Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 17th June 2011:
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08:31:43  <Brot6> CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2690: Decide whether to have one or two classes of station (andythenorth) @
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08:47:43  <Tloo-ZaRaZa> greetings
08:53:14  <Terkhen> hi Tloo-ZaRaZa
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11:56:38  <Ammler> planetmaker: found another issue with forcing nml2nfo :-)
11:56:49  <planetmaker> yes?
11:56:57  <Ammler> if you delete the pnfo, the revision adds a "M" :-)
11:57:35  <planetmaker> well, that's probably not a nml2nfo issue but *somewhen* the pnfos not being updated to the NML
11:57:42  <Ammler> I guess, I revert the whole test... :-(
11:57:44  <planetmaker> you could run a diff on the pnfos
11:57:44  <Yexo> Ammler: "make && make clean && make"
11:57:58  <Yexo> assuming "make clean" doesn't delete the pnfos
11:58:05  <planetmaker> and if there's a diff... the reason for the M is clear
11:58:07  <Ammler> Yexo: it doesn't
11:58:23  <planetmaker> is the diff empty?
11:58:23  <Ammler> planetmaker: of course there is a diff, it removes files
11:58:41  <planetmaker> and then running nml2nfo regenerates them
11:58:50  <planetmaker> so there should be no diff
11:58:53  <Ammler> yep, the but the version detection is before that
11:58:55  <Yexo> yes, however the revision check is probably done before running nml2nfo
11:59:01  <planetmaker> ah
11:59:29  <Ammler> planetmaker: I added md5check to compare the nfos before and after, those are the same
11:59:44  <planetmaker> ok, good to know :-)
12:00:39  <Ammler> for now, I just move the test to another branch, ok?
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12:01:17  <Ammler> I have a little change/fix to create a new branch :-)
12:04:33  <planetmaker> I guess it needs a branch as compilation cannot be tested locally?
12:05:33  <Yexo> Ammler: why not modify the makefile to run create the pnfo files before running the version check?
12:07:11  <Ammler> well, it needs more, as the source bundle does not support it
12:07:23  <Ammler> I tried to sed Makefile.dist but without success
12:08:19  <planetmaker> Ammler: ok, then create a branch. And in that branch do that right as it might be then anyway:
12:08:28  <planetmaker> delete the generated pnfo files from the repo
12:08:42  <planetmaker> and add USE_NML2NFO=1 to makefile.config
12:09:12  <planetmaker> if there's a branch it can be done correctly anyway ;-)
12:09:30  <planetmaker> hm... well. unless we want to keep the pnfo. Dunno :-)
12:10:37  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Revision 678:71ce801deb3f: Change/Fix (r527): [Makefile] do not copy Makefile.local as ... (Ammler) @
12:10:58  <Ammler> planetmaker: well, on a branch, it is useless, as we yet don't build nightlies for branches
12:11:31  <planetmaker> got yourself a task? ;-)
12:11:39  <planetmaker> can they be manually triggered?
12:11:47  <Ammler> of course with tag
12:12:28  <planetmaker> hm...
12:12:50  <Ammler> r678 could be ported to Makefile Framework
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13:00:24  <andythenorth> Ammler: hi,
13:00:27  <andythenorth> what runs
13:00:28  <andythenorth> ?
13:00:41  <andythenorth> is it a hg extension, or some app?
13:00:49  <andythenorth> need it for another project, except it uses svn :(
13:02:16  <planetmaker> hg has its own web server for that
13:02:42  <planetmaker> hgserve
13:02:43  <Webster> Title: hgserve - Mercurial (at
13:02:44  <planetmaker>
13:09:46  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2061:c20b412e7b65: Codechange: disable debug parameter a... (yexo) @
13:09:58  <Yexo> with ^^ the nml conversion actually runs
13:10:02  <Yexo> so it's ready for testing now
13:10:04  <Yexo> andythenorth: ^^
13:10:08  <andythenorth> Yexo: cool thanks
13:10:14  <andythenorth> working at the moment, will test tonight :D
13:10:30  <planetmaker> cool
13:10:57  <Yexo> didn't test anything yet besides starting a new game with it and looking at the graphics / a few industry strings
13:13:35  <planetmaker> well :-) that's definitely a positive start
13:14:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/cets registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/cets
13:14:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/cets created
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13:15:17  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 0:a2177b9eb9cd: Add: Initialize repository (planetmaker) @
13:15:54  <Yexo> you're starting it now already?
13:16:09  <planetmaker> not really
13:16:21  <planetmaker> but it could be a place to collect sprites for instance
13:16:30  <planetmaker> and might get some people motivated
13:16:46  <Yexo> good point
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13:17:23  <planetmaker> Are you interested in becoming manager there, too?
13:17:46  <Yexo> if I can help, sure
13:18:04  <planetmaker> I'm sure you could :-)
13:18:25  <planetmaker> And... NL has its own TS, but... I consider it central Europe, too and much rolling stock is shared.
13:18:53  <planetmaker> I'm not quite sure how to put emphasis on different trains yet... but I guess that'll come
13:19:01  <Yexo> the dutch ts is quite good, apart from licensing issues
13:19:22  <planetmaker> yeah
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13:32:15  <planetmaker> though there's nothing than an empty project so far with anything else than a fancy name ;-)
13:32:21  <planetmaker> but the grf compiles :-P
13:33:40  <JVassie> CETS?
13:33:42  <JVassie> :p
13:33:48  <planetmaker> central european train set
13:34:01  <planetmaker> I'm just too lazy to type long names
13:34:25  <planetmaker> and it allows us some freedom
13:34:42  <JVassie> I know what it stands for, but didnt know what you were talking about :p
13:34:43  <planetmaker> like: what is Germany in 1870?
13:34:47  <planetmaker> or Austria?
13:34:52  <JVassie> ;)
13:48:54  <planetmaker> JVassie: in the small city of braunschweig
13:49:10  <JVassie> not heard of it Im afraid :(
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13:52:06  <Ammler> [15:00] <andythenorth> what runs <-- nginx/uwsgi
13:52:17  <Ammler> it is a python app like you know
13:52:53  <Ammler> there are other ways to deply python apps
13:53:06  <Ammler> but svn, I would deploy with apache
13:53:30  <Ammler> but using svn today for new project is simply stupid
13:54:23  <Ammler> oh gone :-)
13:54:44  <Terkhen> as usual :P
13:55:07  <Ammler> hehe
13:58:54  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1414:764fb9ba7835: Change #2649: spritesets can now be defined ev... (yexo) @
14:07:56  <planetmaker> Ho ho. Sounds convenient :-)
14:10:12  <Terkhen> great :)
14:12:58  <Yexo> a nice by-effect of the ogfx+airports bug that uses too many action2 IDs
14:19:15  <planetmaker> :-)
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14:43:21  <Hirundo> Yexo: Does r1414 fix the bug?
14:43:58  <Yexo> it doesn't yet
14:44:10  <Yexo> see the plan in the issue tracker, this was only step 1
14:44:25  <Yexo> hence the "Change: ", not "Fix: "
14:48:15  <Hirundo> IMO forward referencing, while convenient, makes for less readable code, though it doesn't really matter much
14:48:40  <Hirundo> But that's my opinion, forcing that upon NML users is not needed :)
14:50:04  <Yexo> I agree on that, however it's easier to not force it than to force it on NML users
14:55:31  <planetmaker> :-) I agree on both accounts
15:25:02  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Support #2750 (New): Tracking Table (JVassie) @
15:25:14  <JVassie> woo bot
15:25:15  <JVassie> :D
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17:10:27  <Brot6> nml: update from r1410 to r1414 done -
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17:18:57  <Brot6> firs: update from r2059 to r2060 done -
17:20:36  <Brot6> opengfx: update from r677 to r678 done -
17:20:46  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r93), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), chips (r141), comic-houses (r71), fish (r653), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec (r831), grfpack (r279), heqs (r605),
17:20:46  <Brot6> indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), newgrf_makefile (r294), nml (r1414), nutracks (r202), ogfx-industries (r119), ogfx-landscape (r69), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r242), ogfx-trees (r50), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), sub-landscape (ERROR r66), sub-opengfx (ERROR r666), swedishrails (r202), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r34),
17:20:50  <Brot6> ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset (r672)
17:22:04  <Ammler> planetmaker: I pushed the bookmark nml2nfo, if we want to get it working again :-)
17:22:30  <planetmaker> ok
17:22:52  <Ammler> shall I create a ticket about?
17:22:53  <planetmaker> what's the difference between tag and bookmark, though?
17:23:04  <Ammler> bookmark is rather a branch
17:23:19  <planetmaker> hm
17:23:33  <Ammler> <-- shows it nicely
17:23:48  <Ammler> as you can't name a branch later
17:24:26  <Ammler> so the "unnamed branch" is at least bookmarked, this is the "git way" :-)
17:24:38  <planetmaker> ok :-)
17:25:09  * planetmaker --> back to getting named layer access working
17:25:12  <Ammler> easier as revert and possible reintroduce again
17:25:22  <planetmaker> yup
17:25:45  <Ammler> I will add a ticket about the issue
17:27:06  <Brot6> sub-landscape: compile of r66 still failed (#2616) -
17:27:44  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2745 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @
17:27:44  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Bug #2745 (Closed): DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @
17:27:58  <Brot6> sub-opengfx: compile of r666 still failed (#2586) -
17:28:05  <Ammler> bookmark is a moving tag, it would automatically move to the head, if someone continues on that branch
17:28:46  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: airportsplus (Diffsize: 12), belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), frenchtowns, german-townnames, indonesiantowns (1 errors) (Diffsize: 1), manindu (Diffsize: 1), narvs, newgrf_makefile, ogfx-industries (Diffsize: 57), ogfx-landscape (Diffsize: 21), ogfx-rv, ogfx-trains, spanishtowns (Diffsize: 1), swedishrails (Diffsize: 385), swisstowns
17:30:58  <Yexo> Ammler: how is that different from a branch?
17:31:08  <Ammler> Yexo: it isn't basically
17:31:37  <Ammler> the main advantage or disadvantage is that bookmarks are not part of the repo
17:31:44  <Ammler> like on git
17:32:06  <Ammler> you push/pull those with -B
17:32:19  <Ammler> and you need hg version 1.8
17:32:28  <Yexo> I see, while branches mark every commit on them a bookmark works more like a constantly-updating tag
17:32:36  <Ammler> yep
17:34:10  <Ammler> but it is not part of the changeset
17:34:28  <Yexo> of course not, otherwise it couldn't be updated
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17:36:08  <Ammler> well, it needs you to push it additionally to a remote repo
17:36:21  <Ammler> that is the downside
17:37:58  <Ammler> it is mainly done for hg-git :-)
17:47:25  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #2751 (Feedback): build nfos from nml for distro (Ammler) @
17:47:56  <Brot6> OpenGFX - Feature #2751 (Feedback): build nfos from nml for distro (Ammler) @
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18:27:05  <Ammler> andy it is quite hard to answer you if you join/part the whole day
18:27:52  <Ammler> or in other words, instead highlight and question, just create a ticket
18:28:24  <Ammler> afaik not just my feeling :-)
18:33:37  <andythenorth> I tried the bouncer, but I couldn't understand it
18:33:55  <andythenorth> I should maybe take another approach
18:34:05  <andythenorth> and not be present on irc during work hours
18:34:15  <andythenorth> which would solve it
18:38:34  <Ammler> well, it is basically just an issue, if you make questions with highlights :-)
18:39:14  <Ammler> I am used to read back those :-P
18:39:19  <Yexo> even than it's not really an issue, you'll just miss answer occasionally
18:39:59  <Ammler> yes, makes the answer useless
20:03:25  <andythenorth> so what's the go with FIRS?  nml conversion works?
20:03:29  <andythenorth> how do I compile?
20:04:30  <Yexo> hg up 'branch(0.6)' && make
20:05:22  <Terkhen> I was about to start a new game; if FIRS with nml works I can use it
20:05:45  <andythenorth> abort: unknown revision 'branch(0.6)'!
20:06:16  <Yexo> what was the syntax for that again
20:06:18  <Yexo> Ammler: ?
20:06:28  <Terkhen> hg up 0.6 IIRC
20:06:39  <Yexo> Terkhen: that ups to the tag 0.6
20:06:45  <Yexo> which should never have been called 0.6
20:07:04  <Yexo> andythenorth: currently tip 0f 0.6 branch is r2061
20:07:26  <Ammler> Yexo: I wanted to fix it, but planetmaker declined my fix :-P
20:07:55  <Ammler> (renaming tag 0.6 to 0.6.0)
20:08:29  <Ammler> andythenorth: what hg version do you use?
20:08:39  <andythenorth> 1.6
20:08:45  <Yexo> Ammler: but that breaks the existing "0.6" version
20:08:52  <Yexo> ie you wouldn't be able to rebuild it
20:09:01  <Ammler> yeah, needs 1.7 for the command yexo posted, afaik
20:09:06  <Ammler> Yexo: not really
20:09:15  <Yexo> Ammler: name of tag is encoded in the grf
20:09:21  <Ammler> why would you need to rebuild tag 0.6?
20:09:32  <andythenorth> r2061 appears to work in game
20:09:43  <andythenorth> quick coop game?
20:10:18  * Terkhen would play
20:10:29  <Ammler> yacd?
20:10:33  * Yexo not, but I'll be available to quick fix any issues that arise
20:10:58  <andythenorth> yacd
20:10:59  <Terkhen> andythenorth: I have a newgrf preset ready, send me the newgrf and I can create a map if you want :P
20:11:04  <Ammler> I can host/setup if you want :-)
20:11:10  <andythenorth> Terkhen you can't compile?
20:11:18  <Terkhen> not on windows
20:11:27  <andythenorth> hasn't the bundle server built it?
20:11:27  <Ammler> if you use yacd, you can do it self on
20:11:29  <andythenorth> I guess not
20:11:43  <Ammler> andythenorth: yes we have
20:11:44  <Terkhen> Ammler: that would be nice :)
20:11:55  <Ammler> andythenorth: type !download at
20:12:25  <Terkhen> r2061 of FIRS is not at bundles
20:12:29  * andythenorth doesn't understand
20:12:58  <Yexo> Terkhen: it's not a normal nightly
20:14:29  * andythenorth wonders why macports can't update ports tree
20:15:22  <Ammler> you should tag it as 0.6.x-beta
20:15:29  <andythenorth>
20:15:35  <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - (andythenorth) @
20:15:38  <Ammler> or so :-)
20:34:08  <andythenorth> Yexo: I was thinking of maybe doing #2690
20:34:09  <Brot6> andythenorth: Yexo: #2690 is "CHIPS Station Set - Feature #2690: Decide whether to have one or two classes of station - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
20:34:21  <andythenorth> can't figure out how to add strings for the station classes though
20:35:23  <Yexo> see last line of lang/strings.pnfo
20:35:35  <Yexo> pick any tile that is inside that category to set the name
20:35:43  <andythenorth> ah that makes sense now
20:35:49  <andythenorth> it was baffling me :)
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21:06:03  <Yexo> planetmaker: Trying to test #2652, but I can't find airport-hangar.png
21:06:03  <Brot6> Yexo: planetmaker: #2652 is "NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #2652: Handling / usage of action2 ids - #openttdcoop Development Zone"
21:10:40  <planetmaker> <-- Yexo
21:10:47  <Yexo> yes, just found that :)
21:11:00  <planetmaker> :-)
21:11:32  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #2746 (New): station support (Hirundo) @
21:11:32  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1415:067672d0bedc: Fix #2649: change how real sprites are referen... (yexo) @
21:11:32  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #2652 (Closed): Handling / usage of action2 ids (yexo) @
21:11:33  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2649 (Closed): allocation sprites/spritelayouts (yexo) @
21:50:35  <andythenorth> gah
21:50:39  * andythenorth is in a branch :P
21:51:54  <andythenorth> how do I get out of the branch?
21:52:08  <andythenorth> I thought it was hg up default
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21:53:12  <Ammler> andythenorth: yep, hg up <branch>
21:53:24  <andythenorth> hmm
21:53:32  <andythenorth> I need to hg up a specific rev?
21:53:50  <Ammler> branch does update to branch head
21:54:12  <andythenorth> hmm
21:54:14  <andythenorth> oh well
21:54:33  <andythenorth> maybe I should go to bed instead :P
21:54:52  <andythenorth> otherwise I break my repo
21:55:05  <Ammler> you have not committed changes?
21:55:16  <andythenorth> no
21:55:21  <Ammler> I don't think, you can break a repo
21:55:23  <andythenorth> but I can't get off the 0.6 branch
21:55:34  <Yexo> andythenorth: what is the result of "hg up default" ?
21:55:35  <Ammler> hg up -c default
21:55:51  <andythenorth> done
21:55:55  <andythenorth> thanks
21:56:22  <Ammler> in any case, update your hg please
21:56:29  <Ammler> it is very outdated
21:56:59  <andythenorth> I have 1.7 now ;)
21:57:09  <Yexo> andythenorth: did you play with firs already? (the nml conversion I mean)
21:57:10  <Ammler> still old :-P
21:57:28  <Yexo> 1.7 is not that old, is it?
21:57:39  <Ammler> 1.8.4 is current
21:57:44  <andythenorth> macports doesn't know a newer one, so not much I can do easily :P
21:57:54  <andythenorth> Yexo: yes, we've been playing a coop game
21:57:57  <Ammler> ok :-)
21:58:07  <Yexo> andythenorth: so? stable enough to release 0.6.5?
21:58:25  <andythenorth> seems so
21:58:34  <andythenorth> does a diff show any differences?
21:58:34  <Yexo> shall i create the tag?
21:58:34  <Ammler> (and to merge into default...)
21:58:41  <Ammler> :-P
21:58:54  <Yexo> andythenorth: diff is useless, you can't compare manual nfo code with nfo output from nml
21:59:01  <andythenorth> oh
21:59:11  <Yexo> Ammler: no, we want 0.6.5 to be tested by users first
21:59:26  <andythenorth> maybe we should test a bit more with the coop game tomorrow
21:59:52  <Ammler> hehe, users are always good to test, imo :-)
22:01:20  <andythenorth> if it's broken, it just gets FIRS a bad rep
22:01:32  <andythenorth> with Bananas, there's no way to explain what we're doing
22:01:54  <Yexo> andythenorth: but it isn't broken big time, or you would've noticed today
22:02:08  <andythenorth> didn't really check production code or such yet
22:02:16  <andythenorth> not enough cargo moving :)
22:02:17  <Ammler> andythenorth: not possible to make firs bad
22:02:18  <Yexo> ok, let's await tomorrow then
22:02:26  <Ammler> firs is already too popular
22:02:35  <andythenorth> firs has not a great reputation tbh
22:02:50  <andythenorth> the download counts aren't that high
22:02:56  <andythenorth> and plenty of misconceptions about it
22:03:02  <Ammler> well, it is hard to play
22:03:13  <andythenorth> "release early, release often" isn't foolproof :P
22:03:53  <Ammler> of course, you could have made it private and maybe in 5 years release 0.85
22:04:00  <andythenorth> :D
22:04:04  <andythenorth> hmm
22:04:08  <andythenorth> maybe I broke my repo
22:04:10  <andythenorth> not sure
22:04:12  <andythenorth> confused
22:04:29  <Yexo> what did you do?
22:04:55  <andythenorth> added some files to local filesystem
22:05:02  <andythenorth> whilst on 0.6 branch
22:05:07  <andythenorth> then hg add
22:05:12  <andythenorth> then switch branch
22:05:23  <Yexo> and what is the problem now?
22:05:24  <andythenorth> I didn't commit
22:05:24  <Ammler> hg revert .
22:05:45  <andythenorth> but hg thinks the files are (a) tracked and (b) unmodified
22:06:01  <Ammler> added is not committed
22:06:28  <andythenorth> they don't show up in any way with hg st
22:06:39  <andythenorth> they should show up somehow there
22:07:02  <Ammler> then how you know, those are "tracked"?
22:07:16  <andythenorth> because if I try to add them, hg tells me they are tracked
22:07:24  <Ammler> yep
22:07:32  <Ammler> so what's the issue?
22:07:57  <andythenorth> hg's view of my local filesystem is wrong
22:08:02  <andythenorth> which implies broken repo to me
22:08:05  <andythenorth> hmm
22:08:11  <Ammler> hg st -A
22:08:12  <andythenorth> I did update hg meanwhile
22:08:29  <Ammler> -c does "revert" bad things :-)
22:08:51  <Ammler> hmm
22:08:59  <Ammler> no -C does
22:09:11  <andythenorth> maybe I am looking at the wrong thing
22:09:15  <andythenorth> user error I think
22:09:22  <andythenorth> time for bed :(
22:10:04  <andythenorth> good night :)
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