Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 21st February 2011:
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05:33:25  <Brot6> Bundles Update: g426dde18 2011-02-21 cargodist   (
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15:05:11  <Brot6> Nutracks - Bug #1102 (Closed): readme (DJNekkid) @
15:27:01  <DJNekkid> hmm how the crap do i do a warning if a grf-id is after the current file... *read the wiki*
15:36:11  <planetmaker> gg or GG
15:36:15  <planetmaker> dunno which
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16:02:48  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 58:3221b6176807: - Some code change / remove (krinn) @
16:02:48  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 59:827d749d9eda: - Preparing new station handling and new vehicle handling (krinn) @
16:02:48  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 60:a53f854b55bd: - Impove upgrade vehicle detection speed, now only check o... (krinn) @
16:02:49  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 61:a7cf4a8b5d0d: - Impove general speed: now we only call route maintenance... (krinn) @
16:02:53  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 62:91d2e6d03e15: - Continue from previous changes (krinn) @
16:02:58  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 63:13f725cba0cc: - Buy only vehicle if we have the money for it (lol). 1st ... (krinn) @
16:03:02  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 64:796f4cca3e6c: - Change groupe_name & groupe_id -> group_name & groupe_id... (krinn) @
16:03:06  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 65:fc6eaae78fdc: - Add a route costs estimate to prevent us building someth... (krinn) @
16:14:47  <DJNekkid> it shal skip _when_ its not gonna show the error
16:14:54  <DJNekkid> it shal then
16:15:28  <DJNekkid> not skip when when "the grfid is not yet active"
16:15:40  <DJNekkid> no
16:16:05  <DJNekkid> it shal skip when the grfid is
16:17:45  <DJNekkid> i want the opposite of Gg
16:17:49  <DJNekkid> i want the opposite of gG
16:18:13  <DJNekkid> or is that simply GG?
16:19:44  <DJNekkid> GG does not work
16:20:14  <planetmaker> the question still is what you want ;-)
16:21:03  <DJNekkid> i want the error to occour when a grfID is below 'mine'
16:21:23  <DJNekkid> or to be specific: when DBSETXL is loaded after NuTracks
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16:21:44  <planetmaker> uhu... why does that fail?
16:21:57  <planetmaker> I mean... what's the reason for that?
16:22:18  <DJNekkid> dbset changes the maglev basecost
16:22:21  <planetmaker> the test you need is gG
16:22:34  <planetmaker> DJNekkid, then change it back
16:22:38  <planetmaker> you know the value ;-)
16:22:51  <DJNekkid> and apparently every railtype use the maglev basecost
16:22:54  <planetmaker> if you can programme a specific error, you could as well programme a specific fix
16:23:35  <DJNekkid> but the 'fix' is to have dbset above nutracks
16:23:37  <Ammler> planetmaker: but that needs the dbset to be loaded before nutracks
16:23:55  <DJNekkid> and i would like an error to pop up unless that is true :)
16:24:05  <planetmaker> right :-)
16:24:13  <planetmaker> Make it non-fatal, though.
16:24:33  <DJNekkid> i would say that its quite fatal to have 8x the prices you set
16:24:41  <DJNekkid> well, 8x the default
16:24:43  <planetmaker> nothing breaks
16:25:23  <planetmaker> it's an error. But not an error which is fatal.
16:25:23  <DJNekkid> ok, i'll '02' it :)
16:25:44  <planetmaker> fatal would be like another railtype newgrf present ;-)
16:25:50  <planetmaker> as you define all slots
16:26:07  <Ammler> hmm, why not fatal, you can still change the order?
16:26:20  <DJNekkid> planetmaker: not on all parameters :)
16:26:31  <planetmaker> Ammler, what's the point of non-fatal errors then when you error out on everything?
16:26:42  <planetmaker> and what's the difference of non-fatal error to warning?
16:26:58  <Ammler> you rather notice a fatal error
16:27:43  <Ammler> a warning is only displayed if you click on the newgrf, isn't?
16:27:52  <DJNekkid> hmm
16:27:56  <planetmaker> an error is displayed, though. Or should
16:28:07  <planetmaker> as a red error box
16:28:25  <Ammler> yes, error, but not warning, well not sure :-)
16:28:43  <planetmaker> Ammler, yes, that's the difference between error and warning
16:28:51  <DJNekkid> with gG does this happen:
16:28:52  <Ammler> so I would make it error
16:29:12  <DJNekkid> db-set before nutracks: dbset disables itself, nutracks get a 'warning triangle'
16:29:12  <planetmaker> that's what I say. But there are two errors: fatal (disable grf) and non-fatal (continue)
16:29:29  <Ammler> warning is good for "tips" :-)
16:29:31  <planetmaker> eh, it disables itself, DJNekkid ?
16:29:42  <DJNekkid> with nutracks before db-set: the same thing
16:29:49  <planetmaker> it can't even know about nutracks.
16:29:52  <planetmaker> you need to try temperate
16:30:07  <planetmaker> dbset only works in temperate
16:30:08  <DJNekkid> that might be, lol
16:30:12  <Ammler> dbset doesn't work on arctic without alpine
16:30:31  <DJNekkid> no warning with dbset after nutracks
16:30:37  <planetmaker> hmm... alpine climate for opengfx+landscape :-)
16:30:51  <planetmaker> I have all sprites actually...
16:31:11  <Ammler> you mean temperate grass for arctic?
16:31:19  <planetmaker> yeah, with snow transition
16:31:45  <Ammler> shouldn't those be in ogfx-extra?
16:31:50  <Ammler> or are those just the trees?
16:32:04  <planetmaker> How should ogfx-extra make use of them?
16:32:25  <Ammler> snow in temperate
16:32:32  <planetmaker> that's an openttd patch needed
16:32:43  <planetmaker> and not everyone likes that idea
16:32:55  <Ammler> yes, but can't you reuse those sprites?
16:33:06  <Ammler> so it is complatible to non-ogfx
16:34:11  <planetmaker> hu?
16:34:30  <planetmaker> the ttd baseset has no temperate snow transition afaik.
16:34:31  <Ammler> openttd.grf has those sprites too, afaik
16:34:50  <planetmaker> why would openttd.grf have sprites which are never anywhere accessed and used?
16:34:53  <Ammler> since snow in temperate patch needs no grf
16:35:19  <Ammler> then how does that patch work?
16:36:18  <planetmaker> I've no idea, but openttd.grf certainly has no snow-in-temperate sprites
16:36:36  <Ammler> hmm, maybe we used a grf
16:36:50  <Ammler> it doesn't need grf spec changes
16:37:01  <SmatZ> maybe it uses the "alpine" ground sprites?
16:37:06  <Ammler> yes, we used the snow transition grf from Addi
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16:39:36  <Ammler> but why does extra grf have snow temperate trees?
16:40:06  <Ammler> or isn't that the case either?
16:41:30  <Ammler> I was confused because of ticket #127
16:41:30  <Brot6> Ammler: #127 is "OpenGFX - Feature #127: Snowy temperate trees - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
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16:43:56  <Ammler> planetmaker: but I assume, you would use the sprites made for that case?
16:49:51  <planetmaker> I need to look at home. But yes, I'll re-use those sprites made for ogfx-extra snow-in-temperate
16:50:10  <planetmaker> Zephyris gave me some for the landscape, too. But that might just be the gridless version
16:51:30  <Ammler> planetmaker: #2118 is still assigned to you ;-)
16:51:30  <Brot6> Ammler: planetmaker: #2118 is "OpenGFX - Code Review #2118: New Sprite for Tricaro Helicopter - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
16:52:04  <Ammler> maybe I make a bugreport about the issue else
16:56:17  <DJNekkid> ammagawd!
16:58:41  <DJNekkid> do i need two checks or something?
16:59:07  <DJNekkid> or maybe i'll just add a warning if DBset is loaded no matter what
17:03:31  <DJNekkid> but what is the point of 'errorlevel' 2 if it does not pop up a warning window ?
17:05:40  <planetmaker> Ammler, I never understood why you assigned that to me ;-)
17:19:11  <Brot6> fish: update from r604 to r611 done -
17:19:25  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r743), 32bpp-extra (r39), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r11), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r73), basecosts (r22), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r51), comic-houses (r71), firs (r1811), frenchtowns (r6), grfcodec (r821), heqs (r578), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r6), metrotrackset (r56), narvs
17:19:25  <Brot6> (r18), newgrf_makefile (r255), nml (r1232), nutracks (r176), ogfx-industries (r3), ogfx-landscape (r34), ogfx-rv (r78), ogfx-trains (r210), ogfx-trees (r42), opengfx (r610), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r45), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r198), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r26), ttrs (r33), worldairlinersset (r671)
17:26:34  <Ammler> planetmaker: :-D
17:26:48  <Ammler> because I hoped you will fix the nml issue first
17:27:55  <planetmaker> I hoped you'd do that ;-)
17:36:30  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 1812:0b5a230ce357: Fix: Too much copy paste in the Spani... (Terkhen) @
17:38:19  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 177:5087864c9be4: Change: yet another high speed track gfx (DJNekkid) @
17:38:19  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 178:754408f802c7: Feature: Check the presense of DB-set, and if its there, it... (DJNekkid) @
17:38:19  <Brot6> Nutracks - Revision 179:835b61158e7b: Added tag 1.0.0 for changeset 754408f802c7 (DJNekkid) @
17:39:23  <Brot6> nutracks: update from 1.0.0-Beta6 to 1.0.0 done -
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17:45:37  <Lakie> frosch123: why not check the original building count for 0x40?, I doubt anyone is likely to use 64 building / childsprites...
17:46:30  <frosch123> also thought about that, but it did not seem to fit very well with other specs
17:46:49  <frosch123> also that would only be one flag, and not one per sprite
17:46:51  <DJNekkid> congratulations to me :D
17:47:15  <Ammler> yes, grat :-P
17:48:16  <Lakie> Well, true, nothing to stop you having the one flag per sprite (regardless) in that splinter definition
17:48:34  <Lakie> I'm just worried that it'll lead to performance hits on just simple forms
17:51:24  <frosch123> <- in my implementation it is only one "if" (and a function call) more for normal sprite layouts. nothing one could measure
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17:52:03  <frosch123> drawing new layout might be slower, but i doubt that is measureable either
17:52:17  <Lakie> Depends on whats on screen? :)
17:52:45  <frosch123> well, i just assume that drawing a single sprite takes longer than rearranging the layout :)
17:53:25  * Lakie guesses altered varients should be marked errornous in older ttdpatch / openttd versions
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17:54:07  <frosch123> the 80 is the list terminator for default layouts, older ottd will just stop drawing at that point of the layout
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17:54:23  <Lakie> Not for action2 layouts.
17:54:39  <Lakie> For stations yes,
17:55:02  <frosch123> in ottd for both
17:55:18  <Lakie> So OpenTTD intenerally translates one to the other?
17:55:25  <frosch123> yes
17:55:35  <frosch123> except for the signedness of the offsets
17:56:08  <frosch123> but yes, ottd terminated action2 layouts with 80 00 00
17:56:57  <Lakie> Hmm.
17:57:07  <Lakie> TTDPatch doesn't iirc, which could be an issue
17:57:51  <frosch123> well, what should happen anyway? it will not work anyway in older versions
17:58:15  <Lakie> I imagine it should get an error in size of the action2, at a guess
17:58:20  <frosch123> even if you define a different format (e.g. using 0x40)
17:58:38  <Lakie> Well, then it will error about number of bytes less than expected
17:59:09  * Lakie shall have a look
17:59:26  <frosch123> ok, we could add the 0x40 and then skip all 0x80 and just always require the flags byte
17:59:35  <frosch123> should not hurt either
18:02:12  <Lakie> Might also make the checking on load easier to handle
18:10:39  <Lakie> Oskar says reading recolour data from action1's should be possible also
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18:13:17  <frosch123> nice :)
19:01:22  <Brot6> 32bpp-ez-patches: compile of r22125 still failed (#2343) -
19:01:34  <Brot6> clientpatches: compile of r22125 still failed (#2347) -
19:03:33  <DJNekkid> Ammler: question: do you use 32 or 64 bit suse?
19:03:43  <Ammler> yes
19:03:52  <DJNekkid> 64?
19:04:07  <Ammler> whatever is needed
19:04:20  <DJNekkid> im still trying to figure out our flash problems
19:04:38  <Brot6> serverpatches: update from r22117 to r22125 done (2 errors) -
19:05:04  <Ammler> did you search for it?
19:05:10  <DJNekkid> and a few pages seem to indicate that a 64bit browser is a problem
19:05:30  <Ammler> hmm, might be, but shouldn't
19:06:05  <DJNekkid> so that were basicly the question
19:06:27  <DJNekkid> if you were useing a 32 or 64 bit as your 'main' computer (the laptop/desktop you usually sit at)
19:06:41  <DJNekkid> and as you reported no problems, it could be that you were on a 32bit system
19:06:59  <Ammler> my desktop is indeed 32bit
19:07:24  <Ammler> but I am not aware of any issues related to flash and 64bit
19:07:30  <Ammler> did you search for it?
19:07:41  <DJNekkid>
19:07:42  <Webster> Title: Flash Player on 64-bit operating systems (at
19:07:47  <DJNekkid>
19:09:09  <Ammler> yes, and that doesn't help?
19:09:23  <DJNekkid> that was the next thing i gonna try
19:09:31  <DJNekkid> remove 64bit chrome, and install 32bit
19:09:49  <Ammler> well I wouldn't install chrome anyway :-)
19:09:59  <DJNekkid> but the problem is in both browsers
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19:18:44  <DJNekkid> getting 32bit chrome now :D
19:20:22  <Ammler> DJNekkid: is it possible you didn't use the official packages to install flash?
19:20:24  <DJNekkid> hmm, that would not even launche
19:20:59  <DJNekkid> we did that first
19:21:03  <Ammler> I am quite sure I told you already _NEVER_ install something from non-suse repos, if you don't know it better
19:21:13  <DJNekkid> yup :)
19:21:17  <Ammler> but you did
19:21:33  <Ammler> as the official flash packages would simply install a wrapper :-)
19:21:35  <DJNekkid> because a webpage told me to :D
19:21:45  <Ammler> yes, never listen to webpages
19:21:50  <DJNekkid> lol
19:21:51  <Ammler> just me :-P
19:21:55  <DJNekkid> fair enough
19:22:15  <Ammler> well, fact is the official flash packages from non-oss repo would work
19:23:56  <DJNekkid> i'll remove the adobe one then
19:24:06  <Ammler> [20:23] <derRichard> Ammler: das paket von opensuse geht 1a <-- from a 64bit suse user :-)
19:24:20  <Ammler> do I need to translate? ;-)
19:24:21  <DJNekkid> witch means?
19:24:45  <Ammler> the package from opensuse works perfectly
19:24:51  <DJNekkid> oki :)
19:27:06  <DJNekkid> 'pullin-flash-player' ?
19:27:41  <Ammler> what's that?
19:27:51  <DJNekkid> the one that were installed on my system from scratch
19:28:05  <DJNekkid> 'placeholder for adobe flash plugin'
19:28:28  <Ammler> well, flash-player is the package name
19:29:02  <Ammler> and there is btw. also a 64bit version, but beta :-)
19:30:07  <DJNekkid> when in yum/package search/webpin
19:30:25  <DJNekkid> and i seach for 'flash-player' the only thing that comes up is 'pullin-flash-player'
19:30:31  <Ammler> well, not officially available
19:30:44  <Ammler> could you pastebin your "zypper lr"
19:30:56  <DJNekkid> Repository URL:
19:30:57  <Webster> Title: Index of /update/11.3 (at
19:30:57  <DJNekkid> Version: 11.3.1
19:30:59  <DJNekkid> Architecture: x86_64
19:31:20  <Ammler> yes, that is one repo
19:31:38  <Ammler> then you should have oss and non-oss
19:31:44  <Ammler> flash should be in non-oss
19:32:07  <DJNekkid>
19:32:27  <DJNekkid> everything but packman is 99, packman is 98
19:32:41  <Ammler> KDE3, seriously?
19:33:04  <DJNekkid> it came with the install i guess... nothing i've added
19:33:47  <Ammler> :-)
19:33:59  <DJNekkid> KDE:KDE3
19:34:00  <DJNekkid> URL:
19:34:01  <Webster> Title: Index of /repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.3 (at
19:34:01  <DJNekkid> Category: YUM
19:34:03  <Ammler> did you use oneclick installer?
19:34:15  <DJNekkid> to get?
19:34:25  <Ammler> whatever, those strange repos
19:34:57  <DJNekkid> i used this:
19:34:58  <DJNekkid>
19:34:59  <Webster> Title:" target="_blank"> Download openSUSE 11.3 (at" target="_blank">
19:35:09  <DJNekkid> network -> direct link -> 64bit
19:35:28  <Ammler> well, that installed update, oss and non-oss
19:35:45  <Ammler> then you need packman and that's it :-)
19:35:54  <DJNekkid> so, remove everything but that?
19:36:01  <Ammler> everything else just if you really know what you do
19:36:04  <DJNekkid> and the gfx driver
19:36:09  <Ammler> yes, remove or disable
19:36:15  <Ammler> yes, keep that
19:36:44  <Ammler> then do "zypper se -s flash"
19:37:45  <DJNekkid> what abotu that 11.3 11.3.82 ?
19:37:55  <DJNekkid> 11.3-1.82
19:38:51  <Ammler>
19:39:13  <Ammler> DJNekkid: disable/remove things you don't know
19:41:24  <Ammler> according to lotz1009, the 64bit flash is better then wrapped 32bit
19:41:42  <DJNekkid> oki :D
19:41:58  <Ammler> try self and tell me :-)
19:42:42  <DJNekkid> will do
19:49:45  <DJNekkid> btw
19:49:52  <DJNekkid> should that one have been upgraded by itself?
19:54:57  <DJNekkid> looks good so far
19:55:34  <Ammler> no, that is not from official suse repo as you should see from teh domain :-)
19:56:52  <DJNekkid> so NOW its ok to intall from elsewere? huh? :P :P :P :P
19:57:05  <Ammler> yes, if _I_ tell you :-D
19:57:13  <DJNekkid> hehehehehehehe
19:57:40  <Ammler> well, 64bit Flash is still beta, so there are no official rpms for it
19:58:05  <Ammler> the official 32bit Version works too, so it is your choice
19:58:15  <DJNekkid> its mostly the missus that complains
19:58:29  <DJNekkid> so i'll try it on her pc as well, and then you will fast enough know if it works
19:58:54  <Ammler> ok, well, cleanup the repos and do a zypper dup first
19:59:08  <Ammler> and zypper verify
19:59:22  <DJNekkid> yup
20:04:22  <DJNekkid> there, she is updated as well
20:04:35  <DJNekkid> lets see how it goes :D
20:06:47  <DJNekkid> initially it _seems_ better
20:06:58  <DJNekkid> but it needs abit more stresstesting
20:16:43  <DJNekkid> Ammler: my wife saies thanx
20:16:52  <DJNekkid> it seems to work very good
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20:21:53  <Ammler> you see :-P
20:22:07  <Ammler> you use the 64bit rpm?
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20:28:45  <DJNekkid> the none you 'sent' me :)
20:59:06  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 66:04e61632d5fd: - Upgrade road station if we reach the vehicle limit / route (krinn) @
21:12:56  <DanMacK> lol
21:12:57  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - Hello from Chris Sawyer (at
21:15:47  <frosch123> well, he did not even bother to rename the filenames of the images
21:25:17  <DanMacK> yeah...  there's one that pops in occasionally
21:29:25  <Ammler> oh, he was not real? :'-(
21:55:50  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 611:59d7d82c16cd: Fix: Gold mine had some sprites mixed up (planetmaker) @
22:04:46  <planetmaker> <-- Ammler what was now the problem with the heli rotor?
22:04:47  <Webster> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at
22:06:03  <planetmaker> that image is made with an unmodified trunk version of opengfx
22:07:42  <Ammler> I am not able to build opengfx that way
22:08:15  <Ammler> it looks fine there
22:11:13  <planetmaker> <-- that works for you?
22:13:36  <Ammler> let's see
22:13:56  <Ammler> no
22:14:08  <planetmaker> then you didn't update your opengfx you use
22:14:17  <Ammler> hmm?
22:14:22  <Ammler> I see the version in the desc
22:14:31  <planetmaker> I mean: install that zip file
22:14:37  <Ammler> yep, I did
22:14:43  <Ammler> I don't have r611 locally
22:14:55  <planetmaker> it's a full base set for download for you
22:15:04  <Ammler> yes, that is why I know, that I did :-)
22:15:19  <planetmaker> or do you say 'no doesn't work' without having it given a shot?
22:15:40  <Ammler> no, I installed your zip and started openttd
22:15:48  <Ammler> that is why I know, I doesn't work for me :-(
22:15:56  <planetmaker> then you use not r611
22:16:24  <planetmaker> what does you options say
22:16:37  <planetmaker> is your gold mine fixed?
22:18:37  <Ammler> the gold mine has a little lake, if that is what you mean :-P
22:19:12  <planetmaker> look at the construction stages
22:19:17  <planetmaker> they were broken
22:19:36  <planetmaker> or rather each had a wrong tile
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22:20:44  <Ammler> hmm, no newgrf loaded
22:20:54  <Ammler> this is so strange
22:21:33  <planetmaker> what's your reported opengfx version?
22:21:39  <planetmaker> and what about those gold mine tiles?
22:21:49  <Ammler> r611
22:21:54  <Ammler> my repo is at r610
22:22:05  <Ammler> and the gold mine looks fine
22:22:55  <Ammler> well, it seems something broken on my side
22:23:27  <Ammler> the only errors on the console are about sound
22:23:33  <Ammler> nothing to worry about
22:24:42  <Ammler> let me test with trunk
22:25:41  <Ammler> also no issue of different openttd versions
22:25:49  <Ammler> but it is fine with opengfx 0.3.2
22:31:25  <planetmaker> hm... planes.... I guess I looked at the wrong date ;-)
22:32:14  <planetmaker> ^ Ammler
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22:33:19  <planetmaker> mea culpa
22:43:24  <Ammler> oh, I see :-P
22:49:59  <planetmaker> should be better now ;-)
22:50:01  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 612:424a2d3faae8: Fix #2117 (r607): Size of some aircraft sprites was very err... (planetmaker) @
22:50:01  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2117 (Closed): New Rotor Sprite for Helicopters (planetmaker) @
22:52:51  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Code Review #2117 (Reopened): New Rotor Sprite for Helicopters (planetmaker) @
22:53:35  <Ammler> well, I am happy, there is no silly issue here
22:54:02  <planetmaker> so am I :-)
22:54:22  <planetmaker> well.... it was silly checking in 1995 the planes ;-)
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23:19:00  <planetmaker> good night for now
23:27:16  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 67:f4eae252c3e0: - More clean output for non debug play (krinn) @
23:27:16  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 68:db9a6ae182dd: - Minors corrections here & there (krinn) @
23:44:08  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2349 (New): internal error when mixing boolean and int parameters in ... (planetmaker) @
23:48:31  <Brot6> DictatorAI - Revision 69:002bfaade172: - Don't check profit if we are at month < 3 (krinn) @
23:55:12  <Hirundo> filing a bug just when I want to go to sleep ... damn you ;)

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