Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 2nd April 2010:
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00:01:46  <Ammler> @makeop PeterT
00:01:46  <Webster> Ammler: The operation succeeded.
00:02:44  <PeterT> :-D
00:02:48  <PeterT> neat command
00:02:51  <PeterT> @help makeop
00:02:51  <Webster> PeterT: (makeop <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "channel capability add  op".
00:03:05  <PeterT> @op
00:03:05  *** Webster sets mode: +o PeterT
00:05:43  <Ammler> you didn't take that long to find that channel :-P
00:06:07  <PeterT> I knew about this channel before
00:06:07  <Ammler> @makeop Hirundo
00:06:16  <PeterT> but it was empty when I joined
00:06:17  <PeterT> anyway
00:06:21  <PeterT> time 4 southparks!
00:06:29  <PeterT> (South Park)
00:07:27  <Ammler> PeterT: you know my tt-forums avatar?
00:07:34  <PeterT> yes :-)
00:08:55  <PeterT> i'm watching the new one -- about KFC
00:12:34  <PeterT> Ammler:
00:12:35  <Webster> Title: South Park Episode Player - Medicinal Fried Chicken (at
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11:04:57  <PeterT> @services op
11:04:57  *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster
11:05:00  <PeterT> @op
11:05:00  *** Webster sets mode: +o PeterT
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12:02:55  <PeterT> Ammler: Are we going to run a 1.0.0 server?
12:03:12  <Ammler> we already did :-)
12:03:24  <PeterT> are you going to again?
12:03:50  <Ammler> yes, maybe
12:04:20  <PeterT> ok :-)
12:04:27  <PeterT> we could run PublicServer on it
12:04:33  <Ammler> no
12:04:36  <PeterT> since 1.0.0 is the equivalent of a very recent nightly
12:05:01  <Ammler> we run nightly there as "prefilter"
12:05:28  <Ammler> only people which can install nightlies should join us
12:05:47  <PeterT> indeed
12:06:15  <Ammler> I mean, I run that stable server for maybe around 3-4 hours
12:06:19  <KenjiE20> 1.0.0 was split from trunk last year anyway
12:06:26  <Ammler> then I had already to ban someone
12:07:01  <Ammler> he created new companies to terraform the whole map to one level
12:07:16  <Ammler> because the stupid guy didn't know about realistic acceleration
12:08:07  <Ammler> also someone else joined a unpassworded company and destroyed the tracks so he was able to build his own tracks
12:08:36  <Ammler> such things dropped my mood to make a stable server quite much...
12:08:56  <PeterT> I guess stable servers need more moderation than nightly ones
12:09:14  <PeterT> On my server, channel #sn, I use a goulp patch to turn off terraforming
12:09:25  <PeterT> and force people to make a company password
12:09:33  <Ammler> I guess, if we make such a server, we should still password the server
12:09:51  <PeterT> probably
12:10:08  <planetmaker> Ammler: that did happen yesterday?
12:10:16  <PeterT> But for the stable, you could only need one password
12:10:20  <PeterT> and put it in the topic
12:10:49  <Ammler> PeterT: mention it on our homepage
12:11:01  <PeterT> Sure
12:11:09  <Ammler> a special rule page where at the bottom is the password
12:11:34  <PeterT> oh the wiki?
12:11:39  <Ammler> yep
12:11:50  <PeterT> what kind of '
12:12:02  <PeterT> what kind of 'special rules' are you thinking of?
12:13:32  <Ammler> none
12:13:42  <Ammler> mostly "play fair"
12:13:59  <PeterT> ok
12:14:23  <Ammler> we have no real experience with it, so this would need to build up
12:14:30  <PeterT> ok :-)
12:14:53  <PeterT> I'll use a dummy wiki page, then Kenji can move it to wherever he wants, ok?
12:15:46  <Ammler> maybe we should setup such a hard compete server I used to visit before I joined #openttdcoop
12:16:06  <planetmaker> have there been *before* you joined coop?!
12:16:33  <Ammler> yes, the server didn't go >0.4.8
12:16:34  <PeterT> hehe
12:16:49  <planetmaker> :-)
12:17:04  <Ammler> that was real fun
12:41:52  <PeterT> Ammler:
12:41:57  <PeterT> KenjiE20: ^
12:57:11  <planetmaker> people need to chose a decent nick.
12:57:33  <PeterT> I shall add thta
12:59:56  * KenjiE20 wonders how one would 'get' communication
12:59:57  <PeterT> planetmaker: fixed
13:00:22  <PeterT> KenjiE20: perhaps the skill of Communication?
13:00:49  <KenjiE20> "What you will need": Communication
13:00:52  <KenjiE20> makes no sense
13:01:08  <PeterT> I will remove it
13:01:59  <Ammler> irc is needed for admin things only, imo
13:02:15  <Ammler> the server would be for people not familiar with irc
13:02:59  <KenjiE20> or anything else for that matter
13:03:17  <KenjiE20> we'll presume they know how to get a stable openttd though
13:03:28  <KenjiE20> since that's well, trained chimp easy
13:04:29  <PeterT> there is no table of contents, how does one add it?
13:04:38  <KenjiE20> what?
13:04:59  <PeterT> a table of contents
13:05:05  <Ammler> TOC
13:05:27  <KenjiE20> it's a preferences thing
13:05:29  <KenjiE20> it's there
13:05:40  <PeterT> ok
13:06:20  <KenjiE20> wouldn't a rules page for stable be better suited on the portal page?
13:07:19  <KenjiE20> since that's the obvious place to visit/find, and the url of the server
13:07:38  <PeterT> I agree witht hat
13:12:59  <PeterT> 11:51:16  <Ammler> well, or ban petert and make the server administratable by the channel :-)
13:13:25  <Ammler> oh :-o
13:13:32  <Ammler> you have your spies :-P
13:13:51  <PeterT> Not exactly
13:13:53  <Ammler> I lost
13:14:02  <Ammler> they decided to make you admin ;-)
13:14:22  <PeterT> 11:58:27  <Ammler> yeah, let us see, how long it needs, until he founds the channel :-)
13:14:22  <PeterT>  <-- hehehehheheh
13:16:04  <Ammler> hmm. logs :-(
13:17:32  <PeterT> why does webster say "Player, please change your in-game nick."?
13:17:44  <PeterT> I know the reason, but what command makes him?
13:17:44  <KenjiE20> because a player joined?
13:17:48  <KenjiE20> mine
13:17:52  <PeterT> just when he sees "Player has joined"
13:18:02  <Ammler> because you didn't update the Player patch for AP+
13:18:10  <KenjiE20> :D
13:18:18  <PeterT> *** Player joined the game
13:18:18  <Webster> Player, please change your in game nick
13:18:26  <PeterT> :-D
13:18:37  *** PeterT was kicked by KenjiE20 (:D)
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13:18:37  *** Webster sets mode: +o PeterT
13:18:50  <PeterT> oh D-:
13:19:03  <PeterT> I will stop
13:21:19  <PeterT> Ammler: amazing the amount of players you had with the server
13:22:23  <Ammler> well, it is easy with "#openttdcoop" in the name :-)
13:22:34  <Ammler> and maybe also the fact, that there were no newgrfs...
13:23:06  <PeterT> Indeed
13:23:15  <PeterT> can we start it up again?
13:23:27  <PeterT> should I register Stablean?
13:23:52  <Ammler> hmm, let me do that
13:24:05  <Ammler> link it to the other server nicks
13:24:14  <PeterT> oh right
13:24:21  <PeterT> hey, I never thought of that
13:24:25  <PeterT> that's a good approah
13:24:27  <PeterT> *approach
13:26:04  <PeterT> Ammler: is this what you were speaking of?
13:28:03  <Ammler> PeterT: that was the guy who founded new companies just for terraforming
13:28:29  <Ammler> as you see, I kicked multiple clients with one ip
13:28:39  <PeterT> registered stablean yet?
13:29:35  <PeterT> Lol
13:30:21  <Ammler> do it, if you want, I need the pw then...
13:31:04  <PeterT> what email address?
13:32:56  <PeterT> I will use Mailinator
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13:35:19  <Stablean> Ammler: PM'd password
13:36:19  *** Stablean has quit IRC
13:37:11  <Ammler> [15:36] <Ammler> could you change the email to
13:37:13  <Ammler> [15:36] [Error] Stablean: No such nick/channel.
13:37:14  <Ammler> [15:36] <Ammler> does email needs confirming?
13:37:36  <PeterT> It doesn't
13:37:41  <PeterT> Ok, I will change it
13:37:53  <Ammler> then you don't need to hide it :-)
13:37:56  <PeterT> I also <Stablean> set url
13:37:57  <PeterT> -NickServ- SET URL to
13:38:32  <PeterT> Ammler: shall we set ENFORCE on?
13:38:38  <Ammler> no
13:39:02  <PeterT> ok
13:39:05  <Ammler> that could just cause troubles, if identify doesn't work
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13:39:12  <Stablean> I've set everything up
13:39:25  <Ammler> thanks :-)
13:39:27  <PeterT> @list services
13:39:27  <Webster> PeterT: ghost, identify, invite, nicks, op, password, unban, and voice
13:39:46  <PeterT> I'll leave it to you to add Stablean to the access list
13:39:58  <Ammler> you can't
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13:40:05  <PeterT> exactly
13:40:35  <Ammler> [15:40] [Notice] -ChanServ- Stablean added to #openttdcoop.stable access list as MEMBER.
13:40:43  <PeterT> woo
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13:41:33  <PeterT> oh right, auto-voice is not on
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13:43:24  <PeterT> Ammler: can you unquiet me on #openttdcoop.bots? I'd like to look at the plugins
14:02:52  <PeterT> Ammler / KenjiE20: can you add the Stable quickstart to the wiki's main page?
14:06:46  <Ammler> PeterT: do not push us :-P
14:07:00  <PeterT> I'm eager to play
14:07:01  <PeterT> ok
14:07:08  <Ammler> I have setup the server
14:07:12  * PeterT goes away from IRC
14:07:13  <Ammler> install webcam
14:07:28  <PeterT> oh, that will be interesting
14:07:30  <Ammler> and getsave
14:46:48  <Ammler> stable doesn't start :-(
14:47:04  <PeterT> error?
14:50:27  <planetmaker> Ammler: you're on our main server installing it?
14:50:39  <Ammler> on ps
14:50:44  <planetmaker> jo
14:50:55  <planetmaker> that's in my eyes the "main server" :-)
14:51:08  <planetmaker> maybe main game server :-)
14:51:17  <Ammler> in my eyes, the main server is _our_ server :-P
14:51:44  <Ammler> yes, our super duper game server
14:51:45  <PeterT> if two people are on the same screen, do you see what commands the other is typing before they execute them?
14:52:00  <Ammler> yep, that is why we use screen
14:52:06  <Ammler> well, not really
14:52:12  <Ammler> but a side effect :-)
14:52:22  <planetmaker> and a good one
14:52:28  <PeterT> @list tweet
14:52:33  <PeterT> @help tweet
14:52:33  <Webster> PeterT: (tweet <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "twitter post $*".
14:53:38  <Ammler> planetmaker: sorry :-P
14:53:44  <planetmaker> gah. screen config sucks there
14:53:52  <planetmaker> my backspace doesn't work there
14:54:10  <Ammler> well
14:54:26  <Ammler> I don't think, backspace cause our troubles :-P
14:54:33  <planetmaker> :-P
14:55:01  <planetmaker> well. OpenTTD runs
14:55:39  <PeterT> woo?
14:55:43  <Ammler> yes :-)
14:55:49  <Ammler> so far I was
14:55:50  <PeterT> woo!
14:56:14  <PeterT> um...  Dedicated
14:56:14  <PeterT> #openttdcoop Welcome Stable (
14:56:14  <PeterT> 	0 / 255 	0 / 15 	r19532
14:56:15  <planetmaker> ok, I just read "OpenTTD doesn't run" ;-)
14:56:23  <PeterT> r19532?
14:56:30  <Ammler> oh
14:56:48  <planetmaker> :-D
14:56:56  <planetmaker> that's why I didn't find it
14:57:01  <PeterT> haha
14:57:24  <Ammler> fixed :-P
14:57:30  <PeterT> already?
14:57:31  <Ammler> but still
14:57:31  <PeterT> fast.
14:57:37  <Ammler> yeah, I am good :-)
14:59:06  <planetmaker> yes :-)
14:59:33  <PeterT> I can see the server, but I cannot connect
15:00:11  <planetmaker> yes, it's down again ;-)
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15:00:27  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
15:00:27  <Stablean> Starting new game: '#openttdcoop Welcome Stable ('
15:00:27  <Stablean> Landscape: temperate
15:00:27  <Stablean> Dimensions: 512x512
15:00:27  <Stablean> Starting year: 1950
15:00:28  *** Stablean has quit IRC
15:00:47  <PeterT> /msg ChanServ set autovoice on
15:01:46  <Ammler> whoo
15:01:49  <Ammler> planetmaker: did it?
15:02:18  <planetmaker> hm?
17:36:53  <Ammler> what happen with the server?
17:36:55  <Ammler> planetmaker: ?
17:37:18  <planetmaker> I did nothing
17:37:40  <Ammler> didn't you get it joining the channel?
17:37:54  <planetmaker> I didn't continue to try actually :-P
17:38:06  <planetmaker> but without ap+ changes it seems to fail
17:38:33  <Ammler> but how did you get to join it?
17:39:22  <planetmaker> it does that before it crashes
17:39:40  <planetmaker> just call ap+ normally
18:11:30  <PeterT> what happens to ap+ exactly?
18:13:30  <Ammler> I don't get it that far, so it joins irc
18:15:34  <PeterT> errors?
18:16:32  <Ammler> still the same
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18:17:55  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
18:17:56  <Stablean> Starting new game: '#openttdcoop Welcome Stable ('
18:17:56  <Stablean> Landscape: temperate
18:17:56  <Stablean> Dimensions: 512x512
18:17:56  <Stablean> Starting year: 1950
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18:18:02  <planetmaker> there, Ammler
18:18:06  <planetmaker> check window2
18:18:28  <planetmaker> it's not like it is of use...
18:22:24  <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe PeterT has an idea
18:22:35  <Ammler> could you paste the output
18:22:51  <Ammler> the window there is quite small, I have no idea, how to paste
18:22:53  <planetmaker> I don't get the full output as I cannot scroll back
18:22:59  <planetmaker> :-D
18:23:10  <planetmaker> piping didn't work either
18:24:17  <Ammler>
18:24:29  <Ammler> PeterT: ^
18:24:34  <PeterT> I see
18:24:42  <Ammler> really? :-o
18:31:35  <planetmaker> any ideas, though?
18:31:46  <PeterT> No
18:32:02  <PeterT> I'm looking at autopilot.tcl's line 199
18:32:12  <planetmaker> Ammler: what about a scp from the mz server in order to obtain a 1:1 copy?
18:32:17  <planetmaker> There it worked after all...
18:32:52  <Ammler> hmm, don't mind
18:33:01  <Ammler> I copied the cfg
18:33:06  <Ammler> build the stable self
18:33:38  <PeterT> hey, didn't you tweet that the port was 4000, and not 3999?
18:33:51  <Ammler> yes, I changed that back
18:34:20  <PeterT> ok
18:34:25  <Ammler> also the ip
18:34:32  <PeterT> line 199 says; 	array set player {}
18:34:33  <Ammler> everything else I left
18:34:53  <Ammler> hmm, maybe we should try unpatched
18:35:55  <PeterT> it is patched?
18:35:59  <PeterT> how so?
18:36:05  <PeterT> DoCommand-Log?
18:36:07  <planetmaker> ap+ is patched.
18:36:11  <PeterT> oh
18:36:29  <planetmaker> with... some default thing... dunno which. I think the { } issue
18:36:30  <Ammler> and the screenshot patch
18:36:35  <planetmaker> right
18:36:35  <Ammler> enabled blitter
18:51:29  <KenjiE20> I see it
18:52:15  <KenjiE20> or at least I see something quite weird
20:28:34  <Ammler> :-)
20:28:43  <Ammler> google adsense income didn't rise

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