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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 30th July 2013:
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00:03:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  there?
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00:04:26  <Sylf> yes you can - ctrl-drag a train to a group
00:04:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Stablean: Thanks!
00:30:38  <Stablean> <Anson> sorry,was busy ...  built something :-) ... rikkie, you asked for grouping trains !?
00:30:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I got it coverd
00:31:40  <Stablean> <Anson> when you have at least one train in a group, you can click on manage list and add all other vehicles which share orders
00:31:58  <Stablean> <Anson> the method with ctrl-click was new to me :-)
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00:32:22  <Stablean> <Anson> it is the never ending story of CTRL to get more functions :-)
00:32:32  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha true!
00:33:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Crap, used the wrong signal....
00:34:28  <Stablean> <Anson> where do i buy maglev wagons ???
00:35:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Mine says (Maglev) after the name
00:35:41  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, crazy sort order :-(
00:35:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yep
00:36:21  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Should be abel to chose both cargo types and railtype. :)
00:36:40  <Stablean> <Anson> i had them sorted by some other method, not what i am used to :-(
00:36:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aha ok
00:37:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Check sign "!What is this for" :)
00:37:43  <Stablean> <Anson> rikkie, how many different groups of trains do i need for my new small network at "what is this for" :-)
00:38:02  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 4?
00:38:08  <Stablean> <Anson> that fork is a trick to fool the pathfinder
00:38:34  <Stablean> <Anson> trains arrive, and when the station is full, they use that reverser track
00:38:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> ok
00:39:10  <Stablean> <Anson> but when the pathfinder sees a single dead end, it doesn't use it ... thus i added some more dead ends and the pf thinks it has a choice later :-)
00:39:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aight
00:40:07  <Stablean> <Anson> i will give orders for train 5 now ... and then clone it maybe 10 times ... good enough for the whole network :-)
00:40:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I will check it out
00:41:04  <Stablean> <Anson> i hope i left enough space where you are rebuilding now !?
00:42:39  <Stablean> <Anson> basic orders for train 5 done
00:46:27  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson where u from?
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00:55:27  <Stablean> <r1kkie> So much cargo!
01:00:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aight
01:01:24  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Congratz to the European gold medal in women soccer!
01:02:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Should have lost agains Sweden in the semi final.
01:09:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
01:10:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha
01:12:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okey
01:14:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> So the trains goes to the depots to change cargo types?
01:14:37  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... this is the principle of refitting networks ...
01:15:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Looks cool
01:15:31  <Stablean> <Anson> you have one train that gets primaries, then delivers at secondaries, refits to next cargo, tries to load, and then delivers to third, then refits to first again and starts all over
01:16:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> You could always make a nother iron mine. :)
01:16:33  <Stablean> <Anson> if the network is straight back and forth (and not a lopp or something), you can improve it a bit, by checking whether trains are full, and then either emptying the train and start over immediately, or waiting for a full load
01:17:06  <Stablean> <Anson> primaries are set to prospecting ... it could appear anywhere on the map
01:17:28  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aha ok
01:17:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well time for bed now.
01:17:52  <Stablean> <Anson> but guess how i got the steelmill and the factory so close to the mine, to build the whole network so quickly :-)
01:18:12  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha
01:18:18  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want, you can save the game and study orders :-)
01:18:33  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Already have it saved. :D
01:18:47  <Stablean> <Anson> there are some people who like to refit too ... and i think one point to create nuts was that V likes to refit too :-)
01:19:49  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Have a good night, maby I catch you tomorrow!
01:21:16  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: blue=iron, yellow=steel, green=goods, white=empty
01:21:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> okok
01:22:28  <Stablean> <Anson> I'll leave too now ... CU
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01:22:34  <Stablean> <Cameron> cu
01:22:42  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Cya cameron!
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02:29:13  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate authorities :-(
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03:43:40  <Stablean> <Player> ..
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03:44:07  <Stablean> <UP_Officer> there we go :P
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03:47:10  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Slicey
03:47:22  <Stablean> <Slicey> hey anyone when this server will reset??
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03:52:49  <Stablean> <Anson> resets ? never :-) ... but we will get a new map sometime ... when someone makes a new map, and an op is there to start it, and people are fed up with the current map
03:53:07  <Stablean> <Slicey> ok cause i want to join but yea
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03:55:08  <Stablean> <Anson> games here may well end in the 21xx or 22xx range ... mostly when enouh people ask for it
03:55:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> oh...
03:57:56  <Stablean> <Anson> there are still 2 sots free for more companies ...
03:58:06  <Stablean> <Anson> * slots
03:58:23  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea but its kinda hard when the whole map is basically taken
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03:59:37  <Stablean> <Anson> what about doing something around Fruningville ?
04:00:07  <Stablean> <Slicey> hm
04:00:21  <Stablean> <Anson> 1 coal + 1 powerplant,  1 iron + 1 steelmill + 2 dactories
04:00:53  <Stablean> *** Slicey has started a new company (#12)
04:01:45  <Stablean> <Anson> and lots of towns for pax (which i don't like; i prefer cargo)
04:01:51  <Stablean> <Slicey> samw
04:01:57  <Stablean> <Slicey> same*
04:02:23  <Stablean> <Anson> but dod
04:02:29  <Stablean> <Anson> but dodn
04:02:43  <Stablean> <Slicey> ?
04:02:45  <Stablean> <Anson> what up with my fingers ?
04:02:51  <Stablean> <Slicey> lol
04:03:10  <Stablean> <Anson> but don't trust the parameters we have no for the next game :-)
04:03:40  <Stablean> <Slicey> ah lol what cargo u plan on transporting next map?
04:03:59  <Stablean> <Anson> most maps here have no ships and planes at all (cost a few mil per year), and also no inflation
04:05:01  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe anything ... sometimes maps are with firs or another grf, some are temperate, but many are tropic, arctic or even toy
04:05:16  <Stablean> <Slicey> hate toy -.-
04:05:54  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't like it either, but neither hate it ... mostly, the sound is annoying :-)
04:06:12  <Stablean> <Slicey> yes
04:07:23  <Stablean> <Slicey> cant believe i actually made a route lol
04:08:01  <Stablean> <Anson> i just added a few more forests and iron mines
04:08:35  <Stablean> <Slicey> ur host :P
04:08:35  <Stablean> <Slicey> ?
04:09:01  <Stablean> <Anson> no, funded industries ... prospecting primaries, or setting up secondaries directly
04:09:19  <Stablean> <Slicey> ahh
04:09:39  <Stablean> <V453000> moo
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04:09:48  <Stablean> <Anson> at Fruningville, there is a new iron mine, and a total of 3 forests around
04:09:58  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, V
04:12:21  <Stablean> <Anson> you have "a real gap" there ...
04:12:27  <Stablean> <Slicey> i know :P
04:13:46  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: in contrast to 99% of the maps on this server, planes are "cheap" on this map ... although you can have only 3 :-)
04:14:37  <Stablean> <Slicey> :o
04:14:48  <Stablean> <Slicey> ty :D
04:15:22  <Stablean> <Anson> pay back loan when you can ... that eats up most income for new companies :-)
04:15:44  <Stablean> <Slicey> hmm why isnt my train loading
04:16:00  <Stablean> <V453000> coal refit instead of ore
04:16:14  <Stablean> <Anson> you have a coal train at an iron ore mine
04:16:21  <Stablean> <Slicey> i know but oh ..
04:16:33  <Stablean> <Slicey> i had my train right outside of the depot
04:16:44  <Stablean> <Slicey> so it didnt give me the option to refit
04:18:26  <Stablean> <Anson> a mistake that many people (including me) often make ... select wagons when the menu is filtered, but then not reftting it yourself after buying, and expecting the filtered cargo and not the default cargo of the wagons
04:18:33  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea
04:18:48  <Stablean> <Slicey> ive played openttd for a long time just forgot :P
04:19:10  <Stablean> <V453000> you should still look around for proper use of signals though
04:19:13  <Stablean> <V453000> *hint*
04:20:35  <Stablean> <Anson> and don't get the habot of terraforming too much on this server ... usually, it is quite expensive, without inflation, it often is 30k+ for land and 1 mil for water
04:20:58  <Stablean> <Slicey> ah
04:21:36  <Stablean> <Anson> i think it was always cheaper some year ag
04:22:11  <Stablean> <Anson> but with strangers joining and flattening the ocean, it isn't bad as it is now :-)
04:23:35  <Stablean> <Anson> have a look at the trains and rails .... nuts and purr are used very often .... any idea why, V ? :-)
04:23:53  <Stablean> <Slicey> there rly good
04:24:15  <Stablean> <Anson> if you don'Ät want to say it yourself: because they are good, fun to look at, with some extra goodies, etc
04:24:30  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea but rly expensive
04:24:36  <Stablean> <Slicey> which is the cheapest
04:25:00  <Stablean> <Anson> the colored purr rails all are the same as universal rails, and thus costly
04:25:39  <Stablean> <V453000> the train set is unmatched in playability, I am not afraid to say that :)
04:26:03  <Stablean> <V453000> I personally even declare it to be the best, but that opinion can differ with other people :)
04:26:06  <Stablean> <Anson> wetrails are not too costly, and really huge wagons
04:26:58  <Stablean> <Slicey> hate getting high roduction :(
04:27:04  <Stablean> <Slicey> production*
04:28:38  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate low as well as high production ... with only 18-40, mines often die on me, or it takes forever at first, but when it gets above 1000, all my stations need complicated upgrades to transport everything
04:29:04  <Stablean> <Anson> now i often let them drop to 50% productivity when they go above 800
04:29:18  <Stablean> <Slicey> haha my strongest is high quality
04:29:28  <Stablean> <Slicey> like mass transportaion
04:33:04  <Stablean> <Anson> do you like refitting games ?
04:33:18  <Stablean> <Anson> nuts is the ideal set for refitting a lot
04:33:40  <Stablean> <Slicey> if i have the money and a good network yea
04:33:55  <Stablean> <Anson> buy one train and use it for iron/steel/goods in turn :-)
04:34:57  <Stablean> <Anson> why money ? ... i get my money mostly after i built a network and then let the trains refit to double or triple my income with the same resources
04:35:09  <Stablean> <V453000> you might want to look at our website; openttdcoop.org , if you look for mass transportation
04:35:11  <Stablean> <Anson> AND with almost the same number of trains :-)
04:35:14  <Stablean> <Slicey> cause its expesove
04:35:24  <Stablean> <Slicey> expensive*
04:35:34  <Stablean> <Anson> what is expensive with refitting ?
04:35:57  <Stablean> <Slicey> nvm -.-
04:36:12  <Stablean> <Anson> it costs some brain tzo give the orders and optimize them :-) but it costs almost no money
04:36:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> wow
04:36:44  <Stablean> <Anson> and with nuts, refitting is even completely free
04:36:58  <Stablean> <Slicey> local authority -.-
04:37:06  <Stablean> <V453000> its like brutal ugly when red numbers pop out of the depots for refitting
04:38:21  <Stablean> <Anson> i built two refitting networks in this game, just to show someone what can be done with conditional orders and special orders
04:38:40  <Stablean> <Anson> east and west of Chundtown
04:39:18  <Stablean> <Slicey> steel train ftw :P
04:39:33  <Stablean> <Anson> i think that rikkie might change his wood and goods trains for a refitting version, to cut the number of trains in half
04:39:55  <Stablean> <Anson> if this map rund long enough until tomorrow morning :-)
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04:40:04  <Stablean> <Slicey> no
04:40:10  <Stablean> <Slicey> i want a new map :)
04:42:21  <Stablean> <Slicey> how long do u think till new map?
04:44:55  <Stablean> <Anson> 50-100 years ?
04:45:29  <Stablean> <Anson> or until people are annoyed by inflation and leave immediately after joining :-)
04:46:04  <Stablean> <Anson> but look at nuts ... there are still new trains coming now
04:46:15  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea yea i know
04:46:29  <Stablean> <Slicey> :P
04:47:19  <Stablean> <Anson> why do you always use path signals ?
04:48:01  <Stablean> <Slicey> no need for them with such a small network
04:49:43  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea forgot a cross track
04:49:45  <Stablean> <Anson> that'Äs why i asked why you were using them all the time
04:50:29  <Stablean> <Anson> are you from australia ?
04:50:39  <Stablean> <Slicey> no?
04:50:58  <Stablean> <Anson> UK ?
04:51:12  <Stablean> <Slicey> US
04:51:19  <Stablean> <Anson> most people drive on the right side, but australians and a few others go left
04:52:37  <Stablean> <Slicey> its messy but it works
04:52:59  <Stablean> <Anson> i think that most people here are from europe, but some us, canadians and australians too ... thus you can meet someone at most times, although very few at times like now (7 am in europe)
04:53:13  <Stablean> <Slicey> 10pm here :P
04:53:43  <Stablean> <Slicey> dont worry ill play for atleast 4hrs more :))
04:55:57  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the engines ... most have the same running costs ... corpus dei is one level better than switch and still a diesel
04:56:43  <Stablean> <Slicey> i know not worried bout that right now
04:57:03  <Stablean> <Slicey> i am worried about the lack of iron
04:58:49  <Stablean> <Anson> while there is enough space, people should build apart from each other, but when resources are rare, you can build everywhere if you leave enough space for people to double their lines and don't steal resources
04:59:28  <Stablean> <Anson> saying that because i just found more iron and wood at the opposite side of the map :-)
04:59:46  <Stablean> <Slicey> well u know what screw u lol
05:02:29  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: towns never build roads themselves, on this server, to avoid unwanted growth
05:02:36  <Stablean> <Slicey> sweet
05:02:42  <Stablean> <Slicey> i like this server :P
05:03:56  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, the slug is there :-)
05:04:00  <Stablean> <Slicey> ?
05:04:22  <Stablean> <Anson> there are two sluggish trains .... animal express and the slug
05:04:32  <Stablean> <Anson> they drive on maglev tracks
05:04:35  <Stablean> <Slicey> oh
05:05:13  <Stablean> <Anson> you can look at my trains to see wetrails and the animal express in action :-)
05:05:47  <Stablean> <Anson> animal express uses maglev tracks and thus is not cheap, but it has lots of power and most of all, it needs no CL
05:06:41  <Stablean> <Slicey> have u seen my network its actually a net work :)
05:06:43  <Stablean> <Anson> that's why i could build that crazy station entrance to Chundtown steel drop :-)
05:07:51  <Sylf> maglev is not cheap? since when?
05:07:56  <Stablean> <Anson> i already saw that you build mostly vertically and horizontally ... but also that you ignore the slowdown of tight curves
05:08:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea i do right now if i feel that there is a lot of supply i will remake the networj
05:08:37  <Stablean> <Anson> just compare : normal rail costs around 5k now, and maglev/purr costs 100k
05:08:41  <Stablean> <Anson> per tile
05:09:13  <Sylf> if you compare that way
05:10:03  <Stablean> <Anson> sylf, build a track of 200 tiles with a new company, and you will see the difference :-)
05:10:30  <Sylf> You should really let other playes play on their own unless they ask for help
05:12:00  <Stablean> <Slicey> :/ havent gotten a production boost
05:16:47  <V453000> I think Anson should leave people more alone in general, just saying
05:16:58  <V453000> being talkative is nice, until annoying
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05:35:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo
05:35:40  <Stablean> <Slicey> anyone know how long about it takes to get a good production rate at 65-75%
05:35:46  <Stablean> <Slicey> hiya :P
05:35:56  <Stablean> <Cameron> long trains :P
05:36:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> waiting trains
05:36:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> statue in town
05:36:50  <Stablean> <Anson> statues give 10%, but you never can get rid of them later
05:36:56  <Stablean> <Cameron> in Locomotion I can easily get 100% production transported with  1 long train
05:37:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> this game isnt locomotion :D
05:37:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> most you will ever get is roughly 85%
05:37:56  <Stablean> <Cameron> I know, but in ttd  many waiting trains might not be enough,
05:38:03  <Stablean> <Anson> http://wiki.openttd.org/Station_rating#Station_rating
05:39:20  <Stablean> <Slicey> wish i joined when the game started :(
05:39:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> never too late to start though
05:39:32  <Stablean> <Cameron> so do we liquidfi cows to get them into tankers?
05:39:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> liquid cows are most tasty
05:40:46  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe someone thought that cow=milk ?
05:41:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe its an inside joke with V
05:41:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> or maybe he didnt want to make cow pixels
05:42:15  <Stablean> <Anson> is slice your company too, slicey ?
05:42:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> accidentially
05:42:36  <Stablean> <Slicey> yes
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05:43:26  <Stablean> <Slicey> got to love when an iron ore mine produces 100 tons -.-
05:43:37  <Stablean> <Anson> empty companies without vehicles are automatically removed on this server, but that company still has a depot with three egines, and thus still exists until bankrupt (in a few hundred years, because of inflation)
05:43:55  <Stablean> <Slicey> ill just join it delete it
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05:44:31  <Stablean> <Slicey> there
05:45:25  <Stablean> <Anson> and gone :-)
05:45:39  <Stablean> <Slicey> omg
05:45:45  <Stablean> <Slicey> 117 tons!
05:45:48  <Stablean> <Slicey> lol
05:45:50  <Stablean> <Cameron> it's quick
05:45:56  <Stablean> <Slicey> not 4 me
05:46:27  <Stablean> <Anson> in most maps, you can buy a ship for free, with a billion running costs, if you want to delete your company
05:46:29  <Stablean> <Cameron> give it 10 years, it'll hit 2,295 tonnes a month
05:46:43  <Stablean> <Slicey> alright :P
05:47:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> slicey we have much to teach you here :D
05:47:31  <Stablean> <Slicey> ...
05:47:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> no!
05:47:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes! :D
05:47:42  <Stablean> <Slicey> didnt have much room
05:47:44  <Stablean> <Slicey> :(
05:47:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, not complaining about that :D
05:48:00  <Stablean> <Slicey> ?
05:48:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> signals! :D
05:48:12  <Stablean> <Slicey> ......
05:48:26  <Stablean> <Slicey> next game :D
05:48:28  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
05:48:30  <Stablean> <Cameron> just a little
05:48:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> heck yeah
05:48:46  <Stablean> <Slicey> next game we work on it :)
05:48:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> mmhmm
05:48:59  <Stablean> <Cameron> look at Pufingwell, that's what he means
05:50:09  <Sylf> !date
05:50:09  <Stablean> Sylf: 18 May 2073
05:50:46  <Stablean> <Anson> Pufingwell is almost a pure mail town, right ?
05:50:56  <Stablean> <Cameron> that's what I was afaid of...
05:51:02  <Stablean> <Cameron> yes
05:51:04  <Stablean> <Cameron> 100%
05:51:15  <Stablean> <Cameron> few buses tho
05:51:25  <Stablean> <Cameron> so like 90%
05:51:56  <Stablean> <Anson> no, only 76.87464224384659 % :-)
05:52:02  <Stablean> <Cameron> lol
05:52:40  <Stablean> <Anson> (numbers taken from the town window)
05:52:58  <Stablean> <Cameron> >.<
05:53:04  <Stablean> <Anson> but a nice growth ... every 6 days
05:53:30  <Stablean> <Cameron> not funded either
05:54:24  <Stablean> <Anson> and 4.5k mail stuck in the airport ...
05:54:38  <Stablean> <Cameron> damn transfers :P
05:54:45  <Stablean> <Cameron> and 3 planes
05:55:43  <Stablean> <Cameron> next game will be pax only
05:55:50  <Stablean> <Slicey> huh?
05:56:28  <Stablean> <Cameron> passengers, mail,and valuables <-- maybe
05:56:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> no!
05:56:40  <Stablean> <Slicey> well then im not playing lol
05:56:43  <Stablean> <Anson> did you do that next map ?
05:57:09  <Stablean> <Anson> and how do you enforce "no cargo" ?
05:57:19  <Stablean> <Cameron> planning to, like I did here
05:58:01  <Stablean> <Slicey> cargo is amazing
05:58:27  <Stablean> <Cameron> 99% of the time it is
06:00:06  <Stablean> <Slicey> ?
06:00:12  <Stablean> <Slicey> wow didnt send
06:00:26  <Stablean> <Slicey> next map with cargo?
06:01:59  <V453000> he is just saying what he plans to do next game
06:02:14  <V453000> dont worry, town-only maps only happen when the map creator feels particularly evul
06:02:41  <Stablean> <Slicey> k good i want to start fresh on a new map but not with passengers etc
06:03:39  <Stablean> <Anson> guidelines of this server also say that people should transport most pax when they grow towns ... thus not many people are up to the task of handling that
06:03:57  <V453000> Also hello Bastardose_Meech ... last night it was totally raining here and today morning there are slugs Everywhere on the walkways :>>>
06:04:15  <V453000> Anson 50% is not a challenge what so ever
06:04:26  <Stablean> <Slicey> i just like cargo
06:04:28  <Stablean> <Anson> did they escape your computer ?
06:04:38  <V453000> they might have as there was really a lot of them
06:04:41  <Stablean> <Anson> my slugs are all still nuts
06:05:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hello V34907777777777777777777
06:06:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> why aren't you outside collecting slugs then?
06:06:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you could have you whole army of minions
06:06:49  <Stablean> <Anson> he already has slugs and animals ... thuinking about some third engines ....
06:06:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he needs more slugs
06:09:05  <Stablean> <Slicey> ok guys need some help
06:09:07  <Stablean> <Slicey> rdy?
06:09:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sure ?
06:10:08  <Stablean> <Slicey> i have a sawmill and factory i want to expand problem limited resources and 2.2m
06:11:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> your sawmill is in a bad spot but i would build in the empty spot near fruningville valley
06:12:29  <Stablean> <Slicey> ... idk hm
06:13:31  <Stablean> <Anson> station spread is 12 ... thus you can build a bit distant from them
06:14:33  <Stablean> <Slicey> man :9
06:14:35  <Stablean> <Slicey> :(
06:18:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Tired guys, ill ttyl!
06:18:20  <Stablean> <Anson> or use the "sawmill with space"
06:18:48  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea but i need more wood also
06:19:18  <Stablean> <Slicey> closet one is in fort braningway
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06:19:34  <Stablean> <Anson> there are two unused forests near Buntbourne
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06:20:12  <Stablean> <Slicey> to bad only have 3m but ill work on it
06:20:34  <Stablean> <Slicey> ah i got it use those 2 ship it 2 the other sawmill
06:20:57  <Stablean> <Anson> and then more forests southwest from that, at Plaham, Runningville, Rinburg Springs
06:22:07  <Stablean> <Anson> and while you think about what to do, pay back loan ... that costs you 350k per year ...
06:22:41  <Stablean> <Slicey> :o
06:22:47  <Stablean> <Slicey> ;0
06:22:54  <Stablean> <Slicey> <3 no homo
06:24:45  <Stablean> <Anson> which grfs would you like in another map ? besides nuts and purr of course :-)
06:24:59  <Stablean> <Slicey> just keep same
06:25:17  <Stablean> <Slicey> but how long cause its already 11:30 and have to wake up early
06:26:11  <Stablean> <Anson> only 8.30 for me ... AM
06:26:27  <Stablean> <Slicey> well im in the us (california)
06:28:54  <Stablean> <Slicey> omg hate this island so much
06:29:37  <Stablean> <Slicey> ....
06:30:12  <Stablean> <Slicey>  i think ill wait till next map
06:30:18  <Stablean> <Slicey> ill brb
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06:31:06  <Stablean> <slicey> im back :D
06:31:36  <Stablean> <Anson> you can set a default username at the top right cornet of the multiplayer window
06:34:15  <Stablean> <slicey> wow my iron mine is at 144 tons -.-
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07:00:10  <Stablean> <slicey> hey anson
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07:04:30  <Mks> @clcalc monorail 417
07:04:30  <Webster> Mks: Required CL for monorail at 417km/h is 7 (13 half tiles) or TL
07:06:35  <V453000> whats that, mono fast 3?
07:06:49  <Stablean> <Mks> mono fast 4
07:07:15  <V453000> hm well the bot might be wrong
07:07:19  <V453000> for edge values
07:07:23  <Stablean> <Mks> yes it is
07:07:24  <V453000> @clcalc rail 300
07:07:24  <Webster> V453000: Required CL for rail at 300km/h is 7 (13 half tiles) or TL
07:07:32  <Stablean> <Mks> cause it slowes down at cl 7
07:07:35  <V453000> as 7 is the max value possible
07:07:43  <Stablean> <Mks> stupid bot
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07:07:48  <V453000> it just returns that, not "slows down always"
07:08:07  <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nuts/wiki
07:08:18  <V453000> it is written down there for the final choice engines
07:08:28  <V453000> ... in the subcategories
07:08:32  <Stablean> <Mks> well its a bit odd sometimes it doesn't slow down in cl 7 curves
07:08:57  <V453000> if train is <7?
07:09:12  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
07:09:17  <V453000> obviously.
07:09:21  <Stablean> <Mks> its my tl 12 trains
07:09:23  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean
07:09:40  <V453000> would have to see that, Sbends arent CL7
07:09:52  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh might have been mistaken
07:10:26  <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Max_Curve_Speed I think that page mentions it
07:10:27  <Mks> so you mean even at cl 8 the train would slow down?
07:10:40  <V453000> even at cl11 it would probably
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07:11:11  <V453000> and by the same amount - but for a different time obviously
07:11:34  <V453000> thus longer curves still do help the throughput in total
07:11:49  <Mks> so I need cl 12 for no slow downs?
07:12:09  <Mks> aren't monorail suppose to have a bonus for curves?
07:13:05  <V453000> only vehicles which mention tilt do have it
07:13:12  <V453000> but in compare to rails, they do
07:13:17  <V453000> that is mentioned on the page too
07:13:19  <V453000> I think
07:13:27  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
07:13:34  <Stablean> <Mks> but it doesn't apply to higher speeds?
07:13:58  <V453000> what
07:14:28  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I mean the monorai 417 speed needs cl 12?
07:14:30  <V453000> +50% flat bonus for mono, +100% max speed for maglev
07:14:40  <Stablean> <Mks> shouldn't it be something like 8 for full speed?
07:14:42  <Stablean> <Mks> flat bonus I mean
07:14:49  <V453000> how can it be 8 if 7 maximal value
07:15:01  <Stablean> <Mks> why is max value 7?
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07:16:24  <V453000> because is ... what should i say :D
07:16:47  <V453000> see openttd wiki about that
07:17:28  <V453000> the actual correct calculation is done completely differently anyway, but lets not discuss that
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07:21:22  <Mks> the nuts wiki isn't up to date
07:21:45  <Mks> the reality geos 370km/h it sas but in game it goes 417
07:22:35  <V453000> mhm, well it is already above max cl :P
07:22:38  <V453000> but ye
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07:26:19  <V453000> updated that value on the wiki
07:26:51  <Mks> still wrong value :P
07:26:57  <Mks> you changed it to 415
07:27:00  <Mks> ingame its 417
07:28:04  <V453000> there is mentioned that it is code values
07:28:11  <V453000> ingame value can also be in mph or metric
07:28:15  <Stablean> <Mks> strange
07:28:21  <Stablean> <Mks> well its metric for me
07:28:32  <V453000> or SI I meant
07:29:03  <V453000> still, the game somehow converts it and there are wtf roundings like that so many speeds can be a bit higher
07:29:26  <V453000> but the CL calculation bot uses code values
07:29:36  <V453000> so it is more useful to use that
07:29:48  <Mks> ahhh
07:30:40  <V453000> ps, the code can have other units too I believe
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07:32:00  <Mks> mm this game had inflation turned on
07:32:10  <V453000> sure why not
07:32:14  <Mks> everything gets crazy expensive when it is
07:32:17  <Mks> not a problem really
07:32:21  <V453000> money is pointless :)
07:32:33  <Mks> but if you start a new company it can be hard with inflation turned on
07:33:07  <V453000> start earlier or most people get sponsorships :P solvd
07:33:19  <Mks> hehe
07:33:43  <Mks> it cost 6 billion to tf 1 water tile
07:33:48  <Mks> well in the currency I am using
07:35:55  <Stablean> <Anson> in $, clearing one water tile is 250k, and raising one dot/vertex of water is 1000k, because 4 tiles are modified for that
07:36:06  <V453000> see how pointless it is to even talk about cash
07:36:13  <V453000> everyone has their currency :)
07:36:18  <Mks> V who changes the converstion ratings for diffrent currencys ingame?
07:36:19  <V453000> + inflation helps that :)
07:36:23  <Stablean> <Anson> thus it gets cheaper when you terraform larger areas of water : the tiles are only modified once, not up to 4 times
07:36:32  <V453000> you do, you can define a custom currency
07:36:41  <V453000> or there are some defaults I Guess
07:36:42  <Mks> well I mean the fixed ones
07:37:18  <Stablean> <Anson> i just saw somewhere that the nightlies have different conversion rates than the stable
07:37:46  <Mks> the stable ones aren't up to date really
07:37:57  <Stablean> <Anson> and some currencies are autmatically changed during play ... introduction of the € :-)
07:39:39  <Stablean> <Cameron> 1 euro to me is 351
07:39:51  <V453000> pointless :)
07:39:53  <Mks> lol
07:40:14  <Stablean> <Cameron> so the loan now is 789.6 billion
07:41:08  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, 65351 ? would be more fun to have it at 65536 :-)
07:41:28  <Stablean> <Cameron> the highest is 65355
07:42:02  <Stablean> <Anson> because that would be 0x10000
07:42:04  <V453000> why the -4? :D
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07:50:41  <Stablean> <ROM5419> that was an epic birthday party
07:50:47  <Stablean> <Cameron> lol
07:52:31  <Mks> V btw wetrails isn't in the wiki of nuts?
07:56:20  <V453000> no real need to mention it either :) but yes isnt so far
07:56:45  <V453000> will most likely add it when there is more of them
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08:00:54  <V453000> but when that happens, nobody knows :P
08:01:39  <Mks> V whats opengfx+ industries?
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08:02:08  <Stablean> <ROM5419> original industries renamed only, thats it
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08:02:48  <Mks> ohh so no diffrent in new cargos or other things?
08:03:16  <Stablean> <ROM5419> well... you can select cargos from different climates, but thats it
08:04:22  <Mks> ahh
08:04:30  <Mks> so you can have water in temperate?
08:04:37  <Stablean> <ROM5419> yes
08:04:46  <V453000> yes, I use it rather often
08:04:49  <V453000> no toyland cargoes yet though :(
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08:12:52  <Stablean> <Cameron> well gn
08:13:02  <Stablean> <Cameron> or if that...
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08:23:47  <Stablean> <Ecoste> Holy hell this map is big
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08:27:00  <Stablean> <ecoste> .
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08:30:09  <V453000> .
08:31:10  <planetmaker> !revision
08:31:10  <Stablean> planetmaker: Game version is 1.3.2
08:31:13  <planetmaker> good
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08:44:43  <Stablean> <Player> Morning everyone!
08:44:53  <Stablean> <Shpiler> hi
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08:45:23  <V453000> hint, if you change the name through console, or when joining the game, it will write it in your config
08:45:36  <V453000> thus remember it
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08:53:11  <Stablean> <ROM5419> i'm going and not coming back. TQ
08:53:18  <Stablean> <ROM5419> until the next game
08:53:28  <Stablean> <ROM5419> EXAMS
08:53:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> GL mate!
08:53:48  <Stablean> <ROM5419> UT mate!
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09:59:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello Pim!
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10:21:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Check sigen "!Shorten Bridge Conductor"
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11:07:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
11:07:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
11:08:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I got to many tarins on mine. :(
11:08:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there is no 'too many'
11:08:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha. :D
11:08:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just too little tracks, I guess
11:08:39  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes and to tight to build more. So much stuff in the way
11:11:01  <Stablean> <Anson> you could refit trains, using the same trains to transport wood in one direction and goods in the other ... that would raoughly cut the number of trains by half (on that long route)
11:11:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> risky to do it well for newbs
11:11:33  <Stablean> <r1kkie> No kidding :)
11:12:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> But thats a good idea
11:12:50  <Stablean> <Anson> biggest problems on refitting is to give proper orders, but in this case it would be a simple refit without need for conditionals etc
11:13:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> biggest problem is leveling input and output
11:13:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Probably, dont know how to build the network. :)
11:13:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> proper ordering is a way to circumvent it
11:13:22  <Stablean> <Anson> thus the biggest problem that remains should be to build a station that handles the long trains
11:13:44  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes, takes ageas to move in and out of the depots
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11:16:58  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well im leaving for now. Might try and rebuild later. :)
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11:17:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
11:17:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Have fun!
11:17:18  <Stablean> <Anson> look at my waypoint "WP re-refit"near Dranpool
11:17:32  <Stablean> <Anson> that is one method how to speed up depots
11:17:59  <Stablean> <Anson> in such a double depot, one train enters one depot while another can leave the other
11:18:49  <Stablean> <r1kkie> catch you later boys!
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13:32:26  <Stablean> <Anson> @@(clcalc maglev 500)
13:32:27  <Webster> Stablean: Required CL for maglev at 500km/h is 7 (13 half tiles) or TL
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13:53:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  there?
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14:26:30  <Stablean> <jrambo> hi everyone
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14:26:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hi!
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14:27:06  <Stablean> <jrambo> my first time on openttdcoop
14:27:21  <Stablean> <jrambo> hopefully, one of many visits
14:27:23  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aight man Good luck! This map is a little tricky
14:27:38  <Stablean> <jrambo> just watching for now :)
14:27:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Expensive to lower or raise land
14:27:44  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
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14:27:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Don
14:27:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> dont watch me, I suck. :D
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14:36:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> FUCK!
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15:22:44  <Stablean> <V453000> moo
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15:28:05  <Stablean> <logan> hello
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15:50:39  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Halloj MK!
15:50:45  <Stablean> <Mks> hello
15:50:55  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
15:50:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Fan va du rockar. :D
15:51:15  <Stablean> <V453000> english :)
15:51:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
15:51:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Just talking shit about u. ;)
15:51:45  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont really care, english :)
15:51:55  <Stablean> <r1kkie> U got it!
15:52:26  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Is it possible to make that a station doesnt get any cargo
15:52:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> ?
15:52:37  <Stablean> <V453000> what do you mean by that
15:52:43  <Stablean> <Mks> what do you mean?
15:52:53  <Stablean> <Mks> send no trains there?
15:53:21  <Stablean> <r1kkie> My drop off station is recivin gods but I have no train that picks it up.
15:53:45  <Stablean> <Mks> you must have had it at one point
15:53:56  <Stablean> <V453000> one visit is enough forever
15:53:59  <Stablean> <Mks> should go away with time if noone picks it up
15:54:13  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I guess one train went there by misstake :(
15:54:19  <Stablean> <V453000> use non-stop orders
15:54:19  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Probably while I was rebuilding
15:54:21  <Stablean> <Mks> or delete the station and wait for the grey name to dissapear
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15:54:46  <Stablean> <V453000> with non-stop orders trains stop only in the correct stations even if they detour due to whatever reason
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15:55:02  <Stablean> <V453000> settings - vehicles - orders are nonstop by default
15:55:09  <Stablean> <Mks> my trains are always non stop
15:55:23  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ah didnt know it existed. :D
15:55:29  <Stablean> <V453000> I wasnt talking to you obviously Mks :)
15:55:35  <Stablean> <Mks> I know :P
15:55:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha
15:55:40  <Stablean> <V453000> k :)
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15:56:42  <Stablean> <r1kkie> V453000:  are u an admin?
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15:56:49  <Stablean> <V453000> no
15:56:53  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :(
15:57:13  <Stablean> <V453000> why should I be
15:57:43  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I donnu, just asking. :)
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15:58:53  <Stablean> <Cameron> tawn
15:59:04  <Stablean> <Cameron> yawn*
15:59:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Borred?
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15:59:26  <Stablean> <Cameron> woke up
15:59:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ah, then good morrning to u!
16:07:03  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Damn MKs your income is sick!
16:10:21  <Stablean> <V453000> get 1000 trains, then care about income :P
16:10:27  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha :)
16:10:33  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Never been there
16:10:39  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Not even close. Haha
16:11:01  <Stablean> <V453000> well 500 isnt hard to reach on this server given the length of games
16:11:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I dont think Im capable of making such a large network. :)
16:11:59  <Stablean> <V453000> if you say so
16:12:05  <Stablean> <V453000> only one way to find out :P
16:12:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
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16:30:51  <Stablean> <Player> hi
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16:55:40  <Stablean> <Jam35> ty it was np
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17:48:42  <Stablean> <V453000> heyooo [FR]Syl59
17:48:44  <Stablean> <V453000> n the rest
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17:48:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yo!
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19:01:29  <Stablean> <Cameron> anyone got a new map?
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20:34:20  <Stablean> <Logan> Hi
20:35:03  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
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22:05:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Good evning!
22:11:16  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, rikkie
22:11:48  <Stablean> <Anson> you have rebuilt your network to transport goods with a separate part to someplace else now ?
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