Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 29th July 2013:
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02:24:54  <Stablean> <Player> hey
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02:25:21  <Stablean> <Anson> hey, anonymous player
02:25:52  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, people should select a username when they activekly play
02:26:22  <Stablean> <Anson> you can do that with !nick in the chat here, or set a default name on the multiplayer screen before you join servers
02:36:53  <Stablean> <Player> Hello
02:39:17  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to <MR.M4G1C>
02:39:57  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, Mr.NoLoNgErAnOnYmOuS :-)
02:43:32  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> why can i only make 3 planes?
02:43:44  <Stablean> <Anson> this server is mostly about trains
02:44:14  <Stablean> <Anson> usually, planes and ships cost a LOT, and can make you bankrupt in seconds :-)
02:44:24  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> ah... there are almost no servers without limitations, anoying
02:44:31  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> i would make money
02:44:38  <Stablean> <Anson> in this game, prices are normal, but number is reduced to 10 RV, 3 ships and 3 planes
02:44:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> you make money no matter what
02:45:26  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> but vladim ahve 4 planes?
02:45:29  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> *have
02:45:51  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> how?
02:45:51  <Stablean> <Anson> building train networks shall be encouraged, and not to have 2 airports in every town and hundreds of ships
02:46:29  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe he built them before the limit was corrected on the new map
02:47:01  <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> ah... well im off to bed, bye
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02:47:31  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: sylf, can you check Vadim50RUS ? he has only 4 stopped airplanes and doesn't play for hours
02:47:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> what do you want me to do?
02:48:51  <Stablean> <Anson> his company doesn't go bankrupt easily since he has stopped vehicles and the inflation always increases the max loan ...
02:49:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> and what do you want me to do?
02:49:19  <Stablean> <Anson> but for now, we have enough empty slots for more companies, thus no imediate action is needed
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04:26:12  <Stablean> <Anson> morning, cam ... is there any function to show the radius of planes on the map ?
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04:41:48  <Stablean> <Cameron> nope
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05:21:41  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
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05:56:53  <BiG_MeEcH> woooooooooooooooooo!
05:56:55  <BiG_MeEcH> !players
05:56:58  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 249 (Brown) is Cameron, in company 6 (OTTD mail Company)
05:56:58  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 148 (Light Blue) is Anson, in company 9 (Anson Transport)
05:56:58  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 255 is V453000, a spectator
05:57:09  <BiG_MeEcH> Oh nice, all of my favorite people are here!
05:57:15  <BiG_MeEcH> !dl lin64
05:57:15  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH:
05:57:16  <Stablean> <Cameron> V, is it possible when you make your own industry set that you can set it so it makes more than a certain amount, idk 10k -13k a month ?
05:57:26  <Stablean> <Cameron> heya Meeches
05:58:00  <Stablean> <Cameron> or if anyone can answer that question...
05:58:15  <BiG_MeEcH> I think they way the code is written now is that it can't, would make the game less fun in my opinion
05:58:27  <BiG_MeEcH> sorta takes some of the gun away
05:58:29  <Stablean> <Cameron> blah, thats no fun
05:58:34  <BiG_MeEcH> *fun, not gun
05:59:06  <Stablean> <Cameron> if rarely that happened
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06:00:10  <Stablean> <Cameron> love to code, draw sprites of my own work, make realistic changes/ add ons of I think of.
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06:05:18  <BiG_MeEcH> When you go into cheat mode, you can specify how many tons the primaries make
06:05:27  <BiG_MeEcH> so its already sorta a feature
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06:06:24  <BiG_MeEcH> to me its more fun trying to see how well you can service evertything to make that total higher
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06:08:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I forgot how cool blimps were
06:08:41  <Stablean> <Anson> you can enable primaries next to each other (more than 1 per town), and fund a dozen or more of them, plus cheat the production to max, thus easily generating 24k+ cargo on a single normal station
06:09:40  <BiG_MeEcH> You'd need a pretty efficient railway for that
06:10:27  <BiG_MeEcH> Thought of doing a helipad in your town, Anson?
06:10:33  <BiG_MeEcH> for the blimP?
06:11:25  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm still looking for the opposite: secondaries which have a production limit, so that you need a relation of promaries and secondaries, eg 4 primaries = 1 secondary, and maybe even 4 secondaries = 1 tertiary
06:12:05  <BiG_MeEcH> I'm pretty sure production is capped at the secondaries though
06:12:21  <Stablean> <Anson> i am experimenting with pax ... now want to try transporting them not by real ship, but mostly by "wet ships" :-)
06:12:23  <BiG_MeEcH> IIRC, its dependent on the number of tiles that the secondary is
06:13:05  <BiG_MeEcH> obviously, you will only hit the secondary limit only with obscene amounts of cargo, I saw it once in PS
06:13:09  <Stablean> <Anson> somewhere on the wiki, i read something like 2k per tile, thus max 24k for a factory with footprint 12
06:13:31  <BiG_MeEcH> yup, something like that
06:13:41  <Stablean> <Anson> but that is a limit which is not shown and which can't be tested
06:14:02  <BiG_MeEcH> Not so, I've seen it before I'm pretty sure
06:14:30  <BiG_MeEcH> I'm pretty sure its coded in the program that way
06:14:36  <Stablean> <Anson> there is one grf that has delayed production and shows the current storage and production, but it has many other side effects which make it a real industry grf and don't only introduce the limits
06:15:08  <BiG_MeEcH> It may be different with Firs, for example
06:16:17  <Stablean> <Anson> too coplicated ... what i want is just the opposite of refitting and testing to see whether some trains can be empty and reused immediately
06:16:47  <Stablean> <Anson> it should require testing, and then zusing overflows or other methods for drop stations too
06:17:14  <BiG_MeEcH> sounds cool but I'm exhausted
06:17:33  <BiG_MeEcH> catch up with you guys more tomorrow and or during the week, bedtime! :D
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06:17:59  <BiG_MeEcH> hi TmC
06:18:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi breezah talk Meech
06:18:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> dranpool needs more horses
06:18:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> xD
06:19:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> anyhoo, goodnight! :D
06:19:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol
06:24:02  <Stablean> <Anson> is there some option, or was that already suggested sometime ago, that the world map gets indicators for the range of planes ? ... it is very difficult to see where to build intermediate airports to extend the range of planes
06:24:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dunno
06:24:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you don't mean walking stations?
06:24:43  <Stablean> <Anson> no
06:25:09  <Stablean> <Anson> planes have a range, and like speed and capacity, the range can also be different for each single plane
06:25:36  <Stablean> <Anson> eg zeppelin has 640, other planes have only 350, 250, or even less than 100
06:26:19  <Stablean> <Anson> to fly long distance, you need to use intermediate airports
06:27:23  <Stablean> <Anson> but the only method i found to measure those distances is to put down a fake rail and look at the distance indicator ... which only shows vertical and horizontal distance, and not the range for planes
06:28:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to be honest, I don't think it's possible, tho
06:29:19  <Stablean> <Anson> just look at the overlays for pathes from cargodist ... whouldn't it be possible to draw circles around airports ?
06:29:29  <Stablean> <Anson> of course, that doesn't exist yet
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07:07:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wb
07:13:59  <Stablean> <Mks> ansom
07:14:13  <Stablean> <Mks> anson I think its something wrong with your wetrail
07:14:32  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ?
07:14:52  <Stablean> <Mks> check sign !here
07:15:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i am still waiting for the first trains to be filled, and just sent them to depot to make the stations longer ... which failed because of angry authorities :-(
07:15:24  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
07:15:51  <Stablean> <Mks> shouldn't have longer trains then station it takes forever to load then
07:16:29  <Stablean> <Anson> not too bad now : it is filled with a ship, and thus takes forever anyway :-) LOL+#
07:18:05  <Stablean> <Anson> but i think there is an error somewhere on the long way to Dondingworth Woods ... maybe a bad signal or something
07:18:47  <Stablean> <Anson> the wet train doesn't enter the long route ...
07:19:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i will force it now, and then watch ...
07:20:08  <Stablean> <Mks> its a bad curve
07:20:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> darr it is
07:20:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope
07:20:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wrong signal
07:20:19  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
07:20:21  <Stablean> <Mks> right
07:20:24  <Stablean> <Anson> found the bad signal :-)
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07:24:58  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, my first train on this map is about to deliver its cargo ... 2300 pax :-)
07:25:36  <Stablean> <Anson> big question now : how do i get the pax from the station to town ? .-) LOL
07:26:14  <Stablean> <Mks> trams?
07:26:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> make them walk...
07:26:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lazy bastards...
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07:35:31  <Stablean> <Anson> trams ? walk ? ... either won't work ... they need to swim !
07:36:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol
07:39:05  <Stablean> <Anson> if MK rebuilds the network between Flefingley Market and Quartburg, i might be able to shorten the ship transfer a bit ... but not now, and playing with ships and planes is only for fun anyway#
07:39:55  <Stablean> <Mks> use suthill as destination instead
07:39:57  <Stablean> <Mks> larger city
07:40:03  <Stablean> <Mks> and not near my rail
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07:42:52  <Stablean> <Anson> or even easier: dondingworth :-)
07:43:11  <Stablean> <Mks> well yes but low pop
07:43:17  <Stablean> <Mks> so hard to load train there
07:43:23  <Stablean> <Anson> only pax drop
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07:44:35  <Stablean> <Anson> i wanted to play with only two towns ... thus had selected two towns at the range of a zeppelin ... then added ships, and now replaced part of the ships route by wet ... that's why i wanted to stick to the original destination
07:45:06  <Stablean> <Anson> but with only 3 ships max, i get problems anyway to load pax and mail (2 ships) and to unkload them again (again 2 ships)
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07:46:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Player, please change your name
07:47:08  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to r1kkie
07:47:12  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Morning everyone!
07:47:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> righti-o
07:47:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> morning
07:47:24  <Stablean> <r1kkie> How u doing?
07:47:34  <Stablean> <Anson> that's the general problem again ... i collect pax with buses, then deliver them to the train via ship, and finally transfer them again via ship from the train to the destination ... how can i transport pax the other way back when not using cargodist ?
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07:48:52  <Stablean> <Mks> if its an transfer station you can't I think you need one pickup and and drop one then
07:49:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good, rik
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07:49:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, I'm off...
07:49:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
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07:50:00  <Stablean> <ROM5419> well that was fast
07:50:06  <Stablean> <Cameron> lol
07:50:45  <Stablean> <ROM5419> sorry i wasn't on last night
07:51:03  <Stablean> <Cameron> no worries
07:51:13  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i had to do a government-enforced essay on satanic white christians and their evil deeds
07:51:23  <Stablean> <ROM5419> whatever that is
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07:59:12  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i don't see any problem with allowing planes and ships
07:59:46  <Stablean> <ROM5419> other than being the reason why OTTD mail is so high ranked
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08:00:59  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i hate the fact that there's no 'asian' setting in the face selection
08:01:41  <Stablean> <Anson> i think there are grf files for asian faces and for manga faces
08:01:59  <Stablean> <ROM5419> still, it's quite racist to me
08:02:03  <Stablean> <ROM5419> no offense :)
08:02:58  <Stablean> <Anson> always depends on where you live ...
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08:04:24  <Stablean> <ROM5419> who inflated the currency so much?
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08:13:22  <Stablean> <Anson> rom, that was probably the inflation :-)
08:29:45  <Stablean> <ROM5419> even a homegrown metro company can become 10/14th. Buck up, people!
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08:32:17  <Stablean> <ROM5419> anyone need assistance?
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08:32:52  <Stablean> <Cameron> nop, I'm good, unless you wanna link up more towns for mail...
08:34:02  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i wonder how can V453K get the ideas for the WETrails and cargo sprites without being high on LSD
08:35:30  <Stablean> <Anson> do you know ? :-)
08:36:08  <Stablean> <ROM5419> is it me or do the Reborns look suspiciously like sydney cityrail stock
08:37:50  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: a long timeago,  i had vague ideas that ships should get orders like trains and not cross the ocean and get lost all the time ... what i was missing was the idea how to do it, and then the work to program it, draw it, test it, and repeat all the time, until it was usable like now
08:38:45  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i see... the canal design is quite realistic. not sure about the sanity of the "articulated ships" though...
08:40:09  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: there are more grfs with strange railtypes
08:40:32  <Stablean> <ROM5419> very creative! combination of the two
08:40:42  <Stablean> <Cameron> Purr for example
08:40:48  <Stablean> <ROM5419> although i still miss the nyan train though --
08:41:03  <Stablean> <Anson> i know at least one: pipelines ... rails are pipelines, the trains are called pumps and look like arrows that indicate the flow of liquids, and they should be usable to transport water and oil
08:41:17  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i use that all the time in SP
08:41:33  <Stablean> <ROM5419> what about vactrains
08:42:25  <Stablean> <Anson> they are a bit strange, but a nice idea ... but for real gameplay, trains at supersonic speeds are not my taste
08:42:51  <Stablean> <Anson> and do you know the hovercraft RV sets ?
08:43:08  <Stablean> <ROM5419> they are my taste though :) the only problem is that they're too fast for server stability
08:43:30  <Stablean> <ROM5419> single player only material
08:43:54  <Stablean> <Anson> I just started testing which gfs work together ... already got some errors for having too many tracktypes :-(
08:44:13  <Stablean> <Cameron> lol
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08:44:31  <Stablean> <Anson> just take nutracks and purr ...
08:44:45  <Stablean> <ROM5419> anything but nutracks.
08:45:19  <Stablean> <Anson> how many tracktypes is that ? 10 from nu, and 5 from purr, plus mono and maglev ... and the limit is 14 or 15
08:45:33  <Stablean> <ROM5419> its 12.
08:45:40  <Stablean> <ROM5419> the limit is 12
08:45:46  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i think
08:47:00  <Stablean> <Anson> just started a new offline game : 16 tracktypes is max
08:47:10  <Stablean> <ROM5419> they raised it? nice
08:47:16  <Stablean> <ROM5419> new possibilities
08:49:23  <Stablean> <ROM5419> long shi*s you have there
08:51:41  <Stablean> <Anson> the new game had loaded nitracks (2 low, 2 medium, 2 high, 1 very high, and the 2 normal, plus track planning... lifted tracks ... then normal mono and maglev, universal from nuts, pipelines, vactrain, and no space for a single purr type :-(
08:52:07  <Stablean> <ROM5419> there has to be a limit
08:52:41  <Stablean> <ROM5419> the higher priority now should be roadtypes
08:52:47  <Stablean> <ROM5419> where is my PRT
08:52:47  <Stablean> <Anson> in my offline games, i limit the number of town/industry sets :-)
08:53:09  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i don't even play offline anymore =.= boring
08:55:23  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't do full games offline, but i often use saved games and look at details, or i try how some grf works, how to build overflows, etc
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09:05:44  <Stablean> <Anson> speaking of nuts, purr, and ideas ... are you there, V ?
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09:08:55  <Stablean> <Anson> there is a "dutch road furniture" set which adds borders and other objects to roads ... would it be possible to use a similar method for changing the appearence of rails ? ... eg putting a color block besides a rail, and the rail adjusts to that block
09:10:11  <Stablean> <Anson> when tiles are aware of their neighbor's state, a whole rail could be colored depending on a single tile, and we wouldn't need lots of different rail types ...
09:27:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> MK has some trubbles at one of his bridges
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09:59:20  <V453000> all I can say Anson is why dont you go draw/code it :)
10:01:41  <V453000> not to mention that I think it would not work very well
10:02:06  <V453000> or,  it would be hell of painful to set up (and likely to code/draw, too)
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10:07:12  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> o|
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10:40:02  <Stablean> <r1kkie> booM!
10:40:08  <Stablean> <Cameron> damn trains
10:40:18  <Stablean> <Cameron> they drink too much
10:40:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
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11:32:58  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
11:33:05  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi
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11:39:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Otto there?
11:39:56  <Stablean> <Otto Fisher> yes
11:40:02  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Can you move ur HQ?
11:40:08  <Stablean> <Otto Fisher> ok
11:40:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thx
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12:41:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> any1 here?
12:45:32  <Sylf> ?
12:50:53  <Sylf> r1kkie, did you need something?
12:51:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> No need anymore. Thanks anyway!
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14:13:03  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello Syl!
14:13:10  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hi
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15:32:06  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh thats why Anson asked if I was on, I left my client open :D
15:32:08  <Stablean> <V453000> helo
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16:01:17  <Stablean> <V453000> heyooo
16:01:20  <Stablean> <Mks> hey
16:01:26  <Stablean> <V453000> your bridges jamz :P
16:01:40  <Stablean> <Mks> crap
16:02:30  <Stablean> <V453000> the block signals have nothing to do there
16:04:06  <Stablean> <Mks> damn how do I get the middle bridge to be a joined one trains can take either direction?
16:06:40  <Stablean> <Mks> can you use odd combinations?
16:06:54  <Stablean> <Mks> like Wetrail wagons with rail locos? on purr rail I mean
16:07:52  <Stablean> <V453000> purr is just an universal rail, that does not mean it can override wagon attach logic :P
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16:08:16  <Stablean> <Mks> damn would be a nice combo :P
16:08:26  <Stablean> <V453000> wouldnt make sense
16:08:38  <Stablean> <Mks> V
16:08:53  <Stablean> <Mks> why is the nr 6 super strong slower then number 5
16:09:02  <Stablean> <Mks> or 4 I mean
16:09:08  <Stablean> <V453000> because it has CL1
16:09:10  <Stablean> <V453000> while the other one has 1.5
16:09:38  <Stablean> <Mks> hows the superstrong after that are those cl1?
16:09:41  <Stablean> <Mks> or cl 1.5?
16:09:47  <Stablean> <V453000> 1.5
16:10:02  <Stablean> <V453000> you cant have more speed on CL1 than the current one
16:10:08  <Stablean> <V453000> thats its point
16:10:18  <Stablean> <V453000> 105 is max there
16:10:18  <Stablean> <Mks> well isn't the wetrail faster
16:10:20  <Stablean> <Mks> and cl 5?
16:10:27  <Stablean> <Mks> cl 1
16:10:29  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean
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16:10:53  <Stablean> <V453000> wetrail isnt faster, maglev CL1 is 177 without tilt, around 211 with it
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16:11:03  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
16:11:05  <Stablean> <V453000> wetrail uses rail CL calculation, thus 88kmh without tilt
16:11:08  <Stablean> <V453000> 105 with
16:11:14  <Stablean> <Mks> but you said the maglev version is weaker?
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16:11:30  <Stablean> <V453000> there is no maglev version
16:11:36  <Stablean> <V453000> simply said
16:11:42  <Stablean> <V453000> slugs arent really a replacement for superstrong
16:11:48  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
16:12:08  <Stablean> <V453000> animal express (new train) might be available in about 20 years from now, which is a precedessor of slug
16:12:10  <Stablean> <Mks> so if I do tl 12 slug trains they won't be able to drag the train at full speed?
16:12:12  <Stablean> <V453000> with CL1
16:12:22  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
16:12:24  <Stablean> <V453000> they might be able to, but with terrible acceleration
16:12:30  <Stablean> <V453000> you will have to try that
16:12:33  <Stablean> <V453000> dont know
16:12:40  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't maglev faster aceel then trains?
16:12:48  <Stablean> <V453000> not exactly
16:12:57  <Stablean> <V453000> it calculates differently, but that does not mean it has to be faster :)
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16:13:56  <Stablean> <V453000> still I am of the opinion that wiht a trivial network with only one drop, keeping CL12 is not that hard even with the mountains here
16:14:03  <Stablean> <V453000> thus I believe fast monorail fits best for your needs :)
16:14:17  <Stablean> <V453000> I believe the first one should already be available
16:14:41  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh monorail is cl 1.5?
16:14:51  <Stablean> <V453000> I said CL12 not 1.5
16:14:51  <Stablean> <Mks> how is acceleration on monorail tho?
16:14:57  <Stablean> <V453000> try it :(
16:14:59  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
16:15:01  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
16:15:07  <Stablean> <V453000> read what the info about monorail fast trains says
16:15:14  <Stablean> <V453000> and you will understand why I suggest it for your network :P
16:15:40  <Stablean> <V453000> ps perhaps you dont absolutely have to keep CL12 absolutely everywhere, only important spots
16:15:58  <Stablean> <V453000> generally low CL does not hurt everywhere, and as you do not have "important spots" in your network, the CL1.5 is not really helping
16:16:41  <Stablean> <Mks> the superstrong has no slowdowns on uphills and is fast accel tho
16:17:19  <Stablean> <V453000> I already said what I think :)
16:17:42  <Stablean> <Mks> I know I guess I could do a purr rail and try one out
16:17:44  <Stablean> <Mks> but
16:17:50  <Stablean> <Mks> purr is expensive
16:18:05  <Stablean> <V453000> how do you not ignore money with the income you oget
16:18:11  <Stablean> <V453000> that I dont get :)
16:18:30  <Stablean> <Mks> :)
16:18:40  <Stablean> <V453000> btw converting by dragging over the whole map is easy too :P
16:18:54  <Stablean> <V453000> either by dragging from one viewport to another or just by scrolling with keyboard
16:18:54  <Stablean> <V453000> :P
16:19:12  <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh
16:19:26  <Stablean> <Mks> I usually zoom out a bit and take it piece by piece
16:27:10  <Stablean> <V453000> soo what now? :P
16:27:20  <Stablean> <Mks> what do you mean?
16:27:34  <Stablean> <V453000> still cant see monorail engines :>
16:27:49  <Stablean> <Mks> working on it
16:28:53  <Stablean> <Mks> strong one I guess?
16:29:59  <Stablean> <Mks> lol why does the train lose max speed with added locos
16:30:01  <Stablean> <V453000> in which train set did you find monorail strong :D
16:30:33  <Stablean> <V453000> use fast.
16:31:03  <Stablean> <V453000> 1 engine might work, 2 is safe
16:31:13  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't fast to weak tho?
16:31:19  <Stablean> <V453000> read the fucking menu
16:31:21  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
16:31:59  <Stablean> <Mks> I did doesn't mean I understand it
16:32:22  <Stablean> <V453000> what dont you undertand :d
16:32:24  <Stablean> <Mks> what the heck
16:32:30  <Stablean> <Mks> I can't use the hopper to the loco
16:32:38  <Stablean> <V453000> ofc it is chameleon hopper, the menu says that
16:33:08  <Stablean> <Mks> whats special about that hopper?
16:33:14  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf?
16:33:16  <Stablean> <V453000> it is chameleon hopper?
16:33:18  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
16:33:20  <Stablean> <V453000> this is monorail?
16:33:22  <Stablean> <Mks> it was
16:33:28  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't chami hopper monorail?
16:33:38  <Stablean> <V453000> it drives on monorail, yes, but has special wagons
16:33:48  <Stablean> <Mks> loading speed 2(2x) is that fast loading then?
16:33:56  <Stablean> <V453000> no, very slow
16:34:18  <Stablean> <V453000> 2x means for 2 parts of the wagon
16:34:24  <Stablean> <V453000> so technically 4 cargo per tick
16:34:27  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
16:34:33  <Stablean> <V453000> which with 28 capacity is 7 stages, not good
16:34:36  <Stablean> <Mks> so loading speed 8 means 8 cargo per tick?
16:34:42  <Stablean> <V453000> only worse are intercity trains, and wetrail things
16:34:44  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
16:34:58  <Stablean> <V453000> as mentioned on :)
16:35:14  <Stablean> <V453000> btw if you put engine on end of train, it automatically reverses
16:35:16  <Stablean> <V453000> looks nice
16:35:34  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh well cargo trains should have locos in front  :P
16:35:37  <Stablean> <V453000> also your train doesnt load coal :)
16:35:44  <Stablean> <V453000> should why
16:35:50  <Stablean> <V453000> it looks uglier
16:35:54  <Stablean> <Mks> always forget to refitt
16:36:32  <Stablean> <Mks> why do you suggest fast locos btw those are super weak?
16:36:42  <Stablean> <V453000> are they?
16:37:01  <Stablean> <Mks> but I read
16:37:04  <Stablean> <Mks> tesla
16:37:10  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
16:37:12  <Stablean> <Mks> 3549hp and 93kn
16:37:15  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
16:37:31  <Stablean> <V453000> now read the thing below
16:37:33  <Stablean> <V453000> in RED :D
16:37:39  <Stablean> <V453000> (easy to miss)
16:37:41  <Stablean> <Mks> but with two locos 35994 hk and 1143 Kn
16:37:44  <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't make sence
16:37:50  <Stablean> <V453000> seriously
16:37:53  <Stablean> <Mks> yes but
16:38:01  <Stablean> <Mks> does the wagons count as train unit?
16:38:04  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
16:38:06  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
16:38:10  <Stablean> <Mks> then I see
16:38:16  <Stablean> <V453000> train = whole thing
16:38:22  <Stablean> <V453000> engine = power unit
16:38:28  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
16:38:32  <Stablean> <V453000> except powered wagons, but only monorail intercity has that in nuts
16:38:34  <Stablean> <Mks> thats some special thing
16:38:58  <Stablean> <Mks> it sas up to 571kn but mine has 1143?
16:39:04  <Stablean> <Mks> is that since I have dual locos?
16:39:07  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
16:39:23  <Stablean> <V453000> I guess now you understand why fast monorail is good for TL12 :)
16:39:29  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
16:39:35  <Stablean> <Mks> so with 3 locos even stronger huh
16:39:41  <Stablean> <V453000> see it with 2 first
16:39:56  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think you will declare 3rd as necessary
16:39:59  <Stablean> <Mks> but biggest concern would be it really needs cl 12
16:40:13  <Stablean> <V453000> it does, but really only for the high traffic tracks
16:40:20  <Stablean> <V453000> well the earlier ones dont need it
16:40:30  <Stablean> <V453000> and the 3rd one has CL7 or 6 I think
16:40:33  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
16:40:43  <Stablean> <V453000> only the fastest one needs CL12
16:40:46  <Stablean> <V453000> but gains that much more speed in return
16:41:28  <Stablean> <Mks> accel is slower then superstrong
16:41:34  <Stablean> <V453000> well of course, a bit
16:41:48  <Stablean> <Mks> with 4 locos it accelerate faster?
16:42:10  <Stablean> <V453000> well it cant accelerate worse :)
16:42:20  <Stablean> <V453000> only question is if the improvement is worth it
16:42:22  <Stablean> <Mks> but will it accelerate twice as fast?
16:42:29  <Stablean> <V453000> define twice as fast
16:42:32  <Stablean> <V453000> in what regard twice
16:42:46  <Stablean> <V453000> it will accelerate with double power and TE.
16:42:52  <Stablean> <Mks> well if it takes 3s to full speed now with 2 extra locos 1.5sec?
16:43:02  <Stablean> <V453000> regarding acceleration time, trail, or speed, it isnt so linear
16:43:09  <Stablean> <V453000> idk, try
16:43:25  <Stablean> <V453000> but acceleration totally isnt only about the total time
16:44:13  <Stablean> <Mks> I do have some bad curves on my line tho
16:44:31  <Stablean> <V453000> hint: terminus stations do not need curves
16:44:49  <Stablean> <Mks> well I know but the line still has the bad curves
16:44:53  <Stablean> <V453000> primary stations probably can suffice with bad curves
16:45:00  <Stablean> <V453000> sure, thos ecan be fixed rather easily too
16:45:22  <Stablean> <Mks> it doesn't slow down in all non cl 12 curves
16:45:48  <Stablean> <V453000> I said the early models dont need full 12 :)
16:45:58  <Stablean> <V453000> cl will probably be around 5 atm
16:46:07  <V453000> @@clcalc monorail 281
16:46:09  <V453000> @clcalc monorail 281
16:46:09  <Webster> V453000: Required CL for monorail at 281km/h is 4 (7 half tiles) or TL
16:46:21  <Stablean> <V453000> or even 4.
16:46:39  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh so the later locos have higher cl?
16:46:49  <Stablean> <V453000> of course, because of higher speed
16:47:04  <Stablean> <V453000> it will probably be something like CL4 5 6
16:47:06  <Stablean> <V453000> and the last one CL12
16:47:20  <Stablean> <Mks> mm it has twcie the hp and twice the traction now
16:47:22  <Stablean> <V453000> but the last one gains a lot of speed
16:47:28  <Stablean> <Mks> not sure if it accel twice as fast tho
16:47:35  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
16:47:53  <Stablean> <V453000> that is why I sort of said it might not be worth it to add that many more engines
16:48:00  <Stablean> <V453000> also, more modern models might accelerate even better
16:48:18  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
16:48:20  <Stablean> <V453000> I think 3 engines is reasonable, 2 is ok
16:48:27  <Stablean> <Mks> problarby yes
16:48:46  <Stablean> <V453000> I personally would use 2 or 4 because I prefer putting engines on both ends
16:48:56  <Stablean> <V453000> (especially with terminus stations that is a ton nicer)
16:49:14  <Stablean> <Mks> true I don't have any terminus on this map tho
16:49:34  <Stablean> <V453000> it is stupid to build CL12 roro
16:49:40  <Stablean> <V453000> instead of no CL terminus
16:49:43  <Stablean> <Mks> well
16:49:49  <Stablean> <Mks> on a diffrent map perhaps
16:49:59  <Stablean> <V453000> on exactly this map :)
16:50:14  <Stablean> <Mks> gona go for 3 locos
16:50:32  <Stablean> <V453000> if this map is already quite hard, saving space for less curves is key
16:50:42  <Stablean> <V453000> thus which other map should be more suitable for terminus with this high CL :P
16:50:54  <Stablean> <Mks> flat one
16:51:00  <Stablean> <V453000> why
16:51:10  <Stablean> <V453000> you wouldnt care about the huge assness of roro on a flat map
16:51:20  <Stablean> <V453000> nor about the curve it causes
16:51:22  <Stablean> <Mks> well takes more space to build an terminus or well mine takes more space at least
16:51:32  <Stablean> <V453000> hardly
16:51:50  <Stablean> <V453000> please show me a smaller roro with CL12 than terminus :)
16:51:57  <Stablean> <V453000> even if you make CL12 circle without any stations it will be huge already
16:52:12  <Stablean> <Mks> I know but I wasn't planning for cl 12
16:52:15  <Stablean> <Mks> more like cl 1.5
16:52:26  <Stablean> <V453000> originally, not now
16:53:06  <Stablean> <V453000> update brain to newest situation :P
16:53:16  <Stablean> <Mks> can't :P
16:53:24  <Stablean> <V453000> oh
16:53:30  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
16:53:44  <Stablean> <Mks> well I am not that good at building terminus stations
16:54:03  <Stablean> <Mks> except things that take alot of space in front of em
16:54:05  <Stablean> <V453000> you cant be "good at building terminus stations"
16:54:08  <Stablean> <V453000> it is so easy that you cant
16:54:26  <Stablean> <V453000> well, wont change anything without trying :P
16:55:05  <Stablean> <Mks> mm is 2 tracks enough tho
16:55:15  <Stablean> <V453000> for now yes
16:55:17  <Stablean> <V453000> can always expand later?
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16:59:43  <Stablean> <V453000> you should see !stuf btw
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17:00:09  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh thnx
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17:14:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
17:15:00  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
17:15:26  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi happy
17:15:28  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi all
17:15:50  <Stablean> <Mks> wtf the mine is gone
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17:33:19  <Stablean> <Jam35> lol oh dear
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17:33:49  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  jam
17:33:51  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
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17:40:47  <Stablean> <Player> Yo MK!
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17:41:21  <Stablean> <Mks> hi r1kkie
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17:42:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Jävlar va trä jag hade nu då-
17:42:11  <Stablean> <Mks> :)
17:42:21  <Stablean> <Mks> jag levererar bara kol jag
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17:43:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Jag har typ max antal täg för linjen, det blir stopp om jag kör fler. :/
17:43:55  <Stablean> <Mks> går la alltid ha fler
17:44:05  <Stablean> <Mks> sett stationer med 700 tåg på en station
17:44:20  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Inte stationen som är problemet. :/
17:44:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Har en korsning där det blir stoppp i. Typ för trångt å bygga dubbla spår. :/
17:45:42  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
17:45:52  <Stablean> <Mks> längre tåg då
17:46:19  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Möjligt om jag får plats med längre station. :(
17:46:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
17:46:44  <Stablean> <Mks> monorail tåg rymmer mer annars med
17:46:54  <Stablean> <Mks> maglev är snabbare men har lägre kapacitet
17:47:12  <Stablean> <r1kkie> aha okok. Pallar nog inte å ändra en gång till. :)
17:47:32  <Stablean> <Mks> kör du purr rail
17:47:42  <Stablean> <Mks> kan du köra både monorail och maglev tåg på samma rail
17:47:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okej visste jag inte
17:47:54  <Stablean> <Mks> konvertera till purr sen bytt automatiskt till monorail
17:48:25  <Stablean> <Mks> använd fast loco passar bäst till längre tåg
17:49:44  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Får se om jag orkar. :) Nu ska jag ivåg å bada lite.
17:49:50  <Stablean> <Mks> ok
17:50:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ha de fint! GLHF!
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19:23:47  <Stablean> <r1kkie> mk there?
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19:27:08  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
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19:41:31  <Stablean> <Mks> jo det kan man
19:42:21  <Stablean> <Mks> måste autoreplaca både vagnar och lok för o byta från maglev till monorail
19:43:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hmm så jag gjorde, sen bärjade de poppa upp rutor att det inte går. :(
19:44:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Skitsamma.
19:44:12  <Stablean> <Mks> måste byta lok och vagn samtidigt
19:44:22  <Stablean> <Mks> alltså du måste byta till monorail vagn
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19:44:27  <Stablean> <Mks> och monorail lok
19:44:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Mm
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19:45:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> wb  jam
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19:49:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Gjorde väll nått galet då. :P
19:50:00  <Stablean> <Mks> gjort manuellt byte nu?
19:50:23  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aaa. Till längre också. De funkar väll inte å göra automatiskt va?
19:50:30  <Stablean> <Mks> näe
19:50:37  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi happy
19:50:51  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
19:50:54  <Stablean> <Mks> går om man har olika längd på vagnarna men inte med n uts
19:51:04  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> nice network
19:51:18  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
19:51:20  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> and the trains ar kool
19:53:08  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Fan va du ligger högt på inkom nu MK. :)
19:55:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
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19:59:14  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> jam have  u got a minte
19:59:28  <Stablean> <Jam35> yess
20:00:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> see my sign  say  overflo
20:00:12  <Stablean> <Jam35> whaddayawant?
20:00:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> ok
20:00:48  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> really nice
20:01:07  <Stablean> <Jam35> what about it?
20:01:08  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i am  trying  to doo a overflo  but i not shor  if i have not  dun it rite
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20:02:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> hm nearly
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20:05:58  <Stablean> <Jam35> not bad
20:06:25  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  so that  shord werk
20:06:51  <Stablean> <Jam35> I just added prio for trains in the loop over depoted
20:07:14  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
20:07:20  <Stablean> <Jam35> oh the reverser is too short
20:07:22  <Stablean> <Jam35> TL4
20:07:56  <Stablean> <Jam35> ooh no need
20:08:07  <Stablean> <Jam35> do it angled :P
20:08:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ar  i see
20:08:37  <Stablean> <Jam35> your money lol
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20:09:12  <Stablean> <Jam35> one other thing
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20:10:00  <Stablean> <Jam35> and some block signals are missing
20:10:19  <Stablean> <Jam35> after your sign
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20:11:42  <Stablean> <Jam35> well ...try it out
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20:12:01  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  thanks
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20:13:11  <Stablean> <Jam35> I would like to get rid of that gap
20:13:25  <Stablean> <Jam35> It will just be a bit slow
20:13:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> but will work
20:13:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> go of  it
20:15:10  <Stablean> <Jam35> so add some trains :)
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20:20:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Tack för att du föreslog längre tåg MK! :)
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20:24:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> remove that signal by the word gap
20:25:12  <Stablean> <Jam35> (to happy)
20:25:58  <Stablean> <Jam35> now trains will wait
20:26:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> by gap I mean that you want to get trains out of the reverser as soon as possible
20:26:51  <Stablean> <Jam35> that 'gap' makes it longer hence slower
20:27:42  <Stablean> <Jam35> you could put a normal block signal there
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20:35:31  <Stablean> <Jam35> V453000: would it be possible to have a 'company colour' PURR ?
20:35:34  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Small tarins MK
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20:39:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  my  nexs  job  is  to up grade all  my ml to  2 way  sume how
20:42:10  <V453000> no, rails cannot have company colour ... otherwise I would have already done that., Though it is not absolutely out of the question that it might be available in t he futuer
20:42:42  <Stablean> <V453000> btw r1kkie, ask !admin only when _necessary_
20:42:53  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Sorry
20:43:19  <Stablean> <V453000> nothing happened, just dont do it anymore for no reason :P
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20:43:45  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well at the time I had a reason but worked around it. :D
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20:43:53  <Stablean> <V453000> what reason
20:44:10  <Stablean> <V453000> if there is a reason, it generally means you cannot work around it on your own :P
20:44:33  <Stablean> <V453000> also, Mks how are them trains? :P
20:44:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> The yellows track was kind of in the way, and they are not used.
20:45:05  <Mkss> they work fine B as you said much better option then superstrong
20:45:29  <Mkss> have a few bad curves left but only minor slow downs so it doesn't matter
20:45:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> B for bastard :)
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20:47:42  <BiG_MeEcH> B453000 ?
20:48:03  <BiG_MeEcH> yo Happy Transport
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20:50:16  <Stablean> <V453000> omfg not meech
20:50:55  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> gn all
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20:51:03  <Stablean> <r1kkie> GN!
20:51:13  <Stablean> <Jam35> by
20:51:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> me toe
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20:53:10  <Jam35> hm happy's spelling is catching
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21:03:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> wops. cheep to demolish in the water. :D
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21:07:34  <Stablean> <Cameron> wb
21:08:28  <Stablean> <Diablo> ty
21:08:30  <Stablean> <Diablo> hello
21:08:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello
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21:18:20  <Stablean> <Mks> water is super expensive to demolish
21:18:26  <Stablean> <Cameron> :)
21:18:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Heh yes, accidently demolished water insteed of ship depot
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21:29:32  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nice income MKs!
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21:53:42  <Stablean> <V453000> r1kkie: if you dont have long trains, monorail fast class isnt worth it ;)
21:54:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What is better? :S
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22:01:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Admin: can you move yellows track near my big wood station. Look at sign, its noot beeing used
22:08:36  <Stablean> <V453000> for not-super-long trains: everything is better than monorail fast :)
22:08:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okok, what counts as superlong? :D
22:09:05  <Stablean> <V453000> 8+
22:09:09  <Stablean> <V453000> tles
22:09:11  <Stablean> <V453000> tiles
22:09:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ty
22:09:43  <Stablean> <V453000> just approximate value
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22:10:49  <Stablean> <V453000> what is for sure is that your feeders could use an autoreplace
22:10:59  <Stablean> <V453000> probably something like rail medium or even strong would be quite useful
22:11:03  <Stablean> <V453000> perhaps chameleons too
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22:35:53  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Me?
22:36:07  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> yeah
22:36:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thanks man, was borred so wanted to do something. :)
22:36:59  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> :)
22:37:02  <Stablean> <r1kkie> You know a good way to change orders on all trains? :D
22:37:28  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> only cloning
22:37:42  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> edit one and cloneit
22:37:42  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, good evening, or maybe night, or maybe even morning for some of you
22:37:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Good night Anson
22:38:00  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> night for me
22:38:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> RTM: Alright. think Im to low for cash right now.
22:38:16  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> 1:42AM
22:38:24  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 0:42AM here
22:38:35  <Stablean> <Anson> if you set trains up properly from the start, it is easy tio change orders ... use shared orders
22:38:49  <Stablean> <Anson> 0.42 for me too
22:39:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What is shared orders? Never heard of it. :)
22:39:06  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> nice Amson and r1kkie
22:39:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Or more important, how do you make em? :)
22:39:31  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> insted on station you
22:39:41  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> on train you set earlyer
22:39:51  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> that works
22:40:17  <Stablean> <Anson> when you clone trains, you can use CTRL ... then you don't only have a copy of the train and orders, but they share orders
22:40:35  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> cloning and share
22:40:53  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aha, that will come in handy in the future. Thanks mates!
22:40:53  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> the same click on trains
22:40:59  <Stablean> <Anson> and for shared orders, there is only ONE list of orders which is used by all those trains : when you change it on one train, all such trains will use the changed order list
22:41:25  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> and if you remove the firs train
22:41:49  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> the oders have no orders
22:42:00  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to copy orders of one train to another, select "goto" and click on that other train ... and again: ctrl-clik on the other train to share orders
22:42:43  <Stablean> <r1kkie> RTM Really? Seems kind of bad
22:42:47  <Stablean> <Anson> the game uses one copy of the orders for all trains ... it will only be gone when the last shared train is gone
22:43:49  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Will get something to eat before I get started.
22:44:08  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> ok
22:44:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thanks for all the advises
22:44:32  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> :)
22:44:44  <Stablean> <Anson> there is one more hint for shared orders :
22:44:50  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> glad to be at service
22:45:00  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> me and Anson
22:45:42  <Stablean> <Anson> in the window which shows all trains, you can create groups ... and then use commands like "send to depot" for the whole group ...
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22:46:13  <Stablean> <Anson> and one of those commands is also to "add shared trains" which will move all trains with shared orders to the same group
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22:47:16  <Stablean> <Anson> really useful after you have changed orders of one train so that it belongs to a different group, or when you didn't set up groups or shared orders properly at the beginning
22:47:44  <Stablean> <Anson> and finally, one of the commands for groups is to autoreplace trains :-)
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22:57:47  <Stablean> <Anson> rikkie, when you are back from eating, look at any of my planes ... they got special orders so that they can share tem even when some have a high range (those slow zeppelins and the fast big ones) and use an intermediate stop when they are normal planes with a shorter range
23:04:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Back
23:04:38  <Stablean> <Anson> did you see the orders of my planes ?
23:04:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Going to check now
23:05:02  <Stablean> <Cameron> update your planes anson :)
23:05:28  <Stablean> <Anson> i had a zeppeling with range 640 and two smaller planes with range 350
23:05:42  <Stablean> <Anson> thus thesmaller planes needed another airport in between
23:05:44  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Cool
23:05:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Never seen that before
23:05:57  <Stablean> <Anson> but with the conditionals, i still could use shared orders
23:06:35  <Stablean> <Anson> and the other conditional for maintenance is done to send them there if i select an autorefit order
23:07:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hmm dont even know where to begin. :)
23:07:37  <Stablean> <Anson> trains with "goto depot" (or was thatonly for "maintain at depot" ?) never go to depots themselves (when maintenance is off, like it is always on this server)
23:08:23  <Stablean> <Anson> but they still do maintenance when they need to autoreplace, and then my check kicks in and sends them to a specific depot at a specific place in the order list, instead of using a random depot
23:09:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Little to advanced for me at the time. :)
23:09:27  <Stablean> <Anson> open the overview window for showing all my planes
23:09:43  <Stablean> <Anson> you should see that i put all planes in a group
23:10:17  <Stablean> <Anson> for three, it is a bit overkill maybe :-) ... but it should be a habit to group everything
23:10:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes I agree, after the chaos I have created now. LOL
23:10:46  <Stablean> <Anson> at the bottom right you can select "manage list" (click and hold) for more options
23:11:36  <Stablean> <Anson> most interesting with the shared orders is that you easily can add all vehicles with the same shared orders to a group
23:12:24  <Stablean> <Anson> if you start sharing orders only now, it is useful too: you easily can see which vehicles already have shared orders and which don't (you find them in "ungrouped vehicles)
23:12:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes Im with you on that. What I meant was a litte to advanced was all your speciall orders on your plane. :)
23:13:06  <Stablean> <Anson> just look at orders 1 and 6 on the planes ... that are the normal main commands
23:13:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
23:13:38  <Stablean> <Anson> then 5 and 10 are the intermediate airports for long distance
23:14:12  <Stablean> <Anson> and finally, the conditionals just check the speed and skip that additioanl airport
23:15:02  <Stablean> <Anson> and the other conditionals (2 and 7) just do the opposite: they skip the other conditionals and thus always go to the intermediate depot
23:16:20  <Stablean> <Anson> if you do such orders for the first time, it might be handy to draw a flow chart, with boxes for all the goto orders, and arrows for the conditionals
23:17:04  <Stablean> <Anson> when you are used to flow charts, you can easily imagine the flowchart in your head when you see an order list :-)
23:20:03  <Stablean> <Anson> i will autoreplace planes now ... pick any (or all) of my planes and open their order list ... then watch which orders are executed ...
23:20:23  <Stablean> <Anson> ready ?
23:20:49  <Stablean> <Cameron> yup
23:21:31  <Stablean> <Anson> i just gave the autoreplace order, but planes will first do what they were told to do
23:21:45  <Stablean> <Anson> plane 2 now should go to the depot
23:21:55  <Stablean> <Anson> now 3
23:22:13  <Stablean> <Anson> and now also 1
23:22:28  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> when they land their go to hanger
23:22:43  <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl-click on the destination in the plane's windows ... that will take you there on the map
23:23:09  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> thats the follow
23:24:16  <Stablean> <Anson> no ... follow a vehicle by ctrl-clicking on the yellow 4 arrows .... what i meant was ctrl-clicking on the destiation/speed display, where you single click to stop them
23:24:34  <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl-click there moves the viewport to the destination
23:28:29  <Stablean> <Anson> just for demonstration, i will now replace plane 2 by an airbus A320 ,,, slower than 850
23:28:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hold on man, Im kind of bussy. :)
23:29:26  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> commnad ar found on wiki openttdd
23:29:32  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> all
23:29:36  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> of them
23:33:55  <Stablean> <Anson> you can watch the planes anytime now ... two have large range and speed and will take the direct route ... and plane 3 is small, slow and has lesser range, thus will do the intermediate stop
23:35:30  <Stablean> <Anson> too bad that the autoreplace is too intelligent :-( ... it sees that there are conditionals and doesn't autoreplace in case the conditionals woudn't be met ... but after i manually changed the plane, it works
23:47:38  <Stablean> <Anson> rikkie, you have a single depot leftover at !depot
23:47:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What? :S
23:49:47  <Stablean> <Anson> 50 years ago, you built a depot at my sign !depot, without network connection
23:50:05  <Stablean> <Anson> probably to test something, or see which trains are available
23:50:28  <Stablean> <r1kkie> How do I find it? :)
23:50:50  <Stablean> <Anson> i said "at my sign !depot"
23:51:00  <Stablean> <Anson> open the list of signs and click it
23:51:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Where is the sign list? :S
23:51:21  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Sry new to this stuff. :)
23:51:27  <Stablean> <Anson> at the top: map icon, hold and then see
23:51:43  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Slice
23:51:57  <Stablean> <Slice> I like these grf's :P
23:51:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ah there we go
23:52:25  <Stablean> <Slice> what type of trains are these?
23:52:47  <Stablean> <Anson> people mostly use signs with a leasing "!" to indicate problems, or something that has to be fixed
23:53:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I see
23:53:27  <Stablean> *** Slice has started a new company (#11)
23:53:39  <Stablean> <Anson> eg !gap when there are signals missing, or !cl when a curve is too tight
23:54:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ok will try to remember that
23:54:20  <Stablean> *** Slice has left the game (leaving)
23:54:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> So now when I have made trains with shared orders, could I group them easy?

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