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03:36:43 *** gelignite_ has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 03:43:54 *** gelignite has quit IRC 05:50:51 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:51:43 *** George is now known as Guest7000 05:51:45 *** George has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 05:51:54 <Brot6> Revision 697:35005ebad849: Fix: buy menu and depot offsets XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/35005ebad849 05:51:55 <Brot6> Revision 698:c7b2ee7cdd96: Cleanup: remove old template XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/c7b2ee7cdd96 05:51:55 <Brot6> Revision 699:105d3326c868: Added tag alpha-5 for changeset c7b2ee7cdd96 XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/105d3326c868 05:57:06 *** Guest7000 has quit IRC 06:45:08 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 07:16:14 *** Alberth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 07:21:01 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:06:13 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 08:12:38 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:13:23 * planetmaker tries to create a wine-python3.4 08:17:40 <Alberth> hopefully snakes like alcoholic drinks :) 08:19:38 <planetmaker> :P 08:22:09 <planetmaker> wine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\planetmaker\Downloads\python-3.4.0.msi. 08:22:09 <planetmaker> :( 08:23:43 <planetmaker> ah... 08:24:11 <planetmaker> msiexec is the trick. Enjoy the live commentary :P 08:24:23 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #838-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 31 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/838/ 08:32:10 * Alberth is used to teddybear programming, andy does it all the time :) 08:34:00 <planetmaker> teddybear programming? 08:34:17 *** oskari89 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 08:37:14 <Alberth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging 08:37:15 <Webster> Title: Rubber duck debugging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 08:37:53 <planetmaker> haha :) NIce naming 08:38:00 <planetmaker> But definiely useful 08:38:51 <Alberth> andy has a better url :) 08:39:04 <andythenorth> talk to the bear 08:39:28 <andythenorth> http://compaspascal.blogspot.co.uk/2007/12/teddy-bear-principle-in-programming.html 08:39:29 <Webster> Title: Compas Pascal: The teddy bear principle in programming (at compaspascal.blogspot.co.uk) 08:40:05 <planetmaker> :) 08:40:23 <andythenorth> oh this one is the one I saw before http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/01/rubberducking_a.html 08:40:25 <Webster> Title: Creating Passionate Users: Rubberducking and Creativity (at headrush.typepad.com) 08:40:38 <andythenorth> “the act of explaining something gets you thinking in ways you might never have reached if you hadn't tried to talk through it 08:40:50 <andythenorth> also 08:40:51 <andythenorth> “My sheep (R.I.P.) Albert used to be one hell of a coder, and was especially good at brainstorming.” 08:40:54 <andythenorth> he :D 08:41:10 <planetmaker> :D 08:41:41 <Rubidium> Alberth: given that wiki page, we should use frog debugging ;) 08:42:00 <planetmaker> :D 08:46:46 * Alberth misses the connection 08:46:58 <planetmaker> frosch = frog ;) 08:47:05 <planetmaker> you can have kermit to talk to 08:47:18 <Alberth> oh! :D 08:58:03 <planetmaker> right... so I used easy_install to install pillow and ply on wine. That seems to have succeeded https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3245/ but cxfreeze still complains about missing modules when building nmlc.exe: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3246/ (lines 342-356) 09:00:55 <planetmaker> ah... I should do all things which CF does... let's see 09:02:36 <planetmaker> hm... not sufficient to copy python34.dll there 09:05:00 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #839-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 19 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/839/ 09:06:28 <planetmaker> hm... I need to try with python3.3 09:06:32 <planetmaker> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22633480/cant-find-module-cx-freeze-init 09:06:33 <Webster> Title: python - cant find module cx_Freeze__init__ - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com) 09:18:05 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 09:22:40 <planetmaker> hmpf... 09:22:47 <planetmaker> and there setuptools does not install 09:24:17 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 09:30:24 <planetmaker> hmpf... https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3247/ 09:56:25 <Rubidium> so python calls a function that wine hasn't implemented (yet) 09:57:29 <Rubidium> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34851 09:57:31 <Webster> Title: WineHQ Bugzilla Bug 34851 64-bit Autodesk Fusion 360 installer needs kernel32 GetFinalPathNameByHandleA/W (at bugs.winehq.org) 09:58:29 <planetmaker> Hm, thanks. Funnily it installs with python34 :) 09:58:41 <planetmaker> But that fails to work with cxfreeze :( 09:58:48 <Rubidium> maybe set the wine winversion to windows xp 10:00:43 <planetmaker> "Wine default Windows version is Windows XP" 10:00:54 <planetmaker> and I didn't change anything there 10:02:16 <planetmaker> but how do I check / change? Do you know? 10:03:57 <planetmaker> winecfg maybe... 10:04:45 <planetmaker> yup. And set to windows 7 10:05:58 <planetmaker> thank you, Rubidium ! 10:43:37 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #97-push: STILL FAILING in 21 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/97/ 10:45:03 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #98-push: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/98/ 10:53:53 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #99-push: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/99/ 11:02:50 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 11:22:01 <Brot6> Revision 1283:7fc3411bd1c8: fix palette XRvP93X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlinersset/repository/revisions/7fc3411bd1c8 11:22:01 <Brot6> Revision 1284:1403a3e416a8: fix palette XRvP93X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlinersset/repository/revisions/1403a3e416a8 11:22:01 <Brot6> Revision 1285:fb6faf057922: fix palette XRvP93X @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlinersset/repository/revisions/fb6faf057922 11:23:41 <planetmaker> Alberth, there surely is a nicer construct to try importing a library but not care futher if it fails? https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3251/ 11:24:27 <Alberth> except ImportError: 11:24:52 <Alberth> try/except is the right approach, we also do that with PIL 11:24:52 <planetmaker> but I can't use an empty except, can I? 11:25:01 *** frosch123 has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:25:04 <Taede> ImportError 11:25:06 <Alberth> except ImportError: pass 11:25:11 <planetmaker> ah. thanks 11:26:05 <Alberth> often, they create the failed imported name, like setup, Executable = None, None 11:26:23 <Alberth> so it becomes testable whether you have them imported 11:26:34 <planetmaker> yes, that makes sense. 11:26:51 <planetmaker> I'm still somewhat stabbing at murky waters on how to get an actually working windows executable 11:27:04 <planetmaker> and sure in normal operation cxfreeze is not needed, so I just want to ignore that 11:27:05 <Alberth> :( 11:28:48 <Alberth> quak 11:29:15 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3252/ 11:29:58 <planetmaker> but I fixed a *very* important bug on the way: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3253/ :P 11:30:03 *** yorick has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:31:38 <Alberth> please don't use "except:" ever 11:31:56 <planetmaker> oh? IOError: instead? 11:32:02 <Alberth> it hides literally all errors, including syntax errors, ^C interrupts etc 11:32:06 <planetmaker> or whatever is a file not found error 11:32:07 <frosch123> hola 11:32:10 *** Supercheese has quit IRC 11:32:17 <planetmaker> hi 11:32:44 *** Supercheese has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 11:34:04 <Alberth> planetmaker: OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory 11:34:22 <Alberth> simplest way is to just try it on a known failing example :p 11:40:00 <planetmaker> :) right 11:40:52 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3254/ 11:41:42 <planetmaker> though we likely have some warning provisions. hm 11:42:24 <planetmaker> but then, we use print in that file already 11:42:49 <planetmaker> can we convert all indentation to tabs? :D 11:46:28 <frosch123> unless tabs are already the present coding style, i would always recommend to use spaces 11:46:41 <planetmaker> nml uses spaces 11:46:47 <frosch123> easier to check in commit hooks, easier to explain, and no restrictions on aligning 11:47:23 <frosch123> then just change the push hook to only accept tabs in files called "Makefile*" 11:47:25 <planetmaker> but I always have to correct that for edits I make there 11:47:43 <planetmaker> and openttd uses tabs for indentation. Thus I need to switch there always 11:48:07 <frosch123> sounds like your problem then :p 11:48:21 <frosch123> don't you have different settings for different projects resp. languages? 11:48:22 <planetmaker> and for indentation... I don't see how tab or spaces makes a real difference 11:48:39 <planetmaker> likely kate has such settings somewhere 11:48:41 <frosch123> tabs are only useful for indentation, not for alignment 11:48:51 <planetmaker> yes, I was talking about indentation 11:48:55 <planetmaker> not alignment 11:48:56 <frosch123> you run into issues when aligning stuff on multiple lines 11:49:16 <frosch123> ottd just drops the alignment and says second line of a if gets one tab more, but that is actually terrible 11:49:27 <planetmaker> eh? 11:49:34 <frosch123> other projects try to make complex rules, like indenting with tabs followed by some space alignment 11:49:41 <frosch123> but usually people don't get that 11:49:56 <frosch123> so, the easiest method by far is to always use spaces 11:50:20 <frosch123> planetmaker: usually you align similar stuff on multiple lines, which is impossible in totd 11:50:53 <frosch123> in fact it was practice in ottd in the past to mix tabs and spaces for alignment, but people didn't get it, so it was unified to a simpler but pointless way :p 11:51:23 <frosch123> also aligning comments is impossible in ottd, if the lines have diffent indentation levels 11:52:23 <frosch123> tabs are just inferior to spaces :) 11:52:31 <Alberth> just return '' ? 11:53:46 <Alberth> planetmaker: vim user? if so, you can set tab/space settings per file type 11:54:01 <planetmaker> <-- kate user 11:54:02 <Alberth> other sane editors can also do that :) 11:54:27 <Alberth> sadly, there are a lot of non-sane editors :( 11:54:38 <frosch123> like vim :p 11:54:49 <Alberth> :D 11:55:20 <planetmaker> Alberth, why '' instead of version (which is set to '' previously)? 11:55:58 <Alberth> the error claims not be able to get a version, yet you return one, one line later :) 11:56:20 <planetmaker> It's set to '' initially for the exact reason to define the default return value once 11:56:33 <planetmaker> The last line of that function also returns version - while it still is '' 11:56:34 <Alberth> fair enough :) 11:58:09 <Alberth> patch seems fine 11:58:48 <planetmaker> I must pay attention to not push it unmodified to current trunk. It's py3 :P 11:59:00 <planetmaker> I work on your py3 version of nml ;) 11:59:31 <planetmaker> however, still nice weather here, so I'll be back in 2 hours or so 12:12:28 <Alberth> hg clone is your friend :) 12:53:23 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #100-push: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/100/ 13:24:00 <Brot6> Revision 700:cf45b1749b8c: Change: adjust vehicle name to Mail Car (Metro) XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/cf45b1749b8c 13:24:00 <Brot6> Revision 701:7c543ea81bf4: Feature: Chaplin tank randomised reversed sprites XandythenorthX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/iron-horse/repository/revisions/7c543ea81bf4 13:56:33 <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed! 13:56:33 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #101-push: FIXED in 1 min 5 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/101/ 13:59:01 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #102-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 7 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/102/ 14:01:01 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #103-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 8 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/103/ 14:04:50 <Brot6> Membership #6872 (New): Applying for project: French Train Set XJyratosX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6872 14:32:21 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 14:35:54 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #104-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 6 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/104/ 14:35:55 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 15:27:53 <planetmaker> so... I've seen a sea hawk 15:34:58 <frosch123> high tide on your side? 15:35:10 <frosch123> flood? 15:36:39 <planetmaker> seems they also live inlands :) 15:41:28 <Brot6> Membership #6872 (Assigned): Applying for project: French Train Set XJyratosX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6872 15:41:28 <Brot6> Membership #6872 (Assigned): Applying for project: French Train Set XplanetmakerX @ http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/6872#change-18609 15:46:32 <Rubidium> or it's just the German sea hawks confusing sea and See 15:48:08 <planetmaker> hehe, that could be :) 15:48:30 <planetmaker> even in German you can call it See. Both. Die See vs. der See 15:49:48 <frosch123> words without plural/singular form are always messy 15:49:50 <planetmaker> actually Northern German dialect has it that See and Meer have reversed meanings than in standard German. Thus there are many (larger) lakes which actually are called like whatever-Meer 15:50:19 <planetmaker> der See. die Seen. die See 15:50:21 *** yorick has quit IRC 15:50:35 <planetmaker> most famous example probably is the Steinhuder Meer 15:50:44 <planetmaker> which is a bigger lake near Hanovre 15:51:41 <planetmaker> so northern German dialect probably is like Dutch there :) 15:51:56 <Rubidium> yup 15:52:05 <planetmaker> which totally makes sense :) 15:53:13 <Rubidium> likewise the English sea coming from see, and the English lake probably coming from lac 15:53:39 <planetmaker> yup 16:19:40 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 16:21:51 <DevZone> Project Japanese Buildings build #176-nightlies: SUCCESS in 16 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/jpbuild/176/ 16:22:04 *** oskari89 has quit IRC 16:32:32 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 16:33:55 <DevZone> Project Finnish Rail Infrastructure - Rails build #290-nightlies: SUCCESS in 8 min 20 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/frissrails/290/ 16:41:12 <DevZone> Project road-hog build #153-nightlies: SUCCESS in 37 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/road-hog/153/ 16:47:59 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #840-nightlies: SUCCESS in 1 min 24 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/840/ 16:49:19 <DevZone> Project Dutch Trainset build #137-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 43 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/dutchtrains/137/ 16:49:32 <DevZone> Project Iron Horse build #841-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 33 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/iron-horse/841/ 16:50:14 <DevZone> Project 2ccts build #87-push: SUCCESS in 55 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/2ccts/87/ 17:35:57 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #105-push: SUCCESS in 1 min 9 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/105/ 17:38:45 *** andythenorth has joined #openttdcoop.devzone 17:39:39 *** andythenorth has quit IRC 18:08:28 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #106-push: FAILURE in 15 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/106/ 18:09:48 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #107-push: STILL FAILING in 15 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/107/ 18:13:56 <DevZone> Project World Airliner Set build #108-push: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/worldairlinersset/108/ 18:15:16 *** Alberth has left #openttdcoop.devzone 18:17:47 <DevZone> Yippee, build fixed! 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