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02:06:00  <deghosty> !date
02:06:01  <ProZone> deghosty:  1 Feb 2452
02:06:16  <deghosty> i'll paly it :o
02:06:21  <deghosty> but i have school
02:06:32  <deghosty> maybe druing christmas
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16:44:56  <Thraxian|Work> [16:17:53] Ammler: and there is no member, who want to play here, so quite useless to upload a new game, imo.
16:45:12  <Thraxian|Work> I'd love to play here, but I have no clue what's going on in the current game, and nobody else is ever playing either....
16:45:12  <Ammler> ?
16:45:58  <Ammler> Thraxian|Work: if you or someone else has a scenario he wants to play here, just ping....
16:46:28  <Ammler> I just told Chris_Booth, that it is useless if he requests a restart.
16:46:40  <Ammler> or an other non-member.
16:46:50  <Thraxian|Work> ?
16:47:06  <Ammler> you are member, you can do what you want :-)
16:47:09  <Thraxian|Work> he asked if he could upload a new game here.  I just copied your response.
16:47:24  <Thraxian|Work> and now you're telling me that if anyone has a scenario we want to play....
16:47:28  <Thraxian|Work> I'm confuzzled
16:47:40  <Ammler> another member
16:48:18  <Ammler> Chris_Booth: needs a member, who would like to play with him...
16:48:29  <Thraxian|Work> ahh....
16:48:34  <Ammler> it is useless, if he asks for restart without a member.
16:48:38  <Thraxian|Work> now I'm unconfuzzled
16:48:56  <Ammler> well, it is also useless, if you ask for a restart without someone else. ;-)
16:49:15  <Thraxian|Work> so booth and I just need to be here at the same time....
16:49:16  <Ammler> then we just restart but the server would idle...
16:49:33  <Mark> get a proper map and i'd play
16:49:38  <Mark> not some weird ECS game
16:49:40  <Ammler> well, if you 2 agree on a scenario, no problem for me, but I would like to finish the current map.
16:49:43  <Mark> goodevening, btw
16:50:05  <Mark> get an RV only FIRS game :P
16:50:05  <Thraxian|Work> I'll help with the current map, or a new map.  I just need some idea of what is going on in the current one....
16:50:11  <Ammler> :-)
16:50:57  <Ammler> Mark: such a game, you could as good play on public, imo.
16:51:17  <Ammler> not much, you can fail with RV only games
16:52:05  <Ammler> the problem here is, that we like to start new games, but don't have the mood to finish it.
16:52:41  <Ammler> !rcon ls
16:52:41  <ProZone> Ammler: 0) .. (Parent directory)
16:52:41  <ProZone> Ammler: 1) archive/ (Directory)
16:52:41  <ProZone> Ammler: 2) autosave/ (Directory)
16:52:41  <ProZone> Ammler: 3) uploads/ (Directory)
16:52:41  <ProZone> Ammler: 4) game.sav
16:52:43  <ProZone> Ammler: you have 14 more messages
16:52:48  <Ammler> !more
16:52:48  <ProZone> Ammler: 5) 1900.sav
16:52:48  <ProZone> Ammler: you have 13 more messages
16:52:54  <Ammler> oh, old version...
16:52:59  <Ammler> !more 5
16:52:59  <ProZone> Ammler: 6) pz7.sav
16:52:59  <ProZone> Ammler: 7) pz07.sav
16:52:59  <ProZone> Ammler: 8) pz08_backup.sav
16:52:59  <ProZone> Ammler: 9) pz08_start.sav
16:52:59  <ProZone> Ammler: 10) coopete5.sav
16:53:01  <ProZone> Ammler: you have 8 more messages
16:53:03  <Ammler> !more 5
16:53:03  <ProZone> Ammler: 11) coopetition4.sav
16:53:03  <ProZone> Ammler: 12) pz6.sav
16:53:05  <ProZone> Ammler: 13) pzECSwithProgramsPlan.sav
16:53:05  <ProZone> Ammler: 14) ecsStart.sav
16:53:07  <ProZone> Ammler: 15) pzg6_final.sav
16:53:07  <ProZone> Ammler: you have 3 more messages
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16:53:35  <Ammler> pz6, pz7, pz8, all not in the archive
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16:54:00  <Ammler> afaik, pz4 either
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16:57:55  <Thraxian|Work> in the current game, do I just need to pick a quadrant and start connecting things?
16:58:02  <Thraxian|Work> or is there some 'grander plan' that I'm not getting?
16:58:12  <Ammler> there is a plan
16:58:21  <Ammler> every quadrant is one industry
16:58:27  <Thraxian|Work> yeah, I see that
16:59:09  <Ammler> do you mind, if I update to ps version?
16:59:18  <Thraxian|Work> go ahead
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16:59:28  <Ammler> just I could join too then :-)
16:59:48  <Thraxian|Work> for cargo like fish, how do we equally distribute it between the animal farm and tinning factory?
16:59:48  <ProZone> Server closed down by admin
16:59:48  <ProZone> Saving game...
16:59:50  <ProZone> Game saved
16:59:53  <ProZone> Server has exited
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17:00:00  <Thraxian|Work> do all fish go to a "fish warehouse" before being carted off to the correct secondary?
17:00:31  <Thraxian|Work> stuff like iron ore is easy, because it only goes one place (steel mill)
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17:00:40  <Thraxian|Work> but a lot of the cargo goes to 2 or more secondaries
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17:01:28  <Thraxian|Work> (coal, sand, oil, limestone, cereal, oilseed, fruit)
17:01:41  <Thraxian|Work> all of those are "primaries", but need to go to two different secondaries....
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17:02:41  <Thraxian|Work> assuming you're only running 1 secondary industry, the warehouse for that secondary's output is at the pickup station.  but there are multiple primaries to run.
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17:02:51  <Ammler> !info
17:02:51  <ProZone> Ammler: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Cufingburg Transport'  Year Founded: 1940  Money: 72776724006  Loan: 0  Value: 72827237364  (T:410, R:1, P:1, S:4) unprotected
17:03:33  <Ammler> !password
17:03:33  <ProZone> Ammler: tensed
17:03:51  <Ammler> !rcon status
17:03:52  <ProZone> Ammler: Client #3  name: 'AmmIer'  status: 'loading map'  frame-lag:   0  company: 1  IP:  unique-id: '57e18fb85cc1e1167c8ad239feae9870'
17:03:52  <ProZone> Ammler: Client #5  name: 'Thraxian|Work'  status: 'map done'  frame-lag: 268  company: 1  IP:  unique-id: '51760a49d6299f2698a2915f161f3c49'
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17:04:30  <ProZone> <AmmIer> last thing I did was E1
17:05:15  <Thraxian|Work> I don't mind hooking up some of the simpler primaries (wood, iron ore) since I know where they go
17:06:07  <Thraxian|Work> but for something like coal, should I send to a coal depot and have trains there run it to the power plant, glass works, steel mill, and brick works?
17:06:36  <Ammler> no
17:06:45  <Ammler> just send them to one of them
17:06:46  <Thraxian|Work> and make that coal depot have waypoints to ensure trains going into the station are staggered (a-b-c-d-a-b-c-d instead of a-a-a-a-b-a-a-c-d-a-a-d-d-d-d)
17:06:58  <Ammler> far away or one which needs
17:07:16  <Thraxian|Work> seems like it'd be easier to regulate flow to the secondaries by using a depot, that's all I'm saying
17:07:49  <Ammler> well, does it need regulating?
17:07:54  <Ammler> stockpiling is off
17:08:22  <Thraxian|Work> without regulating, I could send the coal I connect to the power station
17:08:27  <Thraxian|Work> the next person might send their coal to the power station
17:08:41  <Thraxian|Work> and the next, and so on - no regulation means that the other secondaries get deprived
17:08:56  <ProZone> <AmmIer> we are pros
17:09:04  <ProZone> <AmmIer> we don't send it all to the same ;-)
17:09:42  <Thraxian|Work> well, shall we "cooperatively" work on a quad?
17:10:05  <ProZone> <AmmIer> yeah, but just one :-)
17:10:10  <Thraxian|Work> kk - pick one
17:10:29  <Thraxian|Work> or you want to play the grid?
17:10:33  <ProZone> <AmmIer> don't you have a industry you miss most?
17:10:36  <Thraxian|Work> you pick letter, I pick number, and we do that one.
17:10:44  <ProZone> <AmmIer> C
17:10:47  <Thraxian|Work> 2
17:10:52  <Thraxian|Work> let's see what's in C2
17:11:05  <Thraxian|Work> paper mill
17:11:10  <Thraxian|Work> and lots of primaries :)
17:11:11  <ProZone> <AmmIer> c2 seems done
17:11:34  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> lots of fish we can do
17:11:36  <ProZone> <AmmIer> or do you want to make the primaries?
17:11:44  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I thought that's what we were going to do
17:11:50  <ProZone> <AmmIer> ah :-)
17:11:52  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and if the secondary's not ready, we'll make it
17:11:55  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> where it belongs
17:12:19  <ProZone> <AmmIer> ok SLH?
17:12:57  <ProZone> <AmmIer> at !slh
17:13:17  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I agree with that
17:13:23  <ProZone> <AmmIer> hmm
17:13:26  <ProZone> <AmmIer> attention
17:13:28  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> just finished setting up my map to show only primaries
17:13:38  <ProZone> <AmmIer> there might be a drop station entry
17:13:50  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> eh
17:14:16  <ProZone> <AmmIer> move it
17:14:36  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> C2 has iron ore, coal, fruit, oil, and lime
17:14:50  <ProZone> <AmmIer> no fish?
17:15:02  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I saw no fish
17:15:12  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> all oil in the lake
17:15:14  <ProZone> <AmmIer> quite a lot oil
17:15:23  <Ammler> !rcon magic_bulldozer
17:15:23  <ProZone> Ammler: Magic bulldozer is disabled.
17:15:30  <Ammler> shall we bulldozer some rigs?
17:15:46  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> e can, or we can just hook them all up
17:15:52  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and we just lost one of our fruits
17:15:58  <Ammler> :-D
17:16:02  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> now just 1 fruit
17:16:11  <Ammler> connect it fast :-)
17:16:14  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> actually - it's a farm, not fruit
17:16:14  <Ammler> I build the slh
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17:17:48  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> all C2 primaries signed
17:22:41  <Mark> !password
17:22:41  <ProZone> Mark: basted
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17:23:11  <ProZone> <Mark> hah
17:23:17  <ProZone> <Mark> the rabbit is still here
17:24:37  <ProZone> <Mark> imho this game is way too big for a .pro game
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17:26:01  <ProZone> <AmmIer> as said, if you have something else
17:26:11  <ProZone> <AmmIer> no issue to drop that
17:26:34  <Mark> well, i could make a map but i wouldnt build anything myself
17:26:41  <Mark> cant be bothered to, lately
17:26:45  <ProZone> <AmmIer> like now
17:30:41  <ProZone> <AmmIer> SLH ok?
17:37:49  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> looking at SLH now
17:37:55  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> how you like the SL so far?
17:38:21  <ProZone> <AmmIer> nice and much :-)
17:38:23  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> does the single ML tunnel there suffice?
17:38:38  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> maybe overkill - but keeping room for queues :)
17:38:50  <ProZone> <AmmIer> I think, pro should be able to double it later, if needed :-)
17:39:59  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> lime quarry in ML south of C2 - service, or let it die?
17:40:31  <ProZone> <AmmIer> I don't care about the production level usually.
17:40:49  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I mean, it's sitting in the ML (the ML bent to go around it)
17:40:59  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> do we want it to die and straighten ML, or go ahead and service it?
17:41:09  <ProZone> <AmmIer> nah
17:41:35  <ProZone> <AmmIer> oh, I like to service specially such kind of industries.
17:45:34  <ProZone> <AmmIer> where goes iron ore?
17:52:26  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> iron goes to steel mill only
17:52:46  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> in A2
17:52:48  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> station already exists
17:55:09  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> coal goes to power/glass/steel
17:55:31  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> glass in E5, steel in A2, power not built
17:55:54  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I'm sending to glass
17:57:53  <Mark> for coal you could do pickup - drop at power plant - pickup - drop at glass thingy - pickup - drop at steel mill
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18:01:43  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> we have no cement works set up yet for limestone
18:07:48  <ProZone> <AmmIer> sorry, I was a bit on the other channel
18:09:06  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> no worries
18:09:12  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> got some serious trains moving in C2 now
18:09:18  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> this map is WAY too big for this :)
18:09:28  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> at this rate, I won't be able to play tomorrow
18:14:14  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I have 84 trains on my half of the C2 SL
18:14:20  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and that's about half of what I need
18:15:16  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> assuming I need 150 trains for my half, multiply by 50 (two halves to each SL) and we'll need about 8k trains for primaries alone.
18:15:35  <ProZone> <AmmIer> :-)
18:15:46  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> frankly, I'm not sure that my internet connection, not to mention the current ML layout, is ready for that
18:16:09  <ProZone> <AmmIer> why would you want to full everything?
18:16:29  <ProZone> <AmmIer> i*
18:16:31  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> if I connect an industry, I have a tendency to make sure that the industry is serviced properly
18:16:41  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and I try to keep the rating high
18:17:15  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> that's just the way I do things :)
18:17:23  <ProZone> <AmmIer> :-)
18:17:26  <^Spike^> !password
18:17:27  <ProZone> ^Spike^: sieves
18:17:49  <ProZone> <AmmIer> so what's your conclusion?
18:18:20  <Thraxian|Work> <Thraxian|Work> this map is WAY too big for this :)
18:18:24  <ProZone> <AmmIer> and you have btw. no vehicle service yet.
18:18:30  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I know....
18:18:33  <ProZone> <AmmIer> :-D
18:18:39  <^Spike^> !password
18:18:39  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> that's a TL 1 network, right?
18:18:39  <ProZone> ^Spike^: fuzzes
18:18:45  <ProZone> <AmmIer> yes
18:18:47  <ProZone> <AmmIer> there is one in the norht
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18:19:27  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> how do we get vehicles dropped in C2?
18:19:42  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> do we make a vehicle transfer station early on the SL?
18:20:23  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and fertilizer too
18:20:33  <ProZone> <AmmIer> I guess.
18:20:35  <ProZone> <AmmIer> we archive
18:20:49  <ProZone> <AmmIer> Spike: what do you think?
18:20:55  <ProZone> <Spike> what who where
18:20:55  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> but this building was FUN!
18:21:05  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> that's the kinda thing I like doing - owning a region :)
18:21:31  <ProZone> <AmmIer> did you participate in the roleplay mz game?
18:21:43  <ProZone> <Spike> eh...
18:21:53  <ProZone> <Spike> take that as a no plz :
18:21:55  <ProZone> <Spike> :)
18:22:06  <ProZone> <AmmIer> I asked Thrax :-P
18:22:09  <^Spike^> ah :)
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18:29:01  <Chris_Booth> evening all
18:29:40  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> sorry - was building :)
18:29:50  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> no, I don't remember the roleplay game
18:29:53  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and hiya Booth
18:30:07  <Chris_Booth> an RPG would be fun on here
18:30:32  <ProZone> <AmmIer> Thraxian|Work: in the mz archive
18:33:17  <Chris_Booth> !password
18:33:17  <ProZone> Chris_Booth: stuffy
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18:34:44  <Thraxian|Work> RPG was january 2007.  I joined coop in september
18:34:57  <Thraxian|Work> so I missed that game :(
18:37:01  <Thraxian|Work> checking it out now
18:40:51  <Thraxian|Work> wow, that's an olde game
18:41:18  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> it is an old game
18:41:36  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i think that pro zone just doesnt work
18:47:55  <ProZone> <AmmIer> building stations over tracks is very cool
18:48:01  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> realy
18:48:07  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i thought it was annoying
18:48:17  <ProZone> <AmmIer> because?
18:48:29  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> when you remove  stations
18:48:32  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> it leaves lines
18:48:39  <ProZone> <AmmIer> hmm
18:49:39  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> like @ Taningway Woods
18:53:51  <ProZone> <AmmIer> hmm, there are way too less coal at the steel mill
18:54:02  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> there's a jam
18:54:14  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> coal can't get in because steel trains block
18:54:24  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> = poor design
18:54:28  <ProZone> <AmmIer> :-D
18:54:34  <ProZone> <AmmIer> my design :-P
18:54:45  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> since coal can't get in, steel isn't made, and everything grinds to a halt
18:54:51  <ProZone> <AmmIer> but I fear, someone "stole some coal
18:54:54  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> basically - drop  trains should get a passing lane
18:55:16  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> either with waypoint stations, or something....
18:55:33  <ProZone> <AmmIer> that is all poor ps design.
18:55:46  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> here go the floodgates!
18:56:32  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> the glass works is steeling the coal
18:56:32  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> what's poor ps design?
18:56:46  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> 54,300 tonnes
18:56:48  <ProZone> <AmmIer> bypasses or sep drop/pickup
18:57:08  <ProZone> <AmmIer> safe things :-)
18:57:12  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> then use waypoints to ensure the primaries can get through
18:57:20  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> or depots if you have that many pickup trains queued
18:57:56  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> here comes the coal
18:59:27  <ProZone> <AmmIer> well, we could also just force the trains to the other entry
18:59:37  <ProZone> <AmmIer> if this one is jamed
19:01:25  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> something like that might help
19:02:21  <ProZone> <AmmIer> so you force steel trains to use west
19:02:41  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> put another on the other side
19:02:52  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> so they can use either....
19:03:02  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> is it needed as the jam was caused by glass works steeling the coal?
19:03:22  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> I'd say it's still needed
19:03:58  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> because who's to say it won't happen again
19:04:04  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and yes, Ammler.  i know.  we're pros :)
19:04:10  <ProZone> <AmmIer> :-P
19:04:16  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i am no pro
19:04:30  <ProZone> <AmmIer> chris is pro, we are more :-P
19:04:41  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i am just a tag along
19:04:51  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> mmmm...peanut buttery goodness .....
19:05:09  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> ooh peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
19:05:48  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> what does that have to do with anything ?
19:06:07  <ProZone> <AmmIer> that?
19:06:10  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> you do know what a tagalong is, right?
19:06:27  <ProZone> <AmmIer> me? no.
19:06:33  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> someone who just follows everyone else
19:06:47  <Thraxian|Work>
19:06:48  <Webster> Title: tagalong cookie - Google Images (at
19:07:40  <Chris_Booth> ooh cookies
19:09:17  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> backup at SLH A2.1
19:09:55  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> and interesting things at Brennington Heights with that train depot
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19:23:25  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> we now have an abudance of steel
19:24:41  <ProZone> <Thraxian|Work> oh jolly good
19:26:58  <ProZone> <AmmIer> pbs with depot doesn't work
19:27:04  <ProZone> <AmmIer> too high penalty
19:27:14  <ProZone> <AmmIer> waiting is "cheaper"
19:28:02  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> the depot isnt needed
19:28:17  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i just built it to remove excess trains
19:31:27  <ProZone> <AmmIer> why did you disconnect the  town drop?
19:31:53  <ProZone> <AmmIer> archive it?
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19:39:49  <ProZone> <AmmIer> hmm
19:39:55  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> what?
19:40:01  <ProZone> <AmmIer> does someone use opengfx here?
19:40:07  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> not me
19:40:15  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> do you?
19:40:33  <ProZone> <AmmIer> of course, I might found a glitch
19:40:47  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> realy
19:40:49  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> what?
19:41:09  <ProZone> <AmmIer> at the Tinning Fac
19:41:19  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i am there
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19:42:12  <Ammler> !unpause
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19:42:14  <Chris_Booth> !password
19:42:14  <ProZone> Chris_Booth: patchy
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19:43:12  <ProZone> <AmmIer> if the goods trains drive vertical
19:43:24  <ProZone> <AmmIer> the waggons are hidden
19:43:59  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i dont like opengfx PBS
19:44:13  <ProZone> <AmmIer> yeah, signals aren't optimal
19:44:17  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> and they are not eurostart the are thlays
19:44:48  <ProZone> <AmmIer> trains are much better in general
19:45:22  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> apart from the maglevs and monorails
19:45:24  <ProZone> <AmmIer> switching to originals isn't possible anymore.
19:45:27  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> which arent drawn yet
19:45:41  <ProZone> <AmmIer> well, you shouldn't use a one year old version :-P
19:46:23  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i use the version that came with openttd when i downloaded it 10 mins ago
19:46:45  <ProZone> <AmmIer> and you don't have maglev trains?
19:46:56  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> nope
19:47:02  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> they are black squares
19:47:25  <ProZone> <AmmIer> what version is that?
19:47:47  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i dont know
19:47:47  <ProZone> <AmmIer> you see that in the game options
19:48:01  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> just says OpenGFX
19:48:11  <ProZone> <AmmIer> he
19:48:11  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> by andythenorth ETC ETC
19:48:25  <ProZone> <AmmIer> you should remove that version
19:48:40  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> what version should i use?
19:48:55  <ProZone> <AmmIer> nightly or the one from banans
19:49:05  <ProZone> <AmmIer> maglev is in since around half a year
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19:50:28  <Chris_Booth> wow i should bananas more often
19:50:33  <Chris_Booth> 23meg of stuff
19:50:57  <Ammler> !content
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19:53:14  <Chris_Booth> !password
19:53:14  <ProZone> Chris_Booth: sunned
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19:54:16  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> ooh maglev
19:55:13  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i cant stand these signals
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20:05:19  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> what is openSFX?
20:06:05  <Thraxian|Work> the sound to go with the graphics
20:06:25  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> just classic songs?
20:06:43  <Thraxian|Work> unsure - I think they just redid the soundeffects, maybe added some new background music...
20:07:47  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i play with no sound
20:07:57  <Thraxian|Work>
20:08:08  <Thraxian|Work> apparently, Ammler and pm were involved in this one
20:09:25  <Thraxian|Work> it's part of the effort to remove the requirements for the original GRF files.  sounds are part of that.
20:09:48  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> yeah
20:10:06  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> the game should become indipendant from TTD
20:10:16  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> i have an original disc
20:10:26  <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but if i ever lost it i could never replace it
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20:28:55  <Ammler> Thraxian|Work: currently it is mostly a single project by Rubi :-)
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20:29:03  <Ammler> he did around 99% of the work.
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20:29:58  <Ammler> [22:10] <ProZone> <Chris Booth> but if i ever lost it i could never replace it <-- I had one once too.
20:30:16  <Ammler> that is why I felt "semi" legal to download the originals.
20:30:19  <planetmaker> but anyone is certainly welcome to add sounds to it. As anyone is welcome to supply sprites for OpenGFX
20:30:26  <planetmaker> and with these words: good night :-)
20:30:40  <Ammler> every day, nice last words from pm.
20:30:52  <Ammler> goood night.
20:31:39  <Ammler> but since opengfx alpha5, I play openttd fully legal :-)
20:32:31  <Ammler> never used sound anyway.
20:52:55  <Chris_Booth> i was thinking with openGFX why include RV's planes trains or boat?
20:53:06  <Chris_Booth> when there are loads of usable sets for these
20:53:33  <Chris_Booth> of which lots are better drawn the openGFX and original GRFs
20:53:41  <Chris_Booth> such as 2cc
20:54:05  <Ammler> you was
20:54:22  <Ammler> as openGFX now uses such high quality sprites.
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20:54:42  <Ammler> that is why it is much better then original ttd
20:57:03  <Chris_Booth> we should use openGFX only one game on PS
21:01:39  <Ammler> you can't force people to use opengfx
21:01:49  <Ammler> and why should you?
21:02:29  <Chris_Booth> you can with the openGFX in the NewGRF list
21:06:00  <Ammler> those are old obsolete newgrfs.
21:06:13  <Ammler> shouldn't be used anymore.
21:06:28  <Chris_Booth> i use the water still
21:08:09  <Ammler> well, if you use opengfx, you have that water :-)
21:14:32  <Chris_Booth> that is true
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