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00:34:52 *** gnemonix has joined #openttdcoop.stable 00:49:21 <Stablean> *** KTG joined the game 00:55:53 <Stablean> *** KTG has left the game (leaving) 01:17:28 <Stablean> *** RTM joined the game 01:22:04 <Stablean> *** RTM has left the game (leaving) 01:42:25 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 02:24:40 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#12) 02:24:44 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 02:24:54 <Stablean> <Player> hey 02:25:00 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#13) 02:25:21 <Stablean> <Anson> hey, anonymous player 02:25:52 <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, people should select a username when they activekly play 02:26:22 <Stablean> <Anson> you can do that with !nick in the chat here, or set a default name on the multiplayer screen before you join servers 02:36:53 <Stablean> <Player> Hello 02:39:17 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to <MR.M4G1C> 02:39:57 <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, Mr.NoLoNgErAnOnYmOuS :-) 02:43:32 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> why can i only make 3 planes? 02:43:44 <Stablean> <Anson> this server is mostly about trains 02:44:14 <Stablean> <Anson> usually, planes and ships cost a LOT, and can make you bankrupt in seconds :-) 02:44:24 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> ah... there are almost no servers without limitations, anoying 02:44:31 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> i would make money 02:44:38 <Stablean> <Anson> in this game, prices are normal, but number is reduced to 10 RV, 3 ships and 3 planes 02:44:44 <Stablean> <Sylf> you make money no matter what 02:45:26 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> but vladim ahve 4 planes? 02:45:29 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> *have 02:45:51 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> how? 02:45:51 <Stablean> <Anson> building train networks shall be encouraged, and not to have 2 airports in every town and hundreds of ships 02:46:29 <Stablean> <Anson> maybe he built them before the limit was corrected on the new map 02:47:01 <Stablean> <<MR.M4G1C>> ah... well im off to bed, bye 02:47:23 <Stablean> *** <MR.M4G1C> has left the game (leaving) 02:47:31 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: sylf, can you check Vadim50RUS ? he has only 4 stopped airplanes and doesn't play for hours 02:47:45 <Stablean> <Sylf> what do you want me to do? 02:48:51 <Stablean> <Anson> his company doesn't go bankrupt easily since he has stopped vehicles and the inflation always increases the max loan ... 02:49:13 <Stablean> <Sylf> and what do you want me to do? 02:49:19 <Stablean> <Anson> but for now, we have enough empty slots for more companies, thus no imediate action is needed 02:51:49 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 02:55:37 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined spectators 02:55:37 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 03:04:48 *** Anson has quit IRC 03:05:06 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 04:02:55 *** gnemonix has quit IRC 04:11:01 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 04:11:02 <Stablean> *** Cameron joined the game 04:14:21 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined company #13 04:14:55 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined company #6 04:26:12 <Stablean> <Anson> morning, cam ... is there any function to show the radius of planes on the map ? 04:40:31 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #9 04:41:48 <Stablean> <Cameron> nope 04:48:55 <Stablean> *** _lexa_55 has started a new company (#12) 04:48:57 <Stablean> *** _lexa_55 joined the game 04:56:13 <Stablean> *** _lexa_55 has left the game (leaving) 05:15:45 <Stablean> *** puncifely joined the game 05:15:53 <Stablean> *** puncifely has left the game (leaving) 05:21:36 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 05:21:41 <Stablean> <V453000> hy 05:27:27 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 05:28:28 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 05:52:10 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#14) 05:52:14 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 05:53:31 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 05:56:48 *** BiG_MeEcH has joined #openttdcoop.stable 05:56:53 <BiG_MeEcH> woooooooooooooooooo! 05:56:55 <BiG_MeEcH> !players 05:56:58 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 249 (Brown) is Cameron, in company 6 (OTTD mail Company) 05:56:58 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 148 (Light Blue) is Anson, in company 9 (Anson Transport) 05:56:58 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 255 is V453000, a spectator 05:57:09 <BiG_MeEcH> Oh nice, all of my favorite people are here! 05:57:15 <BiG_MeEcH> !dl lin64 05:57:15 <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.3.2/openttd-1.3.2-linux-generic-amd64.tar.xz 05:57:16 <Stablean> <Cameron> V, is it possible when you make your own industry set that you can set it so it makes more than a certain amount, idk 10k -13k a month ? 05:57:26 <Stablean> <Cameron> heya Meeches 05:58:00 <Stablean> <Cameron> or if anyone can answer that question... 05:58:15 <BiG_MeEcH> I think they way the code is written now is that it can't, would make the game less fun in my opinion 05:58:27 <BiG_MeEcH> sorta takes some of the gun away 05:58:29 <Stablean> <Cameron> blah, thats no fun 05:58:34 <BiG_MeEcH> *fun, not gun 05:59:06 <Stablean> <Cameron> if rarely that happened 06:00:02 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 06:00:10 <Stablean> <Cameron> love to code, draw sprites of my own work, make realistic changes/ add ons of I think of. 06:01:40 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #1 06:03:53 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 06:05:18 <BiG_MeEcH> When you go into cheat mode, you can specify how many tons the primaries make 06:05:27 <BiG_MeEcH> so its already sorta a feature 06:05:45 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 06:06:24 <BiG_MeEcH> to me its more fun trying to see how well you can service evertything to make that total higher 06:06:44 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #1 06:07:17 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 06:08:07 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I forgot how cool blimps were 06:08:41 <Stablean> <Anson> you can enable primaries next to each other (more than 1 per town), and fund a dozen or more of them, plus cheat the production to max, thus easily generating 24k+ cargo on a single normal station 06:09:40 <BiG_MeEcH> You'd need a pretty efficient railway for that 06:10:27 <BiG_MeEcH> Thought of doing a helipad in your town, Anson? 06:10:33 <BiG_MeEcH> for the blimP? 06:11:25 <Stablean> <Anson> I'm still looking for the opposite: secondaries which have a production limit, so that you need a relation of promaries and secondaries, eg 4 primaries = 1 secondary, and maybe even 4 secondaries = 1 tertiary 06:12:05 <BiG_MeEcH> I'm pretty sure production is capped at the secondaries though 06:12:21 <Stablean> <Anson> i am experimenting with pax ... now want to try transporting them not by real ship, but mostly by "wet ships" :-) 06:12:23 <BiG_MeEcH> IIRC, its dependent on the number of tiles that the secondary is 06:13:05 <BiG_MeEcH> obviously, you will only hit the secondary limit only with obscene amounts of cargo, I saw it once in PS 06:13:09 <Stablean> <Anson> somewhere on the wiki, i read something like 2k per tile, thus max 24k for a factory with footprint 12 06:13:31 <BiG_MeEcH> yup, something like that 06:13:41 <Stablean> <Anson> but that is a limit which is not shown and which can't be tested 06:14:02 <BiG_MeEcH> Not so, I've seen it before I'm pretty sure 06:14:30 <BiG_MeEcH> I'm pretty sure its coded in the program that way 06:14:36 <Stablean> <Anson> there is one grf that has delayed production and shows the current storage and production, but it has many other side effects which make it a real industry grf and don't only introduce the limits 06:15:08 <BiG_MeEcH> It may be different with Firs, for example 06:16:17 <Stablean> <Anson> too coplicated ... what i want is just the opposite of refitting and testing to see whether some trains can be empty and reused immediately 06:16:47 <Stablean> <Anson> it should require testing, and then zusing overflows or other methods for drop stations too 06:17:14 <BiG_MeEcH> sounds cool but I'm exhausted 06:17:33 <BiG_MeEcH> catch up with you guys more tomorrow and or during the week, bedtime! :D 06:17:51 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game 06:17:59 <BiG_MeEcH> hi TmC 06:18:18 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi breezah talk Meech 06:18:50 <Stablean> <Big Meech> dranpool needs more horses 06:18:52 <Stablean> <Big Meech> xD 06:19:07 <Stablean> <Big Meech> anyhoo, goodnight! :D 06:19:08 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol 06:24:02 <Stablean> <Anson> is there some option, or was that already suggested sometime ago, that the world map gets indicators for the range of planes ? ... it is very difficult to see where to build intermediate airports to extend the range of planes 06:24:28 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dunno 06:24:35 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you don't mean walking stations? 06:24:43 <Stablean> <Anson> no 06:25:09 <Stablean> <Anson> planes have a range, and like speed and capacity, the range can also be different for each single plane 06:25:36 <Stablean> <Anson> eg zeppelin has 640, other planes have only 350, 250, or even less than 100 06:26:19 <Stablean> <Anson> to fly long distance, you need to use intermediate airports 06:27:23 <Stablean> <Anson> but the only method i found to measure those distances is to put down a fake rail and look at the distance indicator ... which only shows vertical and horizontal distance, and not the range for planes 06:28:21 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to be honest, I don't think it's possible, tho 06:29:19 <Stablean> <Anson> just look at the overlays for pathes from cargodist ... whouldn't it be possible to draw circles around airports ? 06:29:29 <Stablean> <Anson> of course, that doesn't exist yet 06:43:29 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 06:45:26 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttdcoop.stable 07:07:42 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 07:07:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wb 07:13:59 <Stablean> <Mks> ansom 07:14:13 <Stablean> <Mks> anson I think its something wrong with your wetrail 07:14:32 <Stablean> <Anson> yes ? 07:14:52 <Stablean> <Mks> check sign !here 07:15:14 <Stablean> <Anson> i am still waiting for the first trains to be filled, and just sent them to depot to make the stations longer ... which failed because of angry authorities :-( 07:15:24 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 07:15:51 <Stablean> <Mks> shouldn't have longer trains then station it takes forever to load then 07:16:29 <Stablean> <Anson> not too bad now : it is filled with a ship, and thus takes forever anyway :-) LOL+# 07:18:05 <Stablean> <Anson> but i think there is an error somewhere on the long way to Dondingworth Woods ... maybe a bad signal or something 07:18:47 <Stablean> <Anson> the wet train doesn't enter the long route ... 07:19:02 <Stablean> <Anson> i will force it now, and then watch ... 07:20:08 <Stablean> <Mks> its a bad curve 07:20:10 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> darr it is 07:20:13 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope 07:20:15 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wrong signal 07:20:19 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 07:20:21 <Stablean> <Mks> right 07:20:24 <Stablean> <Anson> found the bad signal :-) 07:23:54 <Stablean> *** Pim joined the game 07:24:58 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, my first train on this map is about to deliver its cargo ... 2300 pax :-) 07:25:36 <Stablean> <Anson> big question now : how do i get the pax from the station to town ? .-) LOL 07:26:14 <Stablean> <Mks> trams? 07:26:25 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> make them walk... 07:26:47 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lazy bastards... 07:29:59 <Stablean> *** Pim has left the game (leaving) 07:35:31 <Stablean> <Anson> trams ? walk ? ... either won't work ... they need to swim ! 07:36:09 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol 07:39:05 <Stablean> <Anson> if MK rebuilds the network between Flefingley Market and Quartburg, i might be able to shorten the ship transfer a bit ... but not now, and playing with ships and planes is only for fun anyway# 07:39:55 <Stablean> <Mks> use suthill as destination instead 07:39:57 <Stablean> <Mks> larger city 07:40:03 <Stablean> <Mks> and not near my rail 07:40:06 <Stablean> *** insulano joined the game 07:42:03 <Stablean> *** insulano has joined spectators 07:42:52 <Stablean> <Anson> or even easier: dondingworth :-) 07:43:11 <Stablean> <Mks> well yes but low pop 07:43:17 <Stablean> <Mks> so hard to load train there 07:43:23 <Stablean> <Anson> only pax drop 07:43:35 <Stablean> *** insulano has joined company #12 07:44:35 <Stablean> <Anson> i wanted to play with only two towns ... thus had selected two towns at the range of a zeppelin ... then added ships, and now replaced part of the ships route by wet ... that's why i wanted to stick to the original destination 07:45:06 <Stablean> <Anson> but with only 3 ships max, i get problems anyway to load pax and mail (2 ships) and to unkload them again (again 2 ships) 07:45:34 <Stablean> *** insulano has joined spectators 07:45:46 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 07:46:38 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #2 07:46:58 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Player, please change your name 07:47:08 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to r1kkie 07:47:12 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Morning everyone! 07:47:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> righti-o 07:47:18 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> morning 07:47:24 <Stablean> <r1kkie> How u doing? 07:47:34 <Stablean> <Anson> that's the general problem again ... i collect pax with buses, then deliver them to the train via ship, and finally transfer them again via ship from the train to the destination ... how can i transport pax the other way back when not using cargodist ? 07:48:08 <Stablean> *** insulano has started a new company (#13) 07:48:52 <Stablean> <Mks> if its an transfer station you can't I think you need one pickup and and drop one then 07:49:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good, rik 07:49:37 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 07:49:41 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, I'm off... 07:49:43 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb 07:49:50 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (leaving) 07:50:00 <Stablean> <ROM5419> well that was fast 07:50:06 <Stablean> <Cameron> lol 07:50:45 <Stablean> <ROM5419> sorry i wasn't on last night 07:51:03 <Stablean> <Cameron> no worries 07:51:13 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i had to do a government-enforced essay on satanic white christians and their evil deeds 07:51:23 <Stablean> <ROM5419> whatever that is 07:53:09 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 07:54:02 <Stablean> *** insulano has left the game (leaving) 07:54:52 <Stablean> *** insulano joined the game 07:59:12 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i don't see any problem with allowing planes and ships 07:59:46 <Stablean> <ROM5419> other than being the reason why OTTD mail is so high ranked 08:00:26 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has started a new company (#14) 08:00:59 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i hate the fact that there's no 'asian' setting in the face selection 08:01:41 <Stablean> <Anson> i think there are grf files for asian faces and for manga faces 08:01:59 <Stablean> <ROM5419> still, it's quite racist to me 08:02:03 <Stablean> <ROM5419> no offense :) 08:02:58 <Stablean> <Anson> always depends on where you live ... 08:04:22 *** Mks has joined #openttdcoop.stable 08:04:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mks 08:04:24 <Stablean> <ROM5419> who inflated the currency so much? 08:07:54 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 08:11:01 *** Mkss has quit IRC 08:13:22 <Stablean> <Anson> rom, that was probably the inflation :-) 08:29:45 <Stablean> <ROM5419> even a homegrown metro company can become 10/14th. Buck up, people! 08:32:11 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has joined spectators 08:32:17 <Stablean> <ROM5419> anyone need assistance? 08:32:44 <Stablean> *** insulano has left the game (leaving) 08:32:52 <Stablean> <Cameron> nop, I'm good, unless you wanna link up more towns for mail... 08:34:02 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i wonder how can V453K get the ideas for the WETrails and cargo sprites without being high on LSD 08:35:30 <Stablean> <Anson> do you know ? :-) 08:36:08 <Stablean> <ROM5419> is it me or do the Reborns look suspiciously like sydney cityrail stock 08:37:50 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: a long timeago, i had vague ideas that ships should get orders like trains and not cross the ocean and get lost all the time ... what i was missing was the idea how to do it, and then the work to program it, draw it, test it, and repeat all the time, until it was usable like now 08:38:45 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i see... the canal design is quite realistic. not sure about the sanity of the "articulated ships" though... 08:40:09 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: there are more grfs with strange railtypes 08:40:32 <Stablean> <ROM5419> very creative! combination of the two 08:40:42 <Stablean> <Cameron> Purr for example 08:40:48 <Stablean> <ROM5419> although i still miss the nyan train though -- 08:41:03 <Stablean> <Anson> i know at least one: pipelines ... rails are pipelines, the trains are called pumps and look like arrows that indicate the flow of liquids, and they should be usable to transport water and oil 08:41:17 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i use that all the time in SP 08:41:33 <Stablean> <ROM5419> what about vactrains 08:42:25 <Stablean> <Anson> they are a bit strange, but a nice idea ... but for real gameplay, trains at supersonic speeds are not my taste 08:42:51 <Stablean> <Anson> and do you know the hovercraft RV sets ? 08:43:08 <Stablean> <ROM5419> they are my taste though :) the only problem is that they're too fast for server stability 08:43:30 <Stablean> <ROM5419> single player only material 08:43:54 <Stablean> <Anson> I just started testing which gfs work together ... already got some errors for having too many tracktypes :-( 08:44:13 <Stablean> <Cameron> lol 08:44:23 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has joined company #14 08:44:31 <Stablean> <Anson> just take nutracks and purr ... 08:44:45 <Stablean> <ROM5419> anything but nutracks. 08:45:19 <Stablean> <Anson> how many tracktypes is that ? 10 from nu, and 5 from purr, plus mono and maglev ... and the limit is 14 or 15 08:45:33 <Stablean> <ROM5419> its 12. 08:45:40 <Stablean> <ROM5419> the limit is 12 08:45:46 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i think 08:47:00 <Stablean> <Anson> just started a new offline game : 16 tracktypes is max 08:47:10 <Stablean> <ROM5419> they raised it? nice 08:47:16 <Stablean> <ROM5419> new possibilities 08:49:23 <Stablean> <ROM5419> long shi*s you have there 08:51:41 <Stablean> <Anson> the new game had loaded nitracks (2 low, 2 medium, 2 high, 1 very high, and the 2 normal, plus track planning... lifted tracks ... then normal mono and maglev, universal from nuts, pipelines, vactrain, and no space for a single purr type :-( 08:52:07 <Stablean> <ROM5419> there has to be a limit 08:52:41 <Stablean> <ROM5419> the higher priority now should be roadtypes 08:52:47 <Stablean> <ROM5419> where is my PRT 08:52:47 <Stablean> <Anson> in my offline games, i limit the number of town/industry sets :-) 08:53:09 <Stablean> <ROM5419> i don't even play offline anymore =.= boring 08:55:23 <Stablean> <Anson> i don't do full games offline, but i often use saved games and look at details, or i try how some grf works, how to build overflows, etc 09:03:35 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (leaving) 09:05:44 <Stablean> <Anson> speaking of nuts, purr, and ideas ... are you there, V ? 09:06:36 *** ODM has quit IRC 09:08:55 <Stablean> <Anson> there is a "dutch road furniture" set which adds borders and other objects to roads ... would it be possible to use a similar method for changing the appearence of rails ? ... eg putting a color block besides a rail, and the rail adjusts to that block 09:10:11 <Stablean> <Anson> when tiles are aware of their neighbor's state, a whole rail could be colored depending on a single tile, and we wouldn't need lots of different rail types ... 09:27:18 <Stablean> <r1kkie> MK has some trubbles at one of his bridges 09:30:03 <Stablean> *** RTM joined the game 09:39:12 *** Anson has quit IRC 09:39:29 <Stablean> *** RTM has left the game (general timeout) 09:39:29 <Stablean> *** RTM has left the game (connection lost) 09:39:34 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 09:39:41 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined spectators 09:41:57 <Stablean> *** RTM joined the game 09:47:47 <Stablean> *** Otto Fisher joined the game 09:59:20 <V453000> all I can say Anson is why dont you go draw/code it :) 10:01:41 <V453000> not to mention that I think it would not work very well 10:02:06 <V453000> or, it would be hell of painful to set up (and likely to code/draw, too) 10:04:57 <Stablean> *** UnMorrer joined the game 10:07:01 <Stablean> *** {[FR]Syl59} joined the game 10:07:12 <Stablean> *** RTM has left the game (leaving) 10:07:12 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> o| 10:07:51 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 10:10:16 <Stablean> *** [FR]Syl59 has left the game (leaving) 10:10:35 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:10:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 10:16:55 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has started a new company (#15) 10:27:02 <Stablean> *** Jons joined the game 10:34:39 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined spectators 10:34:43 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #15 10:40:02 <Stablean> <r1kkie> booM! 10:40:08 <Stablean> <Cameron> damn trains 10:40:18 <Stablean> <Cameron> they drink too much 10:40:22 <Stablean> <r1kkie> :) 10:50:00 <Stablean> *** Jons has left the game (leaving) 10:50:00 <Stablean> *** UnMorrer has left the game (leaving) 10:58:32 <Stablean> *** Otto Fisher has joined company #12 11:00:48 <Stablean> *** Otto Fisher has joined company #8 11:32:54 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali joined the game 11:32:58 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi 11:33:05 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi 11:36:36 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali has left the game (leaving) 11:39:00 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 11:39:50 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Otto there? 11:39:56 <Stablean> <Otto Fisher> yes 11:40:02 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Can you move ur HQ? 11:40:08 <Stablean> <Otto Fisher> ok 11:40:36 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thx 12:01:33 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 12:26:37 <Stablean> *** Otto Fisher has left the game (leaving) 12:41:10 <Stablean> <r1kkie> any1 here? 12:45:32 <Sylf> ? 12:50:53 <Sylf> r1kkie, did you need something? 12:51:06 <Stablean> <r1kkie> No need anymore. Thanks anyway! 13:15:34 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 13:27:55 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has joined spectators 13:28:05 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has joined company #2 13:32:57 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (general timeout) 13:32:57 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (connection lost) 13:50:08 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 13:59:47 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 joined the game 14:00:02 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has joined company #14 14:09:33 <XeryusTC> !ip 14:09:33 <Stablean> XeryusTC: stable.openttdcoop.org:3999 14:12:58 <Stablean> *** {[FR]Syl59} joined the game 14:13:03 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello Syl! 14:13:10 <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hi 14:15:45 <Stablean> *** [FR]Syl59 has left the game (leaving) 14:28:44 <Stablean> *** Muel joined the game 14:28:48 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello Muel! 14:31:23 <Stablean> <Muel> hi 14:43:05 <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (leaving) 14:59:54 <XeryusTC> !genkey XeryusTC 15:13:50 <Stablean> *** ROM5419 has left the game (leaving) 15:16:13 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts joined the game 15:16:45 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts has left the game (processing map took too long) 15:16:45 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts has left the game (connection lost) 15:17:41 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts has left the game (processing map took too long) 15:17:41 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts has left the game (connection lost) 15:19:10 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts joined the game 15:19:39 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts has left the game (processing map took too long) 15:19:39 <Stablean> *** robertkruijts has left the game (connection lost) 15:20:41 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has left the game (general timeout) 15:20:41 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has left the game (connection lost) 15:32:06 <Stablean> <V453000> ooh thats why Anson asked if I was on, I left my client open :D 15:32:08 <Stablean> <V453000> helo 15:35:22 <Stablean> *** Otto Fisher joined the game 15:52:36 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined spectators 15:52:57 <Stablean> *** [RO] RTM has left the game (leaving) 16:00:40 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 16:01:17 <Stablean> <V453000> heyooo 16:01:20 <Stablean> <Mks> hey 16:01:26 <Stablean> <V453000> your bridges jamz :P 16:01:40 <Stablean> <Mks> crap 16:02:30 <Stablean> <V453000> the block signals have nothing to do there 16:04:06 <Stablean> <Mks> damn how do I get the middle bridge to be a joined one trains can take either direction? 16:06:40 <Stablean> <Mks> can you use odd combinations? 16:06:54 <Stablean> <Mks> like Wetrail wagons with rail locos? on purr rail I mean 16:07:52 <Stablean> <V453000> purr is just an universal rail, that does not mean it can override wagon attach logic :P 16:08:14 <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#4) 16:08:16 <Stablean> <Mks> damn would be a nice combo :P 16:08:26 <Stablean> <V453000> wouldnt make sense 16:08:38 <Stablean> <Mks> V 16:08:53 <Stablean> <Mks> why is the nr 6 super strong slower then number 5 16:09:02 <Stablean> <Mks> or 4 I mean 16:09:08 <Stablean> <V453000> because it has CL1 16:09:10 <Stablean> <V453000> while the other one has 1.5 16:09:38 <Stablean> <Mks> hows the superstrong after that are those cl1? 16:09:41 <Stablean> <Mks> or cl 1.5? 16:09:47 <Stablean> <V453000> 1.5 16:10:02 <Stablean> <V453000> you cant have more speed on CL1 than the current one 16:10:08 <Stablean> <V453000> thats its point 16:10:18 <Stablean> <V453000> 105 is max there 16:10:18 <Stablean> <Mks> well isn't the wetrail faster 16:10:20 <Stablean> <Mks> and cl 5? 16:10:27 <Stablean> <Mks> cl 1 16:10:29 <Stablean> <Mks> I mean 16:10:53 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL has started a new company (#12) 16:10:53 <Stablean> <V453000> wetrail isnt faster, maglev CL1 is 177 without tilt, around 211 with it 16:10:56 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL joined the game 16:10:57 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL has left the game (received invalid or unexpected packet) 16:10:57 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL has left the game (connection lost) 16:11:03 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 16:11:05 <Stablean> <V453000> wetrail uses rail CL calculation, thus 88kmh without tilt 16:11:08 <Stablean> <V453000> 105 with 16:11:14 <Stablean> <Mks> but you said the maglev version is weaker? 16:11:16 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL has started a new company (#13) 16:11:18 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL joined the game 16:11:20 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL has left the game (received invalid or unexpected packet) 16:11:20 <Stablean> *** ElleMenTalL has left the game (connection lost) 16:11:30 <Stablean> <V453000> there is no maglev version 16:11:36 <Stablean> <V453000> simply said 16:11:42 <Stablean> <V453000> slugs arent really a replacement for superstrong 16:11:48 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh 16:12:08 <Stablean> <V453000> animal express (new train) might be available in about 20 years from now, which is a precedessor of slug 16:12:10 <Stablean> <Mks> so if I do tl 12 slug trains they won't be able to drag the train at full speed? 16:12:12 <Stablean> <V453000> with CL1 16:12:22 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh 16:12:24 <Stablean> <V453000> they might be able to, but with terrible acceleration 16:12:30 <Stablean> <V453000> you will have to try that 16:12:33 <Stablean> <V453000> dont know 16:12:40 <Stablean> <Mks> isn't maglev faster aceel then trains? 16:12:48 <Stablean> <V453000> not exactly 16:12:57 <Stablean> <V453000> it calculates differently, but that does not mean it has to be faster :) 16:13:16 <Stablean> *** Otto Fisher has left the game (leaving) 16:13:56 <Stablean> <V453000> still I am of the opinion that wiht a trivial network with only one drop, keeping CL12 is not that hard even with the mountains here 16:14:03 <Stablean> <V453000> thus I believe fast monorail fits best for your needs :) 16:14:17 <Stablean> <V453000> I believe the first one should already be available 16:14:41 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh monorail is cl 1.5? 16:14:51 <Stablean> <V453000> I said CL12 not 1.5 16:14:51 <Stablean> <Mks> how is acceleration on monorail tho? 16:14:57 <Stablean> <V453000> try it :( 16:14:59 <Stablean> <V453000> :) 16:15:01 <Stablean> <Mks> mm 16:15:07 <Stablean> <V453000> read what the info about monorail fast trains says 16:15:14 <Stablean> <V453000> and you will understand why I suggest it for your network :P 16:15:40 <Stablean> <V453000> ps perhaps you dont absolutely have to keep CL12 absolutely everywhere, only important spots 16:15:58 <Stablean> <V453000> generally low CL does not hurt everywhere, and as you do not have "important spots" in your network, the CL1.5 is not really helping 16:16:41 <Stablean> <Mks> the superstrong has no slowdowns on uphills and is fast accel tho 16:17:19 <Stablean> <V453000> I already said what I think :) 16:17:42 <Stablean> <Mks> I know I guess I could do a purr rail and try one out 16:17:44 <Stablean> <Mks> but 16:17:50 <Stablean> <Mks> purr is expensive 16:18:05 <Stablean> <V453000> how do you not ignore money with the income you oget 16:18:11 <Stablean> <V453000> that I dont get :) 16:18:30 <Stablean> <Mks> :) 16:18:40 <Stablean> <V453000> btw converting by dragging over the whole map is easy too :P 16:18:54 <Stablean> <V453000> either by dragging from one viewport to another or just by scrolling with keyboard 16:18:54 <Stablean> <V453000> :P 16:19:12 <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh 16:19:26 <Stablean> <Mks> I usually zoom out a bit and take it piece by piece 16:27:10 <Stablean> <V453000> soo what now? :P 16:27:20 <Stablean> <Mks> what do you mean? 16:27:34 <Stablean> <V453000> still cant see monorail engines :> 16:27:49 <Stablean> <Mks> working on it 16:28:53 <Stablean> <Mks> strong one I guess? 16:29:59 <Stablean> <Mks> lol why does the train lose max speed with added locos 16:30:01 <Stablean> <V453000> in which train set did you find monorail strong :D 16:30:33 <Stablean> <V453000> use fast. 16:31:03 <Stablean> <V453000> 1 engine might work, 2 is safe 16:31:13 <Stablean> <Mks> isn't fast to weak tho? 16:31:19 <Stablean> <V453000> read the fucking menu 16:31:21 <Stablean> <V453000> ... 16:31:59 <Stablean> <Mks> I did doesn't mean I understand it 16:32:22 <Stablean> <V453000> what dont you undertand :d 16:32:24 <Stablean> <Mks> what the heck 16:32:30 <Stablean> <Mks> I can't use the hopper to the loco 16:32:38 <Stablean> <V453000> ofc it is chameleon hopper, the menu says that 16:33:08 <Stablean> <Mks> whats special about that hopper? 16:33:14 <Stablean> <V453000> wtf? 16:33:16 <Stablean> <V453000> it is chameleon hopper? 16:33:18 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 16:33:20 <Stablean> <V453000> this is monorail? 16:33:22 <Stablean> <Mks> it was 16:33:28 <Stablean> <Mks> isn't chami hopper monorail? 16:33:38 <Stablean> <V453000> it drives on monorail, yes, but has special wagons 16:33:48 <Stablean> <Mks> loading speed 2(2x) is that fast loading then? 16:33:56 <Stablean> <V453000> no, very slow 16:34:18 <Stablean> <V453000> 2x means for 2 parts of the wagon 16:34:24 <Stablean> <V453000> so technically 4 cargo per tick 16:34:27 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 16:34:33 <Stablean> <V453000> which with 28 capacity is 7 stages, not good 16:34:36 <Stablean> <Mks> so loading speed 8 means 8 cargo per tick? 16:34:42 <Stablean> <V453000> only worse are intercity trains, and wetrail things 16:34:44 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 16:34:58 <Stablean> <V453000> as mentioned on nuts.openttdcoop.org/wiki :) 16:35:14 <Stablean> <V453000> btw if you put engine on end of train, it automatically reverses 16:35:16 <Stablean> <V453000> looks nice 16:35:34 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh well cargo trains should have locos in front :P 16:35:37 <Stablean> <V453000> also your train doesnt load coal :) 16:35:44 <Stablean> <V453000> should why 16:35:50 <Stablean> <V453000> it looks uglier 16:35:54 <Stablean> <Mks> always forget to refitt 16:36:32 <Stablean> <Mks> why do you suggest fast locos btw those are super weak? 16:36:42 <Stablean> <V453000> are they? 16:37:01 <Stablean> <Mks> but I read 16:37:04 <Stablean> <Mks> tesla 16:37:10 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 16:37:12 <Stablean> <Mks> 3549hp and 93kn 16:37:15 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 16:37:31 <Stablean> <V453000> now read the thing below 16:37:33 <Stablean> <V453000> in RED :D 16:37:39 <Stablean> <V453000> (easy to miss) 16:37:41 <Stablean> <Mks> but with two locos 35994 hk and 1143 Kn 16:37:44 <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't make sence 16:37:50 <Stablean> <V453000> seriously 16:37:53 <Stablean> <Mks> yes but 16:38:01 <Stablean> <Mks> does the wagons count as train unit? 16:38:04 <Stablean> <V453000> yes 16:38:06 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 16:38:10 <Stablean> <Mks> then I see 16:38:16 <Stablean> <V453000> train = whole thing 16:38:22 <Stablean> <V453000> engine = power unit 16:38:28 <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh 16:38:32 <Stablean> <V453000> except powered wagons, but only monorail intercity has that in nuts 16:38:34 <Stablean> <Mks> thats some special thing 16:38:58 <Stablean> <Mks> it sas up to 571kn but mine has 1143? 16:39:04 <Stablean> <Mks> is that since I have dual locos? 16:39:07 <Stablean> <V453000> sure 16:39:23 <Stablean> <V453000> I guess now you understand why fast monorail is good for TL12 :) 16:39:29 <Stablean> <Mks> yes 16:39:35 <Stablean> <Mks> so with 3 locos even stronger huh 16:39:41 <Stablean> <V453000> see it with 2 first 16:39:56 <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think you will declare 3rd as necessary 16:39:59 <Stablean> <Mks> but biggest concern would be it really needs cl 12 16:40:13 <Stablean> <V453000> it does, but really only for the high traffic tracks 16:40:20 <Stablean> <V453000> well the earlier ones dont need it 16:40:30 <Stablean> <V453000> and the 3rd one has CL7 or 6 I think 16:40:33 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 16:40:43 <Stablean> <V453000> only the fastest one needs CL12 16:40:46 <Stablean> <V453000> but gains that much more speed in return 16:41:28 <Stablean> <Mks> accel is slower then superstrong 16:41:34 <Stablean> <V453000> well of course, a bit 16:41:48 <Stablean> <Mks> with 4 locos it accelerate faster? 16:42:10 <Stablean> <V453000> well it cant accelerate worse :) 16:42:20 <Stablean> <V453000> only question is if the improvement is worth it 16:42:22 <Stablean> <Mks> but will it accelerate twice as fast? 16:42:29 <Stablean> <V453000> define twice as fast 16:42:32 <Stablean> <V453000> in what regard twice 16:42:46 <Stablean> <V453000> it will accelerate with double power and TE. 16:42:52 <Stablean> <Mks> well if it takes 3s to full speed now with 2 extra locos 1.5sec? 16:43:02 <Stablean> <V453000> regarding acceleration time, trail, or speed, it isnt so linear 16:43:09 <Stablean> <V453000> idk, try 16:43:25 <Stablean> <V453000> but acceleration totally isnt only about the total time 16:44:13 <Stablean> <Mks> I do have some bad curves on my line tho 16:44:31 <Stablean> <V453000> hint: terminus stations do not need curves 16:44:49 <Stablean> <Mks> well I know but the line still has the bad curves 16:44:53 <Stablean> <V453000> primary stations probably can suffice with bad curves 16:45:00 <Stablean> <V453000> sure, thos ecan be fixed rather easily too 16:45:22 <Stablean> <Mks> it doesn't slow down in all non cl 12 curves 16:45:48 <Stablean> <V453000> I said the early models dont need full 12 :) 16:45:58 <Stablean> <V453000> cl will probably be around 5 atm 16:46:07 <V453000> @@clcalc monorail 281 16:46:09 <V453000> @clcalc monorail 281 16:46:09 <Webster> V453000: Required CL for monorail at 281km/h is 4 (7 half tiles) or TL 16:46:21 <Stablean> <V453000> or even 4. 16:46:39 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh so the later locos have higher cl? 16:46:49 <Stablean> <V453000> of course, because of higher speed 16:47:04 <Stablean> <V453000> it will probably be something like CL4 5 6 16:47:06 <Stablean> <V453000> and the last one CL12 16:47:20 <Stablean> <Mks> mm it has twcie the hp and twice the traction now 16:47:22 <Stablean> <V453000> but the last one gains a lot of speed 16:47:28 <Stablean> <Mks> not sure if it accel twice as fast tho 16:47:35 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 16:47:53 <Stablean> <V453000> that is why I sort of said it might not be worth it to add that many more engines 16:48:00 <Stablean> <V453000> also, more modern models might accelerate even better 16:48:18 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 16:48:20 <Stablean> <V453000> I think 3 engines is reasonable, 2 is ok 16:48:27 <Stablean> <Mks> problarby yes 16:48:46 <Stablean> <V453000> I personally would use 2 or 4 because I prefer putting engines on both ends 16:48:56 <Stablean> <V453000> (especially with terminus stations that is a ton nicer) 16:49:14 <Stablean> <Mks> true I don't have any terminus on this map tho 16:49:34 <Stablean> <V453000> it is stupid to build CL12 roro 16:49:40 <Stablean> <V453000> instead of no CL terminus 16:49:43 <Stablean> <Mks> well 16:49:49 <Stablean> <Mks> on a diffrent map perhaps 16:49:59 <Stablean> <V453000> on exactly this map :) 16:50:14 <Stablean> <Mks> gona go for 3 locos 16:50:32 <Stablean> <V453000> if this map is already quite hard, saving space for less curves is key 16:50:42 <Stablean> <V453000> thus which other map should be more suitable for terminus with this high CL :P 16:50:54 <Stablean> <Mks> flat one 16:51:00 <Stablean> <V453000> why 16:51:10 <Stablean> <V453000> you wouldnt care about the huge assness of roro on a flat map 16:51:20 <Stablean> <V453000> nor about the curve it causes 16:51:22 <Stablean> <Mks> well takes more space to build an terminus or well mine takes more space at least 16:51:32 <Stablean> <V453000> hardly 16:51:50 <Stablean> <V453000> please show me a smaller roro with CL12 than terminus :) 16:51:57 <Stablean> <V453000> even if you make CL12 circle without any stations it will be huge already 16:52:12 <Stablean> <Mks> I know but I wasn't planning for cl 12 16:52:15 <Stablean> <Mks> more like cl 1.5 16:52:26 <Stablean> <V453000> originally, not now 16:53:06 <Stablean> <V453000> update brain to newest situation :P 16:53:16 <Stablean> <Mks> can't :P 16:53:24 <Stablean> <V453000> oh 16:53:30 <Stablean> <V453000> :D 16:53:44 <Stablean> <Mks> well I am not that good at building terminus stations 16:54:03 <Stablean> <Mks> except things that take alot of space in front of em 16:54:05 <Stablean> <V453000> you cant be "good at building terminus stations" 16:54:08 <Stablean> <V453000> it is so easy that you cant 16:54:26 <Stablean> <V453000> well, wont change anything without trying :P 16:55:05 <Stablean> <Mks> mm is 2 tracks enough tho 16:55:15 <Stablean> <V453000> for now yes 16:55:17 <Stablean> <V453000> can always expand later? 16:59:21 <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators 16:59:39 <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined company #4 16:59:43 <Stablean> <V453000> you should see !stuf btw 16:59:48 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:00:09 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh thnx 17:00:23 <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators 17:05:00 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM joined the game 17:05:48 <Stablean> *** {[RO]} RTM has joined company #15 17:07:57 <Stablean> *** Mkc has started a new company (#4) 17:07:59 <Stablean> *** Mkc joined the game 17:13:37 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 17:14:54 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi all 17:15:00 <Stablean> <Mks> hi 17:15:26 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi happy 17:15:28 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi all 17:15:50 <Stablean> <Mks> wtf the mine is gone 17:18:22 <Stablean> *** Mkc has left the game (leaving) 17:21:26 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #7 17:22:35 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 17:29:39 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #7 17:30:40 <Stablean> *** XeryusTC has started a new company (#4) 17:30:42 <Stablean> *** XeryusTC joined the game 17:30:51 <Stablean> *** XeryusTC has left the game (leaving) 17:32:10 <Stablean> *** Jam35 joined the game 17:33:19 <Stablean> <Jam35> lol oh dear 17:33:29 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 17:33:49 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi jam 17:33:51 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi 17:35:41 <Stablean> *** King Peky joined the game 17:39:30 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 17:40:47 <Stablean> <Player> Yo MK! 17:40:55 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to r1kkie 17:41:21 <Stablean> <Mks> hi r1kkie 17:41:56 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 17:42:01 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Jävlar va trä jag hade nu då- 17:42:11 <Stablean> <Mks> :) 17:42:21 <Stablean> <Mks> jag levererar bara kol jag 17:42:31 <Stablean> *** King Peky has left the game (leaving) 17:43:00 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Jag har typ max antal täg för linjen, det blir stopp om jag kör fler. :/ 17:43:55 <Stablean> <Mks> går la alltid ha fler 17:44:05 <Stablean> <Mks> sett stationer med 700 tåg på en station 17:44:20 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Inte stationen som är problemet. :/ 17:44:52 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Har en korsning där det blir stoppp i. Typ för trångt å bygga dubbla spår. :/ 17:45:42 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh 17:45:52 <Stablean> <Mks> längre tåg då 17:46:19 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Möjligt om jag får plats med längre station. :( 17:46:22 <Stablean> <r1kkie> :) 17:46:44 <Stablean> <Mks> monorail tåg rymmer mer annars med 17:46:54 <Stablean> <Mks> maglev är snabbare men har lägre kapacitet 17:47:12 <Stablean> <r1kkie> aha okok. Pallar nog inte å ändra en gång till. :) 17:47:32 <Stablean> <Mks> kör du purr rail 17:47:42 <Stablean> <Mks> kan du köra både monorail och maglev tåg på samma rail 17:47:52 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okej visste jag inte 17:47:54 <Stablean> <Mks> konvertera till purr sen bytt automatiskt till monorail 17:48:25 <Stablean> <Mks> använd fast loco passar bäst till längre tåg 17:49:44 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Får se om jag orkar. :) Nu ska jag ivåg å bada lite. 17:49:50 <Stablean> <Mks> ok 17:50:00 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ha de fint! 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(Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 19:41:29 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 19:41:31 <Stablean> <Mks> jo det kan man 19:42:21 <Stablean> <Mks> måste autoreplaca både vagnar och lok för o byta från maglev till monorail 19:43:52 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hmm så jag gjorde, sen bärjade de poppa upp rutor att det inte går. :( 19:44:06 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Skitsamma. 19:44:12 <Stablean> <Mks> måste byta lok och vagn samtidigt 19:44:22 <Stablean> <Mks> alltså du måste byta till monorail vagn 19:44:25 <Stablean> *** marcoc joined the game 19:44:27 <Stablean> <Mks> och monorail lok 19:44:29 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Mm 19:45:36 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#4) 19:45:40 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 19:45:48 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> wb jam 19:46:03 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #7 19:49:01 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#4) 19:49:22 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Gjorde väll nått galet då. :P 19:50:00 <Stablean> <Mks> gjort manuellt byte nu? 19:50:23 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aaa. Till längre också. De funkar väll inte å göra automatiskt va? 19:50:30 <Stablean> <Mks> näe 19:50:37 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi happy 19:50:51 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi 19:50:54 <Stablean> <Mks> går om man har olika längd på vagnarna men inte med n uts 19:51:04 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> nice network 19:51:18 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thanks 19:51:20 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> and the trains ar kool 19:53:08 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Fan va du ligger högt på inkom nu MK. :) 19:55:50 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep 19:56:46 <Stablean> *** And has left the game (leaving) 19:59:14 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> jam have u got a minte 19:59:28 <Stablean> <Jam35> yess 20:00:06 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> see my sign say overflo 20:00:12 <Stablean> <Jam35> whaddayawant? 20:00:14 <Stablean> <Jam35> ok 20:00:48 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> really nice 20:01:07 <Stablean> <Jam35> what about it? 20:01:08 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i am trying to doo a overflo but i not shor if i have not dun it rite 20:01:22 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #7 20:02:15 <Stablean> <Jam35> hm nearly 20:03:33 <Stablean> *** marcoc has left the game (leaving) 20:04:24 *** Mkss has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:04:26 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (general timeout) 20:04:26 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (connection lost) 20:05:40 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 20:05:58 <Stablean> <Jam35> not bad 20:06:25 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok so that shord werk 20:06:51 <Stablean> <Jam35> I just added prio for trains in the loop over depoted 20:07:14 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok 20:07:20 <Stablean> <Jam35> oh the reverser is too short 20:07:22 <Stablean> <Jam35> TL4 20:07:56 <Stablean> <Jam35> ooh no need 20:08:07 <Stablean> <Jam35> do it angled :P 20:08:30 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ar i see 20:08:37 <Stablean> <Jam35> your money lol 20:08:47 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined company #6 20:09:08 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #7 20:09:12 <Stablean> <Jam35> one other thing 20:09:28 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 20:10:00 <Stablean> <Jam35> and some block signals are missing 20:10:19 <Stablean> <Jam35> after your sign 20:10:45 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #7 20:11:23 *** Mks has quit IRC 20:11:42 <Stablean> <Jam35> well ...try it out 20:11:45 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 20:12:01 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok thanks 20:12:15 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #7 20:13:11 <Stablean> <Jam35> I would like to get rid of that gap 20:13:25 <Stablean> <Jam35> It will just be a bit slow 20:13:39 <Stablean> <Jam35> but will work 20:13:50 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> go of it 20:15:10 <Stablean> <Jam35> so add some trains :) 20:16:00 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 20:16:44 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 20:20:09 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Tack för att du föreslog längre tåg MK! :) 20:21:31 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has left the game (connection lost) 20:21:40 *** ODM has quit IRC 20:21:40 *** Sylf has quit IRC 20:21:40 *** Speedy has quit IRC 20:21:40 *** tycoondemon has quit IRC 20:21:40 *** scshunt has quit IRC 20:21:40 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 20:22:45 *** Dom_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:22:45 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:22:45 *** tycoondemon has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:22:45 *** Speedy has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:22:45 *** Sylf has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:22:45 *** scshunt has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:22:45 *** synthon.oftc.net sets mode: +oov ODM Sylf Sylf 20:22:48 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 20:22:53 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#12) 20:23:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ODM 20:23:30 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 20:24:57 <Stablean> <Jam35> remove that signal by the word gap 20:25:12 <Stablean> <Jam35> (to happy) 20:25:58 <Stablean> <Jam35> now trains will wait 20:26:36 <Stablean> <Jam35> by gap I mean that you want to get trains out of the reverser as soon as possible 20:26:51 <Stablean> <Jam35> that 'gap' makes it longer hence slower 20:27:42 <Stablean> <Jam35> you could put a normal block signal there 20:29:18 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #7 20:30:03 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 20:35:31 <Stablean> <Jam35> V453000: would it be possible to have a 'company colour' PURR ? 20:35:34 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Small tarins MK 20:37:02 *** gnemonix has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:38:00 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 20:38:05 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #4 20:38:53 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #12 20:39:33 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #4 20:39:59 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok my nexs job is to up grade all my ml to 2 way sume how 20:42:10 <V453000> no, rails cannot have company colour ... otherwise I would have already done that., Though it is not absolutely out of the question that it might be available in t he futuer 20:42:42 <Stablean> <V453000> btw r1kkie, ask !admin only when _necessary_ 20:42:53 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Sorry 20:43:19 <Stablean> <V453000> nothing happened, just dont do it anymore for no reason :P 20:43:41 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 20:43:45 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well at the time I had a reason but worked around it. :D 20:43:48 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:43:53 <Stablean> <V453000> what reason 20:44:10 <Stablean> <V453000> if there is a reason, it generally means you cannot work around it on your own :P 20:44:33 <Stablean> <V453000> also, Mks how are them trains? :P 20:44:51 <Stablean> <r1kkie> The yellows track was kind of in the way, and they are not used. 20:45:05 <Mkss> they work fine B as you said much better option then superstrong 20:45:29 <Mkss> have a few bad curves left but only minor slow downs so it doesn't matter 20:45:39 <Stablean> <Jam35> B for bastard :) 20:47:37 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #7 20:47:42 <BiG_MeEcH> B453000 ? 20:48:03 <BiG_MeEcH> yo Happy Transport 20:48:09 <Stablean> *** And joined the game 20:48:13 *** Mkss is now known as Mks 20:50:16 <Stablean> <V453000> omfg not meech 20:50:55 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> gn all 20:50:58 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 20:51:03 <Stablean> <r1kkie> GN! 20:51:13 <Stablean> <Jam35> by 20:51:59 <Stablean> <Jam35> me toe 20:52:05 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 20:52:09 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 20:53:10 <Jam35> hm happy's spelling is catching 20:53:48 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 20:54:10 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #12 20:55:18 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #4 20:55:31 *** Dom_ has quit IRC 21:02:00 <Stablean> *** And has left the game (leaving) 21:03:25 <Stablean> <r1kkie> wops. cheep to demolish in the water. :D 21:07:30 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 21:07:34 <Stablean> <Cameron> wb 21:08:28 <Stablean> <Diablo> ty 21:08:30 <Stablean> <Diablo> hello 21:08:48 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello 21:09:50 <Stablean> *** Diablo has joined company #7 21:11:17 <Stablean> *** your name joined the game 21:12:09 <Stablean> *** your name has left the game (general timeout) 21:12:09 <Stablean> *** your name has left the game (connection lost) 21:18:20 <Stablean> <Mks> water is super expensive to demolish 21:18:26 <Stablean> <Cameron> :) 21:18:50 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Heh yes, accidently demolished water insteed of ship depot 21:24:00 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 21:29:32 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nice income MKs! 21:31:42 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 21:32:57 <Stablean> *** Maraxus joined the game 21:45:22 <TWerkhoven> !ãpconnect 21:45:38 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #4 21:53:42 <Stablean> <V453000> r1kkie: if you dont have long trains, monorail fast class isnt worth it ;) 21:54:06 <Stablean> <r1kkie> What is better? :S 21:54:08 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 21:54:24 <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #4 21:56:21 <Stablean> *** Maraxus has left the game (leaving) 21:56:29 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 21:57:17 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 22:00:50 <Stablean> *** r1kkie has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.) 22:01:30 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Admin: can you move yellows track near my big wood station. Look at sign, its noot beeing used 22:08:36 <Stablean> <V453000> for not-super-long trains: everything is better than monorail fast :) 22:08:59 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okok, what counts as superlong? :D 22:09:05 <Stablean> <V453000> 8+ 22:09:09 <Stablean> <V453000> tles 22:09:11 <Stablean> <V453000> tiles 22:09:29 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ty 22:09:43 <Stablean> <V453000> just approximate value 22:10:29 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#11) 22:10:33 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 22:10:49 <Stablean> <V453000> what is for sure is that your feeders could use an autoreplace 22:10:59 <Stablean> <V453000> probably something like rail medium or even strong would be quite useful 22:11:03 <Stablean> <V453000> perhaps chameleons too 22:12:26 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 22:30:01 *** Anson has quit IRC 22:30:06 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 22:30:21 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 22:33:28 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:35:53 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Me? 22:36:07 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> yeah 22:36:29 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thanks man, was borred so wanted to do something. :) 22:36:59 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> :) 22:37:02 <Stablean> <r1kkie> You know a good way to change orders on all trains? :D 22:37:28 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> only cloning 22:37:42 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> edit one and cloneit 22:37:42 <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, good evening, or maybe night, or maybe even morning for some of you 22:37:54 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Good night Anson 22:38:00 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> night for me 22:38:14 <Stablean> <r1kkie> RTM: Alright. think Im to low for cash right now. 22:38:16 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> 1:42AM 22:38:24 <Stablean> <r1kkie> 0:42AM here 22:38:35 <Stablean> <Anson> if you set trains up properly from the start, it is easy tio change orders ... use shared orders 22:38:49 <Stablean> <Anson> 0.42 for me too 22:39:00 <Stablean> <r1kkie> What is shared orders? Never heard of it. :) 22:39:06 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> nice Amson and r1kkie 22:39:29 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Or more important, how do you make em? :) 22:39:31 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> insted on station you 22:39:41 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> on train you set earlyer 22:39:51 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> that works 22:40:17 <Stablean> <Anson> when you clone trains, you can use CTRL ... then you don't only have a copy of the train and orders, but they share orders 22:40:35 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> cloning and share 22:40:53 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aha, that will come in handy in the future. Thanks mates! 22:40:53 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> the same click on trains 22:40:59 <Stablean> <Anson> and for shared orders, there is only ONE list of orders which is used by all those trains : when you change it on one train, all such trains will use the changed order list 22:41:25 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> and if you remove the firs train 22:41:49 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> the oders have no orders 22:42:00 <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to copy orders of one train to another, select "goto" and click on that other train ... and again: ctrl-clik on the other train to share orders 22:42:43 <Stablean> <r1kkie> RTM Really? Seems kind of bad 22:42:47 <Stablean> <Anson> the game uses one copy of the orders for all trains ... it will only be gone when the last shared train is gone 22:43:49 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Will get something to eat before I get started. 22:44:08 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> ok 22:44:22 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thanks for all the advises 22:44:32 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> :) 22:44:44 <Stablean> <Anson> there is one more hint for shared orders : 22:44:50 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> glad to be at service 22:45:00 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> me and Anson 22:45:42 <Stablean> <Anson> in the window which shows all trains, you can create groups ... and then use commands like "send to depot" for the whole group ... 22:45:54 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#11) 22:45:56 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 22:46:13 <Stablean> <Anson> and one of those commands is also to "add shared trains" which will move all trains with shared orders to the same group 22:47:11 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 22:47:16 <Stablean> <Anson> really useful after you have changed orders of one train so that it belongs to a different group, or when you didn't set up groups or shared orders properly at the beginning 22:47:44 <Stablean> <Anson> and finally, one of the commands for groups is to autoreplace trains :-) 22:48:42 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #9 22:57:47 <Stablean> <Anson> rikkie, when you are back from eating, look at any of my planes ... they got special orders so that they can share tem even when some have a high range (those slow zeppelins and the fast big ones) and use an intermediate stop when they are normal planes with a shorter range 23:04:14 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Back 23:04:38 <Stablean> <Anson> did you see the orders of my planes ? 23:04:52 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Going to check now 23:05:02 <Stablean> <Cameron> update your planes anson :) 23:05:28 <Stablean> <Anson> i had a zeppeling with range 640 and two smaller planes with range 350 23:05:42 <Stablean> <Anson> thus thesmaller planes needed another airport in between 23:05:44 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Cool 23:05:51 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Never seen that before 23:05:57 <Stablean> <Anson> but with the conditionals, i still could use shared orders 23:06:35 <Stablean> <Anson> and the other conditional for maintenance is done to send them there if i select an autorefit order 23:07:31 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hmm dont even know where to begin. :) 23:07:37 <Stablean> <Anson> trains with "goto depot" (or was thatonly for "maintain at depot" ?) never go to depots themselves (when maintenance is off, like it is always on this server) 23:08:23 <Stablean> <Anson> but they still do maintenance when they need to autoreplace, and then my check kicks in and sends them to a specific depot at a specific place in the order list, instead of using a random depot 23:09:17 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Little to advanced for me at the time. :) 23:09:27 <Stablean> <Anson> open the overview window for showing all my planes 23:09:43 <Stablean> <Anson> you should see that i put all planes in a group 23:10:17 <Stablean> <Anson> for three, it is a bit overkill maybe :-) ... but it should be a habit to group everything 23:10:41 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes I agree, after the chaos I have created now. LOL 23:10:46 <Stablean> <Anson> at the bottom right you can select "manage list" (click and hold) for more options 23:11:36 <Stablean> <Anson> most interesting with the shared orders is that you easily can add all vehicles with the same shared orders to a group 23:12:24 <Stablean> <Anson> if you start sharing orders only now, it is useful too: you easily can see which vehicles already have shared orders and which don't (you find them in "ungrouped vehicles) 23:12:35 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes Im with you on that. What I meant was a litte to advanced was all your speciall orders on your plane. :) 23:13:06 <Stablean> <Anson> just look at orders 1 and 6 on the planes ... that are the normal main commands 23:13:16 <Stablean> <r1kkie> :) 23:13:38 <Stablean> <Anson> then 5 and 10 are the intermediate airports for long distance 23:14:12 <Stablean> <Anson> and finally, the conditionals just check the speed and skip that additioanl airport 23:15:02 <Stablean> <Anson> and the other conditionals (2 and 7) just do the opposite: they skip the other conditionals and thus always go to the intermediate depot 23:16:20 <Stablean> <Anson> if you do such orders for the first time, it might be handy to draw a flow chart, with boxes for all the goto orders, and arrows for the conditionals 23:17:04 <Stablean> <Anson> when you are used to flow charts, you can easily imagine the flowchart in your head when you see an order list :-) 23:20:03 <Stablean> <Anson> i will autoreplace planes now ... pick any (or all) of my planes and open their order list ... then watch which orders are executed ... 23:20:23 <Stablean> <Anson> ready ? 23:20:49 <Stablean> <Cameron> yup 23:21:31 <Stablean> <Anson> i just gave the autoreplace order, but planes will first do what they were told to do 23:21:45 <Stablean> <Anson> plane 2 now should go to the depot 23:21:55 <Stablean> <Anson> now 3 23:22:13 <Stablean> <Anson> and now also 1 23:22:28 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> when they land their go to hanger 23:22:43 <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl-click on the destination in the plane's windows ... that will take you there on the map 23:23:09 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> thats the follow 23:24:16 <Stablean> <Anson> no ... follow a vehicle by ctrl-clicking on the yellow 4 arrows .... what i meant was ctrl-clicking on the destiation/speed display, where you single click to stop them 23:24:34 <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl-click there moves the viewport to the destination 23:28:29 <Stablean> <Anson> just for demonstration, i will now replace plane 2 by an airbus A320 ,,, slower than 850 23:28:56 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hold on man, Im kind of bussy. :) 23:29:26 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> commnad ar found on wiki openttdd 23:29:32 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> all 23:29:36 <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> of them 23:33:55 <Stablean> <Anson> you can watch the planes anytime now ... two have large range and speed and will take the direct route ... and plane 3 is small, slow and has lesser range, thus will do the intermediate stop 23:35:30 <Stablean> <Anson> too bad that the autoreplace is too intelligent :-( ... it sees that there are conditionals and doesn't autoreplace in case the conditionals woudn't be met ... but after i manually changed the plane, it works 23:47:38 <Stablean> <Anson> rikkie, you have a single depot leftover at !depot 23:47:56 <Stablean> <r1kkie> What? :S 23:49:47 <Stablean> <Anson> 50 years ago, you built a depot at my sign !depot, without network connection 23:50:05 <Stablean> <Anson> probably to test something, or see which trains are available 23:50:28 <Stablean> <r1kkie> How do I find it? :) 23:50:50 <Stablean> <Anson> i said "at my sign !depot" 23:51:00 <Stablean> <Anson> open the list of signs and click it 23:51:11 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Where is the sign list? :S 23:51:21 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Sry new to this stuff. :) 23:51:27 <Stablean> <Anson> at the top: map icon, hold and then see 23:51:43 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Slice 23:51:57 <Stablean> <Slice> I like these grf's :P 23:51:59 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ah there we go 23:52:25 <Stablean> <Slice> what type of trains are these? 23:52:47 <Stablean> <Anson> people mostly use signs with a leasing "!" to indicate problems, or something that has to be fixed 23:53:01 <Stablean> <r1kkie> I see 23:53:27 <Stablean> *** Slice has started a new company (#11) 23:53:39 <Stablean> <Anson> eg !gap when there are signals missing, or !cl when a curve is too tight 23:54:01 <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ok will try to remember that 23:54:20 <Stablean> *** Slice has left the game (leaving) 23:54:52 <Stablean> <r1kkie> So now when I have made trains with shared orders, could I group them easy?