Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 6th June 2012:
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00:02:17  <Stablean> <Mazth> loool made money
00:06:33  <Stablean> <Veix> what was that
00:06:36  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> 2051
00:06:48  <Stablean> <Mazth> the end of the world
00:10:42  <Stablean> <Mazth> lol that is going to be pbs choas
00:11:00  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> where
00:11:06  <Stablean> <Mazth> at the factory drop
00:11:32  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> i would just split entrance by 4+3
00:11:42  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> since they balance anyway
00:12:34  <Stablean> <Mazth> yh
00:14:44  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> or even 2 platforms for each entrance
00:16:42  <Stablean> <Mazth> should make more space to do things properly
00:17:20  <Stablean> <Mazth> lol lost a train in the tunnel
00:17:28  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> 38 mil for upgrading rails to best D:
00:17:31  <Stablean> <Mazth> can t ctrl click it :P
00:17:33  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> holy moly
00:17:48  <Stablean> <Mazth> I has to pay 63m
00:17:59  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> well my system is smaller
00:18:13  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> oh no
00:18:23  <Stablean> <Mazth> hmm 20m is max
00:18:29  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> yeah
00:18:39  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> thx
00:19:29  <Stablean> <Mazth> hmm still a lot of things amiss with the factory drop/pickup
00:20:02  <Stablean> <Mazth> pickup rly needs a overflow
00:20:59  <Stablean> <Mazth> let s find the lost train :P
00:21:13  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> stranded in dungeons?
00:21:27  <Stablean> <Mazth> yh he's playing diablo3
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00:33:40  <Stablean> <Mazth> off to sleep
00:33:42  <Stablean> <Mazth> nightnight!
00:33:44  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> bye
00:33:55  <Stablean> <Anson> g'n8
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00:35:10  <Mazur> Sweep lell.
00:37:33  <Mazth> oh I wril
00:37:40  <Mazth> ^^
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00:54:56  <BiG_MeEcH> night you ;)
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01:19:31  <BiG_MeEcH> how is everyones transport?
01:19:45  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> finally not bankrupting
01:19:47  <Stablean> <Cameron> good:)
01:20:09  <Stablean> <Phillip> good job
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03:06:49  <Stablean> <Phillip> Finally! I fixed the trains.
03:18:01  <BiG_MeEcH> yayyyyyyyyy
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04:35:00  <BiG_MeEcH> hi ACM
04:35:12  <Stablean> <ACM> Hi ho.
04:36:23  <Stablean> <ACM> I didn't notice until a couple months ago. But I found out you can't reverse engines with NARS in the current game version.
04:37:22  <Stablean> <ACM> That's kind of dissapointing if I want to play using NARS.
04:39:05  <Stablean> <ACM> "Lonely... I am so lonely..."
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05:37:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hello
05:37:36  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> рш
05:37:40  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> hi
05:37:42  <Stablean> <chester> hi Meech
05:37:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> velvet, you should really add a company password
05:38:02  <Stablean> <chester> Sleeper cyrillic kb?
05:38:16  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> yes
05:38:22  <Stablean> <chester> from?
05:38:25  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> Russia
05:38:31  <Stablean> <chester> me too
05:38:33  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> гы
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05:41:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi diablo
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05:41:33  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> and bye diablo..
05:41:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> would seem so
05:41:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Velvet ?
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05:42:55  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> no activity in last 2 years from him
05:44:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well velvet should add a password and he should stop buying land
05:44:40  <Stablean> <velvet> hello
05:44:44  <Stablean> <velvet> it was my mate
05:44:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he's alive
05:45:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Are you going to add a password to your company Velvet?
05:51:57  <Stablean> <velvet> no, i dont want to add a password
05:52:05  <Stablean> <chester> rob him
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06:06:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Velvet, dont make me add a password myself =P
06:07:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont want someone going into your company and ruining it and runing it for everyone
06:08:51  <Stablean> <Anson> OUCH
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06:15:17  <Stablean> <Anson> Velvet, why do you use two-way PBS everywhere ?
06:15:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> they wont do it the next game ;)
06:15:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well, I could enter the company and fix it
06:16:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> =D
06:19:11  <Stablean> <velvet> ?
06:19:15  <Stablean> <velvet> why crashes?
06:19:45  <Stablean> <Anson> when a train wants a route out of the station, it sees clear route until next signal
06:20:07  <Stablean> <Anson> from the other side, a train can still enter the same section when you use 2way PBS
06:20:53  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> hm i always use same thing, never crashed
06:21:19  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> ah maybe not exactly the same :D
06:21:29  <Stablean> <Anson> it has to do with timing ... 99% of the time, it will work ...
06:26:49  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the small sample track i built for demonstration .... a train at 1 wants to leave and sees a free route to 4
06:27:19  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> ah i see
06:27:58  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> this acts different?
06:29:13  <Stablean> <Anson> when you use 2way PBS, trains simply ignore the "backwards" signal
06:29:35  <Stablean> <chester> they count em for penalties
06:29:42  <Stablean> <Anson> thus a train from 3 would see a free route to 2, no problem
06:30:08  <Stablean> <Anson> but another train from the other side at 1 would see a free route until X only
06:30:44  <Stablean> <Anson> thus it would try to advance to X while the other tries to go from 3 to 2 ---> crash at X
06:31:42  <Stablean> <Anson> most of the time, the train from 3 to 2 would block the critical section and the other train would stop at 1 --> no problem
06:33:32  <Stablean> <Anson> 2way PBS should only be used when necessary, eg to speed up the exit of the stations like you do with the four signals (1 per platform)
06:34:19  <Stablean> <Anson> then no other trains can enter from a different path or platform and there will be no problems ... but when you put several 2way PBS in a row, it will become difficult and dangerous
06:35:25  <Stablean> <Anson> btw : on this server, usually there will be no maintenance needed ....
06:35:56  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> yeah i use those depots for making trains / autoreplace
06:41:37  <Stablean> <Anson> at the southern station, you only use 3 platforms ....
06:54:52  <Stablean> <Anson> 2way BPBS again : another danger from them if you use them everywhere ... if you reverse a train (eg to fix something), the train can go all the way back until it crashes with a following train
06:55:08  <Stablean> <velvet> ?
06:55:31  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> yes they boom if i reverse.. sometimes
06:55:43  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> when i want to get it back to missed path
06:56:13  <Stablean> <Anson> i just followed the track from the southern station and saw 2way PBS everywhere up to the sign 1way
06:56:35  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> oh lol
06:56:49  <Stablean> <Anson> thus a reversed train could go all the way back up to that signal and thus crash with other trains
06:57:28  <Stablean> <Anson> simply don't use 2way unless really needed and useful
06:58:10  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> velvet your maglev stopped because of missing track
06:58:16  <Stablean> <velvet> i know
06:58:22  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> ok
07:01:01  <Stablean> <Anson> you are lucky ... on this game, trains don't autoreverse when stuck :-)
07:01:27  <Stablean> <velvet> yes they do
07:01:42  <Stablean> <velvet> first one
07:02:01  <Stablean> <Anson> at !missing track, the train does NOT autoreverse
07:02:21  <Stablean> <Anson> else it would immediately crash into the following train because of the 2way PBS
07:02:28  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> autoreverse is disabled in settings
07:02:54  <Stablean> <Anson> that's what i said, and velvest commented "yes, they do"
07:03:12  <Stablean> <velvet> lol
07:03:26  <Stablean> <velvet> but i have to reverse them when they stuck
07:03:56  <Stablean> <Anson> when you manually do it, it is not "autoreverse" :-)
07:04:26  <Stablean> <Anson> anyway, it is dangerous to have an entire track across the map with 2way PBS
07:04:40  <Stablean> <velvet> it was not my idea
07:05:58  <Stablean> <velvet> the owner of Parcks and Recreation recommended it to me
07:06:44  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, just for fun: set a 2way PBS at the sign "1way" and remove a piece of the opposite track
07:07:02  <Stablean> <Anson> AFTER all but 1 train are sent to a depot !!!!
07:07:34  <Stablean> <Anson> then the remaining train should go back and forth on the single track, right through all 2way PBS
07:08:01  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> and murder thousands of people...
07:08:40  <Stablean> <Anson> no ... when all but one train are in a depot, they won't crash
07:08:55  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> if they have enough time to hide :D
07:12:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> PBS EVERYWHERE <3
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07:13:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Im going to pause the game for rom when he gets back
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07:14:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hurry and join =P
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07:14:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> shit
07:14:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> please dont get mad at me xD
07:15:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 1 more min for rom
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07:15:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> join your comp when youre here rom
07:15:18  <Stablean> <ROM5419> thanks
07:15:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ok here we go
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07:15:29  <Stablean> <Anson> good time to eat something and have a bio-break :-)
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07:15:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> just want the regulars to be able to play =)
07:15:57  <Stablean> <ROM5419> m boradband cant take it
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07:16:44  <Stablean> <ROM5419> pause for 15 secs im lagging
07:16:54  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> zoom in
07:18:07  <Stablean> <ROM5419> lagging stilll
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07:18:35  <Stablean> <ROM5419> pause so i can change my styeeings
07:18:45  <Stablean> <Player> a what?
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07:18:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> =[
07:19:15  <Stablean> <Player> Hey lads when is the restarting?
07:19:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sometime today probably
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07:19:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> =[[
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07:20:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> rejoin rommy!
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07:20:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you good Rom ?
07:20:53  <Stablean> <ROM5419> wait
07:20:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
07:21:10  <Stablean> <ROM5419> ok fire it up
07:21:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ppl already mad they cant build
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07:21:24  <Stablean> <Player> could you delete the velvet Co? so i can start a new one
07:21:48  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> lol
07:21:48  <Stablean> <Player> oh wait
07:21:50  <Stablean> <Player> sorry
07:22:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Velvet is dumb and left their compnay open
07:22:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> may as well join them
07:22:17  <Stablean> <Player> i can't
07:22:24  <Stablean> <Player> tried already
07:22:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, you have to change your name
07:22:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> use !name
07:22:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> or it will move you
07:22:38  <Stablean> <Player> Oh yeah thx! i didnt notice
07:22:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the name Player isnt allowed here
07:22:46  <Stablean> <velvet> delete me :O
07:22:49  <Stablean> <velvet> oooo
07:22:59  <Stablean> <velvet> bad idea
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07:23:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah velvet, you already have a vistor already in your company
07:23:09  <Stablean> <Player> sorry
07:23:23  <Stablean> <velvet> ;/
07:23:25  <Stablean> <Player> i missed i thought it is a negative profit company
07:23:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if that guy was smart, he would be deleteing your company tile by tile to prove to you why you need a password
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07:23:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> should start a boat and delete water tiles
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07:24:43  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> oh hello my 1st jam
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07:25:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> finally you add a password, I wonder what convinced you xD
07:26:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> anyways, im off
07:26:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> seeya
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07:52:47  <Stablean> <Dixon296> morning :P
07:52:50  <Stablean> <Sleeeper> hi
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08:35:16  <Stablean> <velvet> i ahve a problem at south
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08:36:03  <Stablean> <velvet> hey Mazth
08:36:17  <Stablean> <Mazth> hi!
08:36:35  <Stablean> <velvet> can you help me near Shinnington?
08:40:57  <Stablean> <Mazth> what is the problem
08:41:09  <Stablean> <Mazth> ah
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08:43:15  <Stablean> <Mazth> they have only 1 line to go in and out on
08:43:21  <Stablean> <velvet> yes
08:43:36  <Stablean> <velvet> meke one in and one out?
08:43:39  <Stablean> <Mazth> so they block that path for the entire time they are there
08:44:18  <Stablean> <Mazth> prolly u need a bigger station anyway :P
08:45:17  <Stablean> <Mazth> there is not so much space
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08:49:11  <Stablean> <Mazth> hi dixon
08:49:18  <Stablean> <Dixon296> hello
08:49:37  <Stablean> <Mazth> hows the map coming along?
08:49:51  <Stablean> <Dixon296> done
08:50:05  <Stablean> <Mazth> nice!
08:50:11  <Stablean> <Dixon296> but not exactley what you asked for :P
08:50:45  <Stablean> <Dixon296> it is artic
08:50:49  <Stablean> <Mazth> that is fine :P
08:51:03  <Stablean> <Dixon296> but not loads of snow
08:51:09  <Stablean> <Mazth> was just an idea that came up
08:51:39  <Stablean> <Dixon296> a good proposle for a psg maybe :)
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08:53:17  <Stablean> <Mazth> :)
08:54:00  <Dixon296> you may not agree with some settings
08:55:05  <Stablean> <Mazth> how so?
08:55:20  <Dixon296> station spread max 6
08:55:38  <Stablean> <Mazth> :P
08:55:49  <Stablean> <Mazth> I survived the max spread 7
08:56:08  <Dixon296> k
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08:57:21  <Stablean> <Mazth> now there's something new...jammed trams
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08:58:47  <Stablean> <Mazth> Dixon296:  do u know who handled the jam of 2060?
08:58:57  <Stablean> <Dixon296> no
08:59:20  <Stablean> <Dixon296> see !here
08:59:46  <Stablean> <Dixon296> that may speed it up abit
09:00:40  <Stablean> <Mazth> thnx
09:00:46  <Stablean> <Dixon296> np
09:01:13  <Stablean> <Dixon296> you have trains waiting to join then spliting straight after
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09:03:21  <Dixon296> afk
09:03:23  <Stablean> <Mazth> ml had prio there
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09:17:27  <Stablean> <velvet> Mazth?
09:17:33  <Stablean> <chester> Mazth im gonna steal your oil
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09:22:35  <Stablean> <Mazth> err yh?
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09:23:05  <Stablean> <Mazth> I haven no oil so there is nothing to steal...just be sensical about space
09:23:35  <Stablean> <velvet> Mazth i made it :D
09:23:51  <Stablean> <Mazth> I btw did not recommend using 2 way pbs
09:24:05  <Stablean> <chester> i was checking out AT12 behavior
09:24:11  <Stablean> <velvet> ?
09:25:05  <Stablean> <velvet> you told that these which i had were bad
09:25:23  <Stablean> <chester> it carries oil, doesnt allow refitting
09:26:44  <Stablean> <Mazth> we adviced u to use the normal block signals
09:26:58  <Stablean> <velvet> so i use them
09:27:00  <Stablean> <Mazth> sign s up
09:27:10  <Stablean> <Mazth> those are 2 way pbs
09:27:16  <Stablean> <Mazth> not block signals
09:27:18  <Stablean> <velvet> oh
09:27:36  <Stablean> <velvet> but
09:27:38  <Stablean> <velvet> i dont use them
09:27:53  <Stablean> <Mazth> anson already explained the problems with 2way PBS :P
09:27:55  <Stablean> <velvet> and idnt use
09:28:29  <Stablean> <Mazth> the block signals are the first from the signal menu
09:28:51  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
09:29:11  <Stablean> <Mazth> they look a bit the same :P
09:30:22  <Stablean> <velvet> so blocks are good?
09:30:36  <Dixon296>
09:30:38  <Webster> Title: Dropbox - Map1.sav - Simplify your life (at
09:30:51  <Dixon296> link to map just need someone to load it :)
09:31:01  <Dixon296> im off out  cya
09:31:19  <Mazth> sweet! I ll check it out
09:31:48  <Dixon296> nothing special just a map :)
09:32:14  <Mazth> just curious about your choices :P
09:32:43  <Dixon296> kk let know what you think
09:32:52  <Dixon296> pm me on irc
09:33:08  <Stablean> <Mazth> ok!
09:33:50  <Stablean> <Anson> i added some hint at !here
09:34:18  <Stablean> <Mazth> velvet:  it is not the question whether they are good or not but do what you are using the signals for
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09:35:57  <Stablean> <Mazth> you place signals on lines to allow more than one train on that piece of track
09:36:14  <Stablean> <Mazth> and not have them crash
09:36:17  <Stablean> <Mazth> block signals do just that
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09:37:55  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
09:38:33  <Stablean> <Mazth> so block signals are safe to use  and with spacing 2 allows for a lot of trains on ur tracks :P
09:38:39  <Stablean> <Anson> on a single track and with a single train, all signals should almost have the same effect :-)
09:39:02  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
09:39:04  <Stablean> <velvet> thx
09:39:10  <Stablean> <Anson> but each type of signal has additional effects .... or else thre wouldn't be a reason to have several different signals available :-)
09:39:12  <Stablean> <velvet>  i wille change them :p
09:39:14  <Stablean> <Mazth> called the sign !signals :P
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09:40:56  <Stablean> <Mazth> when u know what the signals do and understand why u use them the choices become logical
09:42:38  <Stablean> <Anson> you see the difference now ? the little train can't reverse back beyond the signal, while the other train goes back and forth through the 2way PBS
09:42:40  <Stablean> <velvet> ok i know these two
09:43:46  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
09:43:48  <Stablean> <Mazth> gogo my little grass hoppers :P
09:44:00  <Stablean> <velvet> so this bloick is one directional route
09:44:10  <Stablean> <Mazth> yes
09:44:20  <Stablean> <velvet> but pbs is not one dir
09:44:23  <Stablean> <Mazth> but you can make them 2 way also
09:44:25  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
09:44:28  <Stablean> <velvet> i know
09:44:34  <Stablean> <Anson> to study the behavior of signals, it is a good option to enable this : advanced settings > interface > display options > show reserved tracks
09:44:40  <Stablean> <Mazth> and there is 2way pbs
09:44:51  <Stablean> <Mazth> and 1 way pbs
09:45:54  <Stablean> <velvet> it is nice setting :D
09:46:32  <Stablean> <Mazth> pbs finds a path and reserves a track
09:46:44  <Stablean> <Mazth> block signals only block :P
09:47:16  <Stablean> <Anson> on the 2way PBS, you can see that in one direction, the train reserves a section up to the next signal, and in the reverse direction, it IGNORES all signals
09:47:37  <V453000> that is Medium amount of industries Dixon296 ?
09:49:28  <Stablean> <Mazth> the reserved tracks should show nicely at your station next to the signals
09:49:46  <Dixon296> i can add more ?
09:50:02  <Stablean> <Mazth> though they are not that clear on the maglev tracks
09:50:03  <V453000> did you use High setting?
09:50:06  <V453000> !date
09:50:08  <Stablean> V453000: 24 Jul 2093
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09:50:36  <Stablean> <V453000> either way if you give me a few hours we can play with nuts 0.2.0
09:50:50  <Stablean> <V453000> I can even use the mapseed of yours for it
09:50:55  <Dixon296> used editor
09:50:56  <Stablean> <V453000> oh right
09:51:03  <Stablean> <V453000> idk, feels low
09:51:13  <Stablean> <V453000> alright
09:51:28  <Stablean> <V453000> let me do some more of nuts and I will make a map based on yours in the afternoon
09:51:38  <Stablean> <Mazth> wootwoot!
09:51:53  <Dixon296> i carnt play after 4 :(
09:52:13  <Stablean> <V453000> and since?
09:52:37  <Dixon296> my net goes off
09:52:47  <Stablean> <V453000> wha
09:53:07  <Dixon296> usage cap
09:53:33  <Mazth> :S
09:53:44  <Dixon296> so i got 5 hours
09:53:54  <V453000> that still exists in civilized countries?
09:54:12  <Dixon296> then carnt come back on till midnight
09:54:24  <Mazth> pfft
09:54:24  <V453000> eu time?
09:54:28  <Dixon296> its on a dongle at moment
09:54:54  <Dixon296> uk time
09:55:02  <Stablean> <V453000> right
09:56:03  <Dixon296> i still have net but carnt download so no games:(
09:56:30  <Stablean> <V453000> srsly why do you keep a not-24h a day net in uk :D
09:56:34  <Dixon296> then between minight and 4pm i can do anything
09:56:57  <Dixon296> dno:)
09:57:28  <Stablean> <V453000> I had something very similar but with the difference that I had 24h a day in the terms I signed with them
09:57:40  <Stablean> <V453000> alas, net cut off around 5 pm until like 6 am
09:58:23  <Mazth> it can't find the newtree grf on the net, might be unhandy for new players?
09:58:35  <Stablean> <V453000> yes I wanted to note that too
09:58:45  <Stablean> <V453000> because its author is absolutely retarded it is not on bananas anymore
09:58:48  <Stablean> <Anson> there are many "cheap" providers which offer "nornmal" access, but really have restrictions on bandwidth or volume
09:59:23  <Stablean> <velvet> which signals there?
09:59:27  <Stablean> <V453000> idk I pay about 12 euro per month and I dont have limits
09:59:29  <Stablean> <velvet> near station
09:59:30  <Dixon296> oh it was tho
10:00:09  <Stablean> <Anson> a simple track, no crosings, thus no need for PBS ... use normal block signals
10:00:16  <Dixon296> its not that simple V
10:00:58  <V453000> idk seems pretty simple to me :d
10:01:21  <Dixon296> well maybe but its not
10:01:31  <Stablean> <Mazth> but the reserved tracks do not show very well on maglev
10:01:43  <Dixon296> not my house no phone line
10:02:11  <Dixon296> funds verylow
10:02:59  <Dixon296> so just put it on when i have cash
10:03:01  <Stablean> <velvet> it this reserved is not empty then train will stop?
10:03:43  <Mazth> yh because the track is reserved by a train
10:04:13  <Stablean> <velvet> *when
10:11:40  <Stablean> <velvet> sing: do i still need it?
10:11:56  <Stablean> <Mazth> yh
10:12:10  <Stablean> <velvet> yh?
10:12:28  <Stablean> <Mazth> yes that one is still needed
10:12:39  <Stablean> <velvet> thy?
10:12:41  <Stablean> <velvet> why?
10:13:07  <Stablean> <Mazth> it lets train find and reserve a path to the station
10:13:26  <Stablean> <Mazth> replace it with a block signal and see what it does
10:13:32  <Stablean> <Mazth> compare;  test!
10:13:34  <Stablean> <velvet> i know
10:13:40  <Stablean> <velvet> i see it
10:13:40  <Stablean> <velvet> but ok
10:14:36  <Stablean> <velvet> sing: and here?
10:15:02  <Stablean> <Anson> simple merge, normal block signals
10:16:17  <Stablean> <Anson> everybody can delete any sign ... thus please remove hints and similar when you have followed (or decided to not follow) those hints
10:16:35  <Stablean> <velvet> sign: good?
10:19:21  <Stablean> <Anson> at "good?", trains might enter from both sides and get stuck
10:21:01  <Stablean> <velvet> sign: oh and here?
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10:23:10  <Stablean> <Anson> nothing special to be done at "and here?" ... use normal block signals
10:25:22  <Stablean> <Anson> there is a stuck train now
10:25:37  <Stablean> <Anson> at sign "useless"
10:25:43  <Stablean> <velvet> i see
10:27:39  <Stablean> <velvet> i have no idea
10:28:45  <Stablean> <Anson> there is no easy path from the depot to that station ... trains probably would ned to take the path through the southern town
10:29:23  <Stablean> <Anson> and that is a terminal station, thus works as a reverser and hides the remaining track from the pathfinder
10:30:07  <Stablean> <Anson> thus the train has taken a path with severe penalties (against the signal direction) and was stuck at "useless"
10:31:45  <Stablean> <velvet> all was  working with pbs :P
10:32:31  <Stablean> <Anson> workinmg, maybe ... but you should know why something works, and it worked only "by accident" and with luck
10:41:26  <Stablean> <Anson> why do you have such a long track to the depot ?
10:41:52  <Stablean> <velvet> to make speed
10:41:52  <Stablean> <pav> its Japan style :)
10:42:03  <Stablean> <velvet> it is big differance
10:42:09  <Stablean> <velvet> look i ahve connected in and out
10:42:35  <Stablean> <Anson> when the long track has a depot at one end and a CL1 at the other, where do you get speed ?
10:42:38  <Stablean> <velvet> trains going from depo are really slow
10:43:04  <Stablean> <velvet> Cl1?
10:45:58  <Stablean> <velvet> look at do i still need it and tle me why
10:46:08  <Stablean> <velvet> "do i still"
10:46:27  <Stablean> <Anson> CL = Curve Length
10:47:21  <Stablean> <Anson> CL is the distance between two turns in the same direction (thus does not apply to S-curves)
10:48:11  <Stablean> <Anson> normal rails have max speed 62 in a curve with CL1, and speed 61 in depots ... thus no need for accelerating between them on a long track
10:50:38  <Stablean> <Anson> first had to study "do i still need it", to see what you intended :-)
10:51:12  <Stablean> <Anson> those signals are not needed ... they are used at the other station to speed up exit by letting trains advance to that signal
10:51:47  <Stablean> <Anson> at that big crossing, there is no train coming the opposite direction and leaving, thus the 2way PBS are not needed, and could only be dangerous
10:53:06  <Stablean> <Anson> but to split trains to the 6 tracks, you need a 1way PBS in front of it
10:53:24  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
10:53:34  <Stablean> <Anson> THAT is the intension of PBS :-)
10:54:32  <Stablean> <Anson> if you additionally put signals behind the split, the PBS only looks forward until those signals and they can block the crossing and other empty tracks/latforms
10:55:12  <Stablean> <velvet> look this pbs is not working
10:55:27  <Stablean> <velvet> "do i stil need it"
10:55:41  <Stablean> <Anson> read my answer 2 lines above
10:56:05  <Stablean> <Anson> PBS needs a track without signals in between
10:56:35  <Stablean> <Anson> thus stop the train first, and then remove the signals AFTER the split for all empty tracks
10:59:05  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
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11:01:10  <Stablean> <Anson> PBS is used to select one of several pathes at a split ... thus PBS is never needed on straight tracks and behind a merge
11:01:33  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
11:02:07  <Stablean> <velvet> but you mean one way pbs?
11:02:45  <Stablean> <Anson> if possible, tracks should have enough space to hold an entire train ... so that a train can wait and already have cleared the path for the next entering train
11:03:02  <Stablean> <Anson> of course that is difficult with very long trains
11:05:16  <Stablean> <velvet> good at !depo?
11:06:26  <Stablean> <Anson> what do you intend at !depo ? help trains to leave faster, and possibly crash them with the 2way PBS ?
11:07:32  <Stablean> <Anson> you have to decide what you want to achieve ...
11:08:03  <Stablean> <Anson> with a signal at !depo, you can cause trains to leave faster, but they might wait at that signal and thus block the track for incoming trains !!!!!
11:08:43  <Stablean> <Anson> or you can have NO signal, which enables trains to enter the depot at all times, but cause them to leave slower
11:09:24  <Stablean> <velvet> no it will hurt a lot
11:09:34  <Stablean> <velvet> with signal is better
11:09:44  <Stablean> <Anson> how often do you use the depot ? ... without breakdowns/maintenance, it probably is more important to have trains enter the depot and not cause blocks and deadlocks
11:10:31  <Stablean> <velvet> i dony see any deatch loscks etc
11:11:37  <Stablean> <Anson> example : trains are waiting on all platforms and you give a command to do maintenance
11:12:04  <Stablean> <Anson> result : no train can pass the signal towards the platforms, and no train from the platforms can enter the depot
11:12:10  <Stablean> <Anson> that is a deadlock
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11:12:26  <Stablean> <Kyler> ho
11:13:12  <Stablean> <Kyler> i though we would have a new map by now
11:13:38  <Stablean> <Mazth> well gtg cya!
11:13:49  <Stablean> <velvet> i dont undestand it
11:13:54  <Stablean> <velvet> all is good
11:13:56  <Stablean> <Kyler> no i'm not getting myself one
11:14:07  <Stablean> <velvet> in !depo
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11:15:31  <Stablean> <Anson> put 5 trains at the signs ... waiting1-4 want to go to the depot, and waitingD wants to go to the station ... they block each other and thus cause a deadlock
11:15:47  <Stablean> <Kyler> ?
11:15:59  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
11:16:09  <Stablean> <velvet> but i cant put here no signal
11:16:43  <Stablean> <Anson> if there is no signal, the PBS area extends to the depot ... no danger, but maybe a bit slow
11:16:53  <Stablean> <velvet> very slow
11:17:23  <Stablean> <Anson> if you put any signal in between, it mostly is faster, but may cause deadlocks and then is MUCH slower when you are AFK or don't notice
11:18:05  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm going bankrupt
11:18:08  <Stablean> <Anson> how often do you use that depot ?
11:18:11  <Stablean> <velvet> want money?
11:18:17  <Stablean> <Kyler> sure
11:18:32  <Stablean> <Anson> for inserting new trains and for autoreplace ? something else ?
11:18:38  <Stablean> <velvet> each train between 150 days
11:18:41  <Stablean> <velvet> and when i need
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11:19:11  <Stablean> <Anson> you absolutely WANT the maintenance work ?
11:19:16  <Stablean> <Kyler> ....$....@....Me
11:19:46  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, it is mostly about creating networks and make trains run ... not about stopping them for maintenance or by having breakdowns
11:19:53  <Stablean> <Kyler> i gota go back to bed bye
11:20:07  <Stablean> <Anson> thus breakdowns are off and maintenance is off by default
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11:20:19  <Stablean> <velvet> lol
11:20:52  <V453000> if it was possible to make trains not break down with proper maintenance when breakdowns are on, it would be an acceptable setting
11:20:56  <V453000> but it isnt
11:21:15  <Stablean> <velvet> so
11:21:16  <Stablean> <Anson> they only do the maintenance because you have inserted it as an order in the train's command list
11:21:30  <Stablean> <velvet> true
11:21:36  <Stablean> <velvet> but
11:21:42  <Stablean> <velvet> i hear that this is pointless
11:21:48  <Stablean> <velvet> lol
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11:23:15  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, you will only need to send trains to depots for autoreplace, and then probably will send all trains there at the same time ... thus you may want to get all trains in the depot first, then let them leave
11:23:35  <Stablean> <Anson> and thus you won't need that signal
11:24:02  <Stablean> <velvet> yes
11:24:12  <Stablean> <velvet> but there is not fun
11:24:18  <Stablean> <velvet> when i know there will be no breakown
11:24:41  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to do it properly with entry/exit and signals, you should create two rails, one for entry, one for exit, and each of them with oneway (block) signals and their length should be >= TL
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11:32:42  <Stablean> <velvet> btw my company is the best
11:33:05  <Stablean> <pav> :)
11:33:24  <Stablean> <chester> the only best company is mine
11:35:10  <Stablean> <pav> for noobs we done pretty well :)
11:35:20  <Stablean> <Anson> velvet, i just have constructed a depot for you ... remember it. then i will take it down nd you can build it yourself for your track
11:35:49  <Stablean> <chester> weird architecture, even for noobs
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11:36:50  <Stablean> <pav> I'm not talking about architectutre, but for funancial part ...
11:37:22  <Stablean> <chester> funancial
11:37:38  <Stablean> <Anson> do you see my siggestion for your depot with a "speedup exit" ?
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11:40:07  <Stablean> <Dixon296> hi again
11:40:18  <Stablean> <velvet> hi
11:40:33  <Stablean> <pav> hi
11:41:40  <Stablean> <Dixon296> why are people buying land around towns?
11:41:58  <Stablean> <Anson> to restrict growth
11:42:09  <Stablean> <pav> to prevent growth ...
11:42:11  <Stablean> <Dixon296> towns dont grow on there own
11:42:22  <Stablean> <Dixon296> carnt build roads
11:42:38  <Stablean> <Dixon296> so thats pointless
11:43:20  <Stablean> <pav> its not, I finance city growth and want it to grow in my direction.
11:43:47  <Stablean> <Dixon296> it is cos you have to build roads for it to grow
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11:44:19  <Stablean> <Dixon296> o/
11:44:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
11:44:48  <Stablean> <pav> threre are roads build for supplies, and city grow thry them ...
11:45:10  <Stablean> <Dixon296> yes they will grow along them
11:45:11  <Stablean> <velvet> no
11:45:25  <Stablean> <velvet> along
11:45:27  <Stablean> <velvet> yes
11:45:38  <Stablean> <velvet> but not where you buy land
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11:46:59  <Stablean> <pav> btw, do I need to supply goods and food in my bus station for city growth ?
11:47:09  <Stablean> <velvet> it depends
11:47:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if it is in desert: yes
11:47:13  <Stablean> <velvet> on map
11:47:15  <Stablean> <velvet> on city
11:47:27  <Stablean> <velvet> no goods
11:47:38  <Stablean> <velvet> water and food
11:48:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I moved the railway, so you can expand your station at  Hedingville
11:48:21  <Stablean> <velvet> thx
11:49:07  <Stablean> <pav> Hedingville need  water and food to be delivered in  center, its becouse its on desert ?
11:49:17  <Stablean> <velvet> yes
11:49:27  <Stablean> <velvet> Tenfors also need
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11:51:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> velvet/paz?
11:51:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> could you make !this a tunnel?
11:51:49  <V453000> new map in a few minutes
11:51:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> never mind then...
11:52:22  <Stablean> <velvet> next time you can join
11:53:49  <V453000> !content
11:53:49  <Stablean> V453000: Connection established
11:53:49  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
11:53:49  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:53:49  <V453000> Dixon296: around? :p
11:53:50  <V453000> !content
11:53:52  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
11:53:55  <Stablean> V453000: Downloading 2 file(s) (527340 bytes)
11:53:55  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:53:59  <V453000> !content
11:54:01  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
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11:54:03  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:54:14  <V453000> !getsave
11:54:16  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
11:54:17  <V453000> !content
11:54:19  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
11:54:21  <Stablean> V453000: Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
11:54:21  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:54:23  <V453000> !content
11:54:25  <Stablean> V453000: Expect timeout triggered!
11:54:27  <Stablean> V453000: Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
11:54:27  <Stablean> V453000: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:54:30  <V453000> ok back in a minute
11:54:32  <V453000> !restart
11:54:32  <Stablean> Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
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11:56:47  <Stablean> V450000000000, now you can execute !-commands ;-)
11:56:51  <V453000> !rcon cd 3
11:56:56  <V453000> !rcon load 2
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11:59:32  <Stablean> <V453000> right map dixon? :p
11:59:44  <Stablean> <Dixon296> yea
11:59:54  <Stablean> <Kyler> 72 hours remain
11:59:56  <Stablean> <velvet> bigger than last ;/
12:00:00  <Stablean> <Dixon296> wrong climate :)
12:00:06  <Stablean> <V453000> nah
12:01:08  <Stablean> <Kyler> is this map wrong?
12:01:10  <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has started a new company (#4)
12:01:12  <Stablean> <V453000> why would it
12:01:12  <Stablean> <Kyler> i like it
12:01:26  <Stablean> <Kyler> dang it no buses
12:01:26  <Stablean> <Dixon296> no its not wrong
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12:02:14  <Stablean> <Kyler> so what do the new GRF settings do?
12:02:22  <Stablean> <V453000> hm?
12:02:56  <Stablean> <Kyler> i had to download 2 GRF settings
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12:03:49  <Stablean> <Kyler> atleast i'm here on time
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12:05:11  <Stablean> <Kyler> why havt u made a comp V?
12:06:14  <Stablean> <Supremacy> too bad it isn't ECS map :(
12:06:20  <Stablean> <V453000> never ecs
12:06:24  <Stablean> <V453000> ever
12:06:26  <Stablean> <Dixon296> yuk
12:06:28  <Stablean> <Supremacy> why not ? :d
12:06:34  <Stablean> <V453000> because it is retarded in every single way
12:06:48  <Stablean> <Supremacy> i quite like it ...
12:06:54  <Stablean> <V453000> I quite very dont
12:07:28  <Stablean> <Supremacy> give me an example of the retardness of ecs :D
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12:07:45  <Stablean> <Dixon296> all of it :P
12:07:59  <Stablean> <Supremacy> thats not an example .. :D
12:07:59  <Stablean> <V453000> productions of farms for example, vehicles do not take effect in growth, stupid restrictions
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12:08:09  <Stablean> <V453000> chains have no system
12:08:41  <Stablean> <Supremacy> i can agree on farms, seasonal production sucks.
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12:09:07  <Stablean> <V453000> _seasonal_ production is interesting, but 7000 production in summer and 0 in winter is not seasonal, that is just plain downed
12:09:09  <Stablean> *** PRO-RUS has started a new company (#8)
12:10:25  <Stablean> <Supremacy> for the sake of network it sucks, but 7000 in summer 0 in winter seems plausible in real world, doesn't it ? :)
12:10:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> what year do buses come in
12:10:39  <Stablean> <V453000> is this real world or network game?
12:11:09  <Stablean> <Supremacy> network - to me , thats why i don't like seasonal :D
12:11:12  <Stablean> <V453000> yes :)
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12:11:42  <Stablean> <Supremacy> but i think the creator of ECS tried to put some realism into it , which in this game unfortunately doesn't work
12:11:52  <Stablean> <V453000> yes indeed
12:11:56  <Stablean> <V453000> way too much realism
12:12:44  <Stablean> <Supremacy> and someone who named 608bhp train Painkiller needs a hefty does of realsim himself...
12:12:47  <Stablean> <Supremacy> dose*
12:13:02  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah the author of this train set is a complete retard
12:13:24  <Stablean> <Dixon296> lol
12:13:51  <Stablean> <Supremacy> see what u did there :d
12:13:57  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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12:14:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> hey happy
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12:14:37  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  hi
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12:14:55  <Stablean> <Dixon296> hi
12:15:28  <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has started a new company (#9)
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12:17:37  <Stablean> <Kyler> yay in the red already
12:17:43  <Stablean> <V453000> lol
12:17:44  <Stablean> <V453000> how
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12:18:11  <Stablean> <V453000> this is probably the cheap set that is around...
12:18:13  <Stablean> <Kyler> my trains are make ing like 
12:18:15  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#3)
12:18:40  <Mazur> !rcon move 50 255
12:18:40  <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox
12:18:42  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Player has joined spectators
12:18:44  <Stablean> <Supremacy> you should try 1 way signals, way healthier for network
12:18:51  <Stablean> <Kyler> me?
12:18:54  <Stablean> <Supremacy> yes :)
12:19:00  <Stablean> <Kyler> i have already
12:19:03  <Stablean> <V453000> healthier for your brain too :p
12:19:13  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#10)
12:19:13  <Stablean> <Supremacy> :d
12:19:22  <Stablean> <Supremacy> no, you are using 2 way signals
12:19:36  <Stablean> <V453000> click multiple times when placing the signal
12:19:38  <Mazur> !rcon move 50 255
12:19:38  <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox
12:19:42  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Player has joined spectators
12:19:53  <Stablean> <Kyler> i look over it and it says one way path single
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12:20:10  <Stablean> <V453000> yes but the rest
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12:20:25  <Mazur> !rcon kick 50
12:20:28  <Mazur> !rcon move 50 255
12:20:28  <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox
12:20:36  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Player has left the game (kicked by server)
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12:20:38  <Stablean> Mazur: ERROR: Invalid client-id, check the command 'clients' for valid client-id's.
12:20:40  <Stablean> <Kyler> i see what u mean
12:20:42  <Stablean> <V453000> lol it kicked him first
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12:21:19  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to thphwh
12:21:19  <Mazur> Well, he'd alreadt joined a company three times as "Player".
12:21:32  <Stablean> <V453000> thta is not a nickname..
12:22:04  <Stablean> <thphwh> I'm a bit confused?
12:22:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, it's harder to pronounce then something like V453000
12:22:13  <Stablean> <V453000> :d
12:22:16  <Stablean> <Kyler> wow i shount of did this
12:22:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but at least they're all letters, and not digits...
12:22:32  <Stablean> <V453000> if it is harder to read than my nickname, it is bad
12:22:36  <Stablean> <V453000> goood measure.
12:22:50  <Stablean> <Supremacy> 7 years untill busses :(
12:22:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> quite subjective, but I think I can agree
12:22:58  <Stablean> *** thphwh has changed his/her name to TOM
12:23:02  <Stablean> <V453000> good :)
12:23:05  <Stablean> <V453000> thanks
12:23:07  <Stablean> <TOM> name "
12:23:18  <Stablean> <V453000> now enjoy your stay
12:23:21  <Stablean> <TOM> Right ok can i start a new company now?
12:23:24  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
12:23:30  <Stablean> *** TOM has started a new company (#3)
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12:25:00  <Stablean> <Supremacy> yeah, 15 wagon tram. You don't see that everyad
12:25:02  <Stablean> <Supremacy> everyday*
12:25:16  <V453000> !rcon set max_roadveh 10
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12:28:13  <Stablean> <Kyler> already 2 years wow
12:29:41  <Stablean> <Kyler> how do u make passangers go to the train staion without the buses station and the train station  touching eachother?
12:30:03  <Stablean> <Kyler> what hotkey
12:30:05  <Stablean> <V453000> if you want a hint, rather try doing cargo
12:30:11  <Stablean> <V453000> passengers are harder
12:30:25  <Stablean> <Kyler> i just want to know the hot key
12:30:39  <Stablean> <V453000> ctrl
12:30:49  <Stablean> <Kyler> wow that is simple
12:31:32  <Stablean> <Kyler> so in 1927 is when the buses are made?
12:31:50  <Stablean> <V453000> somewhere there
12:32:16  <Stablean> <Kyler> i alredy have a bus route
12:32:18  <Stablean> <Supremacy> i saved game ,loaded it ,  cheated time foward and 1927 had busses :D
12:32:24  <Stablean> <V453000> fuck dixon you didnt add stations name from nearby industries
12:32:34  <Stablean> <V453000> oil is useless
12:32:36  <Stablean> <V453000> rigs only
12:32:42  <Stablean> <Dixon296> no cos i made it in artic :p
12:32:44  <Stablean> <Kyler> me?
12:32:47  <Stablean> <V453000> oh right
12:32:53  <Stablean> <V453000> still, should be loaded everywhere
12:33:03  <Stablean> <V453000> also makes refineries anywhere
12:33:11  <Stablean> <Dixon296> ah k
12:33:21  <Stablean> <Kyler> mine bus route is at Fruinghall
12:33:35  <Stablean> <Dixon296> my bad then :P
12:33:41  <Stablean> <V453000> I will reload the map before we get too far
12:33:47  <V453000> !pause
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12:33:51  <Stablean> <Supremacy> so if ECS sucks, what about FIRS than?
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12:34:23  <Stablean> <Kyler> whats wrong?
12:34:27  <Stablean> <Supremacy> server restart
12:34:33  <Stablean> <Supremacy> they didn't like some settings
12:34:36  <Stablean> <Kyler> brb
12:35:20  <V453000> !getsave
12:35:22  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
12:35:23  <V453000> !rcon load 2
12:35:24  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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12:36:08  <V453000> !auto
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12:36:10  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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12:36:21  <Stablean> <Kyler> how did that happin so fast
12:36:25  <Stablean> <V453000> did
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12:37:24  <Stablean> <Kyler> did anyone else have to download a new GRF setting?
12:37:30  <Stablean> <Supremacy> yes..
12:37:40  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  yep
12:37:51  <Stablean> <Kyler> what does it do?
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12:38:04  <Stablean> <Supremacy> it does kind of say it in the name of the new grf..
12:38:10  <Stablean> <V453000> not quite
12:38:17  <Stablean> <V453000> it makes oil wells not die
12:38:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> ah cool
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12:38:37  <Stablean> <Supremacy> heh, nice to know
12:38:47  <Stablean> <V453000> and no oil rigs ofc
12:39:09  <Stablean> <Supremacy> rigs cause too much landscaping by rich ? :d
12:39:15  <Stablean> <V453000> more or less
12:39:31  <Stablean> <V453000> it has a lot of downsides
12:39:42  <Stablean> <V453000> digging in water, starting with industries so late in the game, ...
12:39:52  <Stablean> <V453000> also rigs tend to appear in terribile clusters
12:40:08  <Stablean> <Supremacy> clusters are good :D
12:40:16  <Stablean> <V453000> not really
12:40:22  <Stablean> <Kyler> my headphons broke
12:40:24  <Stablean> <Kyler> :9
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12:40:30  <Stablean> <Kyler> :(
12:41:17  <Stablean> <Kyler> do bad i'm going to lose my comp
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12:41:41  <Stablean> *** Kyler has started a new company (#10)
12:41:45  <Stablean> <V453000> that takes some effort with this train set
12:41:47  <Stablean> <Supremacy> it seems property maintenance is killing your old one
12:41:53  <Stablean> <Supremacy> :D
12:42:11  <Stablean> <Supremacy> you could have taken out more loan and build something more profitable
12:42:34  <Stablean> <V453000> lol 150k loan?
12:42:36  <Stablean> <V453000> why
12:42:38  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm only 10
12:43:04  <Stablean> <V453000> thats nice but why dont you take all 500k of loan and build something that makes money
12:43:15  <Stablean> <Kyler> like what?
12:43:21  <Stablean> <V453000> like anything
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12:43:23  <Stablean> <Supremacy> coal for starters
12:43:47  <Stablean> <Supremacy> coal is probably the best thing to start with
12:44:02  <Stablean> <V453000> every cargo is good
12:44:16  <Stablean> <V453000> PRO-RUS: get out of my island please
12:44:18  <Stablean> <V453000> oh, teleporting
12:44:24  <Stablean> <V453000> I knew why I banned you
12:44:24  <Stablean> <Kyler> V are u using Fonningpool Falls coal mine?
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12:45:03  <Stablean> <Kyler> are u?
12:45:17  <Stablean> <V453000> I am using everything on this piece of land
12:45:39  <Stablean> *** Mazur has joined company #6
12:45:47  <Stablean> <V453000> and yes I am
12:45:53  <Stablean> <Kyler> not anymore
12:45:53  <Stablean> <Supremacy> why you discourage useage of pax?
12:46:04  <Stablean> <V453000> not so simple
12:46:10  <Stablean> <V453000> for start
12:46:28  <Stablean> <Supremacy> how do you learn than?
12:46:39  <Stablean> <V453000> by trying something easier first?
12:46:42  <Stablean> <Kyler> who learn?
12:46:46  <Stablean> <Supremacy> will make it work anyway..
12:46:54  <Stablean> <V453000> he didnt make it work?
12:47:12  <Stablean> <V453000> )discuss less, build more :p
12:47:26  <Stablean> <Supremacy> well , got my money maker built OK, so i can play around a bit :)
12:48:48  <Stablean> <V453000> please build in one part of map not two Supremacy
12:49:02  <Stablean> <Supremacy> eh?
12:49:18  <Stablean> <V453000> expand the first network instead of staring a new factory?
12:49:20  <Stablean> <Supremacy> you're supporting very limited play here.. not the ottdcoop i remember..
12:49:35  <Stablean> <V453000> limited play for you or for the others?
12:49:59  <Stablean> <V453000> the map isnt endless
12:50:04  <Stablean> <V453000> staying in your area makes it easier for others
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12:50:48  <Stablean> <Supremacy> so expansion of my network - even if everything is connected- is limited?
12:50:58  <Stablean> <V453000> no?
12:51:16  <Stablean> <Supremacy> than its just matter of time till i build there again..
12:51:22  <Stablean> <V453000> the factory was far and faced different direction?
12:51:37  <Stablean> <V453000> then let it take time
12:51:47  <Stablean> <Supremacy> wasn't going to use the factory... stations area didn't eve reach it.
12:52:02  <Stablean> *** pav has started a new company (#10)
12:52:04  <Stablean> <V453000> lol what then
12:52:08  <Stablean> <Supremacy> thats just bad policing..
12:52:19  <Stablean> <Supremacy> i think i was talking about pax erlier...
12:52:27  <Stablean> <Supremacy> earlier*
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12:52:31  <Stablean> <V453000> why start pax there ..
12:52:38  <Stablean> <Supremacy> nice flat ground
12:52:40  <Stablean> <V453000> you have some nice towns in your corner
12:52:44  <Stablean> <Supremacy> good place for ICE
12:52:50  <Stablean> <Kyler> hey V am i staying in my part?
12:52:50  <Stablean> <V453000> you chose your corner, please stick with it
12:52:53  <Stablean> <Supremacy> i presume you are familiar with the term
12:53:04  <Stablean> <V453000> ..
12:53:42  <Stablean> <Supremacy> pax is most profitable on long runs, you know that..
12:53:44  <Stablean> <Kyler> ?
12:53:50  <Stablean> <V453000> how is that related to your area
12:54:05  <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (processing map took too long)
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12:54:20  <Stablean> <Supremacy> long run meaning distant traveling , my area isn't very big..
12:54:30  <Stablean> <Kyler> i love the extra zoom
12:54:36  <Stablean> <Kyler> in
12:54:39  <Stablean> <V453000> care about profit more?
12:54:54  <Stablean> <Kyler> who?
12:55:16  <Stablean> <Kyler> this is very confusing
12:55:30  <Stablean> <Supremacy> hmm.. more... don't know about that
12:55:52  <Stablean> <Supremacy> but say what, i'll keep using my corner, til i can't anymore. Is it fine with you?
12:56:02  <Stablean> <V453000> if you prefer to make 10 dollars more per run over annoying others with your spreading over the map, go ahead
12:56:34  <Stablean> <V453000> the corner is pretty big but lets see :p
12:56:50  <Stablean> <V453000> still out of the point of starting a network somewhere else
12:57:08  <Stablean> <Kyler> is ,000 good for 2 coal trains?
13:01:02  <Stablean> <Kyler> who is brown
13:01:24  <Stablean> <Kyler> ....
13:01:34  <Stablean> <Kyler> oh its happy
13:01:50  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  me kyler
13:03:06  <Stablean> <Kyler> does anyone think i'm doing good?
13:05:21  <Stablean> <Kyler> my mom is felling somewhat better
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13:07:47  <ROM5419> ...
13:07:54  <V453000> nice start
13:07:59  <V453000> I usually start with hi
13:08:03  <ROM5419> sorry i cant connect
13:08:06  <Stablean> <Dixon296> lol
13:08:11  <ROM5419> something wrong with my broadband
13:08:32  <ROM5419> i download map until half then "Network-Game Connection Lost" ALL THE TIME.
13:08:34  <Stablean> <V453000> what do you expect us to do with that
13:08:46  <ROM5419> other server fast connection no problem
13:08:48  <ROM5419> dunno
13:09:10  <ROM5419> all i know is servers that pause when someone joins, those servers i can. this one, no
13:09:21  <ROM5419> so sorry i cant join this time
13:09:27  <ROM5419> b
13:09:27  <ROM5419> b
13:09:54  <Stablean> <V453000> if you cant connect when the map is empty, you will hardly be able to join very soon
13:10:52  <Stablean> <Kyler> hey happy do u think i'll be susfull?
13:11:16  <ROM5419> well goodbye forever then because my 3rd-world broadband will never get better nor stabilize itself anymore
13:11:26  <Stablean> <V453000> cant do much with that
13:11:31  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i  thinke so
13:11:42  <Stablean> <Kyler> bye
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13:13:48  <Stablean> <Kyler> i didnt realize how close my trac ks were
13:14:23  <Stablean> <Kyler> ...
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13:16:43  <Stablean> <Kyler> i like this game better that RCT1,2,and3
13:17:05  <Stablean> <Dixon296> damm factory died
13:17:40  <Stablean> <V453000> it hated you anyway dixon :p
13:17:54  <Stablean> <Dixon296> yep
13:19:24  <ROM5419> RCT3 im playing now :)
13:19:47  <Stablean> <Kyler> are u playing in sandbox mode?
13:21:06  <Stablean> <Kyler> i may stay on here all day
13:21:49  <Stablean> <V453000> Supremacy: train 31 hates you
13:21:52  <Stablean> <V453000> a lot
13:22:10  <Stablean> <Supremacy> oh it does :D
13:22:20  <Stablean> <Supremacy> thanks
13:22:28  <Stablean> <V453000> you should deal with it quickly or it will take revenge on your family
13:22:31  <Stablean> <Kyler> does anyone want BW2?
13:22:37  <Stablean> <V453000> because that is a lot of hate
13:22:37  <Stablean> <Supremacy> dealt with :)
13:22:43  <Stablean> <V453000> :p
13:23:15  <Stablean> <Supremacy> 27 might hate me more, made it wait 1.5 years for passangers, which never came :D
13:23:29  <Stablean> <V453000> torturer of trains
13:23:32  <Stablean> <V453000> you evil
13:24:02  <Stablean> <Kyler> when does monorail come?
13:24:08  <Stablean> <V453000> 1990
13:24:18  <Stablean> <V453000> so only 64 years away
13:24:29  <Stablean> <V453000> which is ... about 26 hours?
13:24:31  <ROM5419> Around 1985 with NUTS (Note if you want me in pause the server)
13:24:44  <V453000> @kick ROM5419
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13:28:45  <Stablean> <Supremacy> Kyler, for sake of using less space, you might want to connect your tracks, just look at other networks
13:28:51  <Stablean> <Supremacy> to see how to do it
13:29:17  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm 10 so i'm not advanced
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13:29:31  <Stablean> <V453000> looking is learned at about 1 month age
13:29:33  <Stablean> <V453000> or earlier?
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13:29:55  <Stablean> <Supremacy> thats why i said look at other networks
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13:30:15  <Stablean> <Kyler> ive already seen them
13:30:25  <Stablean> <V453000> please dont put your age behind a big part of your arguments, nobody really cares  how old someone is on the internet
13:30:27  <Stablean> <Supremacy> so try copying some of them
13:30:42  <Stablean> <Kyler> wow just wow
13:31:10  <Stablean> <Supremacy> he's guilting you :d
13:31:20  <Stablean> <Kyler> what?
13:31:42  <Stablean> <Supremacy> was talking with v453000
13:31:44  <Stablean> <Kyler> oh
13:32:02  <Stablean> <Supremacy> had to open client list to type your name -.-
13:32:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
13:32:19  <Stablean> <V453000> press V and t ab
13:33:22  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm going to set back and relax for now
13:35:14  <Stablean> <Kyler> ny foot is asleep
13:38:46  <Stablean> <V453000> last trains come in 2070 btw  :p longer game
13:41:08  <Stablean> <Kyler> 6 hours remain
13:41:20  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
13:41:30  <Stablean> <Kyler> majors mask
13:44:21  <Stablean> <Supremacy> ah.. got tired of trains, gonna try ships.
13:44:28  <Stablean> <V453000> lol
13:44:31  <Stablean> <V453000> sure want to do that?
13:44:33  <Stablean> <Supremacy> nice playing with ya :) too much water for my taste :(
13:44:43  <Stablean> <V453000> oh lol
13:44:45  <Stablean> <Supremacy> planned bankruptcy :)
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13:44:59  <Stablean> <Kyler> bye
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13:52:19  <Stablean> <Mazur> Oops.
13:52:28  <Stablean> <Mazur> Bye, bye.
13:53:50  <Stablean> <Mazur> You could have warned, SUpremacy.
13:54:00  <Stablean> <V453000> LOL
13:54:07  <Stablean> <Mazur> He did, but not explicitly.
13:54:09  <Stablean> <V453000> I say it all the fucking time
13:54:11  <Stablean> <V453000> do not buy other companies
13:54:13  <Stablean> <V453000> but no
13:54:27  <Stablean> <V453000> now enjoy it :p
13:55:05  <Stablean> <Mazur> I'm not blaming him, just surprised a bit.  Usually it's handled more manageably.
13:55:06  <Stablean> <V453000> I guess you get bought by someone and can coop with them
13:55:21  <Stablean> <Mazur> ANyway, my company is safe now, boats are gone.
13:55:46  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah but the 50 millions in the red isnt the best :d
13:55:54  <Stablean> <Mazur> That gets scrapped.
13:56:12  <Stablean> <Mazur> I think.
13:56:22  <Stablean> <Dixon296> yea it does
13:56:32  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
13:56:38  <Stablean> <V453000> but you still get bought :)
13:56:44  <Stablean> <Mazur> So my company will be making one million a year.
13:56:59  <Stablean> <Kyler> wow
13:57:01  <Stablean> <Mazur> So what, bankrupcy is not hte end of the world.
13:57:11  <Stablean> <V453000> no, but .. :)
13:57:57  <Stablean> <Mazur> And I had done most of what I wished to do.
13:58:05  <Stablean> <V453000> lol
13:58:19  <Stablean> <Mazur> Just a bit opf practice.
13:58:19  <Stablean> <V453000> well at least you are happy. :D
13:58:33  <Stablean> <Mazur> I always am, aren;t I?
13:58:35  <Stablean> <V453000> I think so
13:59:02  <Stablean> <Mazur> Wanted to go get some milk in anyway.
13:59:08  <Stablean> <Mazur> Back later.
13:59:12  <Stablean> <V453000> beer you mean
13:59:30  <Stablean> <V453000> but yeah nice nickname for beer
13:59:33  <Stablean> <Mazur> No, milk. Pancakes, sauces....
13:59:56  <Stablean> <V453000> right :p
14:00:02  <Stablean> <V453000> beer n stuff
14:01:08  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  mazth way did u by a ship
14:01:20  <Stablean> <V453000> Mazur isnt Mazth
14:01:34  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  ar sorrey
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14:02:40  <Mazur> Hippy: I bough Supremacy's company without looking, and he had 6 boats running to go bankrupt.  I was too slow in getting rid of them.
14:03:03  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  ar ok
14:03:13  <Stablean> <Kyler> no i will not
14:03:20  <Mazur> I was expecting a single boat at most.
14:03:31  <Stablean> <Kyler> me?
14:03:35  <Mazur> My bad.
14:04:59  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  be backe later
14:05:02  <Stablean> <Kyler> k
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14:19:35  <Stablean> <Kyler> wow its quite
14:22:55  <Stablean> *** Trinida has started a new company (#5)
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14:24:33  <Stablean> <V453000> lol I managed to get rid of money
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14:39:09  <Stablean> <Kyler> 5 mins remain
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14:46:33  <Stablean> <Kyler> hello again
14:46:40  <Stablean> <velvet> hi
14:46:47  <Stablean> <Dixon296> hi
14:46:54  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm satying here all day
14:46:56  <Stablean> <pav> hi :)
14:47:10  <Stablean> <velvet> :)
14:48:25  <Stablean> <velvet> bridge length limit?
14:48:27  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
14:48:53  <Stablean> <Dixon296> 6
14:49:23  <Stablean> <Anson> many people buy a dozen boats/planes/trains/cars and then start them in the overview window
14:50:33  <Stablean> <velvet> Sarfingway-on-sea :D
14:50:36  <Stablean> <pav> its good in intro titles to put message, dont buy flying and swiming stuff... I made the same mistake first
14:50:42  <Stablean> <Anson> that's also the only fast method to stop them all ... overview, red cross to stopp all ... stopped vehicles don't cost running costs (and there is almost no chance to get them to travel back to a depot/dock in time before running out of money)
14:51:40  <Stablean> <Anson> do you all buy trains or trucks without first looking at their stats, how much they cost and how much running costs they cause ?
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14:52:09  <Stablean> <pav> yes :)
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14:52:27  <Stablean> <Dixon296> no i know what trains do what
14:52:58  <Stablean> <velvet> but if you looak at these planes you see 1.300. .....
14:53:08  <Stablean> <velvet> you dont se 000 000 at the end
14:53:22  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont have an available plane
14:53:32  <Stablean> <velvet> i mean 13 000 is similar to 13000000
14:53:34  <Stablean> <Kyler>
14:53:37  <Stablean> <V453000> and in ships I see everything
14:53:48  <Stablean> <V453000> when they are available I also see everything in ships
14:53:51  <Stablean> <V453000> so idk what is a problem
14:54:01  <Stablean> <velvet> np :D
14:54:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> brb
14:54:47  <Stablean> <Anson> when i look at "available ships", i see running costs 301,056,000/yr,  nothing truncated ... the buy window should show the same
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15:06:21  <Stablean> <frutisek> can somebody donate me? just a little bit :)
15:06:55  <Stablean> <Kyler> i cant i'm repaying loan
15:07:06  <Stablean> <frutisek> :)
15:07:09  <Stablean> <frutisek> okay :)
15:07:19  <Stablean> <velvet> lol you have 200 000 per one tranport of coal and you need money.....
15:07:21  <Stablean> <Kyler> sorry :(
15:07:31  <Stablean> <Kyler> me?
15:07:37  <Stablean> <velvet> no
15:07:40  <Stablean> <velvet> frutisek
15:07:44  <Stablean> <Kyler> oh
15:07:58  <Stablean> <frutisek> its very slow at the beginning :)
15:08:22  <Stablean> <Kyler> but it gets fast quick
15:08:56  <Stablean> <frutisek> damn, terrain modifying is really expencive
15:08:58  <Stablean> <V453000> trains are cheap here
15:09:04  <Stablean> <V453000> beginning is fast
15:09:10  <Stablean> <velvet> frutiek dont do it
15:09:10  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah you cant terraform
15:09:24  <Stablean> <velvet> you can but only a little
15:09:34  <Stablean> <V453000> you cant :) in the beginning you cant
15:09:36  <Stablean> <V453000> every tile costs you one train
15:09:47  <Stablean> <Kyler> yep
15:09:53  <Stablean> <velvet>  is to make game more realisitc
15:10:07  <Stablean> <V453000> no it is not to make the game more realistic
15:10:14  <Stablean> <velvet> ?
15:10:21  <Stablean> <frutisek> i'll have to make it by my hands :)
15:10:31  <Stablean> <velvet> i read wiki
15:10:37  <Stablean> <velvet> it is more mrealistic
15:10:47  <Stablean> <V453000> god
15:10:50  <Stablean> <Kyler> that is for single player
15:11:00  <Stablean> <V453000> nothing "realistic" exists in openttd
15:11:02  <Stablean> <V453000> it is just a damn game
15:11:06  <Stablean> <velvet> ?
15:11:08  <Stablean> <V453000> with no link to reality
15:11:08  <Stablean> <velvet> no
15:11:22  <Stablean> <velvet> my room is one 2x3 tile
15:11:24  <Stablean> <V453000> terraforming costs are to make people destroy the land less. simple.
15:11:31  <Stablean> <velvet> 2x3 tiles
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15:11:41  <Stablean> <Kyler> my trains make around 200,000 a year
15:11:52  <Stablean> <Liuk Sk> hi
15:11:54  <Stablean> <Kyler> 0,000 a year
15:11:56  <Stablean> <Kyler> hi
15:12:02  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
15:12:08  <Stablean> <velvet> btw in which money do you give these values ?
15:12:14  <Stablean> <velvet> Eur USd PLN?
15:12:17  <Stablean> <Kyler> me?
15:12:20  <Stablean> <velvet> all
15:12:46  <Stablean> <velvet> which is default?
15:12:58  <Stablean> <frutisek> pounds
15:13:00  <Stablean> <V453000> just dont say values in numbers :)
15:13:12  <Stablean> <Kyler> i have us dollars
15:13:26  <Stablean> <velvet> i have polish złoty :D
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15:15:00  <Stablean> <Kyler>
15:16:22  <Dixon296> V i made a train and didnt get chance to start it and clone more could you do it for me please :)
15:16:32  <Dixon296> carnt get back on now (
15:16:40  <V453000> ?
15:17:13  <Dixon296> flenfingway farm
15:18:30  <Stablean> <Kyler> achoo-achoo
15:19:16  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm flying to virdion city :)
15:19:47  <Stablean> <velvet> lol
15:19:53  <Stablean> <velvet> where is V in alphabet?
15:20:05  <Stablean> <frutisek> what is the logic engine?
15:20:20  <Stablean> <V453000> special engine for messing with signals mostly
15:20:46  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm at sandgem town
15:21:09  <Stablean> <Kyler> for real
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15:22:43  <Stablean> <Kyler> hi
15:22:54  <Stablean> <Mazth> hi everyone!
15:23:13  <Stablean> <velvet> Hi!!1
15:23:13  <Dixon296> hi
15:23:17  <Stablean> <Kyler> guess what Mazth
15:23:43  <Stablean> <Mazth> you had your Bday and are 11 now?
15:24:11  <Stablean> <Kyler> no i made a susfully comp without anyone's help :)
15:24:26  <Stablean> <Kyler> no more loan yay
15:24:48  <Stablean> <Mazth> sounds like progress
15:25:19  <Stablean> <Kyler> yep look at all my tracks
15:25:40  <Stablean> <Kyler> lets me know if it is good?
15:26:20  <Stablean> <Mazth> try to get more than one train on a track
15:26:38  <Stablean> <V453000> crashing trains doesnt count
15:26:48  <Stablean> <Kyler> k i did that because i was low on money
15:26:53  <Dixon296> wtf bondinghead PBS and presignals Kyler
15:27:00  <Stablean> <Mazth> you have already one of those running, use it more
15:27:34  <Stablean> <Mazth> double the signals, double the awesome!
15:27:50  <Stablean> <Mazth> u r looking at a save game dixon?
15:28:09  <Dixon296> playing save yes
15:28:13  <Stablean> <Mazth> :P
15:28:17  <Dixon296> its not the same :(
15:28:22  <Stablean> <Mazth> I know
15:28:52  <Stablean> <Kyler> hey Mazth do u think its good for my age?
15:29:11  <Stablean> <velvet> how old are you?
15:29:14  <Stablean> <Kyler> 10
15:29:16  <Stablean> <Mazth> your age is irrelevant
15:29:26  <Stablean> <Kyler> what do u mean
15:30:48  <Stablean> <Kyler>
15:31:01  <Stablean> <Mazth> your age does not matter
15:31:10  <Stablean> <Kyler> oh
15:31:24  <Stablean> <Mazth> to put it bluntly
15:31:38  <Stablean> <velvet> we can say that you are better than other 10 yers old people
15:31:41  <Dixon296> my daughter is 9 and she can do prios and basic junctions
15:31:43  <Stablean> <velvet> but it changes nothing
15:32:00  <Dixon296> anyone can learn
15:32:11  <Stablean> <Kyler> i can do junctions
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15:32:44  <Dixon296> not from what i have seen
15:33:03  <Stablean> <Kyler> that was just to get money to pay off loan
15:33:19  <Stablean> <Mazth> that would change a lot velvet, it would/could give him a sense of accomplishment and suggests he is better (at something) than other 10 years olds while he is not and has not accomplished anything
15:34:07  <Stablean> <velvet> no
15:34:25  <Stablean> <velvet> there is sth diffrent
15:34:39  <Stablean> <velvet> the worst thing which may happens is that he will stop to develop himself
15:34:51  <Stablean> <Kyler> stop what
15:35:03  <Stablean> <velvet> i dont know how to say it
15:35:13  <Stablean> <velvet> develop himself :D
15:35:23  <Stablean> <velvet> make hiself better man
15:35:25  <Stablean> <Kyler> u mean stop openttd
15:35:31  <Stablean> <Kyler> ?
15:35:33  <Stablean> <velvet> :O
15:35:44  <Stablean> <velvet> <was it joke?>
15:36:02  <Stablean> <Kyler> ...this is confusing....
15:36:20  <Stablean> <velvet> sorry my englich is not pro
15:36:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> its fine
15:37:13  <Stablean> <velvet> maybe "stop developing" is better
15:37:24  <Stablean> <Mazth> I get what you mean velvet...
15:37:31  <Stablean> <Kyler> so stop openttd right?
15:37:41  <Stablean> <velvet> i dont you you have to
15:37:47  <Stablean> <velvet> i dont think you have to
15:37:58  <Stablean> <Kyler> aww if so bye
15:38:24  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm leaving for a little
15:38:30  <Stablean> <Kyler> bit bye
15:38:33  <Stablean> <velvet> lol
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15:39:19  <Stablean> <Mazth> sorry that was no well handled on my part
15:39:25  <Stablean> <Mazth> not*
15:39:43  <Stablean> <velvet> :)
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15:39:55  <Stablean> <velvet> hi again :D
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15:40:07  <Stablean> <Mazth> this is not the place to discuss things like this  esp when ppl are here themselves
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15:40:25  <Stablean> <Jim> hi
15:40:51  <Stablean> <Jim> wow who built this awasome route
15:40:55  <Stablean> <frutisek> somebody want to overtake my company?
15:41:05  <Stablean> <Jim> i'll pass
15:41:15  <Stablean> <Mazth> kyler, sorry for confusing you, you are welcome to play here
15:41:25  <Stablean> <velvet> yes you are welcome
15:41:51  <Stablean> <Jim> k brb
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15:43:28  <Stablean> <Kyler> hey V where do u get the money  to build that
15:43:54  <Stablean> *** Qwerty has started a new company (#3)
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15:45:25  <Stablean> <Kyler> i mise well leave senice i need money to build up
15:45:41  <Stablean> <frutisek> leaving company... enyone can join
15:45:47  <Stablean> <velvet> ok
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15:45:49  <Stablean> <Kyler> i have a pass
15:45:54  <Stablean> <frutisek> leaving all of you, bb, enjoy game :)
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15:46:29  <Stablean> <Kyler> thinking about ill stay
15:46:39  <Stablean> <frutisek> velvet, dont mess anything, its working like it is :)
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15:47:14  <Stablean> <Mazth> he is leaving but can't let go :)
15:47:30  <Stablean> <Kyler> i was going to ask him something
15:48:20  <Dixon296> mazth join my comp if you want :)
15:48:35  <Stablean> <Mazth> =)
15:49:11  <Stablean> <Mazth> you have a nice island again I see
15:49:43  <Dixon296> not as nice as Vs
15:49:45  <Stablean> <Mazth> peninsula rather but very close to island
15:49:54  <Dixon296> yea
15:50:05  <Stablean> <Kyler> i want to help someone so i can build up money without just sitting here
15:50:15  <Stablean> <Mazth> we could just claim it all! :P
15:50:33  <Dixon296> go on irc for pw
15:50:37  <Stablean> <Kyler> what?
15:50:43  <Stablean> <Mazth> or TF it into an island
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15:50:59  <Stablean> <Kyler> what is icr
15:51:09  <Dixon296> talking to mazth
15:51:16  <Stablean> <Kyler> oh
15:51:26  <Stablean> <Kyler> can i help someone
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15:51:36  <Stablean> <velvet> can trains stop on one station like buses?
15:51:51  <Stablean> <Kyler> ...
15:52:13  <Stablean> <Kyler> *rolls eyes*
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16:01:54  <Stablean> <Mazth> lol random...two coal drops
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16:07:36  <Mazur> !rcon move 185 255
16:07:36  <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox
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16:08:04  <Stablean> <velvet> max station length?
16:08:18  <Stablean> <Mazth> enough
16:08:27  <Dixon296> 12
16:08:34  <Stablean> <velvet> 'ok
16:08:36  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#8)
16:09:00  <Mazur> !rcon move 185 255
16:09:00  <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox
16:09:04  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Player has joined spectators
16:09:17  <Stablean> <Player> ?
16:09:50  <Stablean> *** Mazth has changed his/her name to MazthMz
16:09:52  <Stablean> <MazthMz> :)
16:09:56  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to benboyrocks
16:09:58  <Stablean> <MazthMz> working
16:09:58  <Stablean> <benboyrocks> There XD
16:10:04  <Stablean> <MazthMz> welcome
16:10:04  <Stablean> *** benboyrocks has started a new company (#3)
16:10:09  <Stablean> <benboyrocks> Thanks XD
16:13:17  <Stablean> <MazthMz> fun with donated comps :P
16:15:00  <Stablean> <MazthMz> removing the station on the island dixon :P
16:15:54  <Stablean> <MazthMz> lol TL7 and CL1
16:19:52  <Stablean> <MazthMz>  @@gap 7
16:19:53  <Webster> Stablean: (gap <trainlength> [<split>]) -- Returns minimum and maximum signal gap sizes for 2,3 and 4 linesplits with <trainlength>. If <spilt> is given it will return the gap sizes for <split> (+/-) 1.
16:20:13  <Stablean> <MazthMz>  @@(gap 7)
16:20:13  <Webster> Stablean: For Trainlength of 7: <= 13 needs 2, 14 - 22 needs 3, 23 - 31 needs 4.
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16:35:24  <Dixon296> what station mazth
16:35:54  <Stablean> <MazthMz> there was a station of yeloow that shared the coal drop
16:36:05  <Stablean> <MazthMz> he abandoned his comp
16:36:12  <Dixon296> kk ty
16:36:59  <Dixon296> has it gone now?
16:37:09  <Stablean> <MazthMz> yup
16:38:15  <Stablean> <MazthMz> gave him a nice roro drop and a lot of tunnels :P
16:40:05  <Stablean> <velvet> city dont like me ;o
16:40:25  <Stablean> <MazthMz> let them eat trees!
16:44:31  <Stablean> <V453000> someone has the new strong trains for testing yet?
16:44:53  <Stablean> <MazthMz> I can test :)
16:44:57  <Stablean> <velvet> can you tell me what accept these testings?
16:45:04  <Stablean> <velvet> cost it sth?
16:45:10  <Stablean> <MazthMz> just playing around with this adaopted comp
16:45:32  <Stablean> <velvet> can you tell me what if i accept these testings?
16:45:47  <Stablean> <V453000> you get an engine a year earlier than other companies?
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16:46:01  <Stablean> <velvet> and waht if i do not accept?
16:46:04  <Stablean> <V453000> you dont?
16:46:11  <Stablean> <velvet> there is a button....
16:46:18  <Stablean> <MazthMz> and logics wins again!
16:46:54  <Stablean> <V453000> looks like a big loss for them this time Mazth
16:47:18  <Stablean> <velvet> i didnt have this offer now :)
16:47:20  <Stablean> <MazthMz> when you do, you do and when you don't, you don't
16:47:30  <Stablean> <MazthMz> sounds like win to me
16:47:32  <Stablean> <velvet> does it cost money?
16:47:39  <Stablean> <V453000> and I have it for testing so screw you all :p
16:47:58  <Stablean> <MazthMz> I have tl7 to test it with :P
16:48:28  <Stablean> <MazthMz> and I can check if they are afraid in the dark with udels of tunnels
16:49:22  <Stablean> <V453000> jeez Anson why use that overflow :d
16:49:48  <Stablean> <MazthMz> looks pro?
16:49:54  <Stablean> <V453000> no?
16:50:04  <Stablean> <MazthMz> then I don't know why :P
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16:51:02  <Stablean> <MazthMz> it is clear that it would block the rest of the network
16:51:52  <Stablean> <MazthMz> looks functional
16:52:03  <Stablean> <V453000> functional but bad
16:52:21  <Stablean> <T3K> Hi, got a question here... industrial Trams are from HEQ newgrf ?
16:52:27  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
16:52:41  <Stablean> <T3K> okty, pretty sweet for feeders or short run
16:53:20  <Stablean> <V453000> trains ftw.
16:53:32  <Stablean> <MazthMz> trams ftc!
16:53:38  <Stablean> <MazthMz> (for the cuteness)
16:53:44  <Stablean> <T3K> xD
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17:03:29  <Stablean> <MazthMz> V453000:  uni wagon just refits to the flat bed, hopper and taker wagon right?
17:03:39  <Stablean> <V453000> pretty much
17:03:45  <Stablean> <V453000> there can be differences
17:04:00  <Stablean> <V453000> for example 1st gen hoppers do have randomized stripes
17:04:02  <Stablean> <V453000> univ doesnt
17:04:40  <Stablean> <V453000> and if you have for example livestock, univ will look like flatbed, not tanker
17:06:48  <Stablean> <MazthMz> okay, I ll shall look around from time to time to see which ones I like best :)
17:07:00  <Stablean> <V453000> the differences are tiny
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17:07:12  <Stablean> <Mazth> hmm okay
17:07:19  <Stablean> <V453000> and only on 1st and 2nd gen for rail (so far)
17:07:33  <Stablean> <V453000> other wagons dont have any stripes or such
17:09:31  <Stablean> <V453000> how does one bankrupt with nuts
17:09:33  <Stablean> <V453000> really
17:09:56  <Stablean> <Mazth> I wonder indeed
17:11:47  <Stablean> <Mazth> did you change stuff to the strong engines that it needs testing?
17:11:57  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
17:12:29  <Stablean> <Mazth> or was it just about the early offer?
17:12:35  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh that
17:12:39  <Stablean> <V453000> early offer, of course
17:12:53  <Stablean> <V453000> only maglev is affected by latest changes
17:12:59  <Stablean> <Mazth> well they are doing work for tl7 coal trains :P
17:13:01  <Stablean> <V453000> well monorail too a bit
17:26:40  <Stablean> <velvet> ops
17:27:12  <Stablean> <V453000> yay
17:28:21  <Stablean> <Mazth> pfft this comp does not even make enough money to tf nonstop
17:28:35  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> be backe later
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17:28:53  <Stablean> <Anson> happy, can you please help me before you leave ?
17:28:59  <Stablean> <V453000> its owner is too good to tf all the time ;)
17:29:41  <Stablean> <Mazth> it was left abandoned so I adopted it so it can grow until it can stand on his own
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17:30:58  <BiG_MeEcH> hi hi
17:31:03  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
17:31:21  <BiG_MeEcH> world airliners?
17:31:39  <Stablean> <Mazth> I asked dixon to add some nice planes and boats
17:31:40  <BiG_MeEcH> nuts 2.0 ?
17:31:54  <BiG_MeEcH> you mean you asked V453000
17:32:04  <BiG_MeEcH> unless Dixon is admin now xD
17:32:27  <Stablean> <Mazth> dixon made map
17:32:28  <Stablean> <V453000> dixon just made a map and I left that set there
17:32:32  <BiG_MeEcH> neat
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17:32:48  <BiG_MeEcH> big map
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17:33:07  <Stablean> <Mazth> seed turned out nice
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17:33:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> v should name your company holy shit transport xD
17:33:59  <Stablean> <V453000> ..
17:34:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Anson: you should add a company password
17:34:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Mazth: you too =P
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17:35:12  <Stablean> <Mazth> I am here because it had no pw :P
17:35:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> aaah
17:35:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> then the network should be really good
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17:35:46  <Stablean> <Mazth> fun id say
17:35:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> got enoguh tunnels ?
17:35:59  <Stablean> <velvet> Anson?
17:36:02  <Stablean> <Mazth> I adopted it for a while
17:36:20  <Stablean> <Mazth> and dubbed it East Austr Coal n Tunnels :P
17:36:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> aww
17:36:49  <Stablean> <V453000> <3
17:36:55  <Stablean> <Mazth> hehe
17:37:07  <BiG_MeEcH> was that a steel toed boot ?
17:37:17  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
17:37:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> might want to rub it off
17:37:33  <Stablean> <Mazth> V only uses steelplate greaves
17:37:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont think V did it ;)
17:37:46  <Stablean> <Mazth> full steel boot
17:37:49  <Stablean> <V453000> I think he did
17:37:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
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17:38:21  <Stablean> <V453000> that idiot cant talk nor play by rules
17:38:21  <Stablean> <V453000> so
17:38:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, I thought you had a problem with russians ;)
17:38:38  <Stablean> <V453000> well that is another thing
17:38:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
17:38:48  <Stablean> <Mazth> lolled
17:39:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> their flag is the wrong color
17:39:17  <Stablean> <V453000> well they also are on the wrong planet
17:39:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> mars ?
17:39:45  <Stablean> <V453000> no unfortunately this one
17:40:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ha
17:40:42  <Stablean> <V453000> btw
17:40:48  <Stablean> <V453000> there is a super secret maglev cargo
17:40:50  <Stablean> <V453000> find it
17:41:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> boobies
17:41:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> super secret nyan cat cargo ?
17:42:01  <Stablean> <V453000> there isnt nyan cat
17:42:07  <Stablean> <V453000> anywhere
17:42:10  <Stablean> <V453000> actually never was.
17:42:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
17:44:23  <Stablean> <velvet> arrgh these cities are annoying
17:44:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> shoosh em with godzilla feet
17:45:20  <Stablean> <V453000> godzilla dozer isnt on :p
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17:45:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> shame
17:47:29  <Stablean> <Mazth> maglev super secret stash can be uncovered during this game?
17:47:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think its boobies, or nyan cat
17:47:49  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
17:47:52  <Stablean> <Mazth> does not need a specific climate?
17:48:07  <Stablean> <V453000> well it is on one specific cargo so it ofc does need a specific climate
17:48:34  <Stablean> <V453000> well I could make something appear in multiple cargoes, but this is in one cargo
17:48:40  <Stablean> <Mazth> kk
17:49:11  <Stablean> <V453000> the probability for it to appear is quite low so I will let you search :)
17:49:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> its clearly nyan cat revenge
17:50:13  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont know any nyan cat
17:50:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I do, it was in nuts 1.9
17:50:40  <Stablean> <V453000> dont remember that far behind
17:50:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I do <3
17:51:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> man, fixing happy's signals is a lot of work
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17:51:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i give up
17:51:59  <Stablean> <Mazth> lol
17:52:31  <Stablean> <V453000> you cant join me because your memory is stupidly long.
17:52:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I cant
17:52:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> even though I have the password
17:53:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> my memory is 32-bit
17:53:12  <Stablean> <V453000> passwords are overrated
17:53:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> is that the password ?
17:54:51  <Stablean> <V453000> this is going to end up as major cl mess anyway
17:55:25  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looked ok to me
17:55:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> worry about CL later =P
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17:55:58  <Stablean> <V453000> unless it is in critical spots on the network, CL is one of the most stupidly overstressed rules imo
17:56:00  <Stablean> <Mazth> wut wut crawlers are crawling :P
17:56:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
17:56:25  <Stablean> <Big Meech> howd you connect em ?
17:56:27  <Stablean> <V453000> really
17:56:41  <Stablean> <V453000> omg
17:57:04  <Stablean> <Mazth> they are just bumping into eachother
17:57:04  <Stablean> <V453000> I just hate heqs for the slow vehicles
17:57:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
17:57:04  <Stablean> <Mazth> not connected
17:57:04  <Stablean> <Mazth> I wanted to check m out
17:57:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> bulldozers mess up the roads though
17:57:32  <Stablean> <Mazth> keeps the streets clean
17:58:15  <Stablean> <Mazth> man even sled or wheeled refits :S
17:59:09  <Stablean> <Mazth> oh nice never noticed the machines turning on on the mines
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18:07:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> forklift ftw
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18:08:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> shame the forklift cant haul passengers
18:08:23  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i usuaully ride those =S
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18:08:38  <Stablean> <Mazth> that would be cool :)
18:08:40  <BiG_MeEcH> hi Dixon
18:08:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 1 pax per fork
18:08:55  <Stablean> <Mazth> with little pixels on the forks
18:09:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
18:09:24  <Stablean> <V453000> red pixels at best right
18:09:54  <Stablean> <V453000> forkliftageddon
18:10:24  <Stablean> <Mazth> yh these other RVs are boring
18:10:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
18:10:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> have giant saws put where the forks are
18:11:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I like watching the smoke come out of the vehicles
18:12:10  <Stablean> <Mazth> ah brown smoke :P
18:12:52  <Stablean> <V453000> I was surprised that meech would like anything that doesnt impersonate shit
18:13:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> =S
18:13:37  <Stablean> *** Kyler joined the game
18:13:42  <Stablean> <Kyler> hey
18:13:52  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
18:13:54  <Stablean> <Kyler> jezz V
18:13:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi
18:14:01  <Stablean> <Kyler> that amazing
18:14:15  <Stablean> <V453000> just mess
18:14:25  <Stablean> <Mazth> but BOB...that's amaaaazing!
18:14:43  <Stablean> <Kyler> to me that looks like a masterpice
18:15:02  <BiG_MeEcH> V453000 had help from satan concoting that mess
18:15:48  <Stablean> <Kyler> *Sure he did
18:15:50  <Stablean> <Kyler> not
18:15:52  <Dixon296> can we call him V453666 now then
18:16:00  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
18:16:03  <Stablean> *** V453000 has changed his/her name to V453666
18:16:08  <Dixon296> lol
18:16:09  <BiG_MeEcH> haha omhg
18:16:20  <Dixon296> thats better
18:16:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> really really not better worse
18:16:37  <Stablean> <Mazth> take this zombies! forkliftgaddon
18:16:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> go gadget forklift
18:17:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you need more forklifts
18:17:13  <Stablean> <Kyler> ... this is getting awakarder my the min
18:17:15  <Stablean> <V453666> carmageddon was actually my fav game when I was 10 ^^
18:17:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> carmageddon was good shit
18:17:27  <Stablean> <Mazth> faster my minions
18:17:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> there was a guy named Vlad
18:17:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> adn there was a dragster of death
18:17:44  <Stablean> <Kyler> well im not one of ur minuns
18:17:46  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
18:18:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> id go and put crazy spikes on the front of my car and hit as many people as I could in Carma
18:18:24  <Stablean> *** ronnochopper joined the game
18:18:28  <Stablean> <V453666> :d
18:18:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I guess they are trying to port carmageddon onto PSP or a phone, Iread about it
18:18:55  <Stablean> <Kyler> i dont think i would like that game
18:19:03  <Stablean> <Mazth> awwwh only 10 rvs limit
18:19:17  <Stablean> <V453666> big map
18:19:27  <Stablean> <Mazth> hmhm
18:19:27  <Stablean> <Kyler> can u peeps just build
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18:19:43  <Stablean> <Mazth> I could
18:19:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, Carmageddon : Reincarnation due out in 2013
18:19:55  <Stablean> <V453666> he had a big problem with us talking I guess
18:19:57  <Stablean> <V453666> what?
18:20:13  <BiG_MeEcH>
18:20:14  <Webster> Title: Carmageddon: Reincarnation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
18:20:23  <Stablean> <V453666> holy motherfucker
18:20:38  <Stablean> <V453666> brutality comes to town again
18:20:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> did you have 3dfx voodoo back in the day V ?
18:20:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> cuz carmageddon was compatable
18:20:56  <Stablean> <V453666> I dont think so, dont quite know
18:21:06  <Stablean> <Mazth> ?
18:21:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 3dfx added more splatter with sprites and stuff
18:21:28  <Stablean> <velvet> sign
18:21:50  <Stablean> <Mazth> let me guess waiting trains block far away station
18:22:58  <Stablean> <Mazth> oh
18:23:13  <Stablean> <Mazth> errr read the wiki on signals?
18:23:20  <Stablean> <velvet> no
18:23:24  <Stablean> <velvet> wil try
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18:31:00  <Stablean> <Mazth> lol bye bye coal mine =(
18:31:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you should have sent more forklifts
18:31:20  <Stablean> <Mazth> indeed!
18:31:34  <Stablean> <Mazth> these snakes are useless!
18:31:45  <Stablean> <Mazth> I ll sent them to the deep dark carverns
18:31:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
18:32:00  <Stablean> <Mazth> I was short on tunnels anyway
18:33:30  <Stablean> <Mazth> no I don t want an oil ref
18:33:33  <Stablean> <Mazth> beat it!
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18:40:12  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  hi how things going
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18:40:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Hello Happy Transport
18:42:13  <Stablean> <Mazth> wtf tunnels engaged
18:50:19  <Stablean> <V453666> bubye steamers
18:50:37  <Stablean> <pav> bb :)
18:50:43  <Stablean> <Mazth> ciaoooo
18:52:23  <Stablean> <velvet> i go, bye
18:52:29  <Stablean> *** velvet has left the game (leaving)
18:52:29  <Stablean> <V453666> cya
18:52:31  <Stablean> <pav> bb
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19:03:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> be back later
19:03:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> afk
19:03:38  <Stablean> <V453666> cya
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19:03:48  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
19:03:50  <Stablean> <V453666> ...
19:04:00  <Stablean> <V453666> afk nicks are just stupid
19:04:06  <Stablean> <Big_Meech_Afk> lol
19:04:18  <Stablean> *** Big_Meech_Afk has changed his/her name to Big_Meech_shut_up_v
19:04:20  <Stablean> <Big_Meech_shut_up_v> xD
19:04:31  <Stablean> <Big_Meech_shut_up_v> <3
19:04:38  <Stablean> <V453666> makes sense at least
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19:07:17  <Stablean> <Anson> happy, did you see how i squeezed my line between yours ? .-)
19:07:30  <Stablean> <V453666> lol
19:07:32  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  yep i did
19:07:47  <Stablean> <V453666> big bottleneck fight right there
19:08:05  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  yep
19:09:13  <Stablean> <Anson> do you use the farm ? do you need to extend it (second station for grain or something) ?
19:09:47  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  i yep but i can not ade eney mor trans
19:10:35  <Stablean> <Anson> the depot and the two slopes at 3 neighboring tiles cause big problems ... should we improve that, eg by lifting one tile at "?up"
19:11:10  <Stablean> <V453666> why dont you just cross the MLs sonewhere else
19:11:16  <Stablean> <V453666> like at Caninghall
19:13:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i have wood stations directly to the south and north of that location, and a crossing near caninghall wouldn't be much easier, with all tracks spaced like they are now
19:14:20  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  heem i got to finde a way makeing my tran trake beter
19:15:50  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, that line looks like it was built when you had no money for TF :-)
19:16:48  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  i got muney but i am not ver good whive  tran trake
19:17:11  <Stablean> <Anson> look at my sign "TF: ...."
19:17:57  <Stablean> <Anson> when you lower that edge at the coal mine, you also can avoid a few more curves to the east
19:18:35  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  yep
19:18:57  <Dixon296> happy is your pw yhe same?
19:19:11  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
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19:19:26  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  hi chris
19:19:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi happy tran sport
19:19:35  <Dixon296> i will do some for you later
19:19:50  <Dixon296> hey CB
19:19:52  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  ok thanks dixon
19:19:56  <Dixon296> hows you
19:20:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the new Gen1  Flatbed have bad alignments V453000
19:20:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Hi Dixon I am good thanks
19:20:23  <Stablean> <V453666> no they dont
19:20:23  <Dixon296> gd gd
19:20:25  <Stablean> <V453666> trains do
19:20:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes they do
19:20:33  <Stablean> <V453666> or what do you mean
19:20:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they look to low compaers to the train
19:21:09  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> compared
19:21:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> have a look at your train 81
19:22:01  <Stablean> <V453666> yes as I said
19:22:27  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you think the trains are to high?
19:23:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I think they look like the chav that owns a 90's BWM 318, who live 4 doors down from me and has slamed it to the road as he put it
19:24:15  <Stablean> <V453666> yes I think those trains have a different template to sit is quite likely in fact
19:24:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and I told him it looked stupid, and to stop parking it in my parking space, or I would crush his car
19:24:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> which he didn't like
19:24:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> stupid chav
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19:30:41  <Stablean> <Anson> happy, my idea for a "straighter" route is marked with L and R for the LR line
19:31:27  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  that is a good
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19:55:07  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  amson won ov your forest has just gon
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20:32:18  <Stablean> <V453666> 2nd gen wagons \o/
20:33:02  <Stablean> <pav> can we replace vagons automatically ?
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20:35:02  <Stablean> <Kyler> the years are going by slow
20:35:09  <Stablean> <V453666> lol
20:35:15  <Stablean> <V453666> about as quickly as always
20:35:39  <Dixon296> it dosent change :D
20:35:42  <Stablean> <Kyler> i got new headphones
20:35:53  <Stablean> <V453666> I just ordered new ^^
20:36:19  <Stablean> <Kyler> i'm watching a live stream
20:36:21  <Dixon296> i use my DJ headphones
20:36:43  <Stablean> <V453666> dj headphones?
20:37:13  <Stablean> <Kyler> what acceps goods?
20:37:23  <Stablean> <V453666> those are mainly having noise guards dont they
20:37:25  <Dixon296> what i use for djing
20:37:27  <Stablean> <V453666> towns Kyler
20:37:27  <Stablean> <pav> cities
20:37:37  <Stablean> <V453666> oh :) mr dj
20:37:38  <Dixon296> yes
20:37:47  <Dixon296> technics
20:37:56  <Dixon296> £120
20:38:12  <Stablean> <V453666> you could tell me what do you think about sennheiser hd 518 then
20:38:47  <Dixon296> good make never owned any
20:38:59  <Stablean> <V453666> right :)
20:39:42  <Stablean> <V453666> how come you can be on irc but not in game? :o
20:39:55  <Dixon296> pioneer are my favs
20:40:11  <Stablean> <V453666> I got good experience with sennheiser
20:40:21  <Stablean> <V453666> havent really changed since
20:40:36  <Dixon296> they are well rated
20:41:04  <Stablean> <V453666> I also think that in their price ranges they beat all others ... but I havent of course owned that many others
20:41:11  <Stablean> <V453666> for the prices, I am very satisfied
20:41:27  <Dixon296> how much you pay?
20:41:47  <Stablean> <V453666> I bought eh150 about 5 years ago for just about 30 euro
20:41:47  <Dixon296> i have seen some at £190
20:41:52  <Stablean> <V453666> and splendid.
20:41:58  <Stablean> <V453666> for the price
20:42:13  <Stablean> <V453666> and about a year ago I bought ie6 for almost 100 euro
20:42:15  <Dixon296> not bad
20:42:20  <Stablean> <V453666> and utterly awesome
20:42:27  <Stablean> <V453666> I have no words
20:42:37  <Stablean> <Kyler> bye
20:42:39  <Stablean> <V453666> cya
20:42:45  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  by
20:42:47  <Dixon296> you get what you pay for :D
20:42:50  <Stablean> <Kyler> going swiming
20:42:52  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah for sure
20:43:05  <Dixon296> and last longer
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20:43:17  <BiG_MeEcH> I last a long time on cialis
20:43:24  <BiG_MeEcH> Cialis, the breakfast of champions
20:43:28  <Dixon296> ey up hes here
20:43:30  <Dixon296> :P
20:43:32  <Stablean> <V453666> I bought some other brand before I bought the ie6 ...  I dont know if it was a china copy, the price seemed right. But they were SO much worse
20:43:59  <Dixon296> yea need to buy a good brand with things like that
20:44:35  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah
20:44:45  <Stablean> <V453666> I just read a lot of reviews before I buy the stuff
20:44:55  <Stablean> <V453666> and everybody was like it is unmatched for the 30euro price
20:44:59  <Stablean> <V453666> but damn
20:45:00  <BiG_MeEcH> sennheiser sounds like a draft beer
20:45:20  <Dixon296> i payed £35 for some from an electrical shop
20:45:22  <BiG_MeEcH> or malt liquor
20:45:26  <Dixon296> they lasted 2 weeks
20:45:37  <BiG_MeEcH> you're talking about headphones?
20:45:38  <Stablean> <V453666> so in the end instead of 30 I paid 100 and got uber great earphones :D satisfied.
20:45:58  <BiG_MeEcH> I have tape holding the connection toget her on my headset to keep the sound from not going out
20:46:08  <Stablean> <V453666> lol
20:46:19  <BiG_MeEcH> I already busted it open and fixed it with a soldering gun but apparently it didnt work so good
20:46:19  <Dixon296> then i bought my technics
20:46:27  <Stablean> <V453666> you could just tape a big note over it "FUCK YOU EVERYBODY"
20:46:33  <Stablean> <V453666> and play full volume
20:46:39  <BiG_MeEcH> I already got that and play Skrillex
20:46:47  <Stablean> <V453666> omfg you listen to skrillex?
20:46:52  <BiG_MeEcH> a bit
20:46:55  <Stablean> * V453666 doesnt know who Meech is.
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20:47:07  <BiG_MeEcH> or nyan cat
20:47:11  <BiG_MeEcH> I like this though : Benny_Benassi_ft._Gary_Go_-_Cinema_Skrillex_Remix
20:47:26  <V453000> gawd
20:47:29  <BiG_MeEcH> I dont like some of his stuff
20:47:32  <V453000> listen to some real music like metal for instance
20:47:34  <V453000> :P
20:47:36  <BiG_MeEcH> I do
20:47:51  <Stablean> <V453666> we talked about this before I thinks
20:47:54  <BiG_MeEcH> Travma =P
20:47:55  <BiG_MeEcH> yeap
20:47:59  <Stablean> <V453666> ooh yes
20:48:03  <Stablean> <V453666> travma good too
20:48:11  <BiG_MeEcH> skrillex bad xD
20:48:17  <Stablean> <V453666> it is!
20:48:23  <Stablean> <V453666> dubdub wtf
20:48:40  <BiG_MeEcH> have you ever played Chilren of Eden or Rez on a console?
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20:48:50  <Stablean> <V453666> no I dont have a console
20:49:07  <BiG_MeEcH> dubstep reminds me of those 2 video games actually
20:49:46  <Stablean> <V453666> for safety reasons I wont investigate futher
20:50:05  <BiG_MeEcH> those 2 are rythm games
20:50:19  <Stablean> <V453666> dubstep is rythmic?
20:50:27  <BiG_MeEcH> at times
20:50:29  <Stablean> <V453666> or in other words, it makes any sense at all?
20:50:50  <Dixon296> its just noise :P
20:50:54  <Stablean> <V453666> it sounds like a particularly angry cat
20:50:58  <Dixon296> lol
20:51:01  <BiG_MeEcH> check this out V
20:51:02  <BiG_MeEcH>
20:51:03  <Webster> Title: Rez HD Area 5 Gameplay - YouTube (at
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20:51:41  <Speedy> a new map :o
20:51:49  <Stablean> <V453666> looks psycho meech
20:51:49  <BiG_MeEcH> yep
20:51:54  <BiG_MeEcH> thanks! =D
20:52:16  <Dixon296> can someone upgrade my engines and wagons plz?
20:52:25  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> sure
20:52:30  <Dixon296> ty
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20:52:37  <Stablean> <V453666> your company is doomed Dixon
20:52:54  <Dixon296> why
20:52:55  <BiG_MeEcH> what do you want to upg to ?
20:52:58  <Dixon296> why ?
20:52:58  <Speedy> Im with my 7" tab here
20:53:01  <Stablean> <V453666> cuz meech.
20:53:17  <Dixon296> ohhhhh
20:53:20  <Dixon296> :P
20:53:30  <Dixon296> cya all in a bit
20:53:34  <Stablean> <V453666> see you
20:53:41  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  by
20:53:50  <Speedy> bitlemeech
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20:54:40  <BiG_MeEcH> ?
20:54:59  <Speedy> just came in my miond after few beers
20:55:14  <Speedy> Mind
20:55:15  <BiG_MeEcH> ha, lots of things do
20:55:52  <Speedy> it is dark in here and no light on my kb
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21:00:28  <Speedy> o-ou, must go cya
21:00:58  <BiG_MeEcH> o-ou ;) seeya
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21:14:52  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Mr. Digital: As opposed to Mr. Analog ?
21:15:19  <Stablean> <Mr. Digital> Nope
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21:39:51  <Stablean> <velvet> really
21:40:41  <Stablean> <pav> so  its how quickly you can collect and process materials ..
21:41:07  <Stablean> <pav> no, but we have limit from 10 bus only ...
21:41:30  <Stablean> <velvet> 10 vehicles ?
21:41:32  <Stablean> <velvet> lol
21:53:55  <Stablean> <pav> where ?
21:56:37  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> velvet tran 24 the carg is not wood
21:56:56  <Stablean> <velvet> w8
21:57:11  <Stablean> <pav> I try to change it
21:58:39  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thats beter
21:58:49  <Stablean> <pav> :)
21:59:19  <Stablean> <pav> I was in chat , so cant manage to change them for a while :)
21:59:41  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  ok
22:05:19  <Stablean> <pav> its ok if you have  not very much trains, but  with a lot trains  you need more space for them .
22:05:45  <Stablean> <Anson> my maintenance is done (stomach filled with late night dinner :-) ... now i have questions about maintenance in OTTD ...
22:06:13  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, breakdowns are off and thus maintenance usually is not done either
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22:07:23  <Stablean> <Anson> but can i set maintenance myself ? ... turning if off (in other games; and besides setting it to 800 days or something) ?
22:08:45  <Stablean> <V453666> trains wont service anyway
22:09:11  <Stablean> <Anson> and what about sending trains to a depot for autoreplace ... is there some method to only tell them to do a maintenance according to schedule (order list) or something like that, or can i only tell them ALL at the same time to go for maintenance immediately ?
22:10:51  <Stablean> <Anson> in some offline game (with breakdowns off!) some trains went to depots when i set up auroreplace. i had the impression that they did it at a time when their service intervall had reached the given value (800 days)
22:11:57  <Stablean> <Anson> and someplace (don't remember where), i read that trains don't do maintenance (no matter what breakdowns are set to) when maintenance commands are in the order list ...
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22:32:17  <Stablean> <Chootrattanarood> hiii
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22:42:13  <Stablean> <nicfer> island of blessed excrements, lool
22:45:09  <Stablean> <V453666> blame meech
22:45:19  <Stablean> <Cameron> :)
22:47:37  <Stablean> <nicfer> one fast engine is enough for TL3?
22:49:15  <Stablean> <nicfer> let's see
22:52:03  <Stablean> <V453666> no :)
22:52:05  <Stablean> <V453666> 2
22:52:52  <Stablean> <nicfer> well, it reaches max speed at least
22:54:43  <Stablean> <Anson> currently, I am using TL3 and one engine ... it reaches max speed, but filled wagons and/or even a minor slope reduces max speed and/or causes it to accelerate very slowly
22:55:49  <Stablean> <Anson> if you have no heavy freight, no big slopes, and a long distance without crossings (merges), 1 engine should be enough, but else ....
22:56:00  <Stablean> <V453666> about that :D
22:56:58  <Stablean> <Anson> old question: how do i replace one engine by two engines ? :-) ... old answer: by hand, not autoreplace, correct ? :-(
22:57:44  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
22:59:00  <Stablean> <Anson> btw : i recently tried the opposite ... i had trains with two engines and wanted to remove one of them
22:59:10  <Stablean> <V453666> that doesnt work either
22:59:44  <Stablean> <Anson> i had hoped that it would be easy by creating trains with one engine at each end and 5 short wagions in between ...
23:00:43  <Stablean> <Anson> then replacing wagons with longer wagons so that "car removal" removes the last item, thus one of the engines ... it didn't work
23:01:01  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah I see what you mean, but ineed doesnt :)
23:01:20  <Stablean> <Anson> the engines stayed, and the last WAGON (not the last item) was removed
23:01:34  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
23:01:44  <Stablean> <V453666> actually
23:01:48  <Stablean> <V453666> I think the front gets removed
23:01:54  <Stablean> <V453666> but not exactly sure atm
23:02:26  <Stablean> <Anson> the last wagon ... i used it successfully to remove brake vans ... AFAIR
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23:03:12  <Stablean> <V453666> it is the front
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23:03:44  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah
23:03:47  <Stablean> <V453666> look !here
23:04:10  <Stablean> <V453666> 5 wagons in front
23:04:12  <Stablean> <V453666> 3 in rear
23:04:15  <Stablean> <Anson> then i probably have done something else at the same time, like also replacing brake vans with normal wagons --> first wagon removed, another added at the end ... looks the same although it worked differently
23:04:26  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah I dont know
23:05:08  <Stablean> <V453666> but I know that when I played with original train set, and wanted to end with TL5 asiastars with the engines like engine, 3 wagons, engine, 3 wagons, engine, then I had to make engine, 5 wagons, engine, 3 wagons so it would autoreplace to that
23:05:24  <Stablean> <V453666> which clearly is front :)
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23:08:59  <Stablean> <Anson> it would be nice if the autoreplace window would have the same sorting options as the buy window, so that it would be easier to find the newest or the fastest engines
23:09:18  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah
23:09:24  <Stablean> <V453666> these filters and stuff would be really great
23:09:40  <Stablean> <Anson> of yourse, it is no problem for you, V, since you know the details of all engines without need to look them up :-)
23:09:47  <Stablean> <V453666> with nuts I am ok as I know which engine has which ID, but ...
23:09:53  <Stablean> <V453666> it is sorted by IDs
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23:10:09  <Stablean> <V453666> and IDs are sorted by classes
23:10:31  <Stablean> <V453666> so superstrong - strong - medium -fast - ice - local
23:10:35  <Stablean> <V453666> rail - mono - maglev
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23:10:47  <Stablean> <Anson> even when you know the ID, it currently is some work to scroll to the correct position instead of simply sorting by speed and taking the first/last engine
23:10:54  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah sure
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23:11:24  <Stablean> <V453666> but specifically in nuts, I dont know of filters that would filter off the one you want
23:11:26  <Stablean> <V453666> hi Dixon296
23:11:36  <Stablean> <Dixon296> hi
23:11:54  <Stablean> <Anson> in "old times" the problem was smaller, but now there is an option to always keep old engines and thus the list grows and grows and grows
23:12:00  <Stablean> <V453666> hehe
23:12:07  <Stablean> <V453666> well you can still let trains expire
23:12:13  <Stablean> <V453666> idk how that works with nuts though
23:12:48  <Stablean> <V453666> all trains have vehicle_never_expires so I guess it basically doesnt
23:12:58  <Stablean> <V453666> but havent tried
23:13:16  <Stablean> <V453666> it is just broken when you notice that you cant buy some trains anymore
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23:15:10  <Stablean> <Anson> btw : when something is changed at the "comment" part in the buy and replace windows, it would be nice to get some more important info ... like length and cargo per tile :-)
23:15:36  <Stablean> <V453666> in nuts length is the same
23:15:51  <Stablean> <V453666> cargo per tile is then 50% of the actual capacity
23:15:53  <Stablean> <Anson> i had hoped that 1.2 would have such a feature since there was work on that part of the windows, but my hope failed
23:16:44  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, default size half a tile ... but if it isn't, the window should give hints
23:17:02  <Stablean> <V453666> idk, I think small wagon sizes are cute but unpractical
23:17:08  <Stablean> <V453666> but yeah I guess that would be nice
23:17:35  <Stablean> <Anson> without those hints, i always need to build a "test train" first, for all available wagons ... lots of work and you have made the first million while i still test the first train :-) :-(
23:17:46  <Stablean> <V453666> pretty much
23:18:00  <Stablean> <V453666> I dont really play with other sets, or I already know which wagon is good when
23:18:14  <Stablean> <V453666> but I can see such a feature being very useful
23:18:16  <Stablean> <nicfer> can I prove something at '!pav'?
23:18:22  <Stablean> <V453666> but you know ... it isnt so simply
23:18:29  <Stablean> <V453666> for example for TL3
23:18:35  <Stablean> <Anson> by doing those tests, i found that some GRF have really strange lengths ... not 0.5, but neither exactly 0.3 or 0.4 either
23:18:45  <Stablean> <V453666> you could fit X wagons of the larger one, but unfortunately the same amount of the smaller eones
23:18:55  <Stablean> <V453666> despite teh smaller ones having bigger amount of cargo/tile
23:19:05  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
23:19:20  <Stablean> <V453666> it isnt in 0.1s either, always units of 1/8
23:19:34  <Stablean> <V453666> or 1/16 I think
23:20:36  <Stablean> <Anson> then it would be best to give not "length in tiles", but only a relative length, like 4 for normal wagons, 8 for double length, etc
23:20:37  <Stablean> <V453666> I solved my issue with having all wagons of the same lenght :p
23:20:55  <Stablean> <V453666> well mosts sets have like 3/8 or similar values
23:20:57  <Stablean> <Anson> if possible !!!!!
23:21:00  <Stablean> <V453666> 5/8 is common I think
23:21:04  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah :D
23:22:56  <Stablean> <V453666> I dont care about some new no9 crawler I want a new strong train.
23:23:31  <Stablean> <Anson> and another improvement for the buy window : when i gave filtered by type, selecting eg rubber, i would like bought wagons to be automatically (maybe with an option to enable this feature in the settings) refit to the filter, and not bought as oil tankers which have problems loading anything if i forget to refit the train which i selected with the rubber filter
23:23:50  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah I thought of that a few times too actually
23:25:00  <Stablean> <V453666> there we go
23:25:10  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, combine all that with the replace window : a filter could help to select the wagon i want ... now i sometimes get 100 wagons to select from when the old wagon is "can be refitted to everything"
23:25:16  <Stablean> <V453666> few swear words and vehicle manufacturers bow
23:25:38  <Stablean> <Dixon296> new train ?
23:25:40  <Stablean> <V453666> ye
23:26:23  <Stablean> <nicfer> at my test area in !pav, sometimes at 'doesn't slows down'  it sometimes slows the train in other server
23:26:50  <Stablean> <V453666> depends on train length?
23:27:09  <Stablean> <V453666> the only option that could influence that is original acceleration
23:28:31  <Stablean> <Anson> LOL ... a rail truck :-) ... one more item where i have to test which type of rail it needs, how long it is, whether and which wagons can be attached, etc
23:29:05  <Stablean> <V453666> anything can attach I guess
23:29:35  <Stablean> <Anson> a WILD guess :-)
23:29:57  <Stablean> <Anson> 2 days ago, i had problems attaching a brake van to a train
23:30:11  <Stablean> <V453666> well trains can have various conditions of attaching
23:30:22  <Stablean> <V453666> for example nuts engines cant attach anything that isnt explicitly allowed
23:30:52  <Stablean> <Anson> needed to experiment : japanese engines with japanese wagons require a japanese brake van
23:31:19  <Stablean> <V453666> ah, sure
23:31:34  <Stablean> <Anson> another brake van was not accepted (could be attached, but train didn't leave depot) ...
23:31:40  <Stablean> <V453666> sure
23:31:51  <Stablean> <V453666> because the set works with its own brake van which it detect
23:32:06  <Stablean> <V453666> like a condition "if wagon with id XX is in consist, let train go out of depot"
23:32:08  <Stablean> <Anson> but the same wagons needed no brake van at all when another engine besides the japanese engines was used
23:32:16  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
23:32:26  <Stablean> <V453666> because the condidion is only for japanese engines
23:32:56  <Stablean> <V453666> I am just guessing how could the set be coded, but I think I am not far from truth
23:33:18  <Stablean> <Anson> for a non-grf programmer, it is not very logical that the wagons say "brake van needed", but really don't need a brake van when the engine is from another set
23:33:49  <Stablean> <V453666> idk it made sense to be even before I coded anything :)
23:34:27  <Stablean> <V453666> luckily each tarin set usually has some graphical style so you can easily distinguis which is which
23:34:53  <Stablean> <Anson> when the description of a wagon asks for a brake van, i don't get the idea at first that it is NOT needed when i use different engines
23:35:07  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah I know
23:35:14  <Stablean> <V453666> I dont think wagons could even require it
23:35:24  <Stablean> <V453666> maybe could but I dont know how to code that
23:36:34  <Stablean> <nicfer> will there a slowdown for trains at 'slowdown here?' for trains coming from Garnville GRAIN?
23:37:01  <Stablean> <V453666> no
23:37:18  <Stablean> <V453666> this is ok for TL3
23:37:40  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
23:37:42  <Stablean> <V453666> it isnt
23:37:49  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
23:37:51  <Stablean> <V453666> as I said
23:37:57  <Stablean> <V453666> no
23:38:03  <Stablean> <V453666> that is a so called Sbend
23:38:05  <Stablean> <V453666> test it
23:38:07  <Stablean> <V453666> easiest you can do
23:38:48  <Stablean> <V453666> oh yes I got a ferry for testing
23:38:49  <Stablean> <V453666> lets make some big plays
23:43:52  <Stablean> <Anson> oh, one more info which i would like in the description : the amount of cargo when refitting
23:44:06  <Stablean> <V453666> that could be a long list :)
23:44:33  <Stablean> <Anson> most of the time, it is simple 1:1, but i have seen wagons which have 1:1 for 3 refits and 1:4 for another
23:44:46  <Stablean> <V453666> nuts has that static for cargo wagons. If 40t of one cargo, it stays 40 for all. However I could add that for express wagons
23:44:54  <Stablean> <V453666> good point
23:46:34  <Stablean> <Anson> a default of 1:1 doesn't need to be listed. but it is annoying when i select wagons, have to buy an engine, and only then can test to refit it, seeing that it suddenly doesn't hold the usual 40, but only 10, half the cargo of a 100 year old wagon
23:46:40  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah
23:46:47  <Stablean> <V453666> especially some sets have it really weirdly set
23:48:46  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm currently selecting a new wagon for my wood ... a new filter type would be useful : list only those wagons which match the CURRENT refit of the wagon"
23:48:58  <Stablean> <V453666> :)
23:49:12  <Stablean> <V453666> yeah but how does the autoreplace know that you dont have also goods on it
23:49:51  <Stablean> <V453666> but well wagons usually arent in that terribly huge numbers to make the list somehow too long
23:51:05  <Stablean> <Anson> i currently transport only wood and have 1st gen flatbed ... autoreplace offers me the 1st/2nd gen TANKER which only carry livestock (liquid beef? gelatine?) or oil, but NO wood !
23:51:15  <Stablean> <V453666> yes
23:51:25  <Stablean> <V453666> because both flatbed and tanker can carry livestock
23:51:42  <Stablean> <V453666> just use universal wagon and dont bother if it is a problem for you :D
23:52:13  <Stablean> <Anson> probably would be too difficult when the program has to check all current wagons and the train's orders for current refits and refit orders
23:52:35  <Stablean> <V453666> for sure
23:52:45  <Stablean> <V453666> I also think most sets have really various wagons
23:52:51  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, did you ever try to replace a universal wagon ?
23:52:54  <Stablean> <V453666> like not just generation improvement, but also different refits
23:53:00  <Stablean> <V453666> sure
23:53:12  <Stablean> <Anson> last time i was shown several pages of wagons to select from since universal can carry almost anything
23:53:26  <Stablean> <V453666> you either replace it to another unviersal wagon or you need train groups per cargo to set the specific wagons
23:54:20  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, groups are always useful ... i was only speaking of scrolling through dozens of wagons in the replace window
23:54:28  <Stablean> <V453666> yes yes :)
23:54:42  <Stablean> <V453666> btw why the spam of L and R signs all over :D
23:55:02  <Stablean> <V453666> makes the sign list a bit long :p
23:55:24  <Stablean> <Anson> we had talked about a new track with less curves ... as help for putting down the new track, i had marked a LR route
23:55:38  <Stablean> <V453666> :d
23:56:05  <Stablean> <Anson> but it was never constructed (besides doing some TF as preparation), and thus the signs stayed ....
23:57:40  <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (leaving)
23:58:56  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, one more idea for improvement : the "car removal" flag should apply to only one conversion so that i can replace one group with removal and another without, both at the same time
23:59:22  <Stablean> <V453666> hehe

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