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07:11:05  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
07:11:06  <Stablean> <greenlion> hi
07:11:50  <Stablean> <greenlion> V, your network is not working properly - Canville Woods and Canville South are sitting without trains
07:12:04  <Stablean> <V453000> cause trains are going to depot
07:12:48  <Stablean> <V453000> back in no time :p
07:13:00  <Stablean> <greenlion> ah
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08:06:22  <Stablean> <V453000> hi sharpy :)
08:06:32  <Stablean> <sharpy> hi :D
08:06:41  <Stablean> <sharpy> i knew it was your SRN
08:06:53  <Stablean> <V453000> testing new designs :p
08:07:00  <Stablean> <V453000> you can join me if you want
08:07:31  <Stablean> <sharpy> i'll stick to trying to understand as a spectator
08:07:37  <Stablean> <V453000> oki :)
08:07:51  <Stablean> <sharpy> logics not quite there yet for me :P
08:07:58  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
08:08:06  <Stablean> <V453000> it usually is quite simple
08:08:43  <Stablean> <sharpy> once i've followed one of the lines i can see ish what it does :)
08:08:57  <Stablean> <sharpy> but not so fast :)
08:09:07  <Stablean> <V453000> well thats normal :)
08:09:32  <Stablean> <V453000> building is usually kind ofeasie because you arent thrown into the mess right off the bat :)
08:10:12  <Stablean> <sharpy> yeah, its when it comes to the explaining, thats a real test
08:10:23  <Stablean> <sharpy> as einstein suppossedly said
08:10:37  <Stablean> <sharpy> if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it enough
08:10:47  <Stablean> <sharpy> or something life that
08:10:53  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
08:13:26  <Stablean> <sharpy> one of your nots is flickering
08:13:55  <Stablean> <V453000> thx
08:18:04  <Stablean> <sharpy> are the logics in the central station under test or else where?
08:18:13  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
08:18:33  <Stablean> <sharpy> you said testing new stuff?
08:18:35  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
08:19:13  <Stablean> <V453000> well the staon is special from the scratch, the logics just support that :)
08:19:23  <Stablean> <V453000> without them the trains would just be looping around the ring
08:19:29  <Stablean> <V453000> and not join the platforms
08:19:31  <Stablean> <V453000> the logics force them there
08:20:09  <Stablean> <V453000> it is basically "just because" I want them to be able to go anywhere, which way it kind of re-balances the network
08:20:19  <Stablean> <sharpy> yeah
08:20:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V, why is RV set to 200, cant it be higher?
08:20:43  <Stablean> <V453000> only lags server
08:20:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
08:21:06  <Stablean> <sharpy> i love the cyclic design of it, means you can have a lot of trains circling waiting for space too
08:21:20  <Stablean> * greenlion has already reduced number of RVs from 200 to 165 :)
08:21:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
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08:23:28  <Stablean> <V453000> the best thing about unordered trains is that you sometimes cant really say what will they do :D
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08:47:48  <Stablean> <V453000> hi Mks
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08:51:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> is there a tool of some sort to measure how many trains go over the rail
08:51:15  <Stablean> <V453000> no
08:51:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> in trains/month or so?
08:51:31  <Stablean> <V453000> you could make a train counter with logic
08:51:31  <Stablean> <greenlion> and waypoints does not count?
08:51:33  <Stablean> <V453000> but ...
09:27:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V?
09:27:23  <Stablean> <V453000> yes?
09:27:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can you change a little rail forme?
09:27:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i want to build a tunnel
09:28:04  <Stablean> <V453000> if I new where
09:28:06  <Stablean> <V453000> knew
09:28:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but because of the height of your track
09:28:13  <Stablean> <V453000> oh that shit
09:28:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> see sign
09:28:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> even better
09:28:34  <Stablean> <V453000> even likethis
09:29:22  <Stablean> <V453000> oh, Mks going for Mono :O
09:29:46  <Stablean> <Mks> gona upgrade to maglev also later on
09:29:50  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
09:29:56  <Stablean> <Mks> wana see that new track
09:30:02  <Stablean> <V453000> its nice
09:30:08  <Stablean> <V453000> but upgrade all bridges before you do so
09:30:08  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh your logic gates are monorail :)
09:30:20  <Stablean> <Mks> I have upgraded all bridges now
09:30:22  <Stablean> <V453000> all bridges look the same on maglev
09:30:24  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
09:30:32  <Stablean> <V453000> well not all, just the ones that need speed
09:30:39  <Stablean> <V453000> (gates)
09:30:56  <Stablean> <Mks> only thing is I am not sure if I should use the dual loco or 2 single locos
09:31:06  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
09:31:12  <Stablean> <V453000> depends what you want to use :)
09:31:19  <Stablean> <Mks> well I want fast but
09:31:32  <Stablean> <Mks> on monorail for example the pax loco is so slow with cargo
09:31:40  <Stablean> <Mks> so not gona use that and it ain't much faster
09:31:42  <Stablean> <V453000> Z1 is quite a shit
09:31:46  <Stablean> <Mks> but on maglev its quite a bit diffrence
09:31:55  <Stablean> <Mks> and I belive the maglev loco isn't that bad either?
09:32:17  <Stablean> <V453000> depends what you like really
09:32:23  <Stablean> <Mks> speed :P
09:32:25  <Stablean> <V453000> but Lev3 is more practical
09:32:27  <Stablean> <V453000> I know :)
09:35:01  <Stablean> <Mks> is lev 4 good enough to replace two lev3?
09:35:13  <Stablean> <V453000> in what terms? :)
09:35:42  <Stablean> <Mks> or well rather is
09:36:00  <Stablean> <V453000> well if you have like 1x Lev3 or 1xLev4 for TL3, I would say they are equal in terms of cargo througput
09:36:10  <Stablean> <Mks> lev4 equally acceleration as 2 X2001?
09:36:34  <Stablean> <V453000> because you have 25% more capacity from the extra wagon for Lev3 ... and the speeds are 483 vs. 643 which is like 30% more for Lev4
09:36:44  <Stablean> <V453000> Lev4 acceleration is very bad :)
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09:37:11  <Stablean> <Mks> so better to have 2x lev3 then for acceleration?
09:37:15  <Stablean> <V453000> for sure
09:37:35  <Stablean> <V453000> even 1 Lev3 is much better than Lev4 in this regard
09:38:00  <Stablean> <Mks> I know the Z1 has really bad acceleration
09:38:14  <Stablean> <Mks> but all the maglev should be better?
09:38:17  <Stablean> <V453000> consider it as pax locomotive and ignore it for cargo :p
09:38:59  <Stablean> <V453000> well ... in compare with X2001 they might be a bit better
09:39:01  <Stablean> <V453000> but about the same
09:39:07  <Stablean> <V453000> in acceleration trail lengths
09:39:13  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
09:39:33  <Stablean> <V453000> (for Lev1,2,3)
09:39:43  <Stablean> <Mks> they should add a new track type vacum tubes :)
09:39:49  <Stablean> <V453000> lol
09:39:52  <Stablean> <Mks> for higher speed like 6000km/h
09:40:02  <Stablean> <V453000> use logic engine :)
09:40:08  <Stablean> <Mks> well you can't put wagons on that one
09:40:14  <Stablean> <V453000> you can
09:40:16  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
09:42:26  <Stablean> <Mks> the logic train only goes in 99km/h
09:42:32  <Stablean> <Mks> is it a parameter for the speed?
09:42:34  <Stablean> <V453000> set parameter
09:43:32  <Stablean> <Mks> where to find out about parameters tho
09:43:40  <Stablean> <V453000> just set the speed you want
09:43:45  <Stablean> <V453000> it is in the info afaik
09:44:17  <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh
09:44:19  <Stablean> <Mks> nice
09:44:27  <Stablean> <Mks> is there any limit how fast a train can go?
09:44:31  <Stablean> <V453000> 65k I think
09:44:34  <Stablean> <V453000> not sure tho
09:47:37  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh 60k mm
09:47:45  <Stablean> <Mks> can hardly see the train when it passes by :P
09:47:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
09:47:54  <Stablean> <V453000> pointless speed imo :)
09:48:00  <Stablean> <Mks> thought it does take a very long time to accelerate to 60k
09:48:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 60000 kph?
09:48:08  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
09:48:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which train is it?
09:48:47  <Stablean> <V453000> logic engine
09:49:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> in this game?
09:49:12  <Stablean> <V453000> no
09:49:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ahh
09:49:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still 60.000 kph
09:49:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> O.O
09:49:53  <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh
09:50:03  <Stablean> <Mks> 20 logic engine locos means instant 60 000 km/h :)
09:50:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :S
09:50:31  <Stablean> <V453000> TL12 = 2 wagons? :D
09:51:01  <Stablean> <Mks> no TL10
09:51:09  <Stablean> <Mks> and only locos
09:51:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so 20 locs = 1/5 speed of light? instantaneous?
09:51:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nobody would survive such g-forces
09:51:48  <Stablean> <V453000> light is 300k
09:51:48  <Stablean> <Mks> 60 km/h isn't 1/5 speed of light
09:51:58  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah light is 300 000 km/ second
09:52:03  <Stablean> <Mks> so quite far from that
09:52:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it was 60.000 kph
09:52:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah
09:52:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> never mind
09:52:25  <Stablean> <Mks>
09:53:48  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't really get your station V
09:54:05  <Stablean> <Mks> why don't trains enter the closests empty plattform
09:54:11  <Stablean> <Mks> only seem to wana enter some of them
09:54:14  <Stablean> <V453000> cause they dont go there actually? :)
09:54:42  <Stablean> <V453000> the station isnt done completely btw
09:54:45  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
09:54:54  <Stablean> <V453000> north and east are incomplete
09:54:54  <Stablean> <Mks> sure is a big station :P
09:55:16  <Stablean> <V453000> no, the size is kept, only some details are missing
09:55:41  <Stablean> <Mks> well station it self isn't quite big still but I mean all the tracks for the station makes it take up ALOT of space
09:55:59  <Stablean> <V453000> good :)
09:57:35  <Stablean> <Mks> I noticed some strange thigns of your station
09:57:45  <Stablean> <V453000> thats possible :)
09:57:46  <Stablean> <Mks> there are several plattforms free at the same spot they enter
09:58:00  <Stablean> <Mks> but they still queue up for the filled ones
09:58:03  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
09:58:23  <Stablean> <Mks> is it really suppose to work like that?
09:58:33  <Stablean> <V453000> it isnt supposed to do anything against it :)
09:58:36  <Stablean> <V453000> almost
09:58:46  <Stablean> <V453000> it is supposed to work :) any possible way
09:58:56  <Stablean> <V453000> this is quite ok
09:59:18  <Stablean> <Mks> whats that extra rail piece just before the plattform for?
09:59:28  <Stablean> <V453000> to make it work :)
09:59:32  <Stablean> <V453000> pathfinder fucking
09:59:39  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
09:59:46  <Stablean> <Mks> so if you remove that it won't work?
09:59:50  <Stablean> <V453000> indeed
09:59:57  <Stablean> <Mks> strange
10:00:09  <Stablean> <V453000> lost trains :)
10:00:27  <Stablean> <V453000> look !here
10:00:29  <Stablean> <V453000> I will remove it temporarily
10:00:39  <Stablean> <V453000> they will deadlock
10:00:42  <Stablean> <Mks> ok
10:00:46  <Stablean> <V453000> when someone comes -.-
10:00:46  <Stablean> <Mks> lets se some trains
10:01:40  <Stablean> <V453000> see
10:01:48  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
10:01:50  <Stablean> <V453000> possible solutions:
10:01:53  <Stablean> <V453000> a) PBS
10:01:57  <Stablean> <V453000> see what happens now
10:02:17  <Stablean> <V453000> I will unjam it first
10:02:51  <Stablean> <V453000> well now they are supposed to break :)
10:02:53  <Stablean> <V453000> like this
10:02:57  <Stablean> <V453000> until other train comes
10:03:13  <Stablean> <Mks> why don't they leave station now
10:03:19  <Stablean> <V453000> it is a "bug"
10:03:47  <Stablean> <V453000> the "" is because devs did it on purpose ... kind of
10:03:51  <Stablean> <Mks> so in this case a PBS won't work
10:03:54  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:04:02  <Stablean> <V453000> and with any other lost trains PBS does the same
10:04:11  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh yes I've noticed
10:04:28  <Stablean> <V453000> one of the reasons why not to use PBS at the current stage ...
10:05:27  <Stablean> <Mks> so basicilly PBS if you have orders check the entire way to the end at once and if something isn't right the trains just acts dumb?
10:05:38  <Stablean> <V453000> well quite
10:05:44  <Stablean> <V453000> but the "get dumb" can happen very easily
10:05:54  <Stablean> <V453000> for example if your train goes to autoreplace in a depot
10:06:00  <Stablean> <V453000> and cant get back from it
10:06:04  <Stablean> <V453000> it will deadlock forever
10:06:21  <Stablean> <V453000> just because lost trains are treated that way
10:06:26  <Stablean> <Mks> you mean like it goes to a depot nextbefore a terminus station?
10:06:31  <Stablean> <V453000> it is retarded, it breaks the game, but devs consider it right
10:06:34  <Stablean> <V453000> anywhere
10:06:37  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
10:06:47  <Stablean> <Mks> why do they think its right?
10:06:49  <Stablean> <V453000> but there isnt a straight path for the pathfinder from the depot to the destination
10:07:04  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean if I am not entierly misstaken it haven't always worked like that has it?
10:07:16  <Stablean> <V453000> it was changed because of some other """"bug"""" (someone just built wrongly and it was considered a bug)
10:07:26  <Stablean> <V453000> It never worked that way
10:07:36  <Stablean> <V453000> until like ~r19600?
10:07:42  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont remember the exact number :)
10:07:48  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
10:08:10  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean I still think if a train is lost it should at least take a path thats possible to go
10:08:16  <Stablean> <V453000> exactly
10:08:18  <Stablean> <V453000> that would make sense
10:08:48  <Stablean> <V453000> the problem is ... nothing was fixed but PBS now breaks
10:09:18  <Stablean> <Mks> well its the same if you forgot to upgrade 1 tile to erail trains can get really stuck then
10:09:28  <Stablean> <Mks> and since they don't go there can be hard to find
10:10:22  <Stablean> <V453000> quite
10:10:36  <Stablean> <V453000> but I would consider that "just a network mistake"
10:10:54  <Stablean> <V453000> where who has all autoreplace depots able to go anywhere else on the network?
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10:11:34  <Stablean> <Marian323> hello ;d
10:11:44  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
10:11:50  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
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10:12:36  <Stablean> <V453000> bye ;o
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10:14:44  <Stablean> <Mks> only orderless network I've ever built is a pax city network
10:14:47  <Stablean> <Mks> with maglev trains
10:14:59  <Stablean> <Mks> and it didn't use logics :P
10:15:01  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
10:15:53  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont mind building logics :)
10:16:11  <Stablean> <Mks> well I've had them explained sometime but still
10:16:29  <Stablean> <Mks> not sure how to build them :)
10:16:31  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
10:16:41  <Stablean> <V453000> you need to know what you want to do :)
10:16:43  <Stablean> <Mks> a full trains is waiting to load at a station now :P
10:16:49  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:16:56  <Stablean> <V453000> I disconnected one part of the drop badly
10:17:02  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
10:17:06  <Stablean> <V453000> should work now
10:17:45  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't even know what your logic trains do :)
10:17:52  <Stablean> <V453000> depends which one :p
10:18:00  <Stablean> <Mks> at the loading stations
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10:18:12  <Stablean> <V453000> well when trains have no orders they dont have full load
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10:18:26  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I get the part for the dummy train
10:18:36  <Stablean> <V453000> so the logic trains release them  into the station, when there is enough cargo for them :) easy
10:18:38  <Stablean> <Mks> it full loads and unloads
10:18:56  <Stablean> <V453000> and when the dummy train loads, it goes past the 2way signal and the NOT gate blocks ... tha way it releases them
10:19:09  <Stablean> <V453000> look at it for a little, it should be clear :)
10:19:57  <Stablean> <Mks> so the dummy train has 9 wagons?
10:19:59  <Stablean> <V453000> yeeey, I have Eastern quarter done as well now :) one last sector od the drop
10:20:02  <Stablean> <V453000> 12
10:20:04  <Stablean> <V453000> 4x3
10:20:09  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
10:20:21  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
10:20:45  <Stablean> <Mks> what would happen if you build the loading station without the logic gate?
10:20:49  <Stablean> <Mks> it wouldn't work?
10:21:09  <Stablean> <V453000> it would
10:21:19  <Stablean> <V453000> it is like for example Plundwood Station #194
10:21:22  <Stablean> <V453000> but see station ratings
10:21:37  <Stablean> <V453000> 50 vs 70-80%
10:21:59  <Stablean> <V453000> the logic design is just faster :)
10:22:43  <Stablean> <Mks> well how does the 194 station worsk
10:22:45  <Stablean> <Mks> works
10:22:51  <Stablean> <V453000> simply
10:22:54  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean trains seem to load at plundwood valley?
10:22:56  <Stablean> <V453000> there are 3 steam locos
10:23:03  <Stablean> <V453000> those load at Plundwood Valley
10:23:05  <Stablean> <V453000> ye
10:23:15  <Stablean> <V453000> then they wait until they are all loaded
10:23:17  <Stablean> <V453000> at the middle area
10:23:32  <Stablean> <V453000> and when they are all loaded, they go to drop, where at the same time the loading trains are released
10:23:45  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
10:23:53  <Stablean> <V453000> you can see that all 3 of the Plundwood Valley platforms are 1 signal block
10:24:03  <Stablean> <Mks> does station rating affect when you do transfers?
10:24:13  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
10:24:19  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think so
10:24:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well 194 has quite bad station rating
10:24:29  <Stablean> <Mks> but plundwood valley has decent
10:24:44  <Stablean> <V453000> because nobody is in 194 for a long time as you can see :)
10:24:54  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
10:25:01  <Stablean> <V453000> whereas they are almos still at the Valley
10:25:11  <Stablean> <V453000> thats the only thing really
10:25:17  <Stablean> <V453000> it works quite fine :)
10:25:35  <Stablean> <V453000> although in larger scale I like to make the logic ones rather
10:25:46  <Stablean> <V453000> maybe just a prefference :)
10:26:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well both seem to take up some land area
10:26:15  <Stablean> <V453000> see our PSG 180 if you want to see an unordered network :)
10:26:18  <Stablean> <Mks> tho I think the non logic takes up more
10:26:38  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't 180 an old game?
10:26:56  <Stablean> <V453000> well 193 is current
10:27:30  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
10:27:33  <Stablean> <Mks> not that old then :P
10:27:43  <V453000> @psgsave 180
10:27:43  <Webster> PSG 180 Archive entry;
10:27:51  <Stablean> <Mks> I belive unorderd networks been done before?
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10:28:15  <V453000> not in large scale
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10:28:23  <Stablean> <V453000> or ... not totally unordered
10:28:57  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
10:29:00  <Stablean> <V453000> there is still quite a difference between no orders, one (unload) order, and never rechable orders
10:29:39  <Stablean> <Mks> is there anyway to make an unordered network with diffrent types of trains
10:29:47  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:29:51  <Stablean> <Mks> like coal+ wood on the same tracks
10:29:53  <Stablean> <V453000> different train lengths
10:30:12  <Stablean> <V453000> but well ... there is no real point in that
10:30:28  <Stablean> <V453000> for example we had already 2200 wood trains
10:30:34  <Stablean> <V453000> why would you need something else :)
10:30:50  <Stablean> <V453000> (plus 800 logic trains :D )
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10:31:32  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
10:34:10  <Stablean> <Mks> your sawmill stations looks nice
10:34:16  <Stablean> <Mks> but its just a big mess for me :P
10:34:18  <Stablean> <Mks> well
10:34:24  <Stablean> <Mks> I an follow parts of it
10:34:32  <Stablean> <V453000> Troy: tunneled the last part of the rails that you needed to bridge over !here
10:34:44  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
10:35:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thx
10:35:18  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
10:35:28  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont really need the throughput there :)
10:36:07  <Stablean> <V453000> as for !this, if you moved your tracks one tile to the north, I could bridge over
10:36:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> workin on it
10:37:15  <Stablean> <V453000> happitrainz :)
10:38:12  <Stablean> <V453000> im starting to hate those trees
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10:53:41  <Stablean> <V453000> food calls
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10:53:57  <Stablean> <V453000> and kuch3n comes :D
10:53:59  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
11:03:48  <Stablean> <V453000> kuch3n: I bent your tracks a bit near New Sleburg Halt ;)
11:03:58  <Stablean> <V453000> needed space :)
11:04:22  <Stablean> <V453000> yez
11:04:38  <Stablean> <V453000> no
11:04:40  <Stablean> <V453000> leave it
11:04:43  <Stablean> <V453000> its fine already
11:04:49  <Stablean> <V453000> I joined your company before
11:04:53  <Stablean> <V453000> and modified it a little
11:04:57  <Stablean> <V453000> just telling you :)
11:05:01  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ok :)
11:05:07  <Stablean> <V453000> :D wtf is this
11:05:15  <Stablean> <V453000> omg-.-
11:05:17  <Stablean> <kuch3n> :D
11:05:23  <Stablean> <kuch3n> looks amazing ;)
11:05:30  <Stablean> <V453000> not rly :)
11:05:50  <Stablean> <V453000> but well, as long as you are happy :P
11:06:08  <Stablean> <kuch3n> and as long you are, too ;)
11:06:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont care about that really :)
11:06:36  <Stablean> <V453000> as long as the bridge doesnt crash down onto my trainies :P
11:06:44  <Stablean> <kuch3n> give me a sec..
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11:18:16  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Troy McClure: U need more Signals !here
11:18:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ty
11:20:51  <Stablean> <kuch3n> what is srn?
11:21:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> probably has something to do withh logic
11:21:23  <greenlion> self-regulating network?
11:21:31  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ic
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11:33:19  <Nite> anyone playing on this server?
11:33:26  <kuch3n_> yes
11:33:54  <Nite> iam still banned here 4 no reason sadly
11:34:11  <Stablean> <kuch3n> i dont think ure banned 4 no reason
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11:34:39  <planetmaker> !playercount
11:34:39  <Stablean> planetmaker: Number of players: 6 (4 spectators)
11:34:39  <Nite> thats the prob - iam banned so it must be a reason
11:35:10  <Nite> until some generous admin unbans me - no play :(
11:35:48  <planetmaker> we don't ban for no reason
11:36:11  <Nite> well i was blocked yesterday
11:36:23  <Nite> but since the blocker himself first complained
11:36:42  <SmatZ> !rules
11:36:45  <SmatZ> hmm :p
11:36:56  <Nite> the decision was that i should have sensed that he (the blocker) wanted to build there first
11:37:24  <Nite> it lasted in a huge missunderstanding between me and V453 ...
11:37:39  <Nite> resultet in a kickban ...
11:38:20  <planetmaker> and when approx. (time) has that been?
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11:38:40  <Nite> sometime yesterday afternoon
11:38:47  <planetmaker> which time zone?
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11:39:01  <Nite> GMT
11:39:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it was about 1955
11:39:21  <Nite> oh GMT +1
11:39:50  <Nite> ah it was you troy i had teh "fight" with?
11:40:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you were blockin and after that... unkind i would say
11:40:27  <Nite> i was NOT blocking
11:40:35  <Nite> you blocked my station
11:40:44  <Nite> because you didnt like the station there
11:40:45  <kuch3n_> starting again..
11:40:55  <planetmaker> no point arguing :-)
11:40:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i dont want to do this all over again
11:41:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V=admin, he banned you
11:41:12  <Nite> you dont want because you know you where wrong
11:41:32  <Nite> you where lucky
11:41:37  <Nite> i had bad luck
11:41:39  <planetmaker> Troy, I might just extend that to you, too ;-)
11:42:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, you pissed of the admin, that is not bad luck
11:42:19  <Nite> i dont want a fight again
11:42:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ill keep shush
11:42:47  <Nite> you daont think a complete ban was hard there
11:43:06  <Nite> iam sure we could have worked it out gameplay wise
11:43:17  <Nite> as there was much space on the map !?
11:43:24  <planetmaker> It may be. But we have to keep our sanity
11:43:54  <kuch3n_> Nite: Ask for unban.
11:44:28  <Nite> guess what iam trying to archeive here
11:44:36  <SmatZ> Nite: this way you won't be unbanned - come back after some time, say "I am sorry for what I did, I won't do that again", and you might have chance
11:44:49  <SmatZ> this way you are asking for ban from this place as well
11:44:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V is lunching, he should be back soon
11:44:59  <Nite> i also ask admins to look at situatuions closely before a quick ban
11:45:22  <planetmaker> we usually do so
11:45:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I suggest everybody waits for him
11:45:35  <planetmaker> Besides you said yourself that "there are sufficient servers out there"
11:45:50  <Nite> i odnt know "V" is he normally fair?
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11:46:55  <Nite> and about sanity: "Welcome to the depths of insanity" is a quote from yours ;)
11:46:57  <planetmaker> you don't have to know any of us. We are fair by definition ;-)
11:47:16  <Nite> that is what worries me
11:47:33  <planetmaker> Why do you worry about our server?
11:48:01  <planetmaker> we could just password-protect it and only let "our buddies" play here
11:48:07  <Nite> i think building a station exactly in front of another one that was there first
11:48:13  <Nite> is blocking
11:48:33  <planetmaker> it is. But I wasn't there and I trust V's judgement
11:48:55  <Nite> ok have to try this another way
11:49:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> No, wait for V, if you re so keen
11:49:31  <Nite> i would have discussed the lets say "unclear" situation but was kickbanned instead of given any chance
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11:49:57  <SmatZ> Nite: you told V453000 "F*** YOU" (without the ***)
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11:50:10  <Nite> for me it was more an an "UNwelcome" server ... ;)
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11:50:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> no, wait for v
11:50:46  <Nite> i did shortly after kickban
11:50:52  <planetmaker> Nite, I read what you said. The ban is well justified
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11:51:00  <Nite> but u know V is also not short on swearing
11:51:03  <planetmaker> Abusing others is not tolerable in any case.
11:52:05  <Nite> well i will not discuss the use of the F word deeply now
11:52:23  <V453000> hi guys :)
11:52:28  <Ammler> the word alone does make a kban legal
11:52:32  <Nite> iam out, and back later, see if peace wins ;)
11:52:51  <Ammler> no matter what happen else
11:52:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> hi v
11:53:06  <planetmaker> hi V453000 & Ammler
11:53:13  <Nite> well i dont think this word is to bad, after all sex shouldnt be the enemy ...
11:53:16  <planetmaker> and hi SmatZ :-)
11:53:25  <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :)_
11:53:35  <Ammler> I don't think that was related to sex
11:53:36  <Nite> Hi V (sure you remember me)
11:53:47  <Nite> no it wasnt it was swearing
11:53:55  <V453000> the ban was because of: a) this person was here a few times and always there were at least some conflicts with others, b) he just started building right in the city where Troy was just building, of course the rest of the map was free
11:54:12  <V453000> I dont realy care about swear words :p just words as any other
11:54:31  <Nite> i just figured it was a good starting point in realtively large towns ...
11:54:36  <Nite> and so i started there
11:55:10  <Nite> troy complained and blocked me, i complained back, you kicked me, i swear (the F word) ...
11:55:12  <V453000> yea so that where someone grows a city for some time and cares abou it, you come and ruin it
11:55:39  <Nite> you missunderstand me
11:55:58  <Nite> i care about clean gameplay and not blocking towns
11:56:01  <V453000> then explain yourself better because I think I can see it clear :)
11:57:02  <Nite> well i try to explain, burt i almost think that u make fun of it not giving me chances ...
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11:57:52  <Nite> and i have to go out now ... but i will be back and hope that u simply forget it, peace out, and unban me ...
11:58:21  <Nite> cya
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11:59:03  <V453000> "I hope you forget it, unban me. " :D
11:59:08  <V453000> sorry but that is just ridiculous :)
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11:59:29  <SmatZ> hmm I was too slow
11:59:33  <V453000> :D
11:59:46  <planetmaker> keep it despite
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12:09:47  <kuch3n_> when does this server restart?
12:10:10  <planetmaker> the same time as usual. Don't you know meanwhile?
12:10:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> im quite new, when is that? 2100?
12:10:57  <kuch3n_> planetmaker: nope :o
12:11:09  <Stablean> <V453000> expect about 2100 :)
12:11:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> k
12:11:17  <kuch3n_> now i do :>
12:11:17  <Stablean> <V453000> but in general it is just when the game is done
12:11:22  <planetmaker> "when the map is done" ;-)
12:11:27  <V453000> :)
12:11:31  <kuch3n_> "done"?
12:11:34  <Ammler> or when V is around :-)
12:11:40  <planetmaker> hehe
12:11:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> and how do you decide when the map/game is done?
12:12:11  <Ammler> you tell us :-)
12:12:13  <kuch3n_> everything connected?
12:12:14  <planetmaker> mood, stomach feeling, time of day, demand, constellations...
12:12:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> :P
12:12:25  <V453000> :)
12:12:39  <Ammler> weather :-P
12:13:16  <V453000> Ammler: too, when there is bad weather, more people play :p
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12:13:35  <planetmaker> actually I think the only thing having NO influence are the celectial constellations ;-)
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12:13:59  <Ammler> or server crashes
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12:26:02  <Stablean> <greenlion> V, are you replacing your trains again?
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12:33:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> greenlion?
12:33:23  <Stablean> <greenlion> V, trains seem not to reach your east stations
12:33:35  <Stablean> <kuch3n> where?
12:34:19  <Stablean> <greenlion> Canville South, Canville Woods and Little Pruntbourne Bridge Halt
12:34:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> its called snr
12:34:47  <Stablean> <kuch3n> srn
12:35:04  <Stablean> <kuch3n> have a look at the blog
12:35:25  <Stablean> <Mks> I don't think V finnished the station yet
12:35:44  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Troy McClure #1: u need more signals at new sleburg, same as the one before
12:36:10  <Stablean> <greenlion> yes, and this bad snr if trains are not going to all stations :) some trains went east now, though
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12:46:08  <Stablean> <Mks> your train crashed greenlion
12:46:15  <Stablean> <greenlion> yeah :)
12:48:15  <Stablean> <Mks> heh another crash
12:48:25  <Stablean> <greenlion> not mine this time :)
12:48:29  <Stablean> <kuch3n> mine :(
12:48:36  <Stablean> <kuch3n> at new sleburg
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12:55:22  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Troy McClure #1: Tuningley is a way ineffectiv
12:55:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> what do you mean?
12:57:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> but can it handle this train density?
12:57:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> plus, its not that i have much space here
12:59:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> works for short trains, since this is max station spread=10
12:59:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> that stepped wise wouldnt work too well
12:59:39  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: cool eh :)
12:59:53  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
12:59:57  <Stablean> <V453000> some tiles under bridges are bad
13:00:21  <Stablean> <Mks> my maglev conversion you mean?
13:00:29  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:00:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> ahh, no, i want maglev
13:00:42  <Stablean> <V453000> the bridges are unluckily broken
13:00:46  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Troy McClure #1: the 3 lines join one line.
13:01:00  <Stablean> <Mks> well they look nice the bridges?
13:01:10  <Stablean> <V453000> might be opengfx
13:01:11  <Stablean> <V453000> sec
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13:01:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> what 3 lines?
13:01:16  <Stablean> <Mks> ah I see under bridges
13:01:19  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah that looks a bit strange
13:01:31  <Stablean> <Mks> funny thing tho
13:01:40  <Stablean> <Mks> if you press see through thingie
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13:01:44  <Stablean> <Mks> then they all look good even under bridges
13:01:50  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:01:56  <Stablean> <V453000> but with it visible they dont
13:02:33  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
13:02:35  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
13:02:41  <Stablean> <Mks> so must be a bug in the newgrf?
13:02:48  <Stablean> <kuch3n> just suggesting
13:02:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> yeah, thanks for that
13:03:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> i appreciate it
13:03:17  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm weird
13:03:41  <Stablean> <V453000> I think it collides with some other newgrf
13:03:45  <Stablean> <V453000> sec I will find out which
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13:03:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> but to be honest most of the time the most tracks are occupied
13:04:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> the pbs is not working very bad
13:04:28  <V453000> PBS is bad by default :p
13:04:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> uhm, no not by default
13:05:08  <V453000> as I thought ... UK roads break the railset
13:05:12  <V453000> due to unknown reasons :)
13:05:16  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh strange
13:05:35  <Stablean> <Mks> why should that affect the bridges over anything except maybe the roads
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13:05:45  <V453000> no idea :)
13:06:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> unlike your sawmill station, at any given time, more   tracks are occupied at tuningley
13:06:07  <Stablean> <V453000> hm
13:06:18  <planetmaker> narrow gauge rails?
13:06:26  <Stablean> <V453000> pm: no, the new maglev set
13:06:32  <planetmaker> shanghai?
13:06:36  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:06:40  <Stablean> <V453000> bridge sprites break with UK roads
13:06:51  <Stablean> <V453000> no idea why
13:07:28  <planetmaker> he replaces bridges. Which is a bad idea [tm]
13:07:36  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
13:08:24  <Stablean> <Mks> well the bridges do look nice otherwise
13:11:21  <Stablean> <V453000> I can reload the game without the roads if you want
13:11:30  <Stablean> <kuch3n> or restart hrhr
13:11:32  <Stablean> <V453000> here are enough people to keep the passwords for companies :)
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13:11:53  <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't matter really
13:15:53  <Stablean> <V453000> lets reload
13:15:54  <Stablean> <V453000> saving now
13:16:00  <Stablean> <kuch3n> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :>
13:16:20  <Stablean> <kuch3n> well all die
13:17:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> are we reloading?
13:17:20  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I wana know cause I need to add trains otherwise
13:17:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> is last save already made?
13:18:15  <Stablean> <Mks> it might have been saved if he needs to change the save some
13:18:30  <Stablean> <V453000> I already said ...
13:18:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> im about to change to maglev
13:18:59  <V453000> !getsave
13:18:59  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
13:19:02  <V453000> !rcon ls
13:19:02  <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
13:19:02  <Stablean> V453000: 1) StableTemp12fix.sav
13:19:03  <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableTemp12.sav
13:19:03  <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableTemp11.sav
13:19:03  <Stablean> V453000: 4) StableTemp10.sav
13:19:03  <Stablean> V453000: you have 62 more messages
13:19:05  <V453000> !rcon load 1
13:19:10  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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13:19:19  <kuch3n_> join faster guys
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13:19:36  <V453000> !rcon unpause
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13:20:15  <Stablean> <V453000> set your passwords btw
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13:20:29  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ive already stolen all your money
13:20:40  <Stablean> <V453000> people who werent here have "pass" please tell them if Iam not around when they join
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13:39:56  <Stablean> <Mks> seems like I recently upgraded to monorail and now again lots of job to replace all trains
13:40:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> It doesnt have to be that difficult
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13:40:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you already had maglev in test fase
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13:40:46  <Stablean> <Mks> you need to replace your bridges
13:40:50  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I know
13:40:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i replaced all my vehicles already
13:41:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yea, bridges i still need to do
13:41:49  <Stablean> <Mks> your using 1 loco on those long trains of yours I am using 2 on my short trains :P
13:42:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i have a standard coal train: 14 long
13:42:27  <Stablean> <Mks> well my trains are 6 long
13:42:30  <Stablean> <Mks> with dual locos :P
13:42:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so i copied that one and copied the orders from existing trains
13:42:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yea, but you can just clone them right?
13:43:05  <Stablean> <Mks> well I know you can copy and stuff but still lots of clickng to replace 300 trains
13:43:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah but inserting every order by hand  is even more inefficient
13:43:52  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
13:43:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still, good luck
13:44:35  <Stablean> <Mks> you have a bit to many trains at some stations if you ask me :)
13:44:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, thats the downside
13:45:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> faster livery, you dont know how much to copy
13:45:13  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah way to many at some station
13:45:22  <Stablean> <Mks> well I copy some then add more when needed
13:45:23  <Stablean> <Mks> to not have to many
13:45:34  <Stablean> <Mks> your train is blocking the line
13:45:38  <Stablean> <Mks> due to way to many
13:45:52  <Stablean> <Mks> at west great grenfingpool
13:46:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seen it
13:46:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that mine used to be 2000
13:46:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> now its 1500
13:46:52  <Stablean> <Mks> these trains travel 2x the speed of the old ones tho
13:46:58  <Stablean> <Mks> so you don't need quite as many now
13:47:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, so im discarding some now
13:48:45  <Stablean> <Mks> kuch3n at sign !here your missing a piece of the track
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13:57:05  <SmatZ> !ip
13:57:05  <Stablean> SmatZ:
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13:58:52  <SmatZ> :D @ logic trains going backwards
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14:07:25  <V453000> :)
14:16:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V? shouldnt you be upgrading too?
14:18:26  <Stablean> <V453000> why should I
14:18:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> um, dont know
14:18:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> faster?
14:18:49  <Stablean> <V453000> so?
14:18:59  <Stablean> <V453000> what does speed give me
14:19:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> a rush?
14:19:27  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
14:20:56  <Stablean> <V453000> no, I will not upgrade :p
14:21:34  <Stablean> <greenlion> troy, remove signals from your loop :)
14:22:10  <Stablean> <greenlion> need to start them simulateusly...
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15:09:00  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i cant join my comp, why?
15:09:07  <Stablean> <Mks> password is pass
15:09:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it was reloaded
15:09:16  <Stablean> <Mks> cause server was restarted
15:09:26  <Stablean> <Mks> try "pass"  as password
15:09:28  <Stablean> <Mks> should work
15:09:30  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> my psw doesnt work, someone must steal my comp
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15:09:47  <Stablean> <Mks> no V set password on all so noone should steal them
15:09:51  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> yeah, pass worked :)
15:10:01  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> thx
15:11:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> daydreamer?
15:11:48  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> yes
15:12:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you have a small iron ore supplyer near little pruntbourne bridge
15:12:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its getting in the way
15:12:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i would want to trade it for another iron ore mine
15:13:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well I'd prefer if he keept it
15:14:09  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hm, but it take a long time to close down to mine .. 40years maybe
15:14:13  <Stablean> <Mks> those mines probarbly won't dissapear in a long time either even if he stops servicing them now
15:14:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if i can trade it for Harnwell Ridge Mines/Harnwell ridge south
15:14:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ill  promise to service those two mines
15:14:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its not about the mines, its about the rails
15:14:57  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
15:15:11  <Stablean> <Mks> well as long as they are serviced I don't care since they feed my station :P
15:15:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, daydreamer?
15:16:03  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> build rail next to my
15:16:05  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> mine
15:16:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> your planning tom move you rails?
15:17:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can you do it to the edge of the map then?
15:17:18  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> no, you must build your rail there
15:17:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
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15:19:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> daydreamer, #23
15:20:19  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> thx
15:21:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you still want the other mines?
15:22:18  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> no, thx
15:25:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, im ready, can you remove your station now?
15:26:31  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i told you, that i dont want to move nothing
15:26:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> also not remove?
15:26:59  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> omg NO!!
15:27:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> apparently we misunderstood
15:28:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why d you think i wanted to trade
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15:29:34  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> pls stop asking me, i realy dont care about you want
15:30:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im trying to be social
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15:35:55  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf is going on here :)
15:36:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> where?
15:36:14  <Stablean> <V453000> on this server? :)
15:36:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, i was under the impression i made a trade
15:37:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to remove rails from my *beautiful* city, but apparently, my wants are of no importance
15:37:36  <Stablean> <V453000> the cities are needlessly big anyway
15:37:46  <Stablean> <V453000> you transport not even 50% pax
15:38:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but i want it to grow
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15:38:27  <Stablean> <V453000> well these 2 rails wont help it much
15:38:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but i want it to row
15:38:41  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> first of all, order new internet provider
15:38:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and have an s ban
15:39:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why arent you just social
15:39:28  <Stablean> <V453000> cause it just doesnt matter I guess
15:39:35  <Stablean> <V453000> needless effort
15:40:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, not entirely
15:40:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> btw, i wasnt talking about you
15:40:57  <Stablean> <V453000> I know
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15:54:49  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ty Mks
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16:00:54  <Stablean> <kuch3n> what are the numbers for at Tuningly?
16:00:57  <Stablean> <kuch3n> in the east?
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16:07:07  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> This game is no fun more for new players :(
16:07:14  <greenlion> !date
16:07:15  <Stablean> greenlion:  2 Mar 2033
16:07:23  <Stablean> <kuch3n> nope, and for old too :)
16:08:18  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> The bleu system is difficult to under stand :$
16:08:32  <Stablean> <kuch3n> V453000's?
16:08:38  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> i think so
16:08:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> yes, but pretty awesome
16:09:04  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> why doesn't he pickupgood s at his sawmill
16:09:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> new sleburg?
16:09:24  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Plundwoos
16:09:46  <Stablean> <kuch3n> its SRN
16:09:56  <Stablean> <kuch3n> have a look at the blog
16:10:10  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ok
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16:21:12  <Stablean> <V453000> goods suck :p
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16:41:07  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Wha tdoes those signs with nubers ontop of rails mean?
16:41:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the tonnage coming from that end
16:41:46  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> lol
16:42:11  <planetmaker> vacuum sucks
16:42:13  <planetmaker> :-P
16:42:14  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> who has built the metro? YOu should use different stations tha tmakes them almost invisible
16:42:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which ones?
16:42:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> stations i mean
16:42:38  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Japanese > uhh
16:42:56  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> something with overpass from the last dropdown menu
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16:43:13  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> It's a building with track underneath
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16:43:44  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Japanese Modular statiosns
16:43:56  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Low and high overpass
16:44:16  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Only use high and low
16:44:29  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> on tracks and the others maybe around
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16:45:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> NIce
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16:47:29  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> In city centers that is almost invisible
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17:21:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i built that station when i was under the impression we had a deal
17:22:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and whichroad am i blocking?
17:23:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes and you are doing road reconstruction
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18:30:18  <Stablean> <Mks> seems 8 plattforms aint enough for 6400 tons a month
18:30:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for steel pick up?
18:31:01  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
18:31:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its only 5812*0,72
18:31:23  <Stablean> <Mks> well it was 6382 or so
18:31:25  <Stablean> <Mks> it varies a bit
18:31:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> true
18:32:22  <Stablean> <Mks> steel pickup has 140 trains but not enough :P
18:32:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, short trains, but not enough no
18:33:13  <Stablean> <Mks> well yeah probarbly with longer plattforms 8 should be enough
18:33:35  <Stablean> <Mks> guess I have to start with 10 next time :)
18:33:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, it held out long
18:34:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you can change it to 10, cant you?
18:34:11  <Stablean> <Mks> steel drop is at the limit as well
18:34:34  <Stablean> <Mks> well maybe but not without sacrificing some curve lenght
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18:44:17  <Stablean> <Mks> well added 2 plattforms at the pickup and also 2 at the drop
18:45:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still not enough
18:45:48  <Stablean> <Mks> well can't really make it bigger in any easy way so
18:45:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i have an idea
18:45:58  <Stablean> <Mks> also seems to keep it up now
18:46:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you can make the middle one the drop off
18:46:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> build another steel mill and work with waypoints
18:46:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well
18:46:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> like i did at tuningley
18:46:50  <Stablean> <Mks> only really works with drop off
18:46:56  <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't really work with pickup
18:47:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm,yes
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18:48:53  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh yeah two steel mills would work perhaps
18:48:55  <Stablean> <Mks> but no fun :)
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18:59:38  <Stablean> <Mks> mm with my test design I would be able to with 17 plattforms
18:59:44  <Stablean> <Mks> but not sure how good that would work
18:59:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> test it :P
19:07:09  <Stablean> <Mks> mm doesn't seem trains wana go to the behind plattform
19:07:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can you inject more
19:07:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
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19:09:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and extra pbs
19:10:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or entry and exit signals
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19:30:28  <Stablean> <Mks> trying another design
19:31:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you dont need those bridges
19:32:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and more signals, trains are waiting for a free path
19:35:48  <Stablean> <Mks> might work but not sure if it works with a high load
19:38:43  <Stablean> <Mks> I will do a 5 platform test
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19:50:42  <Stablean> <Mks> mm you built your own test station? :P
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19:50:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> copied yours
19:51:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but with the pbs signals i sugested
19:51:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and slightly longer
19:51:15  <Stablean> <Mks> well I have a live version at the steel mill now
19:51:21  <Stablean> <Mks> it uses pre signals
19:51:57  <Stablean> <Mks> only 5 track tho won't rebuild the rest
19:52:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> of those 5 tracks, only 3 are occupied at any given time
19:52:37  <Stablean> <Mks> I did change the desing somewhat and the new one seem to work quite well
19:52:51  <Stablean> <Mks> well mostly due to lack of trains
19:53:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well 4 sometimes
19:53:47  <Stablean> <Mks> even seen 5
19:53:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes itworks
19:54:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you can handle your steel, thats whats it about
19:54:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 5 now
19:55:40  <Stablean> <Mks> with higher station spread its easier to build a better station
19:55:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, much easier
19:56:00  <V453000> dont blame station spread :)
19:56:13  <Stablean> <Mks> its always station spreads fault :)
19:56:32  <V453000> sure
19:56:44  <Stablean> <Combuster> Lets blame the devs for everything :)
19:56:53  <Stablean> <Mks> well 10 plattforms wasn't enough at the loading station
19:57:06  <Stablean> <Mks> and since I use TL 3 I need more plattforms
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19:57:50  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
19:57:52  <Stablean> <Mks> I do have 12 now
19:57:54  <Stablean> <Combuster> Hi V
19:58:02  <Stablean> <V453000> hi Combuster :) what are you doing here :)
19:58:17  <Stablean> <Combuster> Checking this place out :)
19:58:26  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
19:58:28  <Stablean> <Mks> biggest concenr now is drop off can't keep up
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20:00:24  <Stablean> <Mks> is there anyway to increase unload speed of a train?
20:00:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> not that i know
20:01:03  <Stablean> <Combuster> different railtype?
20:01:48  <Stablean> <Mks> what railtype unload fastest?
20:02:20  <planetmaker> it's a train property. Not a railtype property
20:02:34  <planetmaker> defined by the vehicle newgrf.
20:02:39  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
20:03:07  <planetmaker> </voice from the off :-P >
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20:27:44  <Stablean> <Combuster> judgement day...?
20:28:07  <Stablean> <Combuster> :P
20:28:45  <Stablean> <Combuster> Hmm, I expected V45300 to be a bit higher than halfway...
20:30:08  <V453000> ?
20:30:33  <V453000> oh you mean the tarded performance rating :D
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