51 * DanMacK grabs the sprites from the repository 21:40:22 <planetmaker> good evening :-) 21:44:39 <Rubidium> evening ;) 21:44:50 <Rubidium> do you have an ETA on OGFX 0.3.2? 21:49:28 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Bug #2050 (New): compatibility check (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2050 21:50:06 <planetmaker> I guess tomorrow or 23rd 21:50:36 <planetmaker> It's mostly 'done', but I hoped to replace some more train sprites, but meh :-) 21:51:01 <planetmaker> I just ponder whether I should call it 0.4 ;-) 21:51:18 <planetmaker> Like... every year a major version, too 21:51:27 <planetmaker> semi-major 21:52:48 <Ammler> don't base it on time, but well, I know I have another logic on releaseing... ;-) 21:54:57 <planetmaker> Ammler: both. Time and demand. And there are two dates where a new release is given by time mostly: now and end of March 21:55:03 <planetmaker> the others are flexible 21:55:08 <Rubidium> 12 months ago you released 0.2.0 21:55:13 <Ammler> i meant the number 21:55:16 <Rubidium> so 0.3.x is still fine 21:56:18 <Rubidium> (if you're thinking about one "major" bump a year) 21:56:32 <planetmaker> Ammler: like if all those train sprites get coded and the maglev possibly re-aligned, it can nicely go for another relase pretty soon 21:56:37 <Ammler> imo, there should be a feature for a major bump 21:56:40 <planetmaker> right, yes, once per year 21:56:49 <planetmaker> There are many features already, Ammler 21:57:03 <planetmaker> but well 21:57:17 <Ammler> I don't care, just time is no excuse :-P 21:57:19 <planetmaker> I guess I prepare the changelog now ;-) 21:57:36 <planetmaker> or rather of what was changed since a week ago 21:57:48 <Ammler> stop comparing ogfx with openttd ;-) 21:57:59 <Rubidium> I see lots of toyland noses as "features" 21:58:04 <planetmaker> ^ 21:58:31 <Ammler> yes, I would bump it, but not because of the time, as said :-P 21:58:37 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 21:58:51 <Rubidium> one *might* consider the pcx -> png conversion as a big enough jump to bump the "major" version 21:58:59 <planetmaker> hm. also 21:59:06 <Rubidium> but then that's totally not visible for the end user 21:59:07 <planetmaker> 0.4 it is :-) 21:59:20 <planetmaker> noses are also nice ;-) 21:59:23 <planetmaker> we can sell that 21:59:44 <Terkhen> the new toyland vehicles are a great feature IMO; before it the trucks did not look much toylandish 21:59:53 <planetmaker> yep 21:59:58 <Ammler> planetmaker: something you would like to have done before release (except train adjustments) 22:01:05 <planetmaker> the helicopter maybe? 22:01:17 <Ammler> okidoki 22:01:32 <Ammler> I am stock with lvm 22:01:41 <Rubidium> to what extent is #156 done? 22:01:42 <Brot6> Rubidium: #156 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/156 "OpenGFX - Feature #156: Temperate sprites for toyland - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:01:43 <Terkhen> then again, new toyland vehicles might be as invisible for the end user as the pcx-png conversion 22:01:57 <Rubidium> guess #885 is still pending somewhere as well 22:01:58 <Brot6> Rubidium: #885 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/885 "OpenGFX - Feature #885: Toyland House and Industry Ground tile - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:02:01 <planetmaker> I recon it's done about 50% 22:02:05 <Ammler> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/308084/ <-- might need anohter reboot :-P 22:02:10 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 22:02:37 <planetmaker> depends on how far you want to take it. I heart DanMacK will provide a toyish rail track set for OpenGFX 22:02:50 <Ammler> #885 is IMO a blocker for release :-) 22:02:50 <Brot6> Ammler: #885 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/885 "OpenGFX - Feature #885: Toyland House and Industry Ground tile - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:02:56 <planetmaker> I'd like toyish stations / road stops / docks / airports. Then I'd consider it done 22:03:14 <Ammler> I really wonder, why nobody likes to make that sprite 22:03:52 <Rubidium> so the toyland conversion is basically only partly done. Then I wouldn't slap a "major" release onto that 22:04:23 <Rubidium> (#156 isn't done, though set for 0.4.0) 22:04:24 <Brot6> Rubidium: #156 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/156 "OpenGFX - Feature #156: Temperate sprites for toyland - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:04:57 <Rubidium> for OpenTTD the criteria for version bumps are different and don't quite apply to OpenGFX 22:06:56 <planetmaker> hm... right. 22:08:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 22:14:24 <Ammler> DanMacK: did you decode opengfx to modify sprites? 22:14:59 <Ammler> somehow the sprites have other dimensions than the source :-) 22:16:54 <Ammler> planetmaker: where are the nfos gone? 22:17:04 <Ammler> I don't have those in sprites anymore 22:17:50 <Ammler> oh, they are in root too? 22:18:10 <Ammler> bug? 22:18:54 <Ammler> I would guess so, as make clean doesn't remove those 22:20:39 <DanMacK> I just used the sprites from the repository and templated them on Pikka's templates 22:21:43 * DanMacK is about halfway through the toyland tracks 22:22:36 <planetmaker> Ammler: not bug. Bug fix 22:22:56 <planetmaker> hm. clean doesn't remove them? 22:23:01 <planetmaker> that's a bug 22:24:17 <Ammler> well, it creates a big mess in the root dir 22:25:16 <Ammler> DanMacK: then I should check the pikkawiki, so I don't need to look up every number 22:25:40 <DanMacK> They're all on the 7/8 templates 22:26:18 <Ammler> DanMacK: oh, I meant the helicopter 22:26:31 <DanMacK> Ahhh 22:26:46 <DanMacK> the Helicopter should use the same offsets as the one in std OpenGFX 22:26:46 <Ammler> hmm, I guess, I code it manually :-) 22:27:02 <DanMacK> That's what it's from :) 22:27:29 <planetmaker> Ammler: the helicopter is basically already coded. Just look for other helis with the same sprite layout 22:27:55 <planetmaker> it's one of the temperate ones IIRC 22:28:18 <planetmaker> sorry, I didn't recall until now 22:29:23 <DanMacK> the first temperate one 22:31:10 <planetmaker> there, cleaning fixed, Ammler 22:31:12 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 584:c47d0d8ef5ca: Fix (r582): Adjust also the path where the intermediate file... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/c47d0d8ef5ca 22:32:50 *** ODM has quit IRC 22:41:43 <planetmaker> Ammler: http://mz.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/newgrf.php?1=1400:1450 <-- what is the source of those sprites? 22:42:20 <planetmaker> 32bpp replacement? 22:43:31 <Ammler> you linked a lot sprites, which do you mean? 22:45:59 <planetmaker> I mean generaly. I could also have linked 0:1. Or whatever 22:46:15 <Ammler> ah 22:46:28 <Ammler> those are linked to the grf2html pngs 22:46:36 <Ammler> from teh nightly build 22:46:46 <planetmaker> ah 22:47:03 <Ammler> just view a image 22:47:04 <planetmaker> also the 32bpp it seems 22:47:09 <Ammler> no 22:47:18 <Ammler> don't think so 22:47:35 <planetmaker> but... did you open the exact link I gave? There are definitely 32bpp extra zoom stuff among 22:47:41 <Ammler> those are from a very early install I made 22:47:49 * DanMacK will take a crack at #885 22:47:49 <Brot6> DanMacK: #885 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/885 "OpenGFX - Feature #885: Toyland House and Industry Ground tile - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:47:57 <Ammler> just view the images 22:48:27 <planetmaker> hm? 22:48:42 <Ammler> right click on a image: viiew... 22:49:03 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/LATEST/grf2html/ogfx1_base/data/sprite1400.png 22:49:22 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/32bpp/sprites/trg1r/1409_z0.png <-- not from bundles 22:50:09 <Ammler> ogfx and ttd images are always up to date 22:50:46 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/129016 <-- that's how it looks here ;-) 22:50:47 <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org) 22:50:54 <planetmaker> ok 22:51:02 <Ammler> yes 22:51:05 <Ammler> same here 22:51:14 <Ammler> now you should be able to right click a image 22:51:25 <Ammler> hmm, mac doesn't have a right mouse button? 22:51:41 <Ammler> maybe you can do that with ctrl-mouse click 22:52:19 <Ammler> however you get a context menu 22:52:56 <Ammler> planetmaker: what is the advantage having the nfo at root? 22:53:50 <planetmaker> the advantage is fixing the cnfo not found error which results in 6 byte newgrf 22:53:56 <planetmaker> pretty bad bug ;-) 22:54:15 <planetmaker> #2040 22:54:15 <Brot6> planetmaker: #2040 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2040 "OpenGFX - Bug #2040: Compilation failure - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 22:54:24 <planetmaker> ^ 22:54:24 <Ammler> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx/nightlies/r583/log/opengfx-r583-devzone.err.log 22:54:42 <planetmaker> :-D 22:54:55 <planetmaker> can you adjust that? 22:55:31 <Ammler> well, you can too :-P 22:55:44 <planetmaker> and move the intermediate files back? 22:55:47 <planetmaker> no 22:56:07 <planetmaker> that'd trigger a re-build every time 22:56:15 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/entry/.devzone/build/files <-- I would simply change that 22:56:48 <planetmaker> ah, yes 22:57:00 <planetmaker> but then it needs changing everywhere... 22:57:04 <Ammler> no 22:57:06 <planetmaker> when I update makefiles 22:57:12 <Ammler> most projects don't have a own config 22:57:18 <planetmaker> ? 22:57:34 <planetmaker> when Makefile gets updated on NFO projects, they'll exhibit the same behaviour 22:57:45 <Ammler> most project don't have a own build/files file 22:57:49 <planetmaker> it's not an opengfx-specific bug 22:58:05 <planetmaker> thus it's ported to the nfo makefiles 22:58:11 <Ammler> so those can be changed by changing the default nfo config 22:58:59 <planetmaker> well. Shouldn't the default nfo config of the CF assume the newest makefile? 22:59:11 <planetmaker> or newest released Makefile? 22:59:28 <Ammler> that does what we (I) tell it 23:00:11 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/repository/changes/compiler/.default/nfo/files 23:01:08 <Ammler> will change with #2043 anyway 23:01:08 <Brot6> Ammler: #2043 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2043 "DevZone Version 2 - Feature #2043: independent compiler (obs) - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 23:06:35 <Ammler> planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/11/ 23:12:46 <Ammler> hmm, shouldn't it be possible to have multiple ogfx installs in same dir now? 23:22:33 <Ammler> hmm, the grf was broken 23:28:55 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 585:765c0ef6c799: Feature #2003: toyland helicopter with smile :-) (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx/repository/revisions/765c0ef6c799 23:30:57 <planetmaker> the Makefile currently always installs into the same dir 23:31:36 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2003 (Closed): New Toyland helicopter (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2003#change-5096 23:32:27 <planetmaker> but I should go to bed now :-) good night 23:32:54 <Ammler> planetmaker: the ogfx makefile is quite broken 23:33:12 <planetmaker> hm. still? 23:33:20 <Ammler> well, maybe not for initial build for the distros 23:33:35 <Ammler> but working with it is pain :-) 23:33:53 <Ammler> I wasn't able to build without clean 23:34:05 <Ammler> or to run make twice 23:34:37 <planetmaker> something works differently for you than for me. 23:34:43 <Ammler> hmm, maybe I should build current nightly on obs 23:35:03 <planetmaker> just updating to a new rev requires only make 23:35:30 <Ammler> well, check the paste 23:35:34 <planetmaker> as does a simple make suffice a rebuild of the corresponding grf, if I touch a file 23:35:40 <Ammler> it tries to run the REV file 23:36:00 <planetmaker> yes. it complains about that. That's a but, it shouldn't. But it doesn't harm the other stuff here 23:36:39 <Ammler> hmm, in that case, it didn't complain about the png isn't paletted 23:36:47 <Ammler> that was with second make 23:37:01 <planetmaker> hm? 23:37:06 <Ammler> then I fixed teh png and run a 3rd make, which I was able to test 23:37:28 <Ammler> oh 23:37:37 <Ammler> ignore my last comment :-P 23:37:42 <Ammler> I confused something 23:38:52 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #1962: Updated arctic engines (DanMacK) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1962#change-5097 23:40:57 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2047 (Closed): Arctic MJS250 resized to 28px (DanMacK) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2047 23:40:57 <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2047 (Closed): Arctic MJS250 resized to 28px (DanMacK) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2047#change-5099 23:40:59 * DanMacK just closed #2047 due to the update on #1962 23:40:59 <Brot6> DanMacK: #2047 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/2047 "OpenGFX - Code Review #2047: Arctic MJS250 resized to 28px - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 23:40:59 <Brot6> DanMacK: #1962 is http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/show/1962 "OpenGFX - Code Review #1962: Updated arctic engines - #openttdcoop Development Zone" 23:41:13 <DanMacK> Laters all 23:41:22 *** DanMacK has quit IRC 23:57:17 *** frosch123 has quit IRC