Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 27th January 2011:
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04:22:59  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2123: Shinkansen Series 0 redrawn (EmperorJake) @
04:24:01  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2123 (Reopened): Shinkansen Series 0 redrawn (EmperorJake) @
04:25:25  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2205: EP2 bipolar (EmperorJake) @
07:30:52  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2123: Shinkansen Series 0 redrawn (Voyager1) @
08:36:27  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (EmperorJake) @
10:18:26  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206 (New): Purno's not a member to this project (Purno) @
10:23:12  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2205: EP2 bipolar (Purno) @
10:25:59  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2163: Costar Fuel Cell Railcar (Purno) @
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11:56:33  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206 (Closed): Purno's not a member to this project (Purno) @
11:56:33  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206 (Closed): Purno's not a member to this project (DJNekkid) @
12:05:46  <V453000> DJNekkid: I have an idea regarding nutracks ... would it be possible to make the curve speeds vary with dependance on maximum speed of the tracks?
12:15:50  <planetmaker> The curve speed "advantage" can be set:
12:16:21  <planetmaker> Yes, it's a good idea IMHO :-)
12:17:15  <V453000> I know it is, I saw it in action, but what I am wondering about is, if it could be relative ... as in, the nutracks have parametr-able speeds for the rails, so the curve speeds should be relative to the max speed I think :)
12:18:20  <planetmaker> yes, it can be relative
12:18:41  <planetmaker> it's "just" programming work :-P
12:19:02  <planetmaker> tedious one at that ;-)
12:19:23  <V453000> amazing :)
12:19:34  <V453000> would be nice thing to have :)
12:20:09  <planetmaker> but as the link describes: it can only be in multiples of the base curve speed given there
12:20:22  <planetmaker> so the scaling will be very coarse
12:21:24  <planetmaker> but having a difference between very low and high speed tracks makes definitely sense
12:21:51  <planetmaker> or at least can make sense ;-)
12:22:01  <planetmaker> from a game concept POV.
12:22:12  <planetmaker> "Realistic-minded" people probably will reject the idea
12:22:38  <Rubidium> planetmaker: really?
12:22:51  <planetmaker> the curve radius doesn't change, does it?
12:22:54  <Rubidium> it'd be realistic if slow/heavy freight trains can't run on the high speed tracks
12:23:32  <Rubidium> not having slow trains on the tracks means they can be banking more in the corners and as such can have a higher curve speed
12:24:01  <Rubidium> that's the way it happens on most LGV in France, as such it's realistic! ;)
12:24:13  <planetmaker> That'd be an anti-safety feature. What if a fast train would need to stop there?
12:24:27  <planetmaker> The banking never must be such that it gets critical at any speed
12:24:42  <Rubidium> planetmaker: they rarely stop at that place
12:25:15  <planetmaker> oh... I often enough heard something like "Wir sind auf freier Strecke zum Stehen gekommen wegen ... und unsere Weiterfahrt verzögert sich um wenige Minuten"
12:25:29  <planetmaker> Yes, especially in ICE trains
12:26:36  <Rubidium> planetmaker: but then they haven't signalled it right ;)
12:26:56  <Rubidium> and... where would the ICE train be waiting for?
12:27:03  <planetmaker> Well. Still it's a safety feature. One must not require a min. speed
12:27:29  <planetmaker> Mostly it was waiting at a construction side for the train in the opposite direction to pass on a one-way track
12:27:34  <planetmaker> *site
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12:33:07  <Rubidium> apparantly there is track in Germany that has a 11.8 inch cant (difference between low and high rail)
12:33:59  <Rubidium> says
12:34:00  <Webster> Title: Comparison of upgrades needs to recognize the difference in curve speeds (at
12:41:12  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206: Purno's not a member to this project (Voyager1) @
12:42:35  <Rubidium> interestingly I find some data that would imply that the maximum cant (deficiency) for LGV is lower than for normal tracks, and the maxima for Germany and French normal tracks are the same
12:42:54  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207 (New): Regio Shuttle (Voyager1) @
12:46:01  <planetmaker> he :-)
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13:33:40  <DJ_Nekkid> suse 11.3 - take 5 - action
13:50:46  <Ammler> omg :-D
14:04:06  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Purno) @
14:04:55  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2206: Purno's not a member to this project (Purno) @
14:07:04  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
14:25:32  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Ammler) @
14:57:06  <DJ_Nekkid> my gawd
14:57:23  <DJ_Nekkid> it seems like it have stopped at "Loading drivers, configuring devices: _"
14:57:30  <DJ_Nekkid> at the reboot part of the install
15:03:40  <Rubidium> what distros/versions thereof have you tried already?
15:04:15  <DJ_Nekkid> opensuse
15:04:19  <DJ_Nekkid> currently 11.3
15:06:10  <Rubidium> so you've tried only opensuse?
15:06:37  <Rubidium> any reasons to stay with opensuse?
15:06:38  <DJ_Nekkid> fendora 14, but not with the onboard nic disabletd. i did get a new nic today
15:07:01  <DJ_Nekkid> fendora didnt want to work either
15:10:28  <Rubidium> you could try a Debian Squeeze live CD (or more DVD given the size) to see whether that has a chance to work
15:10:51  <Rubidium> but let me first try to see whether the live CD actually has a chance of booting
15:11:08  <DJ_Nekkid> i dont have a DVD drive on that computer
15:11:17  <DJ_Nekkid> nor DVD discs :)
15:11:50  <Rubidium> you do have CD?
15:11:57  <DJ_Nekkid> yes :)
15:12:05  <DJ_Nekkid> and a 2gb mem stick
15:12:33  <Rubidium> lets see what the "rescue" disk accomplished
15:14:32  <Rubidium> is the NIC RTL8169 based?
15:14:41  <DJ_Nekkid> it WAS
15:14:44  <DJ_Nekkid> but its no longer
15:14:52  <DJ_Nekkid> (its disabled in bios)
15:15:10  <DJ_Nekkid> nc3123 based
15:25:34  <Rubidium> <- try the netinst CD image; it does network configuration quite early in the install and needs it
15:25:35  <Webster> Title: Debian -- Debian-Installer (at
15:26:05  <Rubidium> so it should trigger any issues quite early on, if it triggers those issues that is
15:27:46  <DJ_Nekkid> i removed some more stuff i the BIOS, so im gonna try this one more time, if not, i will :)
15:32:55  <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: I told you yesterday already, that I don't believe the nic is your issue :-)
15:33:59  <Ammler> Rubidium: what kernel does squeeze use?
15:36:50  <Ammler> suse11.1 with .27 works, suse 11.2 with .31 doesn't so doesn't fedora, I am quite sure it is something with kernel
15:37:53  <dihedral> one of these days i'll find this "PEER" and reset HIS connection!!
15:38:27  <Rubidium> what's the LTS kernel?
15:38:28  <DJ_Nekkid> dihedral: in Norway Peer is actually a semi-common male name
15:39:22  <Rubidium> Ammler: a quite mutilated 2.6.32
15:39:41  <Ammler> then it would be interesting to see, if debian works :-)
15:39:43  <Rubidium> i.e. some DRM stuff from 2.6.35 and such
15:39:58  <dihedral> LTS = Long Time Support (at least with ubuntu)
15:40:52  <Rubidium> dihedral: there are LTS kernels as well
15:41:07  <dihedral> wow
15:41:08  <Rubidium> .16, .27, .32 are LTS kernels
15:41:28  <dihedral> i thought only even numbers were main releases :-P
15:42:02  <Rubidium> for x.y.z the y is even for main releases
15:42:19  <Rubidium> Linus releases 2.6.z
15:42:51  <Rubidium> then until (usually) z+1 backports are added as 2.6.z.p
15:43:14  <Rubidium> but... for .16, .27 and .32 the backports are added for a few years
15:43:21  <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: as you installed suse the first time, it worked, what have you done to break it?
15:43:38  <Rubidium> it's generally a shared effort by the distros and kernels
15:43:53  <Ammler> it is quite strange, maybe you have a broken hardware
15:44:14  <DJ_Nekkid> most times it have worked to install and reboot
15:44:31  <DJ_Nekkid> but then then when i reboot again it hangs, and it used to be on the NIC
15:44:42  <Rubidium> i.e. a couple of distros say, lets sync the kernel version we're going to use for our release. Then they can share the effort of backporting fixes, which usually happens via the LTS official kernels
15:44:44  <DJ_Nekkid> that RTL8169 chip
15:45:42  <Ammler> that is a very common built in chip, we have that on our hetzner server too
15:45:57  <Ammler> well, in the meantime, we use a intel card
15:46:25  <Ammler> but that was because of troubles with XEN, which we don't use anymore :-)
15:46:41  <DJ_Nekkid> i dont even know what XEN is :D
15:47:26  <Ammler> XenServer in our case, a CentOS (or RHEL dunno) derivate to make vms
15:55:59  <DJ_Nekkid> anyway, i disabled ACPI in BIOS, hope that does something good :)
15:57:51  <Ammler> you might need to disable that also with grup: apci=off
15:58:22  <Ammler> acpi*
15:58:42  <Ammler> but if disabled with bios, it might work
16:17:48  <DJ_Nekkid> i wish i never had played any coop games
16:17:57  <DJ_Nekkid> i just cannot get myself to build 'good looking' networks
16:18:04  <DJ_Nekkid> i keep thinking efficiency all the time
16:20:52  <Ammler> he, nothing to do with coop
16:21:20  <Ammler> well, not with #openttdcoop
16:21:28  <Ammler> join the current ps game
16:21:37  <DJ_Nekkid> what happens there?
16:21:56  <Ammler> it always was
16:22:16  <Ammler> our efficient games mostly look also better
16:22:28  <DJ_Nekkid> in my head is efficiency the ultimate goal of #openttdcoop games
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16:22:54  <DJ_Nekkid> yey, install is finsished
16:22:57  <Ammler> yes, one of the goals
16:22:58  <DJ_Nekkid> now for the ultimate test
16:23:04  <DJ_Nekkid> reboot a few times :D
16:23:11  <Ammler> which distro?
16:23:14  <DJ_Nekkid> 11.3
16:23:19  <Ammler> suse then
16:23:25  <DJ_Nekkid> aye
16:24:19  <DJ_Nekkid> i really liked suse... it had a nice GUI and all :D
16:24:31  <DJ_Nekkid> or that might be KDE, i dont know, but it sort of felt right
16:24:42  <DJ_Nekkid> reboot1 w/o any problem
16:24:51  <Ammler> yes, KDE rocks compared to GNOME
16:26:00  <DJ_Nekkid> 2nd reboot w/o any problems
16:26:04  <DJ_Nekkid> and it was REALLY fast as well
16:26:18  <Ammler> that is because of Kernel
16:26:42  <DJ_Nekkid> bioses on the different chips takes longer time then the actual loading of the OS
16:27:21  <DJ_Nekkid> and 3rd wo any problems
16:27:35  <DJ_Nekkid> i guess the next step would be zypper up
16:27:36  <Ammler> then the issue is acpi
16:27:40  <DJ_Nekkid> and the same process again
16:27:42  <Ammler> you can bring back the nic :-P
16:27:53  <Ammler> did you make the updates btw.?
16:27:56  <DJ_Nekkid> not yet
16:28:58  <DJ_Nekkid> doing that now
16:29:07  <DJ_Nekkid> *continue on my paxdest game*
16:31:44  <DJ_Nekkid> if this works as i hope it does i can then take out the PCI nic, and use the onboard one
16:32:07  <DJ_Nekkid> as that is 0,01/0,1/1 gb/s
16:32:28  <DJ_Nekkid> or gbps is probably the correct term
16:39:30  <Ammler> woth a try, as said, didn't find any issues with this card
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16:53:35  <DJ_Nekkid> and reboot after zypper up worked as well
16:54:13  <DJ_Nekkid> and reboot after zypper up worked as well ACPI-thingy (whatever that does)
16:55:40  <DJ_Nekkid> hg chat rollback :P
16:58:54  <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: did you remove teh nic?
16:59:08  <DJ_Nekkid> not yet
17:00:19  <Ammler> would be nice if you add my repo, it is a kind of Factory repo for games
17:01:21  <DJ_Nekkid> witch was again?
17:01:35  <DJ_Nekkid> *need to write it down on a txt-file*
17:02:58  <Ammler>
17:03:18  <Ammler> and set the prio number lower as packman
17:04:38  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Voyager1) @
17:05:33  <DJ_Nekkid> i'll get to it after dinner :)
17:07:17  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Voyager1) @
17:18:47  <Brot6> heqs: update from r571 to r572 done -
17:19:21  <Brot6> nutracks: update from r165 to r167 done -
17:19:33  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r727), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r70), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r45), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1631), fish (ERROR r532), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56),
17:19:33  <Brot6> narvs (r5), newgrf_makefile (r254), nml (r1138), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r22), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r201), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r593), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r193), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r24), worldairlinersset (r671)
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19:03:12  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: update from r21917 to r21920 done -
19:06:03  <Brot6> clientpatches: update from r21488 to r21488 done -
19:07:10  <Brot6> serverpatches: compile of r21920 still failed (#2080) -
19:10:28  <DJ_Nekkid> Ammler: any idea how trivial the nomachine NX-server is to install compared to the FreeNX one?
19:10:40  <DJ_Nekkid> and is there any obvious advantages?
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19:34:13  <Ammler> 3 rpms
19:34:21  <Ammler> no idea about FreeNX
19:34:40  <Ammler> DJNekkid: ^
19:37:36  <DJNekkid> and they work "out of the box" ? :
19:37:37  <DJNekkid> :D
19:41:34  <Ammler> yes, they do
19:42:02  <Ammler> they need to, it is commercial product, would you pay for something which wouldn't?
19:43:01  <Ammler> is is limited to 2 users, but that should not be a issue for you :-)
19:43:43  <Ammler> if you like to run more users, you should use FreeNX or you need to pay
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19:47:04  <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: you wanna use our bouncer?
19:53:32  <DJ_Nekkid> how?
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20:32:40  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2207: Regio Shuttle (Purno) @
20:34:51  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Feature #2007: Complete Rework of Freight rolling stock (Purno) @
20:46:40  <Ammler> DJ_Nekkid: by telling us yes and using instead
20:47:02  <DJ_Nekkid> yes && /server :P
20:47:12  <Ammler> almost :-)
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20:48:17  <Ammler> hmm
20:48:29  <Ammler> well, first I would need to tell you the pw :-P
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20:48:37  <Ammler> [21:48] <Ammler> well, first I would need to tell you the pw
20:48:44  <DJ_Nekkid> lol
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21:24:07  <DJNekkid> now thats nice :D
21:24:30  <Ammler> Hello DJNekkid :-)
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21:24:34  <Ammler> did you read the motd?
21:25:39  <DJNekkid> not yet
21:25:48  <DJNekkid> need to setup this client to a tad bigger letters...
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22:15:49  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 534:6f7a915d700a: Add: file for strings (andythenorth) @
22:15:49  <Brot6> FISH - Revision 535:2b4941ac47dc: Change: basic progress on strings (andythenorth) @
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22:17:05  <Brot6> fish: update from r526 to r535 done (1 errors) -
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23:25:05  <Rubidium> DJNekkid:
23:32:03  <Rubidium> DJNekkid: it's with beta3 so maybe it's already fixed
23:38:32  <V453000> :)

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