Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 28th May 2011:
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02:45:36  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> You there?
03:23:54  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo ... woken up again :-) ... and big thanks again for the bank
03:24:09  <Stablean> <Anson> currently upgrading trucks to new speed
03:26:07  <Stablean> <Anson> i just wanted to fund a second bank, just in case ... but i am told that banks can only be built in towns ?
03:26:50  <Stablean> <Anson> 1942 people in Komori, and a bank too, and then i can't fund a bank since it is no town ?
03:31:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> soz was brb
03:31:49  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Erm basically that means it needs to be in the centre of the town/city
03:32:01  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> So the bigger the city the more banks you can fit
03:33:25  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Doing a small upgrade on RV's (only 2mph boost in speed)
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03:48:59  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, anonymous player ... can you please select a name ?
03:49:15  <Stablean> <Player> oh yeah, sorry
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03:50:00  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, forgetting a name also happens to famous people like you ? :-)
03:50:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> sometimes :)
03:51:08  <Stablean> <Anson> do you have a hint how to make banks more stable ?
03:51:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> banks?
03:51:25  <Stablean> <Anson> it already happened 4 or 5 times in this game that my bank died
03:51:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> do they close on you?
03:51:42  <Stablean> <Anson> exactly
03:51:54  <Stablean> <Anson> and they get around 500+ bags each month
03:52:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm gonna deploy my first trains, then look around
03:52:45  <Stablean> <Anson> seems that town reconstruction doesn't pay attention to banks and they are replaced by appartments or whatever quite often
03:57:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm
03:57:24  <Stablean> <Sylf>
03:57:25  <Webster> Title: Transport Tycoon Forums View topic - OpenGFX+ Industries (at
03:57:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> Looks like it's still an unsolved issue
04:06:32  <Stablean> <Anson> at least there are a few nice people who help by funding new banks when an important old one dies
04:07:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> In the mean time, we should disable valuable/gold/diamonds cargo with ogfx+ industries games until it's fixed
04:09:21  <Stablean> <Anson> it's always the same : it is more important to know about a problem than to solve it :-)
04:09:50  <Stablean> <Anson> when it is known, good money can be made from valuables "on your own risk"
04:10:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> :p
04:10:48  <Stablean> <Anson> my whole network is 5 stations and one bank ... earning 30k$ from each truckload :-)
04:25:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> ouch... that red's jam is pretty bad
04:25:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> bad orders at one station
04:34:20  <Stablean> <Anson> "regearing cargo" ??? never heard of that
04:34:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's not a real cargo
04:35:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> You know how NARS has the locomotives that has regearing feature?
04:35:22  <Stablean> <Anson> no idea
04:35:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> Which lets you change a loco's top speed and tractive effort
04:35:42  <Stablean> <Anson> i only recently started playing online, and solo on my comp, i didn't use grfs
04:36:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> well' there's that feature with NARS train set
04:36:35  <Stablean> <Anson> easy trap if you don't know that .. fast new train, replace the old and then be stuck with such a command
04:36:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> and that "regearing" is done using the train's  refit option
04:36:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> so that "regearing" is treated like a type of cargo
04:37:09  <Stablean> <Anson> but when i ctrl-click a station, the order automatically reads "full load any cargo" :-)
04:37:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> the thing is, he has "Full load any cargo" for all other trains
04:38:28  <Stablean> <Anson> it also looks as if he doesn't know what shared orders are ?
04:38:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh
04:38:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's an ouch
04:39:06  <Stablean> <Anson> i only checked the first three trains ... same orders but not shared
04:39:22  <Stablean> <Anson> and they are also not non-stop
04:39:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh well
04:42:59  <Stablean> <Anson> is there an option in game concerning shared orders that i can easily split 100 shared trucks into two groups of 50 ? :-)
04:43:21  <Stablean> <Sylf> I don't think so
04:43:39  <Stablean> <Anson> i had too many on one station and had to give new orders to 50 :-(
04:44:01  <Stablean> <Anson> at least, there is a shortcut of "ctrl- click train" to copy orders
04:44:08  <Stablean> <Sylf> yup
04:44:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> and it's been made easier in version 1.1 compared to 1.0
04:50:10  <Stablean> <Anson> what changed in 1.1 ?
04:50:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> like, you can ctrl-click on the trains in any train list windows for sharing orders or copying trains
04:51:35  <Stablean> <Anson> ah yes, that was very annoying before, to see trains and need to use a different window for clicking on it
04:52:25  <Stablean> <Anson> a smiliar improvement couild be made to the window for shared orders
04:52:39  <Stablean> <Anson> that window has the option to "manage list"
04:53:12  <Stablean> <Anson> but in contrast to the mein truck list, it has only send to depot/maintenance, and no autoreplace
04:53:55  <Stablean> <Anson> thus i need to first make a group in the main truck list, add all shared vehicles, and then can autoreplace
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09:32:31  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
09:32:38  <Stablean> <Derk> Hoi!
09:32:40  <Stablean> <Anson> how do i fund a bank ?
09:32:52  <Stablean> <Anson> i always get "can only be built in towns"
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09:34:47  <TWerkhoven> i believe town needs to be a certain size
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09:38:28  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> hi
09:38:38  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
09:38:48  <Stablean> <Anson> do you know how i can fund a bank ?
09:38:59  <Stablean> <Anson> i always get "can only be built in towns" :-(
09:39:09  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> in town
09:39:43  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> in Aoharai City
09:40:09  <Stablean> <Anson> in Komori
09:40:20  <Stablean> <Anson> i have a big route there, and the bank already dies three times
09:40:54  <Stablean> <Anson> every few hours, the game rebuilds something and deletes the bank to do so :-(
09:41:28  <Stablean> <Anson> the same would happen in other towns too ... and i don't want to start a new route
09:42:34  <Stablean> <Anson> there was a bank there a few times, the towns is now 4x as big, but rebuilding town always deletes it
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09:43:05  <Stablean> <Anson> i probably ned to fund it near the center, but how can i see where that is ? and do i have to delete some buildings there first ?
09:43:36  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> centre is where the townname is
09:43:52  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> and the streets have pavement with streetlights
09:44:38  <Stablean> <Anson> i clicked "fund" on every tile +-3 from the townname
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09:45:30  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> try building on top of existing buildings, without demolishing them?
09:45:44  <Stablean> <Anson> i think the old bank was directly next to the K in the townname Komori, but the town built something there ... do i need to delete that first ?
09:45:56  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> no don't remove anything
09:46:14  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> it gives me the must build in town thing on any unoccupied tile
09:46:26  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> but not enough money when i try it on an existing town-building
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09:46:38  <Stablean> <Anson> directly above the word Komori, i get the message "can't construct this indistry type here
09:46:48  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> what about below?
09:47:57  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, now it worked
09:48:27  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> lol
09:48:45  <Stablean> <Anson> it has to be built on top of existing buildings, and with correct slope (none :-) and at correct place (3 tiles from townname)
09:49:15  <Stablean> <Anson> want to watch something funny now ?
09:49:23  <TWerkhoven> distance is relative to townspread
09:49:26  <TWerkhoven> sure
09:49:31  <Stablean> <Anson> i will release 200 trains in Komori now , from the depot :-)
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09:51:59  <Stablean> <Anson> currently only 3k$ per truck since they were in the depot for 10 years :-)
09:52:13  <Stablean> <Anson> normal pay is 22k$ to 30k$ each
09:52:32  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> whoah
09:52:51  <Stablean> <Anson> one delivery takes almost a year ....
09:53:21  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> why are they going to aogami?
09:55:18  <Stablean> <Anson> i once had planned to build a bank there
09:55:49  <Stablean> <Anson> thus i had the road ... but now it must have been pure luck that one took a wrong turn when the station was full
09:56:48  <Stablean> <Anson> they seem to take the long route to start queuing from the opposite site in the same station
09:57:42  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> mebbe build a shortcut?
09:57:45  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, the depot is still half filled with trucks
09:57:59  <Stablean> <Anson> in normal play, it doesn't happenm
09:58:09  <Stablean> <Anson> they queue and unload
09:58:15  <Stablean> <TWerkhoven> i think the old ones are auto-renewing themselves
09:58:34  <Stablean> <Anson> but when 200 try to unload from the opposite side after having gone and stopped in the depot .........
09:58:57  <Stablean> <Anson> of course ... after 10 years in the depot, they are a bit old :-)
10:01:37  <Stablean> <Anson> while i was waiting to fund the bank, i reorganized all my mines, with big slow trucks at first, and then the fast ones for long distance ...
10:01:56  <Stablean> <Anson> i hope it works like expected with the transfer stations for trucks :-)
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10:03:26  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, the last truck is leaving the komori depot NOW :-)
10:05:02  <TWerkhoven> :)
10:06:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate traffic laws for trucks (only ingame, else i hate the truck drivers who don't care for traffic laws :-)
10:06:32  <Stablean> <Anson> no overtaking in tunnels, not on bridges, not by long vehicles, not in corners, not at intersections ....
10:07:17  <TWerkhoven> only motorbikes and some cars overtake on corners, especially 90 degree ones
10:09:18  <Stablean> <Anson> did you see the mess at Nagasaki Mines ?
10:09:37  <TWerkhoven> no
10:10:03  <Stablean> <Anson> two trains are waiting for "regearing" goods ... and block the whole net
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10:18:34  <TWerkhoven> so i see
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11:40:42  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
11:40:48  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
11:41:03  <Stablean> <Anson> i am just done with setting up my trucks ... have to go AFK a bit ... 300 now :-)
11:41:22  <Stablean> <Anson> need 250 for 5 mines :-)
11:42:08  <Stablean> <V453000> still not enough to make any interesting station :(
11:43:28  <Stablean> <V453000> IMO RVs on larger map than 256x256 is nonsense
11:43:31  <Stablean> <V453000> or on larger area than that
11:44:05  <Stablean> <V453000> because this way you reach like 700 vehicles, it lags, but you need just quite poor stations because they still arent stressed enough
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12:20:28  <V453000> !date
12:20:28  <Stablean> V453000: 18 Feb 2103
12:20:30  <V453000> want to reset the game?
12:24:31  <TWerkhoven> i don't see much being added myself, though anson seems to enjoy it with his trucks
12:25:02  <V453000> he doesnt say anything ...
12:25:58  <TWerkhoven> he who doesn't answer agrees?
12:27:03  <V453000> he who doesnt answer either isnt there or doesnt care :p
12:27:15  <TWerkhoven> close enough
12:36:06  <V453000> I will make a map, that will take some time, then we can talk again :P
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12:39:51  <Stablean> <tom> afternoon
12:41:02  <TWerkhoven> ola
12:41:37  <Stablean> <tom> god damn trains
12:42:07  <Stablean> <tom> didn't knwo that they took passengers as well so i had a massive jam for ages becasue of train trying to collect passengers from a mine
12:42:51  <TWerkhoven> and regearing?
12:43:10  <TWerkhoven> always use full load any as opposed to full load
12:43:16  <Stablean> <Anson> i was called away for RL matters ... back now, and saved that crazy truck net
12:43:17  <TWerkhoven> thatll stop that from happening by accident
12:43:18  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i totally forgot
12:44:00  <Stablean> <tom> guess i will just have to learn on what happened this game in the new game
12:44:57  <Stablean> <Anson> who said that there are o interesting truck stations possible ? ... i just had a first try
12:45:37  <Stablean> <Anson> it's not so easy to use trucks for a transfer network and not get delivery and pickup blocking each other
12:46:45  <Stablean> <tom> damn i have obsolete stations now
12:47:20  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, best to start over instead of fixing that
12:47:26  <Stablean> <tom> yeah
12:47:36  <Stablean> <tom> bit too far on in the game to restart now though
12:47:54  <Stablean> <Anson> a method to easily fix lots of trains : don't copy the trains only, but also share orders
12:48:08  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i saw the signs :P
12:48:14  <Stablean> <Anson> when you change the order or any of those trains, all trains will have the new order list
12:48:59  <Stablean> <Anson> and creating shared orders is easy ... you know how ?
12:49:21  <Stablean> <tom> yeah go into the orders menu and go to the drop down menu where it says goto and click  share orders
12:49:51  <Stablean> <tom> i need to toally remove all of my rail network and start over
12:50:05  <V453000> reset coming in like 15 minutes
12:50:10  <Stablean> <tom> ahh ok
12:50:18  <Stablean> <Anson> clone train in a depot, or copy while the train is in a depot, both will copy when clicked, and create shared orders when ctrl-clicked
12:50:40  <Stablean> <tom> ahh so if you clone train and then Ctrl click another train it will share their orders
12:50:51  <Stablean> <Anson> yes
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12:51:29  <Stablean> <Anson> you also can select "goto" in the train orders and click on another train ... same effect : copy without ctrl, and ahared orders with ctrl
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12:52:34  <Stablean> <tom> think im just gonna send all my trains to the depot and sell em then blow my crap up :P
12:53:03  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to keep money, yes
12:53:17  <Stablean> <tom> well i have 83 mil to work with atm
12:53:27  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to delete everything, buy a ship ... running costs will bancrupt you in 2 or 3 seconds
12:53:48  <Stablean> <tom> think i'll just sell everything then blow it up :P
12:54:03  <Stablean> <Anson> V said that restart will come in 15 minutes ... should be 10 now ... no use in cleaning something up here
12:54:09  <Stablean> <tom> that true
12:54:35  <Stablean> <tom> just gonna have to make my networks cleaner next time :P
12:54:42  <Stablean> <tom> and claim more things quickly
12:54:48  <Stablean> <tom> might do pax for a bi
12:54:50  <Stablean> <tom> bit*
12:55:17  <Stablean> <Anson> after you just left, i had one more method to create shared orders
12:55:31  <Stablean> <tom> yeah sorry my laptop kinda crashes on this game sometimes
12:55:45  <Stablean> <Anson> select "go to" in the train orders and click another train : without ctrl copy, with ctrl shared orders
12:56:11  <Stablean> <tom> so if you select goto and click another train with ctrl they share orders
12:56:29  <Stablean> <Anson> there is also an option in the advanced setting which can make all orders non-stop by default
12:56:47  <Stablean> <tom> no sure if i want them all nonstop though
12:57:03  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, goto train, goto depot, goto station ... lots of options :-)
12:57:22  <Stablean> <Anson> most of the time, it is best to have non-stop
12:57:44  <Stablean> <Anson> if a train is running wild/lost, he doesn't try to stop everywhere
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12:58:03  <Stablean> <Anson> that also avoids picking up cargo at wrong places, etc
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12:59:04  <Stablean> <tom> seems my laptop can't handle more than one thing at once :/
12:59:10  <Stablean> <Anson> another hint which i learned myself only yesterday : cargo delivery not only by going to a station, but also saying "no loading"
12:59:25  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i saw that on v's trains
12:59:27  <Stablean> <Anson> else a new resource might appear next to a drop station
12:59:28  <V453000> tom: no surprise with almost 1000 road vehicles
12:59:29  <Stablean> <tom> i did it for a few
12:59:54  <Stablean> <tom> hah 1000 road vehicles bloody hell
13:00:05  <Stablean> <tom> it runs ok for a while
13:00:12  <Stablean> <tom> then just lags me out alot
13:00:27  <Stablean> <Anson> the new resource would be picked up by your drop train, and after a full tour around the map it can't drop it because that would be the same station where it got it
13:00:34  <V453000> ok, I am ready to reset
13:00:40  <Stablean> <tom> i also notice people having more than one bridge or tunnle
13:00:52  <Stablean> <Anson> a last look at my truck transfer station ?
13:00:58  <Stablean> <Anson> else you can reset
13:01:08  <V453000> !content
13:01:08  <Stablean> V453000: Connection established
13:01:12  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
13:01:12  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
13:01:13  <V453000> !content
13:01:15  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
13:01:17  <Stablean> V453000: Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
13:01:18  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
13:01:20  <V453000> ok, back in a minute
13:01:23  <V453000> !restart
13:01:23  <Stablean> Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
13:01:38  <Stablean> <Anson> a track has signals every 2 or 3 tiles
13:01:41  <Stablean> <tom> thats alot of trucks lol
13:01:51  <Stablean> <Anson> on a bridge or tunnel, it is much more distant
13:01:54  <Stablean> <tom> yeah
13:02:00  <Stablean> <Anson> to compensate, people use parallel tracks
13:02:01  <Stablean> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely
13:02:01  <Stablean> Thank you for playing 1.1.1-RC1.
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13:02:24  <Stablean> V450000000000, now you can execute !-commands ;-)
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13:02:50  <Stablean> <Anson> still the old game ?
13:02:50  <Stablean> <tom> hmm
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13:03:24  <Stablean> <V453000> have fun :p
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13:03:42  <Stablean> <tom> yay :P
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13:04:45  <Stablean> <tom> think i'll start with copper
13:04:55  <Stablean> <V453000> I found some oil here :)
13:05:21  <Stablean> <tom> imma get a factory quickly
13:06:12  <Stablean> <Anson> what are aircraft and ship prices ???
13:06:26  <Stablean> <Anson> i assume the usual : unpayable running costs ?
13:06:32  <Stablean> <V453000> ofc
13:07:10  <Stablean> <Anson> and why are there always aviator and apache GRFs ???
13:07:16  <Stablean> <V453000> why not
13:07:24  <Stablean> <tom> people might have more money than sense
13:07:26  <Stablean> <V453000> or, what else would you use
13:07:54  <Stablean> <Anson> just drop the two rfs, and have more free memory ? :-)
13:08:06  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
13:08:22  <Stablean> <Anson> i think the grfs cost memory and minimal cpu ?
13:08:45  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:09:38  <Stablean> <Anson> all the different station tiles are eye candy, but the aviator grf only causes lots of messages for new planes
13:09:44  <Stablean> <tom> ahh more new trains
13:09:50  <Stablean> <tom> this is gonna confuse me bad lol
13:10:29  <Stablean> <V453000> well, simply put - if someone uses aircraft here, it is sheerly for eyecandy purposes. And av8 definitely gives better variety and much nicer planes than the original set
13:11:41  <Stablean> <Anson> on another game (when i didn't know yet about the prices) i bought a cheap ship and was bacrup 1 tick later
13:11:57  <Stablean> <tom> nice :P
13:12:15  <Stablean> <Anson> plane running costs were around 200 mio per month ... i don't think anybody can earn that much ?!
13:12:25  <Stablean> <V453000> you can
13:13:00  <Stablean> <Anson> would be nice if the cost to buy them would be a bit higher too, so that you don't accidentally buy one
13:13:23  <Stablean> <V453000> no
13:13:39  <Stablean> <V453000> would need to be higher than 500k that way
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13:14:47  <Stablean> <tom> what is the point in buying a train that can go faster thanthe speed limit on the rails you have lol
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13:15:50  <Stablean> <V453000> dont ask me :) you bought it
13:15:56  <Stablean> <tom> i didn't :P
13:15:56  <Stablean> <V453000> I did too, but I am not asking :P
13:16:02  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :P
13:16:09  <Stablean> <tom> i was just wondering why we can buy it if we don't even have the rails for it
13:16:26  <Stablean> <V453000> to slow it down
13:16:38  <Stablean> <V453000> so you dont have fast trains from the early years
13:16:54  <Stablean> <V453000> it isnt visible now, but later on when fast steamers like 180kmh come out, it is retarded
13:17:00  <Stablean> <V453000> so tracks will cut it down :)
13:17:20  <Stablean> <tom> ahh ok
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13:17:48  <Stablean> <V453000> you might say it is not fun to have slower trains, but I think it is utterly boring to get a train in 1930 that you use until 2030
13:17:54  <Stablean> <tom> haha
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13:17:58  <Stablean> <tom> you got a poin
13:18:04  <Stablean> <V453000> and the slower tracks give more room for you to choose that way
13:18:06  <Stablean> <tom> i just hate the upgrading stage
13:18:13  <Stablean> <V453000> build better depots :p
13:18:30  <Stablean> <tom> its also a shame the industrial stations don't have a rubber station
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13:19:25  <Stablean> <Anson> how dos "train planning" work ?
13:19:27  <Stablean> <tom> yay for 500k loans :P
13:19:31  <Stablean> <Anson> like "buy land" ?
13:19:35  <Stablean> <tom> plan out your tracks
13:19:38  <Stablean> <V453000> Anson: just tracks that are for free
13:19:52  <Stablean> <tom> then upgrade em so that you can use em
13:19:55  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:20:12  <Stablean> <V453000> so you dont waste money on expensive tracks when you will rebuild a lot of it during construction
13:20:21  <Stablean> <V453000> or dont have cash at the moment :)
13:20:40  <Stablean> <Anson> shift drag "train planning" rails ... 10 tiles = 2000 $
13:21:08  <Stablean> <V453000> certainly less than for normal tracks :P
13:21:12  <Stablean> <V453000> and some costs are for land demolition
13:21:20  <Stablean> <V453000> not for track building :)
13:21:43  <Stablean> <Anson> 10% less than low speed tracks
13:22:23  <Stablean> <V453000> yes it probably takes main effect when the track prices are higher
13:22:54  <Stablean> <tom> wow why are these trains going so slowly up this hill
13:23:06  <Stablean> <V453000> it is 1901 dude :)
13:23:15  <Stablean> <tom> its 1km/h
13:23:20  <Stablean> <V453000>  OH :D you sent it right towards a full hill :d
13:23:32  <Stablean> <tom> my bad lol
13:23:39  <Stablean> <tom> cant terraform it though
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13:23:54  <V453000> go around the hill?
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13:24:06  <Stablean> <tom> i am now :P
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13:25:49  <Stablean> <V453000> you should build with nature from the start :P
13:25:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> mmm CHIPs
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13:30:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> shit forgot to refit
13:32:05  <Stablean> <tom> why have my trains just stopped
13:32:21  <Stablean> <V453000> bad signalling
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14:00:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why build a line that close to me
14:00:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and then leave?
14:00:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :'(
14:00:55  <Stablean> <tom> he built a massive one
14:00:57  <Stablean> <V453000> bankruptcy I suppose
14:01:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> aah nice
14:01:10  <Stablean> <V453000> yep
14:01:18  <Stablean> <V453000> he might not die though
14:01:28  <Stablean> <V453000> hm, he will
14:01:30  <Stablean> <tom> wow V your network is big
14:05:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I might buy green
14:06:02  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so I can use his line
14:06:34  <Stablean> <V453000> cant say I would be interested in that :D
14:06:51  <Stablean> <tom> nor me it goes to the totally wrong place for me
14:06:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no but it would benefit me
14:07:14  <Stablean> <tom> why he built such a long line i have no idea
14:07:32  <Stablean> <V453000> more profit I guess
14:07:44  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i think he was doing pax though
14:07:56  <Stablean> <tom> ahh it was a food line
14:08:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok not buying green
14:08:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not worth it
14:08:35  <Stablean> <tom> thats a stupid amount of money for it
14:10:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just die already
14:10:24  <Stablean> <tom> is there no way of forcing it to die
14:10:30  <Stablean> <V453000> there is one
14:10:50  <Stablean> <tom> i'll join it and stop all his stuff
14:10:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> buy it
14:10:50  <Stablean> *** tom has joined company #3
14:10:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
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14:12:49  <Stablean> <tom> damn you took the mines
14:13:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
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14:14:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ran out of money
14:14:18  <Stablean> <tom> this first part is the worst part of the game
14:14:24  <Stablean> <tom> you never have enough money
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14:15:12  <Chris_Booth_> wow bad connection for me
14:16:58  <Stablean> <Anson> true ... the first part is the worst ... everybody has nice (or not so nice) networks, while i still am exploring which trains there are :-)
14:17:16  <Stablean> <tom> yeah V has managed to do really well
14:17:40  <Stablean> <Anson> i always am looking for a nice ML which cuts through the whole continent :-)
14:17:55  <Stablean> <Anson> but that takes much too long, and everybody else already makes money
14:17:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why?
14:18:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why have such a long useless line?
14:18:25  <Stablean> <Anson> when i finally have found a place for a ML, i can't afford it and have to start with some crappy small tracks
14:19:20  <Stablean> <Anson> in TT (not even TTD :-) i started playing by creating a big ring around the map and letting thetrains do the work
14:19:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thats not a bad idea
14:19:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I quite often use rings
14:19:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> both one way and 2 ways
14:19:55  <Stablean> <Anson> now i want to do it more organized, but planning takes too long ... maybe next year, i'll see good locations faster and also know the trains and tracks
14:20:14  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i always find it hard to find a decent location
14:21:03  <Stablean> <Anson> and when i start looking at all the different stations and want to build nice stations too, it takes ages to do something
14:21:27  <Stablean> <tom> kinda need to look through everything in single player before a multiplayer game
14:21:48  <Stablean> <V453000> do you need to compete or play for fun? :)
14:22:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I like to play for fun
14:22:08  <Stablean> <tom> same :P
14:22:19  <Stablean> <tom> though i still need to work out the exit entry and combo signals
14:22:21  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am only in MM at the moment
14:22:23  <Stablean> <V453000> no need to check things before the actual game then :P
14:22:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so I can make the network I want
14:22:57  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i like to play for fun but i also like to know what i am playing with
14:24:04  <Stablean> <V453000> I wanted to do something special, but it is kinda getting out of hand :D
14:24:10  <Stablean> <V453000> probably next time :)
14:24:18  <Stablean> <tom> i never understand your networks lol
14:24:33  <Stablean> <tom> the train logic gate stuff and all that confuses the hell out of me
14:24:43  <Stablean> <V453000> because you cant use signals
14:24:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what was your plan V453000?
14:24:48  <Stablean> <tom> exactly
14:24:54  <Stablean> <V453000> just some mess
14:25:26  <Stablean> <tom> brb im hungry
14:25:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> kk
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14:27:19  <Chris_Booth_> I have a worse connection than you today V453000
14:27:28  <Stablean> <V453000> that is rare
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14:28:06  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> note it down
14:28:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am getting some major IRC lag
14:32:34  <Stablean> <tom> why do you have a diagonal piece of track at the entrance to your stations V?
14:32:40  <Stablean> <V453000> mystery
14:32:47  <Stablean> <V453000> dont bother with that
14:32:59  <Stablean> <tom> ok
14:33:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its needed if you use block signals
14:33:14  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> to stop lost trains getting stuck
14:33:22  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i still need to learn how to use them
14:33:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just use PBS then you don't need it
14:33:49  <Stablean> <tom> yeah i use pbs now
14:35:34  <Stablean> <tom> which is better though pbs or block signals
14:35:44  <Stablean> <V453000> block
14:35:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> block is more flexable
14:36:00  <Stablean> <V453000> PBS is D.U.M.B.
14:36:09  <Stablean> <tom> so sooner or later i will have to learn how to use em anyway
14:36:19  <Stablean> <V453000> not if you dont try :p
14:36:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> V453000: you calling me dumb?
14:36:44  <Stablean> <tom> yeah but i'd rather learn how to use em and get better at the game
14:36:46  <Stablean> <Anson> PBS is easier to build ... put down one PBS signal and the game does the rest ... but of course not optimally
14:36:46  <Stablean> <V453000> I am calling signals dumb not anyone dumb
14:37:05  <Stablean> <tom> rather than just using pbs all the time
14:37:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> with 2 platform terminus I think PBS is fine
14:37:41  <Stablean> <tom> well i use pbs on more than 2 platforms and it work alright
14:37:41  <Stablean> <Anson> PBS is also fine for dual depots etc
14:37:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no it isn't
14:38:01  <Stablean> <V453000> depends on depots
14:38:03  <Stablean> <V453000> but mostly isnt
14:38:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you should never have depots on your main line that can be access
14:38:21  <Stablean> <Anson> one track with two depots to make one train enter while the other leaves
14:39:19  <Stablean> <Anson> private urgent call to leave the comp ... AFK again now
14:39:23  <Stablean> <tom> well i'll learn how to use block signals another day for now i'll stick with pbs
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14:46:56  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
14:47:09  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> my connection sucks today!
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15:10:21  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> TL4 Edwardian is still rubish @ 99km/h
15:10:35  <Stablean> <V453000> bad acceleration?
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15:30:24  <Stablean> <V453000> btw you saw how do the nutracks 1.1.0 look?
15:30:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
15:30:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> are they ugly?
15:30:51  <Stablean> <V453000> fuck-ugly
15:30:57  <Stablean> <V453000> really, incredible
15:31:23  <Stablean> <V453000> I had to browse through my savegames to see which one has the 1.0.0 to be able to add it here
15:31:29  <Stablean> <V453000> because the 1.1.0 is SO bad
15:31:41  <Stablean> <V453000> the rails look like long grey shit
15:32:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> did you tell djnekkid?
15:33:06  <Stablean> <V453000> not yet
15:34:24  <Ammler> V453000: you should rather write it on the forums
15:34:40  <Ammler> but try to use other words :-)
15:34:56  <Stablean> <V453000> it is the objective description, cant use other
15:36:16  <Ammler> V453000: there is also a setting so you can list different versions
15:36:31  <V453000> is there? :o
15:36:32  <Ammler> and don't need to search for old saves :-P
15:36:42  <V453000> what is that one?
15:36:47  <Ammler> !rcon list_settings version
15:36:47  <Stablean> Ammler: CmdBuildSingleSignal      Chris Booth  date:1911-04-15  tile:0000DE75  p1:0000500B p2:00000000 text: price:0
15:36:47  <Stablean> Ammler: All settings with their current value:
15:36:47  <Stablean> Ammler: gui.newgrf_show_old_versions = off
15:36:47  <Stablean> Ammler: Use 'setting' command to change a value
15:36:57  <V453000> ohhh
15:37:04  <V453000> thanks, quite helpful
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15:37:42  <V453000> ha, that thing isnt in the config either, need to add it
15:38:06  <Ammler> are you sure? section [gui]
15:38:56  <V453000> ofc it was there.. :D
15:39:15  <V453000> me dumb searched for the thing with gui.*
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15:45:42  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hey hey
15:45:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi
15:46:07  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Is there a way i can d/l the previous game?
15:46:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> get it from auto saves
15:46:45  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oki
15:47:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you want a link to autosave?
15:47:07  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Im not on irc
15:47:23  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> 1 min
15:47:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then join IRC
15:47:35  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> I am... :)
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15:48:02  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Done
15:48:19  <Chris_Booth> hhhm doesn't look like they are made on this server
15:48:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :/
15:48:58  <Chris_Booth> !ip
15:48:58  <Stablean> Chris_Booth:
15:49:01  <MrD2DG> I'm sure somone linked me to a game save on welcome server before...
15:50:01  <Chris_Booth> well MrD2DG
15:50:08  <Chris_Booth> thats the autosave directory
15:50:13  <Chris_Booth> but it is very empty
15:50:33  <MrD2DG> :/ Well i have a save from yesterday so its okay
15:50:43  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> WTH is up with the town names...
15:50:53  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> German and English mixed?
15:51:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no south african
15:51:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so dutch/english
15:51:19  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oooh
15:51:26  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Anyway afk for about 10 mins
15:51:38  <KenjiE20>
15:51:45  <KenjiE20> <3 grep
15:52:27  <Chris_Booth> strange that it is on mz. not stable.
15:52:34  <Chris_Booth> must have moved
15:53:57  <KenjiE20> it's on stable. too
15:54:01  <Ammler> :-)
15:54:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then I got the address wrong :P
15:54:17  <Ammler> stable is on mz
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15:55:02  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the Train Length is so fucking broken
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15:55:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> my trains say they are 4.0
15:55:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes don't fit in 4 tiles What the hell?
15:56:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check train 44
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15:58:13  <Stablean> <V453000> interesting
15:58:24  <Stablean> <V453000> but certainly broken as fuck
15:58:35  <Stablean> <V453000> report it :)
15:58:38  <Chris_Booth> I know is it UKRS error or Openttd?
15:58:49  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think it is UKRS
15:59:05  <Stablean> <V453000> because a similar problem with counters happened last game with NARS and japanset
15:59:36  <Stablean> <V453000> true that they fit in stations there at least
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16:02:17  <Chris_Booth> they don't here
16:03:47  <Stablean> <V453000> I know
16:03:57  <Stablean> <V453000> but still
16:04:07  <Stablean> <V453000>  I would expect that there is something bad in the counting system
16:04:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bug reported
16:04:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> back to Good 0-6-0
16:05:12  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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16:08:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am going now
16:08:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> BBL
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16:09:08  <Chris_Booth> how long until I get massages for my fly spray
16:09:22  <Stablean> <V453000> no clue
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16:25:35  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Bk
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16:25:59  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> @Green  company you do realise trains cant run on PLANNING track?
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16:27:13  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> brb
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18:15:45  <Stablean> <Player> morning
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18:16:19  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, anonymous player from the other side of the earth :-)
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18:16:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> :p
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18:23:30  <Stablean> <Anson> how do you build so fast ? lots of experience and some tricks ?
18:23:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> ?
18:23:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> is it that fast?
18:23:58  <Stablean> <Anson> zooming the map to build straight lines, no matter what the cost and landscape, and later do the details ?
18:24:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> yup, pretty much
18:24:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> but this time, I tried to avoid any farm lands
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18:24:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's about it
18:24:41  <Stablean> <Anson> i am building a long track myself ... and while i did two large screens, you started and were done ....
18:24:49  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi all
18:25:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> heya Chris
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19:16:42  <Stablean> <Anson> ARGS
19:16:52  <Stablean> <Alfred> aie aie......
19:17:18  <Stablean> <Anson> i changed signals, and when i saw a problem coming, i tried to hit the pause button ... too much solo play :-(
19:28:17  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
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19:28:25  <Stablean> <Alfred> hello
19:41:47  <Stablean> <Alfred> bye bye
19:41:51  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
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19:44:45  <Stablean> <V453000> hm, faster tracks should be coming soon I think
19:45:41  <Chris_Booth> eRail would be nice
19:45:47  <Stablean> <V453000> there is
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19:47:22  <Stablean> <Anson> too bad when you have to decide whether you want slower electric rails or faster non-electric rails
19:47:41  <Stablean> <V453000> particularly problematic with 99kmh rails :p
19:47:48  <Stablean> <Anson> or is it possible to drive fast on some tracks with steam and slower with electricity ?
19:48:10  <Stablean> <V453000> no, same limit for all trains
19:49:38  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate electric rails anyway ... have problems seeing the signals and with the electric posts, signal posts are even harder to be seen easily
19:49:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then press x
19:50:38  <Stablean> <V453000> no problems here
19:50:40  <Stablean> <Anson> args ... messed up my transparency settings :-(
19:51:01  <Stablean> <Anson> hadn't noticed that there was one for the electric rails too
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20:00:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> factory rebuid finaly finished
20:01:38  <Stablean> <Anson> ARGS
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20:02:04  <Stablean> <Anson> why did my rubber farm just disappear ?
20:02:27  <md_> it got bounced
20:02:32  <Stablean> <Anson> there are thre trains waiting at its station .... thus it should be serviced
20:02:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :D love it md
20:12:12  <Stablean> <V453000> 130 kmh without electric
20:12:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thats no good
20:17:29  <Stablean> <Anson> need to go AFK for a while ... CU
20:17:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bye bye
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20:35:30  <Stablean> <V453000> lightspeed
20:35:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what?
20:35:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :S
20:35:52  <Stablean> <V453000> 130:p
20:35:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so fast!
20:36:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 31km/h fater than me
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