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Log for #openttdcoop.devzone on 20th July 2011:
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07:33:53  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 64:c511bda15715: Fix: Also clean files generated by generat... (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/c511bda15715
07:36:06  <V453000> planetmaker: would it be possible for me to have my train set hosted on the devzone please? :) I would like to let others contribute and I cant really imagine that happening in some better way
07:53:53  <planetmaker> of course it's possible, V453000
07:54:01  <V453000> :) what can I do for it?
07:54:28  <planetmaker> mostly it needs a name ;-)
07:55:00  <V453000> lets call it Unrealistic Train Set, at least that is how I call it so far
07:56:52  <planetmaker> Sounds like a funky name ;-)
07:57:08  <planetmaker> anyway... repository, I guess, too?
07:57:53  <V453000> that is probably the main thing so anyone could access the sprites, no?
07:58:27  <V453000> so I guess the answer is: yes :p
07:59:23  <planetmaker> yes... though it only really starts to make sense when you also have code which brings the sprites into the game. Before that point I personally prefer to keep the sprites of individual trains in a separate issue each
07:59:38  <planetmaker> But everyone can handle that however one likes in their projects
08:00:25  <V453000> good point
08:00:44  <V453000> hmm lets keep the individual issues for now then
08:01:03  <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ur-trains <-- there you go
08:01:33  <V453000> yeyy, a new home, thanks :P
08:01:38  <planetmaker> np
08:02:25  <V453000> oh, logging in might be a good idea to start with xD
08:02:32  <V453000> <- dumb
08:07:02  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ur-trains registered in Redmine with url /home/hg/ur-trains
08:07:03  <Brot6> repository /home/hg/ur-trains created
08:07:50  <V453000> oh :)
08:20:38  <planetmaker> well, I activated the repo generation. Just in case ;-)
08:20:53  <V453000> thanks :p
08:22:33  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2870 (New): General ideas (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2870
08:47:36  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2871 (New): Engine Table (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2871
09:14:51  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2872 (New): Wagon List for standard cargoes (+beer!) (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2872
09:32:35  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2873 (New): Example: Futuristic train (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2873
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09:46:36  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2874 (New): Example: Monorail Train (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2874
09:58:48  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2875 (New): Example: Diesel Train (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2875
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11:02:22  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2876 (New): Maglev Tanker #01 (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2876
11:08:02  <planetmaker> V453000: you can have most have 4 loading stages (including empty and totally full)
11:13:11  <V453000> ooh
11:13:23  <V453000> I thought 5 :) thanks, makes it easier
11:13:42  <V453000> oh I even have 6 :D
11:19:00  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2876: Maglev Tanker #01 (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2876#change-7089
11:21:54  <V453000> :)
11:22:55  <V453000> planetmaker: how much of a potential issue is it if a wagon in the "top" view is 2 tiles wider?
11:22:58  <V453000> *2 pixels
11:23:04  <V453000> damn I still keep changing pixels for tiles :D
11:24:30  <planetmaker> i guess not much. But the whole bounding box should be filled with blue background
11:24:35  <planetmaker> it's a matter of aligning things
11:24:57  <V453000> I have .. oh I forgot one :)
11:25:04  <planetmaker> no idea where and how that glitches, if vehicles are wider than 8px...
11:25:14  <planetmaker> all tracks and roads etc are tailored to that, I gues
11:25:17  <planetmaker> *guess
11:25:53  <V453000> yes ... well lets see later :)
11:44:01  <planetmaker> he has it for at least 3 years ;-)
11:46:49  <V453000> well me too, just joining his ranks officially now :P
12:09:54  <Hirundo> planetmaker: why are 4 stages the max?
12:13:15  <planetmaker> implicitly assumed knowledge and you ask me for actual proof? Drat
12:15:00  <Hirundo> I did not know of such a limit...
12:15:19  <planetmaker> maybe my statement is wrong
12:16:53  <Hirundo> Although arguably having more stages than loading steps (capacity / loading_speed)  isn't useful
12:17:42  <planetmaker> well. cargo could arrive slower
12:17:59  <planetmaker> but it would definitely be tmwftlg
12:23:50  <planetmaker> Hirundo: in the newgrf specs I don't find an explicit limit on the num_loadtypes
12:28:34  <planetmaker> Hirundo: V453000: seems my "knowledge" that there only may be 4 loading stages is wrong. I find neither in the specs nor the code a hint on the limit
12:55:53  <FooBar> why does this NML not work: http://pastebin.com/Fgd1ZSYY
12:56:28  <FooBar> i cannot get my head around it. It should edit the properties of some dutch train set vehicles, but instead it adds the original vehicles of the ids I set
13:00:18  <planetmaker> did you try to disable the default vehicleIDs first?
13:01:04  <planetmaker> (it's just a random idea)
13:01:34  <FooBar> no, I haven't. Will give it a try
13:02:50  <FooBar> is there any nml shortcut to do that?
13:04:10  <planetmaker> yes. disable_...
13:04:42  <planetmaker> disable_item(feature[, first_id[, last_id]]);
13:04:53  <planetmaker> one liner actually
13:04:57  <FooBar> sweet :)
13:05:05  <planetmaker> disable_item(FEAT_TRAINS) disables all of them
13:05:28  <FooBar> oh, I should've looked better, it's right there in the documentation
13:06:16  <FooBar> but thanks anyways ;)
13:09:38  <FooBar> hmmm, doesn't work :(
13:09:58  <FooBar> with disable_item, it doesn't do anything
13:16:56  <Hirundo> is the dutchset loaded also, or just this grf?
13:17:10  <FooBar> yes, dutchset is loaded
13:17:19  <FooBar> but I think I've found something...
13:17:47  <FooBar> engine_override("DC"); results in 3 * 14	 00 08 01 01 00 11 06 99 FB FB 03 05 4C 4D
13:18:04  <FooBar> but my grfi-id is grfid:                  "\FB\FB";
13:18:12  <FooBar> looks to be encoded backwards
13:18:29  <FooBar> I'll try and see what it does if I define the source ID manually
13:19:21  <Hirundo> is it missing an endian swap?
13:21:52  <FooBar> hmmm, both are backwards... hang on some more
13:22:38  <planetmaker> seemingly. But that'd be missing in the NML function then as things like grf_future_status accept it in the same order as OpenTTD displays them
13:22:39  <FooBar> VICTORY
13:22:51  <FooBar> yes, both grf-ids are encoded backwards
13:23:05  <FooBar> so it it seems it has an endian swap where it shouldn't have
13:23:12  <planetmaker> :-) good to know. Still a bug.
13:23:18  <planetmaker> yes
13:23:33  <planetmaker> thanks for testing it actually
13:23:48  <FooBar> you're welcome
13:23:55  <FooBar> I'll see if I can come up with a fix
13:24:05  <FooBar> probably not...
13:24:15  <FooBar> but it's a chance to look into nml source
13:24:43  <Hirundo> I can't check now, but if it's a bug I'll look at it later
13:26:24  <FooBar> seems a but to me, if I put the grfids backwards it works
13:26:45  <FooBar> but = bug
13:30:26  <FooBar> what does reduce_constant() do?
13:32:07  <FooBar> nvm, it's probably parse_string_to_dword() that does the wrong magic
13:36:24  <planetmaker> it converts expressions to its simplest form
13:39:51  <FooBar> well, I cannot find what goes wrong. I'll just make a bugreport
13:40:29  <FooBar> too little source comments for me to understand any of it without starting from the very beginning :P
13:44:14  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Bug #2877 (New): engine_override encodes GRFIDs backwards (foobar) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2877
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14:32:02  <Ammler> hmmhmm
14:34:56  <planetmaker> what's happening there?
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14:38:19  <Ammler> good ge
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16:15:22  <FooBar> I case there are any Dutch Trainset users here, this is what you need: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=55872
16:15:23  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - [OTTD] Dutch Trainset Cargo Extension (at www.tt-forums.net)
16:20:43  <planetmaker> hm... FooBar is here but not in #openttd? :-)
16:21:00  <FooBar> I'm hardly ever on that
16:21:20  <planetmaker> I just wanted to type "^^ FooBar" in that channel ;-)
16:21:29  <FooBar> heh :)
16:21:31  <planetmaker> i.e. check commit log :-P
16:21:52  <FooBar> of which, openttd?
16:22:26  <FooBar> ah, sweet! Good work, planetmaker!
16:24:15  <planetmaker> yeah, was a good and easy-to-implement idea
16:24:26  <FooBar> those are the best :P
16:24:30  <FooBar> anyways, dinner
16:33:03  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #2868: 64 px max length vs. 48 px max length (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2868#change-7090
16:34:34  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #2868: 64 px max length vs. 48 px max length (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2868#change-7090
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17:09:51  <Brot6> nml: update from r1520 to r1521 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/nml/nightlies/r1521
17:19:42  <Brot6> firs: update from r2179 to r2181 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/nightlies/r2181
17:21:49  <Brot6> cets: update from r56 to r64 done (374 warnings) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/cets/nightlies/r64
17:22:57  <Brot6> dutchtramset: update from r80 to r84 done - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/dutchtramset/nightlies/r84
17:23:30  <Brot6> Following repos didn't need a nightlies update: ogfx-trains (r245), narvs (r37), bros (r52), ogfx-industries (r121), sub-landscape (r72), opengfx (r681), ailib-tile (r16), transrapidtrackset (r15), 2cctrainset (r750), ailib-list (r32), opensfx (r97), ttdviewer (r34), worldairlinersset (r672), heqs (r605), openmsx (r97), basecosts (r25), nutracks (r202), nml (r1521), 32bpp-extra (r40), manindu (r7), newgrf_makefile (r305),
17:23:30  <Brot6> ailib-direction (r17), ailib-common (r21), snowlinemod (r49), ai-admiralai (r75), swisstowns (r22), metrotrackset (r56), spanishtowns (r10), frenchtowns (r6), grfpack (r279), ogfx-rv (r107), fish (r655), ogfx-landscape (r70), ttrs (r36), source-test (r2), ogfx-trees (r51), swedishrails (r203), grfcodec (r832), ai-aroai (r39), german-townnames (r34), smts (r19), chips (r143), belarusiantowns (r8), indonesiantowns (r41), ailib-string
17:23:32  <Brot6> (r29), airportsplus (r107), comic-houses (r71)
17:24:48  <Brot6> narvs: compile of r37 still failed (#2789) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/narvs/nightlies/ERROR/r37
17:25:26  <Brot6> ogfx-industries: compile of r121 still failed (#2792) - http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/ERROR/r121
17:31:36  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #2868: 64 px max length vs. 48 px max length (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2868#change-7091
17:39:29  <Brot6> Following repos rebuilds successful without any difference to earlier nightlies builds: ogfx-trains, sub-landscape, manindu (Diffsize: 1), newgrf_makefile, swisstowns, spanishtowns (Diffsize: 1), frenchtowns, ogfx-rv (Diffsize: 4590), ogfx-landscape (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 5460), source-test (6 warnings), swedishrails, german-townnames, belarusiantowns (Diffsize: 30), indonesiantowns (1 warnings) (Diffsize: 1), airportsplus (Diffsize:
17:39:29  <Brot6> 15915)
17:46:28  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2876: Maglev Tanker #01 (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2876#change-7092
17:49:12  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature Request #2878 (New): parameters to strings (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2878
17:53:53  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Support #2879 (New): My priority list (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2879
17:56:28  <planetmaker> hahaha :-)
17:56:45  <planetmaker> Hirundo: that's sweet. Now I know where I can add tasks... :-)
17:56:57  <planetmaker> ... z) world peace
17:57:23  <Hirundo> y) total world domination
17:57:37  <V453000> x) beer
17:57:49  <XeryusTC> beer \o/
17:58:02  <Hirundo> I guess I'll skip a-w
17:58:05  <planetmaker> there, they all come out of their caves then ;-)
17:58:24  <XeryusTC> havent had a beer since last thursday :(
17:58:29  <XeryusTC> come save me V :o
17:58:36  <planetmaker> ah, I knew it all was just red herring the people
17:58:55  <V453000> :D you are screwed XeryusTC
17:59:00  <V453000> nothing will save you
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18:02:41  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #2868: 64 px max length vs. 48 px max length (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2868#change-7095
18:02:51  <XeryusTC> :(
18:04:26  <V453000> but maybe if you had beer asap
18:04:37  <V453000> you might have a chance
18:07:08  <XeryusTC> \o/
18:07:13  <XeryusTC> must run off to the shops then
18:07:52  <V453000> shops?
18:07:59  <V453000> bottle or canned beer does not work
18:08:06  <V453000> or will give you lesser chance of survival
18:08:22  <XeryusTC> well, off to the pub then
18:08:36  <V453000> :P
18:08:42  <V453000> that should do it
18:10:47  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #2868: 64 px max length vs. 48 px max length (planetmaker) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2868#change-7096
18:11:58  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Code Review #2868: 64 px max length vs. 48 px max length (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2868#change-7095
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18:21:08  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2870: General ideas (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2870#change-7097
18:22:57  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2870: General ideas (oberhuemer) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2870#change-7098
18:27:25  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2870: General ideas (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2870#change-7099
19:26:47  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1522:5665b88cb96d: Doc #1555: Document vehicle callbacks, add som... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/5665b88cb96d
20:04:36  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1523:62580c07997e: Change #1555: Update regression test to includ... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/62580c07997e
20:25:10  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2880 (New): Maglev Flatbed #01 (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2880
20:25:33  <V453000> ^ :)
20:35:52  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2881 (New): Gautrain Electrostar have too little Hp and is slow like a snail (romazoon) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2881
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20:42:26  <Brot6> 2cc train set - Bug #2881: Gautrain Electrostar have too little Hp and is slow like a snail (romazoon) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2881#change-7100
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21:30:03  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Support #2879 (New): My priority list (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2879
21:30:03  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Revision 1524:759229f98ce9: Doc: Document the graphics block, including ca... (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/revisions/759229f98ce9
21:30:03  <Brot6> NewGRF Meta Language - Feature #1555 (Closed): Explicitly define callbacks (Hirundo) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1555#change-7101
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22:30:30  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2880: Maglev Flatbed #01 (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2880#change-7102
22:49:54  <Brot6> Unrealistic Trainset - Feature #2880: Maglev Flatbed #01 (V453000) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2880#change-7104
22:51:57  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 65:52c4b0a18b36: add column for number of middle wagons (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/52c4b0a18b36
22:51:58  <Brot6> Central European Train Set - Revision 66:bf4c17244a68: add middle and end wagon for prussian A2 b... (Eddi) @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/revisions/bf4c17244a68

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