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00:00:11 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1506:9b62fd938ddd: Add #1555: Random trigger callbacks for houses... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/9b62fd938ddd 00:00:11 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1505:ebaff9e5400f: Feature #1555: Cargo callbacks. 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There are too much wireless networks around here 10:30:16 <FooBar> Now I've moved to channel 13; I bet nobody dares to use that! 10:38:05 *** ODM has quit IRC 10:53:59 <FooBar> nml question: how can I add the purchase menu sprite and run the vehicle property callback for the purchase menu? 11:03:29 <planetmaker> purchase menu is "cargo" 0xFF in the graphics block 11:03:41 <planetmaker> probably that even has a special name, different from 0xFF 11:04:56 <FooBar> can I just use 0xFF in the graphics block then? 11:05:10 <FooBar> couldn't find anything about that in the documentation 11:06:11 <FooBar> actually, there isn't anything about the graphics block in the documentation, apart from in some examples :) 11:09:53 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:15:39 <planetmaker> well, FooBar, documentation amendments are always welcome ;-) 11:15:47 <planetmaker> but yes, you can just use it there 11:16:09 <planetmaker> but I'm sure a 'cargo' called 'purchase' or similar exists... ;-) 11:16:31 <FooBar> well, I first need to know how it works before I can submit a suggestion for the documentation ;) 11:16:45 <planetmaker> works exactly the same as if you used the default block 11:17:12 <planetmaker> it's just a different action2 branch ;-) 11:17:34 <FooBar> well, 0xFF works 11:18:33 <planetmaker> but is ugly ;-) 11:18:38 <FooBar> I also see that I don't have to run the articulated vehicle callback in the buy menu. I'm just going to let the buy menu use the capacity property, and do the capacity of the vehicle with the callback 11:18:48 <FooBar> yes, it indeed is ugly 11:18:53 <planetmaker> use 'purchase' 11:18:54 <FooBar> I'll try purchase now :) 11:19:01 <planetmaker> should work afaik ;-) 11:19:25 <planetmaker> it often helps to have a look at nml sources ;-) 11:19:36 <FooBar> I try to avoid that 11:19:42 <planetmaker> it's just python 11:19:55 <FooBar> I try to avoid that 11:19:57 <FooBar> :P 11:20:02 <planetmaker> :-P 11:20:21 * andythenorth wonders what nml src looks like 11:21:14 <andythenorth> python must look broken to a lot of people 11:22:43 <FooBar> not really broken, but it looks like things are missing 11:23:04 <FooBar> like different types of delimiters 11:24:07 <andythenorth> ho 11:24:19 <Ammler> indent mess 11:24:29 <andythenorth> where is the mess? 11:24:32 <andythenorth> it looks clean to me 11:24:44 <Ammler> is it tab or spaces? 11:24:51 <andythenorth> it wouldn't compile if it's indented wrong 11:24:59 <andythenorth> the tabs vs. spaces war is such a pointless one 11:25:05 <FooBar> it appears to me that indent defines where say an if ends? 11:25:06 <Ammler> :-) 11:25:15 <planetmaker> pointless, but important for python. And make actually, too 11:25:23 <planetmaker> and it's just the opposite. 11:25:30 <planetmaker> Cost me quite a lot of nerves already 11:25:35 <andythenorth> really? 11:25:38 <Ammler> btw., I am now pro to deploy python apps :-P 11:25:45 <planetmaker> maybe I remember wrongly ;-) 11:26:23 <Ammler> everything runs with (G)unicorn now :-) 11:26:34 <andythenorth> I have n problems with badly indented html in my day job 11:26:37 <andythenorth> where n > small 11:26:42 <andythenorth> very annoying 11:26:44 <andythenorth> but python never 11:26:53 <andythenorth> nvm who edited it, what their settings were etc 11:26:58 <Ammler> html cares about indent? 11:27:11 <FooBar> no, but people who write html do 11:27:21 <FooBar> it's completely unreadable without indent 11:27:22 <Ammler> people write html? 11:27:28 <Ammler> that sounds silly 11:27:42 <andythenorth> must be lost in translation :P 11:27:44 <FooBar> I write html al the time; albeit via php, but it's still html 11:27:47 <andythenorth> doesn't sound silly to me 11:28:07 * andythenorth would like to offer vertical columns as useful addon to editor 11:28:08 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/2charcol.png 11:28:09 <Ammler> you don't use framework? 11:28:17 <andythenorth> I'll sell them to you guys for a time 11:28:39 <planetmaker> andythenorth, nedit can do that for ages ;-) 11:28:40 <andythenorth> frameworks that auto-generate the html are annoying 11:28:48 <andythenorth> they just get in the way 11:28:54 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1501:883e3fea461f: Add: Airport variable 40. 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(planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/cfa0c1b9f362 11:29:29 <FooBar> I must admit, the html that results from my php is usually all on one line... :P 11:29:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: did you already check paste.openttdcoop.org and d.paste.openttdcoop.org 11:29:48 <Ammler> which one should I run? 11:30:35 <Ammler> main difference is that d. doesn't use silly web2.0 stuff for the format chosing 11:31:12 <planetmaker> the main difference is that d... doesn't break for too long lines 11:32:11 <andythenorth> too long lines happens a lot in python 11:32:18 <andythenorth> iirc PEP 80 says they're not bad 11:32:32 <andythenorth> pep 8 /s 11:32:53 <andythenorth> hmm 11:32:56 <andythenorth> I am 100% wrong 11:33:02 <andythenorth> not even a bit wrong 11:33:12 <andythenorth> totally absolutely mistaken :P 11:33:42 <Ammler> planetmaker: well, I didn't port all my fixes from paste, yet 11:34:16 <planetmaker> Well. But I'm saying that d is better ;-) 11:34:22 <planetmaker> as it does NOT break 11:34:26 <Ammler> example please 11:34:41 <planetmaker> just paste a realllllly long line 11:34:47 <planetmaker> and see how it is displayed in both 11:35:04 <planetmaker> longer than the paste display area 11:35:09 <Ammler> yes, so you prefer the scrollbar? 11:35:11 <Ammler> seriously? 11:35:19 <Ammler> IMO, that is ugly 11:35:24 <planetmaker> it is 11:35:28 <Ammler> but well, that can be enabled again 11:35:43 <planetmaker> but the other solution... is that better? 11:35:48 <Ammler> yes, of course 11:36:02 <planetmaker> I've then the same scrollbar on the browser window and a broken layout 11:36:03 <Ammler> at least the scrollbar is from the browser 11:36:10 <Ammler> not in unreachable layer 11:36:45 <Ammler> it is specially ugly for big content, when you have vertical scrollbar 11:37:17 <Ammler> ah no 11:37:24 <Ammler> it is for horizontal only 11:37:49 <Ammler> well, we can keep both 11:38:42 <Ammler> andythenorth, FooBar: this http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/319/ or http://d.paste.openttdcoop.org/show/319/ 11:39:36 <andythenorth> scrollbar 11:39:50 <andythenorth> one looks broken 11:39:59 <Ammler> oh, yes, does that matter? 11:40:02 <andythenorth> one uses the affordance the browser provides to deal with content that is too wide 11:40:07 <andythenorth> one is correct 11:40:09 <andythenorth> one isn't 11:40:25 <Ammler> one does scroll in layer, the other with browser 11:40:32 <Ammler> well, I disable that again 11:40:58 <FooBar> first one indeed looks broken, but with long pastes I think it's easier: the scrollbar is always in view 11:41:01 <andythenorth> the one where the content overflows the container is wrong :) 11:41:04 <Ammler> but IMO, it is very annoying having scrollbars in the layer, specially if the content is that big, that the scrollbar is not reachable 11:41:19 <Ammler> andythenorth: but useable 11:41:22 <andythenorth> everyone has horizontal scroll on trackpad? 11:41:24 <andythenorth> not usable 11:41:30 <andythenorth> because it looks broken 11:41:37 <andythenorth> broken = cognition problem 11:41:39 <FooBar> my mouse doesn't have a trackpad ;) 11:41:58 <andythenorth> you can get mice with trackpad on top :P 11:42:19 <Ammler> andythenorth: compare http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/320/ and http://d.paste.openttdcoop.org/show/320/ 11:42:32 <andythenorth> yeah 11:42:35 <andythenorth> both broken :) 11:42:40 <andythenorth> one is hiding overflow 11:42:51 <Ammler> nono 11:42:52 <andythenorth> the other is allowing overflow to break out of the containing element 11:42:56 <Ammler> scroll down :-P 11:43:12 <andythenorth> you have just won the argument :P 11:43:14 <andythenorth> good point 11:43:22 <FooBar> I would have the top links on one line to save space 11:43:26 <andythenorth> how interesting 11:43:45 <Ammler> FooBar: those are hiddeable 11:43:59 <Ammler> just click on titlebar there 11:44:38 <FooBar> oh wait, never mind. My browser didn't load some css 11:45:27 <planetmaker> hm... does paste loose when it has an internal server error? 11:45:31 <FooBar> Here the OpenTTD, #openttdcoop etc links were just a vertical list 11:45:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: yes 11:45:50 <Ammler> :'-( 11:46:52 <Ammler> maybe it is because I run 2 different servers on same app? 11:49:00 * dihedral waves hello to Ammler and pm 11:49:05 <dihedral> uh - a FooBar :-) 11:49:14 <dihedral> and andythenorth 11:49:15 <dihedral> \o/ 11:49:16 <Ammler> Saletti Mr. Dih 11:49:16 <dihedral> oi 11:49:23 <planetmaker> huhu dihedral 11:49:26 <dihedral> uh 11:49:30 <dihedral> a capital D ... 11:49:32 <dihedral> urgs :-D 11:49:38 <dihedral> :-P 11:49:51 <FooBar> hi dihedral 11:50:03 <Ammler> i like captial letters 11:50:10 <planetmaker> hm... nedit looks rather funny, if you open 700 text documents. 11:50:12 <FooBar> I'd say, I have two :P 11:50:17 <planetmaker> And the close dialogue looks even more funny 11:50:24 <planetmaker> luckily space confirms ;-) 11:50:30 * andythenorth ponders 11:50:43 <Ammler> planetmaker: what about the menu for chosing paste format? 11:50:53 <Ammler> or the others 11:50:59 <planetmaker> the format didn't look much different to me? 11:51:23 <Ammler> one is "old" menu, the other some silly web2.0 autocomplete thing 11:51:38 <Ammler> or how that is called :-) 11:51:51 <andythenorth> we should code something :o 11:52:00 <andythenorth> hi FooBar btw 11:52:08 <andythenorth> long time no chat 11:52:11 <Ammler> you need to compare new paste 11:52:24 <planetmaker> btw, andythenorth, FIRS-nml got its first two templates ;-) 11:52:29 <FooBar> hi andythenorth, last time was some PM I believe :) 11:52:50 <andythenorth> planetmaker: awesome 11:53:01 <andythenorth> doe nml support extended action 2? 11:53:10 <andythenorth> advanced / extended /s 11:53:12 <planetmaker> it could also give you an idea how that would go for other templates 11:53:24 <planetmaker> yes, it does. And uses them by default 11:53:29 <andythenorth> so 11:53:41 <planetmaker> actually there's no way to forbid it to use it 11:53:50 <andythenorth> nfo FIRS had templates for tiles - to allow for climate specific graphics 11:54:01 <andythenorth> that could likely be replaced with advanced? 11:54:12 <planetmaker> maybe, yes 11:54:14 <andythenorth> a lot more logic needed though 11:54:41 <andythenorth> would be helpful if we could just switch action 1 :P 11:54:57 <Ammler> ok, I port the "old menu" back to paste, as there was no objections, I keep the "ugly" scrollbar for long lines 11:55:10 <andythenorth> ugly but usable :P 11:55:17 <Ammler> exactly :-P 11:55:19 * andythenorth is defeated 11:55:37 <Ammler> it is only ugly, if you have big lines 11:55:51 <Ammler> and paste does not necessary need to be nice 11:55:55 <Ammler> just useable 11:57:14 <Ammler> btw. is there anywhere a link to the new tt-wiki? 11:58:23 <andythenorth> beautiful things are more usable: http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/emotion_design_attractive_things_work_better.html 11:58:24 <Webster> Title: Don Norman's jnd.org / Emotion & Design: Attractive things work better (at www.jnd.org) 12:02:59 <planetmaker> http://d.paste.openttdcoop.org/show/321/ <-- this paragraph from there probably summarises it ;-) 12:03:47 <planetmaker> sometimes I really wonder, though, andythenorth where you got all these links from ;-) 12:05:14 <andythenorth> that paragraph explains why I put up with really irritating GUI in ottd 12:05:28 <andythenorth> but I wouldn't do same in photoshop :P 12:06:37 <planetmaker> :-) 12:06:48 <Ammler> ok, then we keep it nice but unuseable :-P 12:07:03 <Ammler> you have convinced me 12:07:40 <Ammler> but the format menu? 12:08:12 <andythenorth> Ammler: there's no best way with that pastebin scrollbar issue 12:08:33 <andythenorth> the thing with doing a gui design, is - whatever decision you make, it's wrong :P 12:09:09 * planetmaker would actually like a button which reads "auto-wrap lines" or possibly better a button which shows the lines wrapped 12:09:53 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.com/DPP5rzxV <-- here, like this 12:10:09 <planetmaker> and raw shows it unwrapped 12:10:38 <planetmaker> hm, though, that has no button for that either ;-) 12:10:59 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 2:fbacaec2e738: Update: basic nml code, all systems go, ready to add ve... (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/fbacaec2e738 12:10:59 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 3:80aaa7aec978: Add: original sources (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/80aaa7aec978 12:15:08 <andythenorth> FooBar: have you played any FIRS games recently? 12:16:14 <Ammler> pastebin.com is ugly 12:16:24 <Ammler> simply because of fixed width 12:16:42 <FooBar> andythenorth: a while ago I played with r1989 and UKRS2+eGRVTS 12:16:43 <Ammler> I am not aware of a nice homepage with fixed widths 12:16:55 <andythenorth> Ammler: it's not an easy problem to solve. There's no right answer 12:16:59 <planetmaker> but... it has a button for that, Ammler ;-) 12:17:08 <planetmaker> lower right: "layout width" 12:17:16 <andythenorth> FooBar: what did you think? 12:17:33 <FooBar> no real complaints or issues; only a lot of recycling depots, but I believe that was fixed in a later revision 12:17:48 <Ammler> andythenorth: I know, it is much easier to make homepage with fixed with 12:18:01 <Ammler> witdh 12:18:05 <Ammler> mäh 12:18:06 <andythenorth> depends on the content 12:18:16 <FooBar> was mainly surprised how it had matured during the time I wasn't involved 12:18:27 <andythenorth> the two best options are fixed-width, centered and left-aligned, liquid 12:18:36 <andythenorth> FooBar: quite a lot got done :) 12:18:44 <FooBar> yes, I noticed that! 12:18:53 <andythenorth> plenty left to do :P 12:19:01 <planetmaker> :-D 12:19:11 <Ammler> andythenorth: became most active artist and coder :-P 12:20:24 <Ammler> andythenorth: maybe I am special user, but I prefer viewing most homepage with maximized window 12:20:59 <planetmaker> Ammler, usually that's good. But you don't want to stretch a text body usually over two screens or so. Too long lines are hard to read 12:21:05 <Ammler> I don't see the use of multiple window at same time viewable 12:21:26 <planetmaker> hm... viewable. You must be gimp user :-P 12:21:36 <Ammler> yeah, maximized on one screen, of course 12:21:48 <planetmaker> even then... it depends. 12:21:52 <planetmaker> on font size 12:31:53 *** Lakie has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 12:42:40 <dihedral> ^^ 12:42:51 <dihedral> my second screen only has a very limited function 12:42:54 <dihedral> mails & chat :-D 12:43:03 <dihedral> and toolbox for gimp 12:43:04 <dihedral> ^^ 12:45:03 * andythenorth has abolished second screen 12:50:22 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 4:dadc655007e4: Feature: HTM 21-168 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/dadc655007e4 12:50:28 <FooBar> hmpf, the unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' error is back :( 12:50:55 <FooBar> compile of r2 works, r4 gives that error multiple times 12:51:31 <FooBar> only difference is the file src/trams/htm_21.pnml 12:56:37 <FooBar> EDIT: also r3 doesn't work and gives the error 12:56:48 <FooBar> It appears that it doesn't like a directory named "sources" 12:59:26 <FooBar> confirmed: when I rename this sources dir it works fine again, also r4 13:00:58 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest1276 13:00:59 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 13:06:15 *** Guest1276 has quit IRC 13:11:22 <FooBar> planetmaker: could you hg strip 3 on the dutchtramset repo for me? I don't seem to be able to connect to the server to do that myself 13:37:59 <Ammler> FooBar: isn't it a nml bug? 13:38:18 <FooBar> don't know, but it is fixed by renaming the folder 13:38:28 <Ammler> or makefile maybe 13:38:50 <Ammler> why do you want to strip? 13:39:02 <FooBar> easier than renaming 200 files 13:39:25 <Ammler> hg should be able to track renames 13:39:29 <Ammler> shouldn't be a big task 13:39:36 <Terkhen> can't you use hg mv to rename the files? 13:39:45 <FooBar> plus it keeps the repo cleaner 13:39:57 <FooBar> Terkhen: yes, I can do that, but don't like doing that 200 times 13:40:00 <Ammler> well, strip isn't very easy 13:40:25 <FooBar> Ammler: why? I strip here, repo gets stripped, done! 13:40:38 <Ammler> if you strip the repo on the server, you still have redmine, which fetched it 13:40:53 <FooBar> hmmm 13:41:27 <Ammler> well, I strip it 13:41:40 <Ammler> and in redmine, you need to remove the repo and add it again 13:42:01 <FooBar> ok 13:42:19 <Ammler> hg strip 0 done 13:42:53 <FooBar> ok, thanks! 13:43:10 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2139:13f2f5225a66: Codechange: use some more constants (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/13f2f5225a66 13:43:10 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2140:289a00079689: Codechange: use more constants in car... (yexo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/289a00079689 13:43:10 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2141:f5e657a960e9: Codechange: Name the slope check call... 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(foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/fbacaec2e738 13:47:27 <Ammler> sources is imo silly name anyway :-) 13:47:31 <Ammler> the whole repo is source 13:47:32 <FooBar> hmmm, the problem is not with the dir name, but with what's in it 13:48:03 <FooBar> how would you call a dir with files that you don't need to build the set, but are used to create it? 13:50:28 <Ammler> but I would be on the dep checks 13:51:42 <FooBar> it appears to be on the dep checks, yes 13:52:10 <FooBar> there are a few of those errors, last one directly before [MD5], others inbetween [DEP] 13:53:33 <Ammler> we keep the faulty repo for bugreport, ok? 13:53:55 <FooBar> the repo is not faulty at the moment 13:54:03 <FooBar> not after that strip :) 13:54:09 <Ammler> well, I have it here 13:54:11 <Ammler> hmm 13:55:14 <FooBar> I can zip the dir with the files and add that to the bugreport. I don't think it matters in what repo you put it, as long as they're added to it 13:55:34 <FooBar> I'll try to track down a file that causes the problem 13:56:00 <FooBar> that might be more useful 14:12:15 <Ammler> FooBar: if I copy your (bad) sources to a new nml project, it works 14:12:33 <Ammler> so it has something to do with your config 14:12:58 <FooBar> well, one thing I've found out is that there is a file with an @ in the name and it doesn't like that 14:13:55 <FooBar> it also doesn't like files with ( in the name 14:14:00 <Ammler> or spaces 14:14:11 <Ammler> but that is not what causes those errors 14:15:56 <FooBar> files with spaces don't seem to cause problems here 14:16:06 <FooBar> nor do files with a % in the name 14:16:23 <FooBar> tracked it down to two files: 14:16:25 <FooBar> _changes(obsolete).txt 14:16:33 <FooBar> Andre's fotoalbum deel 6 @ Fotopic.Net 14:16:50 <FooBar> Andre's fotoalbum deel 6 @ Fotopic.Net.url 14:16:58 <FooBar> (forgot the extension) 14:18:18 <FooBar> oh, it might not be the @, but the ' instead 14:19:48 <FooBar> no, @ is fine, it was the ' 14:20:00 <FooBar> but then files with two ' are fine 14:24:55 <planetmaker> <Ammler> sources is imo silly name anyway :-) <-- meanwhile I agree ;-) 14:25:08 <FooBar> suggestions on that? 14:25:12 <planetmaker> though with the folder src/png one could add a 'source' folder. 14:25:32 <planetmaker> But then... if one uses gimp in the makefile that's not needed then even as the psd / xcf could directly be the dep then 14:26:32 <planetmaker> FooBar, don't use filenames with any strange character 14:26:39 <planetmaker> spaces will definitely fail the makefile framework 14:27:58 <planetmaker> any of " '`'\/$ are certainly not good 14:28:02 <FooBar> I didn't choose these particular filenames 14:28:22 <FooBar> But I have to work with them now 14:29:04 <FooBar> do you want me to make a bugreport anyways? 14:29:38 <planetmaker> I can't fix handling those names 14:29:52 <planetmaker> maybe one can. But WAAAAAY too much work 14:30:00 <planetmaker> rename them 14:30:09 <FooBar> ok, then I don't do the bugreport :) 14:32:48 <Ammler> planetmaker: the issue is that it fails on dir sources but not on sourcesX 14:32:57 <Ammler> that is quite strange 14:33:30 <FooBar> Ammler: the dir name wasn't the problem if you ask me now 14:33:33 <planetmaker> I don't understand? 14:34:06 <FooBar> I suspected that it was the problem, but as usual I changed more than one thing at a time 14:36:46 <Ammler> ah, not committed 14:38:19 <Ammler> FooBar: yes, it wasn't 14:38:28 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:38:32 <Ammler> it worked here because I didn't commit 14:38:46 <Ammler> planetmaker: not possible to excluse it from dep check? 14:39:18 <planetmaker> which file(s)? 14:39:24 <FooBar> maybe an option to exclude certain dirs from the dep check? 14:39:32 <Ammler> ^ 14:39:43 <FooBar> That might also improve speed 14:40:06 <planetmaker> only the src dir is dep checked 14:40:07 <FooBar> most repos (I think) will have one of two dirs with stuff that isn't necessary for the grf to build 14:40:35 <FooBar> how come the errors came from my sourcefiles dir then? 14:40:55 <planetmaker> well... I guess, I lost you on your starting point. Make a bug report so that I can follow it and I might see. 14:41:05 <FooBar> ok 14:41:23 <planetmaker> but... well, if you add funny filenames ... all bets are off ;-) 14:42:09 <planetmaker> and where's your 'source' dir? A subdir of src? then it's part of src, of course 14:42:12 <Ammler> well, adding funny name to a dir which is not related to build should not matter, imo 14:42:34 <planetmaker> src and all subdirs are, though 14:44:46 <Ammler> https://hg.openttdcoop.org/source-test 14:44:56 <Ammler> run make here 14:46:56 <Ammler> btw. is it good idea, to add .devzone 14:46:56 <planetmaker> hm, ah 14:47:01 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #2842 (New): Filenames with ( or ' (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2842 14:47:12 <Ammler> FooBar: you can use my repo for your report 14:47:33 <FooBar> planetmaker: my source dir was in the root of the repo 14:47:48 <FooBar> or 'sourcefiles' as I called it later (same problems) 14:48:15 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Bug #2842: Filenames with ( or ' (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2842#change-7031 14:48:17 <planetmaker> yes, Ammler example shows where the issue lies 14:49:06 <FooBar> Ammler: I have .devzone sitting here to be added. There's no real use for nightlies right now, so I'll add that later 14:49:18 <planetmaker> Well, for now I can only give the advice to not use funky characters 14:49:30 <planetmaker> obviously anywhere ;-) 14:49:42 <Ammler> :-) 14:50:03 <planetmaker> thanks for the repo-example :-) 14:50:40 <Ammler> FooBar: that was question to planetmaker, I am not sure, if it good idea to add .devzone to start bundle 14:51:05 <FooBar> ah, then just ignore my reply ;) 14:51:20 <planetmaker> and I'm not sure whether to answer 'yes' or 'no' ;-) 14:51:27 <FooBar> I am away for a bit now by the way 14:51:32 <Ammler> then we are all agreed :-P 14:52:22 <planetmaker> hm :-) 14:52:46 <planetmaker> Ammler, it has pros and cons... Maybe add that as 5th bundle created by the makefile framework? 14:54:11 <planetmaker> or... I add a "configure" script to the download which will help configuring it in the first place and just offer one download... 14:54:15 <planetmaker> might even make more sense ;-) 14:56:36 <planetmaker> maybe a nice python script... 14:57:03 <planetmaker> hm... I should add this as task for 1.0 ;-) 14:58:04 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Revision 298:4239e9cc5b0f: Change: additional ignores for nml projects (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/newgrf-makefile/repository/revisions/4239e9cc5b0f 14:59:38 <Ammler> maybe also worth to make seperate .hgignore for nfo and nml 15:00:14 <planetmaker> yes 15:00:52 <Brot6> Example NewGRF Project - Feature #2843 (New): Common setup and configure script (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2843 15:03:23 <Ammler> dzc 15:03:28 <Ammler> devzone-console 15:04:00 <planetmaker> hm? 15:04:02 <Ammler> could also register project on devzone 15:04:07 <planetmaker> for? 15:04:35 <Ammler> a name for your setup and config script 15:04:54 <planetmaker> nah, it would be part of the makefile framework 15:05:13 <planetmaker> like other projects also have a configure or setup script 15:05:57 <planetmaker> I'd probably separate NML and NFO a bit more even... 15:06:38 <Ammler> well, i hoped it would help with .devzone too :-) 15:07:23 <Ammler> dzc build-enable nightlies 15:08:34 <planetmaker> well. But I'd add that to the configure of the project 15:09:16 <Ammler> well, how you get configure? 15:20:37 * andythenorth did some falling asleep 15:21:14 <planetmaker> Ammler, my idea is: download the file and run configure 15:21:33 <planetmaker> it will have you select a path, name, grfid, devzone usage,... - and then setup the repo accordingly 15:21:55 <planetmaker> by copying the appropriate files and replacing the dummy IDs / names with what was chosen 15:22:16 <planetmaker> and you then only have to update this one dir from which you can configure always new projects 15:23:24 * andythenorth is now awake again 15:23:40 <andythenorth> only so many days of 6hr sleeping time before my body rebels :P 15:45:15 *** Lakie has quit IRC 16:08:12 * planetmaker wonders when andythenorth will make his first NML commit ;-) 16:08:23 <planetmaker> anyway... dinner now :-) bbl 16:22:45 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:46:18 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 17:01:13 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:03:02 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:10:10 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2844 (New): DevZone compile failed (compiler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2844 17:19:59 <Brot6> firs: update from r2141 to r2153 done (51 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r2153 17:20:59 <Brot6> newgrf_makefile: update from r296 to r298 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/newgrf_makefile/nightlies/r298 17:22:10 <Brot6> source-test: update from to r2 done (6 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/source-test/nightlies/r2 17:22:27 <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: 2cctrainset (r750), 32bpp-extra (r40), ai-admiralai (r75), ai-aroai (r39), ailib-common (r21), ailib-direction (r17), ailib-list (r32), ailib-string (r29), ailib-tile (r16), airportsplus (r107), basecosts (r25), belarusiantowns (r8), bros (r52), cets (r5), chips (r143), comic-houses (r71), firs.nml (r2081), fish (r655), frenchtowns (r6), german-townnames (r34), grfcodec (r832), grfpack 17:22:27 <Brot6> (r279), heqs (r605), indonesiantowns (r41), manindu (r7), metrotrackset (r56), narvs (r37), nml (ERROR r1511), nutracks (r202), ogfx-industries (r121), ogfx-landscape (r70), ogfx-rv (r107), ogfx-trains (r245), ogfx-trees (r51), opengfx (r681), openmsx (r97), opensfx (r97), smts (r19), snowlinemod (r49), spanishtowns (r10), swedishrails (r203), swisstowns (r22), transrapidtrackset (r15), ttdviewer (r34), ttrs (r36), worldairlinersset 17:22:29 <Brot6> (r672) 17:24:04 <Brot6> narvs: compile of r37 still failed (#2789) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/narvs/nightlies/ERROR/r37 17:24:45 <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r121 still failed (#2792) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/ERROR/r121 17:38:46 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 3:94e458fdad83: Feature: HTM 2-168 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/94e458fdad83 17:38:46 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 4:473c6b7ecf54: Add: Photoshop palette and action files. (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/473c6b7ecf54 17:39:07 <Ammler> planetmaker: building source-test should not succeed, but that is a issue of makefile 17:42:10 <Ammler> I guess, I should make a rpm from wine4nml 17:43:26 *** frosch123 has quit IRC 18:05:57 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest1306 18:05:57 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 18:11:27 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 5:6b384929dcb4: Update: HTM 21 intro date and purchase description (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/6b384929dcb4 18:11:27 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 6:42cba68d3e33: Feature: RET 127-151 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/42cba68d3e33 18:45:35 <Brot6> .wine for NML - Revision 7:a3e8854ee51e: Change: create .wine and move all down (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/wine4nml/repository/revisions/a3e8854ee51e 18:51:12 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 7:b58732facb8a: Feature: RET 152-201 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/b58732facb8a 18:54:55 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #2845 (Assigned): Trailers 600-629 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2845 19:02:37 <Brot6> FIRS Industry Replacement Set - Revision 2154:4872848811c3: Codechange: Name many industry tiles (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/revisions/4872848811c3 19:03:18 * andythenorth is doing rivers and hoping lots of nice FIRS commits turn up meanwhile 19:03:24 <andythenorth> so far - looking good :) 19:03:30 <andythenorth> better than the rivers anyway 19:03:49 <planetmaker> pfff. I want OpenGFX rivers as well in return ;-) 19:05:00 <andythenorth> it's a big ask :P 19:05:09 <planetmaker> :-D 19:05:19 <andythenorth> you're looking at about 160 sprites (or more) 19:05:23 <andythenorth> and opengfx already has rivers 19:05:26 <planetmaker> I still thought that it can be drawn in a separate layer on the original ground sprites 19:05:32 <planetmaker> thus only one-time work on two backgrounds 19:05:37 <andythenorth> it can be drawn as an overlay yes 19:05:48 <andythenorth> but pretty much every pixel will need redrawn 19:06:00 <andythenorth> for the land 19:06:10 <andythenorth> and pretty much every pixel for the water border too 19:06:28 <andythenorth> so it's all in one file, but two entirely different layers 19:09:28 <andythenorth> only the shape is same 19:13:57 <planetmaker> hm... but... shores could be re-used, no? 19:14:14 <planetmaker> hm... oh well 19:14:45 <andythenorth> you might get 20% of it reusable ;) 19:27:47 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:27:58 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:42:02 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 19:42:03 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 19:56:21 *** bodis has quit IRC 20:00:21 <planetmaker> good night 20:02:59 <FooBar> good night planetmaker 20:03:04 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 8:63841be19a95: Change: rename some things in example code (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/63841be19a95 20:03:04 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 9:e9541fb6b196: Fix: vehicle length of RET 152 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/e9541fb6b196 20:03:04 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Revision 10:f1fc76f495fe: Feature: HTM 821-830 (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtramset/repository/revisions/f1fc76f495fe 20:03:24 <andythenorth> FooBar: you're committing stuff :) 20:03:30 <andythenorth> you found some free time? 20:03:42 <FooBar> summer holidays ;) 20:04:18 <FooBar> I've been willing to fix the dutch tram set for 2 years now 20:04:43 <FooBar> Since I haven't done anything on FIRS lately, this seemed like a good moment, so I didn't tell you :P 20:04:50 <Brot6> openttd.grf water-features - Revision 26:71042e14ba95: Change: improved shores (neither sandy nor... (andythenorth) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/water-features/repository/revisions/71042e14ba95 20:05:50 <FooBar> Came up with a nice idea: give the origin of the vehicles and some historic details in the purchase menu 20:05:58 <FooBar> I think that hasn't been done before 20:07:09 <FooBar> Or maybe it has, but I've never seen it before :) 20:09:32 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:09:42 <andythenorth> there should be an 'extended info' window 20:14:30 <FooBar> yes, maybe. But I don't think it clutters the window. The vehicle details are yellow, I made the extra info light grey so that it doesn't distract from the more important details 20:16:06 *** bodis has quit IRC 20:17:20 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - example.png (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/1661/example.png 20:17:28 <FooBar> Example ^ 20:17:33 *** bodis has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:19:02 <andythenorth> very nice :) 20:19:22 <FooBar> thanks! 20:20:50 <Ammler> hmm, canset maybe? 20:21:51 <Ammler> FooBar: nml already easier? 20:22:13 <FooBar> never used that :) 20:22:20 <FooBar> Yes, NML is much easier 20:22:55 <Ammler> did Terkhen tell you about his highligter? 20:22:59 <FooBar> basically once you've made the first vehicle, the rest is copy/paste/search/replace 20:23:09 <FooBar> highlighter? no 20:23:24 <Ammler> or autocomplete or however that is called 20:23:48 <FooBar> highlighter is with colours and such 20:24:02 <Ammler> he made something like that 20:24:30 <Ammler> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/documents/24 20:24:41 <Ammler> what editor do you use? 20:26:22 <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2844: DevZone compile failed (Ammler) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2844#change-7032 20:26:23 <Terkhen> highlighter 20:26:31 <Terkhen> that's the old one, I never uploaded the new one 20:26:36 <Terkhen> the new one is for geany 20:26:50 <Terkhen> but the list of words could be used easily to update the notepad++ one 20:27:37 <FooBar> Ammler: I use notepad++ 20:28:03 <Ammler> Terkhen: you could add a contrib to nml repo and put such stuff there 20:28:06 <Ammler> since you are dev there 20:28:14 <FooBar> Terkhen: if you would like to share that, I can look into updating it for notepad++ and then share it back :) 20:28:36 <Ammler> or make a ticket in nml 20:28:44 <FooBar> Or if you would like to do it yourself, that would be even better ;) 20:29:16 <FooBar> what I see so far is quite nice indeed 20:29:35 <Ammler> Tracker "Patch" 20:30:31 <Terkhen> sure 20:30:36 <Terkhen> I have a script that generates the list 20:30:45 <Terkhen> I can't upload it today, though 20:30:48 <Terkhen> lot of stuff is due tomorrow :) 20:31:26 <Terkhen> right now I'm taking a break but I don't want to spend it looking for the stuff and setting up something with awk/sed to use it :P 20:32:06 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 20:32:19 <Ammler> :-) 20:32:25 <frosch123> moin 20:33:11 <FooBar> Terkhen: no need to hurry! 20:33:24 <FooBar> 'evening frosch123 20:33:35 <Terkhen> I'll make a note, even if I don't upload it properly I will be able to get the list of tokens for you tomorrow :) 20:34:08 <FooBar> ok cool 20:49:53 <Brot6> Dutch Tram Set - Feature #2846 (Assigned): Refit to anything (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2846 21:17:51 <Brot6> openttd.grf water-features - Revision 27:4e869e57e077: Change: further angles completed for tempe... 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