Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 28th March 2013:
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00:03:11  <Cameron> What is up?
00:03:25  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> yo
00:03:53  <Cameron> hey Meechy
00:04:37  <BiG_MeEcH> :)
00:06:52  <Cameron> wish I could play Ottd
00:07:04  <BiG_MeEcH> why can't you ?
00:07:32  <Cameron> mom's computer, and she'd freak if I put this on it
00:07:44  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> well its not malware xD
00:07:52  <Cameron> i know but still
00:09:13  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> tell your mom its educational and you learn about railroads
00:09:33  <Cameron> HAHa, yea good luck
00:09:44  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> tell her you want to be a Railroad Engeneer
00:10:51  <Cameron> I do, but still that ain't gonna work
00:11:01  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> lol
00:11:07  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> are you amish ? :)
00:11:24  <Cameron> no, Im Canadian
00:11:27  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> xD
00:12:54  <BiG_MeEcH> Tell her you want to ride the Canadian National railway to toronto
00:13:01  <BiG_MeEcH> but you need to play ottd first
00:14:14  <Cameron> LOL
00:14:40  <BiG_MeEcH> I may as well be canadian
00:14:47  <BiG_MeEcH> Ive been watching a lot of Degrassi
00:18:23  <Cameron> lovely here minus the snow, but wth
00:18:44  <Cameron> rather live in the Gobi Desert
00:18:51  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I wanna do some 5 pin bowling
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01:01:02  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> yo
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01:01:10  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> looks like sylf :P
01:01:16  <BiG_MeEcH> damn
01:01:24  <BiG_MeEcH> I heard that there were connection issues around the world
01:01:30  <Sylf> hm
01:01:31  <BiG_MeEcH> Ddos attacks
01:01:45  <BiG_MeEcH> want me to pause it?
01:01:51  <Sylf> I saw that my packets were not routed the normal way last night
01:01:54  <Sylf> nope
01:02:01  <BiG_MeEcH> weird!
01:02:07  <BiG_MeEcH> I hate lost packages
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01:02:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> this is just bleh.
01:03:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> so, we're specializing in bauxite
01:03:43  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I guess xD
01:04:17  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> they turned off boats and added boat multiplier so I can't be captain meech
01:04:47  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> shame I dont know Jam's password
01:05:58  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I was aboe to do the transfer train you showed me yesterday
01:06:01  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> at great Farnway south
01:07:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> :o
01:07:51  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I know
01:07:51  <Stablean> <Sylf> Jam transport on sale
01:08:13  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> could scrap for more than 2$
01:08:51  <Stablean> <Sylf> UKRS2 isn't the best set to run a 1TL game
01:09:05  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> doesnt look like he tried too hard anyhow
01:09:29  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> wanna buy it then?
01:09:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> I skip it
01:09:46  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> im temped to hit yes
01:11:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> so, I want to boost our alumi production
01:11:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> I want to get chemicals
01:11:29  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> so oil ?
01:11:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> We have two options.
01:11:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> Do we want to do oil?
01:11:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> Or do we want to do Coal and Stones?
01:11:47  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> do we have the ES for oil ?
01:12:17  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> enough oil around our lines
01:12:20  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> not sure about the coal
01:12:31  <Cameron> hi sylf
01:12:50  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> re-yo
01:12:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> hi cam
01:13:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> there are enough quarries and dredging sites and coal mines and oil wells
01:13:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> we can do anything we want.
01:13:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> We can do all of them.
01:13:44  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> build both palnts side by side?
01:14:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> We could do that.
01:14:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> since people are hardly building, we can take as much space as we want
01:14:32  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> :D
01:14:34  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> hell yeah
01:15:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> once we have all those going on... do we want to build furniture? or brew?
01:15:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> or print money?
01:15:59  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> BEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR
01:23:46  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> D:
01:25:53  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> sorry D:
01:26:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, that line isn't ready yet
01:27:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, there we go
01:27:45  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I think it only needs 4 bays
01:29:27  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> hopefully chemicals railcars unload in 3-4 turns :D
01:29:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> dunno.
01:30:09  <Stablean> <Sylf> we may have to find another spot for an aluminum plant
01:30:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> there isn't much space to expand around there.
01:30:25  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I think thats a good possibility
01:30:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> Or, swap pickup and drop
01:30:55  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> theres ample room on that one plateau area
01:31:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> there's ample room on the entire map
01:31:14  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> pickup could stay there almost
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01:33:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm not the only one!
01:33:53  <BiG_MeEcH> poor roM! :(
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01:34:29  <Cameron> i remember those days...
01:34:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm
01:35:01  <Stablean> <Sylf> we need to decide if we're gonna keep CL2 or not
01:35:27  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> i think it should be fixed now that we got cash
01:41:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> time for experiment...
01:41:34  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> ooo
01:41:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> train 65...
01:42:16  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> lol
01:42:22  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> 5 turns
01:42:53  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> only 8 more tons of bauxite
01:42:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> but more capacity
01:43:07  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> 28 mroe tons I mean
01:43:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> 28 more tons
01:43:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's 28% increase
01:43:26  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> would need 6 lanes at the plant
01:43:34  <Stablean> <Sylf> never
01:43:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> well, actually
01:43:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's not that simple of a math
01:44:04  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> well these trains accelleration is shit
01:44:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> heavier = slower accel.
01:44:30  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> yoiu keep experimenting, ill back ina a few
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01:44:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> I need food soon :P
01:45:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmm, these wagons are pretty heavy
01:45:14  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's a bummer.
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03:25:11  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> heck yea, Big Meech is back
03:25:22  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> oh man
03:25:29  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> bauxite Sylf is gone!
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03:26:19  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> did train 65 work out ?
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03:27:17  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> yo
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03:38:59  <Sylf> I deleted 65
03:39:07  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> okay
03:39:14  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> too long to unload?
03:40:07  <Sylf> loading time isn't an issue
03:40:43  <Sylf> the sum of wagon weight and cargo weight was a bit big
03:40:53  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> oh nice
03:40:59  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> well my name is Big Meech
03:41:01  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> double engines? :D
03:41:22  <Sylf> then it defeats the purpose of using that wagon
03:41:30  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> :D
03:41:32  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> kk
03:41:47  <Sylf> anyway. reboot time.
03:41:52  <Sylf> bios flash
03:42:00  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> whoa, be careful
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03:51:28  <BiG_MeEcH> Nice
03:51:36  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> asus mobo ez-flash ?
03:51:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> something close
03:52:02  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> :D
03:52:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's an asus utility
03:53:02  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I just got done working on a nice asus rig for sale
03:53:36  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> dual dvi outpits on mobo plus E65XX something processor
03:54:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmm
03:54:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> there's not an easy way to get 84 crates of ES on 2 tiles
03:56:04  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> what about timetabling a shitty truck
03:57:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm more frustrated with the fact that wagons like Habfis van or Freightliner, at 3 half tiles, will only load 81 crates
03:57:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> 3 crates short!  >_<
03:57:35  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> lol
03:59:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, train 67 it is
04:04:40  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> hard cramming a station into this bauxite mine xD
04:04:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> pft
04:05:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> watch this
04:05:14  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> * watchez
04:05:28  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> oh nice
04:05:38  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> you cheated :P
04:07:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> huh...
04:07:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> no DWE platform tiles...
04:09:02  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> lol
04:09:02  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> wtf?
04:09:04  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> xD
04:09:07  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> interesting
04:09:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> gotta try something new once in a while
04:09:41  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> word
04:09:47  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> flashing bios'
04:09:49  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> then that
04:09:51  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> :D
04:11:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmm, I like that engine
04:23:01  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> reaplce ing wagons?
04:23:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> yup.
04:26:14  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> can you make an ES train for Tredham north / Es Transfer ?
04:26:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> 1 sec
04:26:36  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> yep
04:27:02  <Stablean> <Sylf> can you upgrade bauxite trains to look like trains 75/76?
04:27:24  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> oh golly
04:27:28  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> any easy way to do that?
04:27:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> none.
04:27:40  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> hey l liked those bumpers :P
04:27:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> but CHIPS tiles have built-in bumpers already
04:28:05  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> xD
04:28:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> dinky brit style bumpers
04:28:27  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> train would go right throug hthem
04:28:58  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> ill let you do the orders
04:29:36  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> i need to brish my teeth ill brb
04:33:18  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> how good are the new wagons you did ?
04:33:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's good
04:35:03  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> 2.7 tl ?
04:47:14  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> you messing up shit?
04:47:20  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> :)
04:47:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> totally
04:47:27  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> sweet
04:53:57  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> train 2 ?
04:54:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> Just playing around.
04:54:30  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> kk
04:54:33  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> I was worried xD
04:55:03  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> i think theyre all doen except the 1 station
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04:55:41  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> hi Diablo
04:55:47  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi meech
04:56:02  <Stablean> <Diablo> wats with the name change?
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04:56:16  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> We're a bauxite company primarily so far
04:56:56  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> Same ol' meech
04:57:14  <Stablean> <Sylf> my shit at alumi plant is already breaking
04:57:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> gonna cause a massive jam for a min
04:57:38  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> yay
04:58:28  <Stablean> <Diablo> wat do u guys think of my multi-millon $ PAX?
05:01:08  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, massive jam done.
05:01:34  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> cleverly placed iron ore mine
05:02:22  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> sure know how to make the bauxite pile up boss
05:02:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah.
05:02:43  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> thats what bosses do
05:06:10  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> hell yea
05:08:24  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> wow Diablo went higher than happy transport
05:13:50  <Stablean> <Bauxite_Meech> way to break shit
05:28:37  <Stablean> <Diablo> i want to get into the freight side, but hav no idea how to produce engineering supplies
05:30:10  <BiG_MeEcH> few ways to do it
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05:33:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> smithy forge also makes them I think
05:33:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the Engeneering supplies
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05:34:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> does any of thast help Diablo?
05:35:03  <Stablean> <Diablo> it wud if i cud find the industries round our networks :/
05:35:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill help you look
05:35:31  <Stablean> <Diablo> thx :)
05:36:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> steel mill could make metal
05:36:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> steel mill at flinningstone-on-sea
05:36:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at !diablo
05:37:22  <Stablean> <Diablo> then the metal goes where?
05:37:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> hot damn.  done with ll_rr
05:37:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> metal to machine shop or forge
05:38:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> doesnt look like ther are any in your area =\
05:38:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> or at my other !diablo sign
05:38:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> aluminum plant takes bauxite and scrap metal to make metal
05:39:17  <Stablean> <Diablo> lumber = engineering
05:40:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lumber plus chemicals make enengeering supplies
05:40:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at my last !diablo sign
05:40:45  <Stablean> <Diablo> thx for the help meech
05:40:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> tried to help :)
05:40:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> np
05:49:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> we're letting all of our FS go to waste!
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05:50:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> start making beer
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05:50:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hell yeah
05:52:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like we will need fruit and grain
05:52:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe tomorrow I will be Vodka Meech
05:52:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> hell yeah
05:54:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
05:54:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> wait... vodka is the potatoL
05:54:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> we need potato farms?
05:54:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> then Wine Meech
06:00:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> is it bad i dont know where i put my cellphone? xD
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06:19:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no I dont, sorry
06:19:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I just found my cellphone! I put it in the oddest spot
06:19:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> did you still want /need help bud?
06:19:52  <Stablean> <Diablo> was it on a table?
06:20:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> on a window sill
06:20:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the second sash on the top
06:20:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> im super tired though bud, its 2:30am here almost
06:20:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and im abotu to crash
06:21:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I tell you what though, when i get a chance tomorrow i will log in and finsih your LR
06:21:02  <Stablean> <Diablo> all good, but can u plz finish my routes nxt time ur on?
06:21:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah, you just want the other lane?
06:21:48  <Stablean> <Diablo> thats the job
06:21:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sure, I can try
06:22:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Where are you in the world again ? :)
06:22:18  <Stablean> <Diablo> yellow, close to purple
06:22:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> In real life :)
06:22:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> nz right?
06:22:43  <Stablean> <Diablo> correct
06:22:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> must be daytime there
06:23:07  <Stablean> <Diablo> 725pm
06:23:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh later than I thought
06:23:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> but yea, tomorrow i will try to get to your lines
06:23:59  <Stablean> <Diablo> thanks, cya tmrw
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06:24:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yep! seeya
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10:48:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi happy
10:48:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi troy
10:48:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
10:49:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good, you?
10:49:07  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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10:52:52  <Stablean> <V453000> helo
10:52:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
10:52:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
10:54:11  <Stablean> <V453000> :d I thought UKRS2 cared more about cargoes
10:54:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what do you mean?
10:54:31  <Stablean> <V453000> bauxite is gray just like most of hopper cargoes :(
10:54:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh
10:55:12  <Stablean> <V453000> quite honestly I dont understand that :)
10:55:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> isn't bauxite gray?
10:55:49  <Stablean> <V453000> it is something like red to brown thing
10:55:59  <Stablean> <V453000> you can see on the current CHIPS platforms it is pink
10:56:06  <Stablean> <V453000> which will be changed a bit soon, but still
10:56:16  <Stablean> <V453000> point is
10:56:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, kay
10:56:33  <Stablean> <V453000> recolouring an already drawn cargo is like the most time-gain efficient thing to do
10:56:52  <Stablean> <V453000> you obviously have to code it as well but that is quick
10:57:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, perhaps the drawer thought bauxite = aluminium = gray
10:57:21  <Stablean> <V453000> no it works the same way as UKRS
10:57:39  <Stablean> <V453000> black = coal, brown = iron ore, yellow = grain, gray = everything else
10:57:51  <Stablean> <V453000> UKRS does that too
10:57:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, okay
10:58:32  <Stablean> <V453000> I mean I understand that NUTS is the only set which does it to have exactly every cargo different, but now that I know how simple it is to add that, I dont understand it :s
10:58:41  <Stablean> <V453000> when I look how many engines are there drawn in UKRS2
10:58:58  <Stablean> <V453000> it is surprising that wagons are "missing" this thingy
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10:59:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that must drive you mad
10:59:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Player, you might want to change your name first
10:59:24  <Stablean> <V453000> well I dont really care since I have NUTS, but I find it really weird
10:59:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> click enter to type
11:00:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> type !name <newname> to change your name
11:00:40  <Stablean> <V453000> I believe you could find similar "strange preferences" on NUTS as well, for example many rail trains could use some improvements ... but that is just a detail which doesnt quite have a function I think :d while colours are great
11:01:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so that brought you here?
11:02:17  <Stablean> <V453000> ? :d
11:02:27  <Stablean> <V453000> is there anything that needs to bring me here? :d
11:02:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> saying that aluminium should be pink
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11:02:43  <Stablean> <V453000> I just noticed it
11:02:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Player, you are going to get kicked
11:03:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I think...
11:03:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> isn't Mazurs script working anymore?
11:03:46  <Stablean> <V453000> nop
11:03:52  <Stablean> <V453000> he isnt in IRC so it cant work :d
11:04:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okidoki
11:04:04  <Stablean> <V453000> it worked through his client
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11:21:35  <Stablean> <V453000> he, now I see
11:21:50  <Stablean> <V453000> last discussion about cargoes in general resulted in a rant which cargo should have which colour :D
11:22:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah
11:22:18  <Stablean> <V453000> which alone is not exactly constructive, but it is a good start
11:22:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so no consent has been made about that
11:22:34  <Stablean> <V453000> there was some conclusion but I dont think anybody uses it
11:23:04  <Stablean> <V453000> after all, the exact colours of course matter a lot, but equally to that is important which colour do you use where and how
11:23:35  <Stablean> <V453000> drawing a convertable thing is one of the harder things tbh
11:23:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but if people don't stick to' the plan', the plan is useless
11:24:07  <Stablean> <V453000> this was only a general discussion, not about a particular set
11:24:21  <Stablean> <V453000> but often the discussions on tt-forums are related between each other
11:25:15  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think the problem is that one set does not support cargoes or whatnot
11:25:41  <Stablean> <V453000> problem generally is that every station/industry/train set uses different look for the cargoes and it is hard to make them compatible
11:25:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
11:25:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I have a question
11:26:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do industries grow here in FIRS
11:26:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I assume as described, when they get supplies
11:26:25  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think there is a parameter to disable growth anymore
11:26:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cause only production can be normal/enhanced/gung ho
11:26:33  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
11:26:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and that is under influence of  engy supplies
11:26:47  <Stablean> <V453000> yep
11:26:57  <Stablean> <V453000> it does grow but only x2 or x4
11:27:00  <Stablean> <V453000> or what is the amount
11:27:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but does the base rate grow?
11:27:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah 2x and 4x
11:27:22  <Stablean> <V453000> hm
11:27:26  <Stablean> <V453000> this looks seriously broken actually
11:27:56  <Stablean> <V453000> or
11:27:58  <Stablean> <V453000> :d
11:28:00  <Stablean> <V453000> idk
11:28:10  <Stablean> <V453000> oil wells with x2 and 330 000 per month look ok
11:28:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :O
11:28:39  <Stablean> <V453000> quite honestly I dont really enjoy playing with FIRS too much and there were quite a few changes lately
11:28:49  <Stablean> <V453000> so I dont really know too much, havent played it myself
11:29:52  <Stablean> <V453000> it could be randomized base with x2 or x4 I guess
11:30:02  <Stablean> <V453000> but if that is true, dont know
11:30:37  <Stablean> <V453000> there are some changes all the time and I even think there will be a few more industries actually
11:30:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> even more?
11:31:02  <Stablean> <V453000> just like one extra mine/secondary
11:31:08  <Stablean> <V453000> not like a huge amount
11:31:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> fine, okay
11:32:06  <Stablean> <V453000> idk, I am thinking what could make an industry set fun
11:32:22  <Stablean> <V453000> because supplying mechanisms are really, really dangerous for the system I think
11:32:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which system?
11:32:46  <Stablean> <V453000> plus, the original growth mechanism is imo stil lbest
11:32:52  <Stablean> <V453000> the general system of the industry set
11:33:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, it's nice to have some feedback loops
11:33:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> imo
11:33:36  <Stablean> <V453000> I guess
11:33:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only there's no actual negative feedback, only positive
11:33:53  <Stablean> <V453000> the problem is
11:34:07  <Stablean> <V453000> in a form like this, you have an exact ratio of cargo:produced ES
11:34:25  <Stablean> <V453000> when produced cargo is dependent on produced ES then it is just math
11:34:31  <Stablean> <V453000> as you have to make the ratios good enough
11:34:49  <Stablean> <V453000> but then stupid elements like station ratings influence that really a lot
11:35:16  <Stablean> <V453000> I am thinking of something like temporary production boost from the supplies
11:35:39  <Stablean> <V453000> but the base production being independent of any supplies
11:35:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> like a real short burst?
11:35:51  <Stablean> <V453000> means you dont have to, but can be greatly helpful
11:36:17  <Stablean> <V453000> well yeah, short but over time like of 1 month
11:36:24  <Stablean> <V453000> meaning you need regular service
11:36:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah
11:36:42  <Stablean> <V453000> if you have drop-instant pickup, it solves nothing as refit can do that
11:36:58  <Stablean> <V453000> if you have drop - produce for a month, you have to deal with it somehow
11:37:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> FIRS worked with a month period earlier, right?
11:37:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> now it's 3 months
11:37:18  <Stablean> <V453000> pretty much
11:37:24  <Stablean> <V453000> but that is something different
11:37:30  <Stablean> <V453000> the production changed based on that
11:37:40  <Stablean> <V453000> I would just process the supplies into extra produced cargo
11:37:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> right
11:37:57  <Stablean> <V453000> but the long term production would stay
11:37:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and how much more cargo?
11:38:10  <Stablean> <V453000> dunno that isnt exactly important
11:38:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> a percentage of current production?
11:38:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, guess that's true
11:38:22  <Stablean> <V453000> no, that should be based on teh amount of delivered
11:38:54  <Stablean> <V453000> point is, if you supply your already barely serviced industry, it is likely you wont be able to transport from there anymore, ther will be cargo left over
11:39:08  <Stablean> <V453000> which means the production should probably drop
11:39:24  <Stablean> <V453000> which is what happens also normally, but exaggerated
11:39:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, what do you suggest?
11:39:48  <Stablean> <V453000> for FIRS probably nothing
11:39:58  <Stablean> <V453000> will try in a new industry set sometime
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11:40:45  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
11:40:51  <Stablean> <V453000> I already wrote some article about a somewhat scheme, I would just make that scheme, with normal productions like everywhere else in original
11:40:51  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
11:40:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
11:40:56  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
11:41:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh,
11:41:33  <Stablean> <V453000> but it has been a while I dont even know what is in that article exactly
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11:47:04  <Stablean> <V453000> hm, dont know :d just collecting ideas, lets see if anything ever comes out of it... I thin it will but it will take time :) Either way, I have to go... thanks for the discussion
11:47:10  <Stablean> <V453000> bai
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11:48:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye
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13:02:18  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be back  later
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14:12:29  <Stablean> <V453000> asdf hel0
14:12:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wb
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14:23:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wb
14:23:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
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14:24:01  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  all
14:31:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, it's nice
14:33:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
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16:36:49  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  player
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17:29:31  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi jam
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19:31:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sorry!
19:31:07  <Stablean> <Diablo> hey meech
19:31:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo!
19:31:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I did one of the lines for you came back to finish now actually
19:31:44  <Stablean> <Diablo> i kno, u made a mistake nder a bridge
19:31:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh man
19:32:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> >_<
19:32:30  <Stablean> <Diablo> its all good now tho
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19:44:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
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19:45:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo
19:45:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> heelo
19:45:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Jam you went bankrupt last night
19:45:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> yay again? :D
19:46:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup
19:46:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> horses arent so good :D
19:46:42  <Stablean> <Jam35> good in a sandwich
19:46:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hell yeah
19:47:08  <Stablean> <Jam35> or on a sandwich whatever your preference
19:47:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I prefer open faced horse sandwich
19:47:52  <Stablean> <Jam35> mmm
19:47:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> extra face
19:47:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hold the eyeballs
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19:52:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Diablo, I know you like tunnels but later in the game when you need more trains per line, they will hurt the lines
19:52:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> usually going around objects is better imo.
19:52:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if you look at the lines I workded on, I got rid of tunnels and bridges for the most part
19:55:32  <Stablean> <Diablo> do lumber yards die fast?
19:56:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> be back later
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21:01:05  <Stablean> <V453000> ho
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