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00:00:07 <Brianetta> Nah... (: 00:00:19 <Brianetta> Anyway, what I said should stand anyway 00:00:29 <Brianetta> "Shouldn't be hard" 00:01:05 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:03:43 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 00:10:37 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-192-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:12:04 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:12:58 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2FBC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:12:58 *** dp is now known as dp-- 00:13:01 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 00:13:55 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 00:15:54 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't mean hard either, but if done right, it needs to cover lots of special cases 00:29:46 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:31:21 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F966.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:33:03 <XeryusTC> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/1128657830410_143.gif :D:D:D 00:39:45 *** tokai|noir 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Also, remove duplicate available railtype update. 09:59:38 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947D26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:01 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|meeting 10:00:27 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:01:45 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 10:02:16 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:02:50 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 10:03:25 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 10:05:06 *** zr40 [n=zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 10:05:08 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 10:07:32 *** zr40 [n=zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:07:54 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:07:56 *** tokai|noir [i=tokai@p54B84506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 10:08:16 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r3826 /branch/elrail/railtypes.h: [elrail] Use the convert rail icon, not the cursor, for the toolbar. 10:08:32 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:08:47 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:09:25 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 10:09:44 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:05 <Tron> peter1138: ? 10:11:25 <peter1138> hmm? 10:11:36 <Tron> pm? 10:11:40 <peter1138> oops 10:11:42 <peter1138> sorry :) 10:15:38 <CIA-5> tron * r3827 /trunk/ (command.c main_gui.c variables.h): Remove the global variable _error_message_2, it's only used as local variable 10:16:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:17:42 * peter1138 ponders this bug 10:17:47 <Tron> which bug? 10:17:54 <peter1138> crossing rail / signal bug 10:18:04 <Tron> the one with the reversed depot? 10:18:11 <peter1138> nope 10:18:27 <Tron> which one? 10:21:12 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/sigbug1.png 10:21:15 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/sigbug2.png 10:21:37 <Tron> hmhm 10:21:39 <Tron> maybe it was me 10:21:48 <Tron> or rather s/maybe/probably/ 10:22:04 <Tron> go back to a revision before i messed with (Diag)Direction 10:22:09 <peter1138> i don't think it's that 10:22:35 <peter1138> hmm 10:22:35 <Tron> you think it's older than that? 10:23:05 <MiHaMiX> hmm 10:23:07 <peter1138> i suppose i should test :) 10:23:15 <peter1138> anyone got 0.4.5 around? 10:23:45 <Tron> svn up -r ... && make 10:23:51 <MiHaMiX> there is a reasonable probability that openttd webservices will be gone during today. If this happens, they'll be restarted during monday 10:24:01 <Tron> or svn switch 10:24:19 <Tron> svn switch ../tags/0.4.5 10:24:32 <Tron> (assuming you are in trunk) 10:24:43 <Tron> uh, no, sorry 10:24:55 <Tron> svn switch svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.4.5 10:24:56 <BurtyB> what is it windows hosting MiHaMiX? 10:25:30 <Tron> MiHaMiX: which services? what would be the cause? 10:25:34 <peter1138> it's more that it takes my pc about 10 minutes to compile ;( 10:25:41 <Tron> oh... 10:25:50 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: power outage 10:26:04 <peter1138> well, i should compile 0.4.5 anyway 10:26:14 <peter1138> or, uh, download it 10:26:28 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: the local power supplier cut the power for some reason, and I don't know whether the diesel generator lasts until monday 10:27:00 <MiHaMiX> Tron: wiki, nightly, docs, translator (which is down for other reason, too) 10:27:05 <BurtyB> MiHaMiX awe, that sucks... i bet Eweka are happy atm 10:27:20 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r3828 /branch/elrail/newgrf.c: [elrail] Add support NewGRF support for electric rail vehicles 10:27:27 <Tron> peter1138: 10 minutes is much, it takes about 1 minute here (AthlonXP 2000+) 10:27:46 <peter1138> yeah, cygwin is slow 10:27:57 <peter1138> i need a new drive to put a better OS on 10:29:05 <peter1138> vs2005 is faster, but takes ages to set up 10:29:14 <peter1138> (the solution files) 10:29:51 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:32:36 *** amix [n=AmiXoami@90.80-203-44.nextgentel.com] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 10:34:42 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: why should they be happy? 10:38:37 <peter1138> Tron: and indeed, it happens in 0.4.5 10:38:43 <Tron> that is suboptimal 10:40:35 <Tron> uhoh... 10:40:51 <Tron> unmovable_cmd.c:43 and following lines 10:40:54 <BurtyB> MiHaMiX well i assumed the server was with Eweka, and its a saying 10:41:30 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80020.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:42:54 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 10:44:22 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: no, the server is located in hungary, in a university :) 10:44:43 <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: the local power supplier cut the power for some reason, and I don't know whether the diesel generator lasts until monday <-- it will be a poor generator if it fails to last a whole weekend 10:45:23 <BurtyB> MiHaMiX, ah i thought you was talking about www. not wiki. etc 10:45:40 <Bjarni> actually it should be able to work continuously for more than a weekend 10:46:28 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: the issue you mentioned is independent from the generator itself. it's depend on the ammount of diesel we have :D 10:46:34 <peter1138> assuming there's enough fuel.. 10:46:41 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: u r right :D 10:46:55 <BurtyB> MiHaMiX you mean what Bjarni said ? 10:47:05 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: the generator would be able to run on a long-term basis :) 10:47:14 <Bjarni> heh, you can refuel it while it's operating unless it's a plain stupid design 10:47:20 <MiHaMiX> BurtyB: yes, sorry, your names are so similar :) 10:47:30 <BurtyB> :) 10:47:57 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: it's a plain stupid design unfortunately, and the tank capacity is 2.000 liter or so, which lasts for 50 hours 10:48:04 <MiHaMiX> or 40? 10:48:09 <MiHaMiX> i don't know, honestly 10:49:06 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/sigbug.diff <-- bit of a hack, but works 10:49:29 <Bjarni> I read about a petrol generator, that lasted 13 hours on 15 litres petrol when delivering 2 kW 10:49:39 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:49:47 <peter1138> 2kW isn't really enough for a data centre :) 10:50:01 <Bjarni> so the key is to cut down on electricity where it's not used 10:50:25 <Bjarni> peter1138: yes, but they use diesel, not petrol and they have way more than 15 litres 10:51:00 <Bjarni> also when you increase the size, odds are that it can do more work for each litre used 10:51:02 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: this generator 'eats' 40 or 50 liters of diesel per hour 10:51:04 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80020.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:51:21 <Tron> peter1138: what happens if there are more tracks than just X and Y? 10:51:33 <Bjarni> we usually say it drinks the diesel, but ok 10:51:46 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: thanks :D 10:52:03 <peter1138> then the tracks touch and it works properly 10:52:10 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: in hungary, the engines used to 'eat', not drink :) 10:52:26 <Bjarni> you got solid diesel? 10:52:32 <Bjarni> or is it more like fuel oil? 10:52:50 <Bjarni> maybe it's freezing 10:52:52 <Bjarni> ;) 10:53:00 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: no, but the hungarian language uses the phrase 'eszik' for engines, which means 'eat' in english 10:53:27 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: there are jokes related this, too :) 10:54:04 <Bjarni> how much power do you get for your 50 litres/hour? 10:54:46 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: there are two news: a good and a bad. The good news is that the fuel (gas) prices lowered, while the bad news is that the price of the foods are raised. The sum of these news are BAD, since I eat much more on 100km than my car :) 10:55:07 <Bjarni> heh 10:55:29 <Bjarni> well, you could do worse than you do with your power generator 10:55:40 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: well, honestly, I don't know. we have a 40kVA and a 240kVA UPS, and this generator generates power to them 10:55:40 <Bjarni> http://www.jarnvag.net/bild/lokguide/MZ1449Helsingor1988.jpg <-- this one drinks 70 litres/hour when idle 10:55:57 <MiHaMiX> jesus :D 10:56:36 <Bjarni> the thing is, when it operates, it can pull pretty long freight trains 10:57:09 <Bjarni> but it's not used for passenger trains anymore... too extensive to drive compared to using smaller diesel engines 10:57:48 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: AFAIK our generator is a modified trailer truck engine 10:57:56 <Bjarni> generally railroads moved away from using 20 pistons in favour of just 16. Those extra 4 was way too expensive compared to power gained 10:58:58 <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: AFAIK our generator is a modified trailer truck engine <-- heh, when you build a power generator out of an old engine, you should actually use a marine diesel engine 10:59:24 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: well i didn't build that generator myself :D 10:59:31 <Bjarni> they are built to run with more or less continuous load for many hours and odds are that you can refuel them while they are operating 10:59:34 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: and AFAIK, this was a brand new stuff :) 11:00:45 <Bjarni> then they fucked up and picked the wrong engine :p 11:00:58 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: we also could be able to reload the tank while it's operating. but they've missed to build that pipe with which we could do it from outside 11:01:30 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: so we had to bring down the fuel in cans :D 11:01:52 <Bjarni> heh 11:01:58 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: well, actually, not 'we' ourselves, but the maintenance stuff 11:02:14 <Bjarni> 2000 litres / 20 litre in each can is 100 cans 11:02:21 <MiHaMiX> yes :DD 11:02:26 <Bjarni> each weights a little more than 20 kg 11:02:37 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:02:38 <BurtyB> nice little workout 11:02:54 <peter1138> we have no space for a generator :( 11:03:12 <Bjarni> we got a 38 MW power plant at uni 11:03:17 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B84506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:03:22 <MiHaMiX> i think that after a few reload they'll going to reconsider the situation and made that tube built :D 11:04:00 <Bjarni> but to save on the construction bill, they made it some kind of slave, which means it follows the frequency that the power net got. If the net dies, the powerplant dies 11:04:06 <Bjarni> not a bright design 11:04:10 <BurtyB> sounds like you need to delegate the job of refilling to management 11:04:54 <Bjarni> it's actually very complex to build a powerplant that delivers a steady supply of 50 Hz 11:05:06 <Bjarni> and that it's always 50 Hz, not 50,05 11:06:11 <peter1138> heh 11:06:41 <Bjarni> I think we should add a 50 Hz device on it anyway 11:07:03 <Bjarni> specially since we lost power for hours twice just in the time I have been there 11:07:44 <Bjarni> <BurtyB> nice little workout <-- ohh, that reminds me... you are right 11:07:53 <Bjarni> I had to move 20 litre cans once 11:08:04 <Bjarni> I quickly managed to put wheels on them though 11:08:12 <BurtyB> thats cheating ;) 11:08:13 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B820DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:08:53 <Bjarni> it was either putting wheels on it or take the car since the gas station was too far away for carrying the can 11:09:38 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: at us, the generator room opens from the parking lot, which is situated under the building :) 11:10:06 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: but unfortunately, the parking lot is only 180cm height, so a tanker is not able to go down :) 11:10:13 <Bjarni> lol 11:10:47 <Bjarni> it also sounds healthy to have it in a place with so little ventilation :p 11:11:21 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: the smoke is going out 11:11:49 <Bjarni> sure it got some sort of exhaust pipe, but they almost always leak, specially if it is some sort of homemade device 11:12:17 <Bjarni> it's not always visible that they leak, but they do 11:14:39 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80661.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:49 <MiHaMiX> bbl, guests come :) 11:17:04 <Bjarni> In the player face window, a woman has only one earring (the left one). In general, women wears pairs of earrings. <-- nice bug report 11:17:28 <Bjarni> specially since nobody noticed that before now :D 11:19:05 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80661.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:19:52 <Kjetil> Haha.. who submitted it ? 11:21:22 <Tron> Bjarni: especially since it was ALWAYS that way - since 1994 11:23:33 * Bjarni tries to get rid of the stupidity around him 11:23:45 <Bjarni> I just looked at the feature requests on SF 11:23:46 <Bjarni> bad idea 11:24:00 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80661.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:24:02 <Bjarni> they are all.. well... I will not code any of them 11:24:31 *** Zajin [i=zq@dslb-088-072-032-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:53 <Bjarni> Kjetil: bobingabout made that bug report 11:25:11 <Bjarni> he had the decency to mark it as low priority though 11:25:22 <BurtyB> maybe you should say its gay guy dressed as a woman 11:25:25 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80020.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:25:29 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80020.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:25:39 <Bjarni> oops 11:25:42 <Bjarni> misread 11:25:57 <Bjarni> it's someone named lc, that committed it 11:26:11 <Bjarni> (bobingabout committed the bug report just before this one) 11:28:57 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:29:26 <Tron> peter1138: ? 11:30:47 <Kjetil> Bjarni: say there is no women in the game.. only guys from the 80s 11:31:35 <Bjarni> good one 11:32:37 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:42 <Bjarni> well, right now I'm wondering what to do next 11:33:16 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B820DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:33:20 <Bjarni> I don't feel like coding the consist autoreplace thing right now and I don't want to do anymore with the cocoa video driver either 11:33:38 <Bjarni> have we already done all the fun tasks? 11:33:56 <Kjetil> make something fun.. ( a anti alexfifi feature ( he will always go bankrupt ) 11:34:45 *** Spacks [n=chatzill@CPE-138-130-237-185.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:34:53 <Bjarni> symtax error, found EOL, but expected ")" 11:35:41 <Spacks> anyone have any tips for making those huge junctions? 11:35:43 <Kjetil> haha 11:36:34 <Bjarni> seriously, what is it what we always miss, but nobody coded? 11:36:53 <Kjetil> 486 compitable ottd ? 11:37:09 <Bjarni> get a 486 GCC and you will have that 11:37:21 <Bjarni> besides I don't have a 486 to test it on, so it makes little sense 11:37:40 <Kjetil> that will acctually run on a 486 at resonable speed 11:41:22 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:41:45 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 11:42:51 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:44:41 <lc> Bjarni: I noticed that because it was women's day this week 11:45:48 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 11:51:42 <Bjarni> ln-: LOL 11:51:49 <Bjarni> err 11:51:51 <Bjarni> *lc 11:51:53 <Bjarni> :) 11:52:18 <Bjarni> lc: you mean you give women freedom by getting the computer to generate some women faces? 11:52:48 <Bjarni> freedom/equal rights/equal paychecks/whatever 11:53:07 <Bjarni> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/70 <-- Tron, didn't you make something like this once? 11:55:35 <Tron> "to prevent needless recompilations, we should store the flags used to compile so we only remake the dependancies files if we changed the source file or we changed the arguments to compile it (we might have changed a flag for linking only)" <-- this is way to complex. if you change a setting in Makefile.config some macros could get (un)defined and invalidate any number of object files/dependencies 11:56:23 <Bjarni> Tron: only if the arguments to GCC changes 11:56:50 <Bjarni> if I change from dynamic to static or vice versa, it's a linking thing only, so I only have to relink 11:58:24 <Tron> why would you do that? 11:58:33 <Tron> not really worth the effort 11:58:59 <Tron> only somewhat easy solution would be to split the config file into multiple files 11:59:06 <Bjarni> well, it got two scenarios where it's worth the effort 11:59:37 <Bjarni> one: switching between release and debug builds (Darkvater requested this) 12:00:04 <Bjarni> two: the universal binary thing. It's really is a pain to fix linking issues in it the way it works now 12:00:08 <Tron> that's hardly only changing the linker options 12:00:55 <Bjarni> no, but it should split the .o files into release/ and debug/ so you use one of them without deleting all the other ones when you switch 12:01:32 <Tron> that would be possible 12:01:45 <Tron> i can offer you the solution i wrote for Simutrans 12:01:51 <Tron> you have multiple configuration files 12:01:53 <Tron> config.default 12:01:56 <Tron> config.debug 12:02:00 <Tron> config.relesase 12:02:00 <Tron> ... 12:02:22 *** axadhus [n=mav@ganymed.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:02:26 <Tron> you then can say "make CONFIG=release" or something 12:02:54 <Tron> it then uses config.$CONFIG as configuration file (if you don't specify CONFIG, it's default by ... eh... default) 12:03:25 <Bjarni> that would not solve the universal binary issue 12:03:49 <Bjarni> since it will create two object files for each c file using the same config file 12:04:01 <Tron> and all generated files go into a subdir named $CONFIG 12:05:12 <Tron> how can you use the same configuration? at least the compiler binaries have to differ 12:06:20 <Bjarni> it generates the object files, link them, then automatically reruns make to get the other set. Then it merges the binaries into one binary and use that one to create the application bundle 12:07:18 <Tron> and the problem with 2 configs would be? 12:08:01 * Bjarni just got an idea 12:08:10 <Bjarni> I'm not sure it will end up being nice though 12:08:39 <Bjarni> instead of merging the binaries, I can merge the object files 12:09:03 <Bjarni> creating one object file and then the other one and merge them 12:09:07 <Tron> isn't that /slightly/ over the top? 12:09:25 <Tron> - build two binaries with 2 configs 12:09:27 <Tron> - merge them 12:09:30 <Tron> - ??? 12:09:32 <Tron> - PROFIT! 12:09:48 <Bjarni> it should be able to use the same config 12:10:00 <Bjarni> if you change something in one of them, it should affect the other one as well 12:10:15 <Tron> ever heard of "include"? 12:10:34 <Tron> guess how the current Makefile.config gets used 12:11:16 <Bjarni> I know how it's used 12:12:32 <Tron> fine, what's the problem then? 12:13:07 *** Skiddles [n=notme@cm140.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:13:11 <Bjarni> I'm not really sure 12:13:41 <Bjarni> this solution is far from what I thought about, so I will have to think a bit about it 12:14:20 <Tron> i still have no idea what you thought 12:15:46 <Bjarni> my idea was to give the object files a prefix like release or debug (the different config is fine here) and after that ppc or x86, so I could get say release/pcc and release/x86 when using the same config 12:19:28 <CIA-5> tron * r3829 /trunk/ (7 files): Reduce the use of _error_message by directly returning error codes instead of using this global variable 12:22:39 *** Spacks [n=chatzill@CPE-138-130-237-185.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 12:25:26 *** Skiddles is now known as Skiddles^ 12:30:32 *** dev|ant [i=dev@ppp79-147.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:01 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm140.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:34:03 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B825A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:39:54 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:38 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@81.213.65.118] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:50:17 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80661.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:55:21 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:00:39 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 13:01:53 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:02:31 *** Red118 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 13:13:48 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:17:04 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:33:13 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 13:36:43 *** dev|ant [i=dev@ppp79-147.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has quit [] 13:44:52 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> [12.03. 11:56] <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: no, but the hungarian language uses the phrase 'eszik' for engines, which means 'eat' in english <- that is similar in german, except it uses the word "fressen" instead of "essen" (=eat), which is a more animalic form 13:58:42 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:58:56 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: can you use "fressen" to describe someone's behavior at dinner table? 13:59:31 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, if he behaves extremely bad, like eating with hands and stuff 14:00:04 <Bjarni> which means everybody at the beer festival :D 14:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> probably ;) 14:01:29 <Bjarni> the German (and English for that matter) that you learn at school is for nice people only. I never learned words like fressen :s 14:01:53 <ln-> we did \o/ 14:02:02 <Bjarni> heh 14:02:25 <Bjarni> actually at one time we learned some dirty words in German 14:02:32 <Bjarni> our teacher was a freak 14:02:54 <ln-> "Scheiße"? 14:02:56 <Bjarni> we learned words like bumsen and kacke 14:03:10 <C-Otto> ficken. 14:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah ;) 14:03:18 <Bjarni> but all of a sudden he left for no official reason 14:03:22 <C-Otto> hurensohn? 14:03:25 <Bjarni> like 3 months before the exam 14:03:45 <Bjarni> rumours said that he had slept with one of the girls 14:03:47 <Bjarni> freak 14:04:24 <Bjarni> I guess it's likely the weirdest teacher that I ever had 14:04:42 <Bjarni> he told stories about when his army buddies visited him and they watched porn 14:04:57 <Bjarni> and their planned public nudity events, that they didn't do anyway 14:05:01 <Bjarni> stuff like that 14:05:48 <Bjarni> did you ever have teachers like that? 14:05:48 *** ShadowJK [n=jk@ludicrous.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:05:55 <Bjarni> ... 14:06:00 <ln-> do you know the german composer whose name is Johann Gambolputty, de von Ausfernschplenden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-friedigger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knackerthrasherapplebanger-horowitzticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himble-eisenbahnwagen-gutenabendbitte-ein-nunburger-bratwustle-gernspurten-mit-zwei-mache-lerhunds-futgumber-aberschendanke-kalbsfleisch-mittleraucher von Hauptkopf of Ul 14:06:02 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@228.217.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 14:06:08 <Qball> Bjarni: that only happens in the crazy world of bjarni 14:06:11 <Bjarni> those school stories were too much for ShadowJK, it seems 14:07:37 <Bjarni> Qball: actually I think a lot of people had weird teachers, but not this extreme. It's likely pretty unique 14:08:12 <Bjarni> he lasted less than 3 years at that school 14:08:33 <Qball> Most extreem was a teacher (a replacment, still in school) who came in and said: "Boy's Girls, I have to tell you something, I am bi." 14:08:40 <Bjarni> odds are that they didn't want to fire him because they lacked German teachers and were still looking for more 14:08:44 <Qball> he didn't last 1/2 an hour and ran away crying. 14:08:52 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:54 *** RoySmeding_ [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:56 *** _RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:05 <Qball> I'm seeing triple 14:09:13 *** RoySmeding_ [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:15 <Bjarni> dammit 14:09:17 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:21 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:23 *** _RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:24 <Bjarni> I shouldn't have mentioned the beer festival 14:09:32 <Bjarni> it was too much for Qball 14:09:56 <Qball> ? 14:10:07 <Bjarni> Qball: you know it's dangerous to try everything you read on IRC 14:10:26 <Qball> ? 14:10:33 <Bjarni> [14:58] <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: can you use "fressen" to describe someone's behavior at dinner table? 14:10:33 <Bjarni> [14:59] <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, if he behaves extremely bad, like eating with hands and stuff 14:10:33 <Bjarni> [14:59] <Bjarni> which means everybody at the beer festival :D 14:11:06 <Bjarni> IRC is a weird place 14:11:38 <Bjarni> talk about backup diesel generators ended up as talk about getting drunk, dirty words in other languages and weird teachers 14:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no place is more weird than the people that run it ;) 14:12:16 <Qball> I think I've been missing stuff 14:12:26 <Bjarni> I guess you have to have an IRC mind to see the connection 14:12:39 <Qball> irc is an akroniem for dirty? 14:14:11 <Bjarni> Qball: it all started when MiHaMiX told that he is running on diesel power right now and that the servers will die if the power company don't restore power before they run out of diesel 14:14:38 <Bjarni> the logical event for such a statement is of cause dirty words in German 14:14:45 <Bjarni> you should be aware of that, right? 14:14:55 <Bjarni> I mean, it's not the first time you have been on IRC 14:15:20 <Qball> I know germans have a dirty mind 14:15:32 <Qball> but still not sure where they need diesel for.. 14:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. Diesel = Beer+Cola mix ;) 14:16:01 <Bjarni> the power died so to keep the servers running, they started the diesel generator to power them 14:16:09 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-137-72-178.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:13 <AlexFili> hi everyone 14:16:14 <Bjarni> it only lasts until the diesel tank is empty 14:16:20 <Qball> yes, but what has that todo with dirty words? 14:16:24 <AlexFili> join my server for a really cool game 14:16:26 <Bjarni> and with 50 litre/hour, it will not last forever 14:16:29 <AlexFili> AlexFili's Server 14:16:30 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B825A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 14:16:52 <Bjarni> <Qball> yes, but what has that todo with dirty words? <-- I told you that you have to have an IRC mind to see the connectin 14:16:56 <Bjarni> *connection 14:16:58 <Bjarni> I don't 14:17:01 <Bjarni> it just happened 14:17:21 <Qball> sure 14:17:31 <AlexFili> anyone wanna play? 14:17:31 <Bjarni> hey I got a new idea 14:17:40 *** JohnUK89 [i=user@ACBCB926.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:43 <Qball> Bjarni: what? 14:17:56 <Bjarni> if they run out of diesel, we can just put AlexFili on a bike to power the generator to keep the servers alive 14:17:57 <Qball> talk about non-diesel engines 14:18:09 <Qball> Bjarni: why not directly. 14:18:10 <AlexFili> lol 14:18:15 <Qball> the diesel is more expensive 14:18:34 <AlexFili> Bjarni only if u get someone to code TTD DS for me lol 14:19:06 <Bjarni> ok that's it 14:19:10 <Bjarni> AlexFili is fired 14:19:15 <AlexFili> :s lol 14:19:16 <Qball> AlexFili: you should kneel down an pray to god.. 14:19:16 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:19:26 <AlexFili> Qball what do u think im doing now?! lol 14:19:29 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 14:19:33 * Bjarni captures AlexFili 14:19:36 <ln-> AlexFili: how far did you get with your attempt to port to DS? 14:19:43 <Bjarni> now we got a slave to power the servers 14:19:43 * AlexFili escapes Bjarni's pokeball 14:19:48 <Bjarni> they can't make demands :D 14:19:54 <AlexFili> ln- lets just put it this way, found out it wasnt possible and gave up 14:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... i remember the times when TTO ran smoothly on a 486 with 60MHz and <4MB ram 14:20:21 <AlexFili> not only that, but people do not want to help me at all 14:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well... until you got more than like 40 trains 14:20:45 <ln-> AlexFili: anything is possible with a turing-complete processor. 14:20:47 <AlexFili> i wouldnt mind setting the vehicle limit to 50-200 if i could get it to run 14:21:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and then there was my 386 with 25MHz... there it ran smoothly with under 2 trains ;) 14:21:43 *** AlexFili3 [n=AlexFili@host81-158-247-81.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:21:55 <Eddi|zuHause> with 80 trains it was like 1 frame each 3s ;) 14:22:00 <AlexFili3> lol 14:22:44 <AlexFili3> making 7 coal places next to each other makes for one heck of a train :D 14:22:57 <Eddi|zuHause> of course that was a time where there was no windows running in the background ;) 14:23:02 <AlexFili3> theres an oil place and a forest for whoever wants to play 14:23:12 <AlexFili3> i'll even give u 350k to start up 14:23:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe i had Novell DOS 7 back then... 14:23:40 <egladil> ln-: under the condition that it has unlimited memory 14:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause> *ah... the good old times* 14:25:13 <AlexFili3> lol 14:25:22 <AlexFili3> i loved when dos used to work 14:28:52 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host81-158-247-81.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:28:59 <AlexFili2> well this is annoying :s 14:29:03 <AlexFili2> stupid software reset 14:29:18 <AlexFili2> im running out of names 14:29:23 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:29:37 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 14:29:39 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:29:42 *** stefan is now known as stefan__ 14:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what? with NICKLEN=16, the first 8 characters being 'AlexFili' and the last 8 being numbers you have 10^8 = 100 Million names available ;) 14:31:49 <AlexFili2> join my server if you want to play; http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=1999 14:32:06 <AlexFili2> oh lol 14:32:22 <AlexFili2> i guess i have 99,999,998 left to go then 14:36:38 *** AlexFili2 [n=AlexFili@host81-158-247-81.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 14:39:53 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host86-137-72-178.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:45:56 *** AlexFili3 [n=AlexFili@host81-158-247-81.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:48:40 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:50:31 *** JohnUK89 [i=user@ACBCB926.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 14:50:31 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B825A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:51:36 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:18 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:04:06 <CIA-5> tron * r3830 /trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Move IsTunnelTile() from tile.h to tunnel_map.h and add IsTunnel(), which just checks for a tunnel, but not the tile type as IsTunnelTile() does 15:26:28 *** Torrasque_ [n=chatzill@228.217.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 15:31:30 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 15:31:56 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-192-171.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:34:17 *** stefan__ [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:49:17 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 15:59:30 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 16:01:34 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:04:56 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm140.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["Raah"] 16:06:38 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 16:12:38 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD89237.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 16:13:19 <CIA-5> tron * r3831 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add and use GetRailDepotDirection() 16:15:35 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E3C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:22:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B7714F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:55 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7CCC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:48 *** Xeryus|meeting is now known as XeryusTC 16:33:24 <Tron> peter1138: ? 16:35:50 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 16:36:03 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 16:36:37 <Born_Acorn> wow peter1138, you ain't half been working on erails :o 16:40:05 <Qball> erails? 16:40:10 <Qball> where 16:40:56 <Born_Acorn> Its in a branch 16:41:19 <Born_Acorn> branch/elrail IIRC. 16:45:00 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@85.96.161.185] has joined #openttd 16:45:01 <ln-> is there something that already works in that branch? 16:45:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B763C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> from what i read, it works, but the display is very alpha ;) 16:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> i guess i finally need to set up svn and a compiler :p 16:48:11 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit ["brb, resync"] 16:52:49 <ln-> the f1 season has started 16:57:38 <Bjarni> crap 16:57:51 <Bjarni> I guess now the TV have to show that as well 16:57:59 <Bjarni> oh well, more time for uni and OTTD 16:59:36 *** Spocoo [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 17:00:31 <ln-> the elrail branch seems otherwise playable EXCEPT that the females have only one earring in this branch, too! 17:01:06 <Qball> they do 17:01:08 <Qball> pfff 17:04:25 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@85.96.161.185] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:14:33 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@85.96.161.185] has joined #openttd 17:16:04 <Bjarni> <ln-> the elrail branch seems otherwise playable EXCEPT that the females have only one earring in this branch, too! <--- crap, then I can't use it 17:16:22 <Bjarni> it's just not playable with such a critical bug in it 17:18:34 <ln-> would it be time to somehow take advantage of the power stations in this branch? 17:19:07 <ln-> you know, power stations produce electricity among other things, and you know, electricity is what electrified rails are about. 17:20:58 <Bjarni> you are so mistaken 17:21:06 <Bjarni> power comes from the power outlets 17:21:15 <Bjarni> hence the name 17:22:52 <Bjarni> well, the issue is: how to do it without breaking the gameplay 17:23:02 <Bjarni> you go figure that one out 17:23:04 <Bjarni> bbl 17:24:50 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:25:20 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@85.96.161.185] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:37:20 <ln-> Bjarni: you'd need to build a power line from your track either to nearest power station or the nearest power line. 17:37:40 <glx> ln-: like in simcity? 17:38:51 <ln-> something like that. 17:39:23 *** Spocoo [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 17:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> even more... you will need to deliver coal so the plant delivers power 17:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> power plant should accept oil 17:40:15 <hylje> :) 17:40:25 <hylje> electric trains should be more efficient then 17:40:30 <glx> how solve this: electric train transport coal too have power 17:40:32 <hylje> when it needs hassle 17:40:40 <hylje> glx: diesel for those :) 17:40:58 <hylje> also 17:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: that creates a hen-egg problem ;) 17:41:47 <ln-> also there could be diesel transportation from oil refineries to railway depots. 17:42:08 <CIA-5> tron * r3832 /trunk/ (aircraft_cmd.c roadveh_cmd.c ship_cmd.c train_cmd.c): Replace some magic numbers by (Diag)Direction enums 17:42:19 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 17:42:23 <hylje> the power plant should produce power which is unlike other cargo; maybe electric trains consume the power, and if power in rail < train upkeep, trains stop 17:42:35 <hylje> could be too much of a hassle tho 17:44:55 <hylje> but if diesel alternatives are available at all times (with ordinary rail), the electric ones could be the more-hassle-more-power stuff 17:45:04 <hylje> more efficient and so 17:45:18 <hylje> but needs the infrastructure to keep the rails with juice 18:00:48 <ln-> there isn't a proper electric equivalent for Manley-Morel DMU. 18:05:18 <ln-> nice, you can't attach a non-electrified side track to an electrified one. 18:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> what do you mean? 18:06:29 <ln-> who? by what? 18:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> you, by that last statement 18:08:35 <ln-> i have an electrified track (====), and i'd like to make a non-electrified junction to it: 18:08:38 <ln-> ====================== 18:08:40 <ln-> \ 18:09:28 <ln-> which is not possible unless i build that first piece electrified 18:09:42 <hylje> at which time maglev appears 18:11:05 <ln-> ~2010 18:11:40 <Bjarni> ln-: I don't see any problems in a layout like that 18:11:53 <Bjarni> I think it already works 18:12:50 <ln-> well it doesn't 18:13:20 <ln-> also electrified track and non-electrified cannot cross each other at 90° angle 18:13:20 <Bjarni> how do it fail? 18:13:36 <ln-> it says i need to remove the [existing] track first 18:13:42 <Bjarni> :p 18:13:50 <hylje> does eltrack have any art on it 18:14:15 <ln-> there are pylons and wires 18:16:55 <ln-> only at stations they are almost invisible 18:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: so, you have to build an electrified track on that tile, so what is the problem? 18:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> you suggest that it should be allowed to have 2 railtypes on the same tile? 18:19:02 <hylje> convenience 18:19:10 <hylje> or automagically replace the crossing nonel to el 18:19:15 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@88.240.62.207] has joined #openttd 18:20:09 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: well yes, it should be allowed, or automatic conversion should be done so that the player doesn't have to think about it. 18:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, i guess you are right... 18:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> the 2nd version should be easier, while the 1st would be better 18:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> the 2nd version would probably suffice, when the display is done right. 18:22:17 <peter1138> what it should do is place the track bit, ignoring the type 18:22:21 <peter1138> well, not ignoring it 18:22:30 <peter1138> if you place an elrail bit, it should upgrade the tile 18:22:48 <peter1138> if you place a non-elrail bit on an elrail tile, it should leave it as elrail 18:22:52 <peter1138> pretty simple 18:23:19 <ln-> what should happen if one tries to make electrified track and electrified road cross each other? 18:23:31 <peter1138> and what is electrified road? 18:23:40 <ln-> future technology :) 18:23:54 <ln-> well, e.g. a road for trams or trolleybuses 18:24:02 <peter1138> yeah 18:24:04 <peter1138> but we don't have them 18:24:10 <ln-> yet 18:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> yet 18:24:16 <peter1138> also, it's possible for them to cross 18:24:25 <hylje> trams could be cool 18:25:06 * Eddi|zuHause2 imagines what possible problems a tram/rail crossing could cause 18:25:37 <hylje> and how about road-track junctions like this: [=] road [/] track =/= 18:26:04 <ln-> there has been a tram/rail crossing here in Turku, but that was before the railway was electrified, so there was no issue with the wires. 18:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, those are really necessary! 18:26:31 <ln-> indeed 18:26:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: chances are, the tram and the rail have different voltages ;) 18:27:27 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: i think a bigger problem will be if their wires are at significantly different heights. 18:28:17 <ln-> voltage problem can be handled by adding 2 meters of insulating material to the crossing section instead of wire. 18:28:30 <hylje> my solution would be that the train wires end at both sides of the crossing 18:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> only if each vehicle has at least 2 connectors ;) 18:28:55 <hylje> maybe tram ones too, they should have enough buffer to keep going without power 18:29:11 <hylje> but it has quite a lot of points of failure 18:29:15 <|Jeroen|> why can't they just keep running at the crossing, that the way it is irl 18:30:19 <ln-> hylje: i think it's not good if the pantograph suddenly pops up when the wire ends, so probably they'd use an insulator, not end the wires. 18:30:41 <hylje> non-conductive wire? 18:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> right... but on modern trains, there are more things that need (hopefully continuous) power, not just the engine ;) 18:31:49 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:31:49 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:31:49 <ln-> yes 18:32:46 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: i think most trains do have that buffer / accumulators to keep power up 18:33:16 <hylje> so i wouldnt think that a train would notice if power went out for some seconds 18:33:25 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: but such insulators already exist on wires, because it's unrealistic that in order to cut the power somewhere for safety reasons, you'd have to shut down the entire rail network in the country. 18:33:25 <blathijs> Most train bridges lack a bunch of meters in their electricity 18:33:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that is done with 2 parallel wires 18:34:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> that are connected at some point 18:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> which can be interrupted 18:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have interruptions in the wire anyway, because you need to adjust to temperature-length-difference 18:35:18 <Bjarni> <blathijs> Most train bridges lack a bunch of meters in their electricity <-- which means most railroads that goes under bridges actually got the catenary a bit lower under the bridge than the rest of the line 18:35:55 <blathijs> Bjarni: How do you mean? 18:36:04 <Bjarni> if you happen to drive in a train and there is an electric train on the track next to you (travelling the same way), you can actually see the pantograph goes down at bridges 18:36:16 <blathijs> Bjarni: I was talking about openable bridges over water :-) 18:36:49 <Bjarni> <blathijs> Bjarni: How do you mean? <-- say there are 4,5 meters from the track to the catenary, there might be only 4,4 meters under a bridge 18:37:06 <blathijs> why's that? 18:37:14 <blathijs> and why does that follow from my remark? 18:37:17 <hylje> bridge is not high enough 18:37:18 <Bjarni> because they built the bridge and then they added the catenary 18:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> chances are, that the bridge was there before the catenary ;)= 18:37:37 <Bjarni> and the cheapskates didn't want to rebuild the bridges 18:37:59 <hylje> so they rebuilt the trains 18:38:00 <hylje> ;p 18:38:04 <Bjarni> no 18:38:12 <ln-> Bjarni: and why couldn't they just dig the ground to get the track 10 cm deeper? 18:38:14 <hylje> yes not really 18:38:17 <Bjarni> the pantographs are actually built to handle that 18:38:30 <Bjarni> ln-: again, the price 18:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard a report about some tunnels, that lacked the height for catenary... so they had to dig deeper and lay the track 20cm lower 18:38:52 <blathijs> Bjarni: I presume a pantograph is the train-catenary connector thing? 18:39:04 <Bjarni> yes 18:39:33 <Bjarni> !whatis pantograph 18:39:34 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Pantograph \Pan"to*graph\, n. An instrument for copying plans, maps, and other drawings, on the same, or on a reduced or an enlarged, scale. | 2. An electrical conducting device consisting of a collapsible frame resembling a pantograph, connected to the top of an electrically-powered vehicle such as a trolley, and used to conduct electrical current between the vehicle and an overhead electric wire, which supplies the power to t 18:39:56 <ln-> der Stromabnehmer 18:39:58 <blathijs> ah, yes 18:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i usually use the word "Bügel" 18:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> although "Stromabnehmer" describes the object better ;) 18:42:54 <ln-> one thing, ... besides needing crossings like =/=, it should also be possible to have the track and road go the same way to same direction. 18:43:29 <hylje> talk about train-crush abuse then 18:43:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> that causes lots of trouble with road vehicles 18:44:24 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> i heard a report about some tunnels, that lacked the height for catenary... so they had to dig deeper and lay the track 20cm lower <-- heh, hence the reason why the 3rd rail solution is popular 18:44:34 <Bjarni> it sucks from a technical point of view 18:45:33 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B825A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:44 <Bjarni> <ln-> one thing, ... besides needing crossings like =/=, it should also be possible to have the track and road go the same way to same direction <-- I want that too, but I'm not entirely sure how it should be done 18:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 3rd rail is dangerous, if people crossing rails are involved 18:45:56 <Bjarni> I mean gameplay vise 18:47:04 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> 3rd rail is dangerous, if people crossing rails are involved <-- the road crossings turns off the power when the trains are not there, hence a whole new reason why not to cross when the crossing is activated 18:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean not only road crossings, but people might cross the rail anywhere on the track... 18:48:22 <BurtyB> might cut down on the number of twats running on the lines tho 18:48:27 * ln- prefers to cross the railroad wherever possible, not just where the crossings are 18:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> like, in front of a standing train... 18:49:07 <Bjarni> http://www.ravnsbak.dk/Railway/denmark/hhgb/photos/hhgb_railways_jernbaner_denmark_20050223_33_helsingor.JPG <-- rails sometimes DO run in the same direction as the road 18:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> sure they are... 18:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> but most times you just lay the track next to the road... 18:52:51 <hylje> its safer too 18:54:43 <ln-> http://vaunut.org/kuvasivu/10604 18:56:06 <CIA-5> celestar * r3833 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Fix: Fixed some data in an array which caused pylons to not appear on switches 18:56:55 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7CCC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:58 <Celestar> peter1138: anyone around? 18:57:41 <hylje> no 18:58:06 <Tron> Celestar: ? 18:58:34 <Celestar> s/anyone/you 18:58:52 <ln-> how about supporting tracks on ice: http://vaunut.org/kuvasivu/11583 18:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> lol ;) 18:59:31 *** syf [i=syf@n28z20l51.broadband.ctm.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:53 <ln-> the reason: the bridge was destroyed: http://vaunut.org/kuvasivu/11579 19:00:17 <CIA-5> celestar * r3834 /branch/elrail/ (26 files in 3 dirs): -Merge from trunk: 3818:3833 19:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: that looks like World War 2 19:01:28 <Celestar> Bjarni: you got a minute? 19:01:35 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-209-82.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:40 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: quite correct 19:01:52 <peter1138> Celestar: well, me 19:02:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> of course the date should have told me that ;) 19:02:31 <Celestar> peter1138: catenaries work rather well on flat tiles now \o/ care to test and report some problems with it? 19:02:39 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause2: more or less, but the bridge was indeed destroyed by germans leaving from finland. 19:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> lots of bridges were destroyed in that time 19:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> usually to prevent the enemy from moving on 19:03:11 <peter1138> Celestar: ok 19:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are films about this... 19:03:55 <Celestar> peter1138: screenies would be of help or trackconfigs and tile coordinates :) 19:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> the most famous one is "Die Brücke von Remagen" 19:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> about the last bridge over the "Rhein" 19:07:21 <Celestar> peter1138: we still have stuff to do for sloped tiles. mainly adjust the array at line 580. got time to do that anytime soon? 19:07:51 <peter1138> hmm, yeah, they're rather screwed :) 19:09:03 <Celestar> well, they're not taken into account yet :P 19:09:39 <Celestar> peter1138: I might do some more documentation right now, so that other people can work on it easier 19:11:55 *** tokai is now known as tk|dvd 19:12:03 <ln-> Celestar: do you think power station should be involved with delivering power to these new electrified railways? 19:12:41 <Celestar> nope, because I think it is beyond the scope of the game 19:13:06 <hylje> someone could make a patch for it 19:13:07 <hylje> :p 19:13:24 <peter1138> someone could 19:13:26 <peter1138> but it's a stupid idea 19:13:41 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7CCC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:13:49 <peter1138> i don't see coal being required for steam, or oil for diesel engines 19:14:08 <peter1138> you could do them too, but how would you start? heh 19:14:51 <peter1138> hmm, time for the debugger... just had an assert :( 19:15:11 <hylje> maybe you need to start with trucks :> 19:15:26 <ln-> they need fuel, too 19:16:18 <hylje> fuel could be automagically in the towns 19:18:00 <ln-> Celestar: can you have electrified track on a station that delivers wood? in reality a non-electrified track is needed. 19:19:06 <hylje> gameplay>realism 19:19:20 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@88.240.62.207] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:19:49 <Celestar> ?! 19:19:55 <blathijs> ln-: why? 19:21:18 <ln-> blathijs: because it would be dangerous to operate a crane near the wagons if there was an wire over them. and even if power was cut from it, it would still be in the way. 19:21:37 <blathijs> ah, right 19:21:41 <Celestar> theoretically. 19:21:47 <Celestar> but we cannot take that into account as well :P 19:21:48 <blathijs> Doesn't that go for other cargo too? 19:22:09 <ln-> blathijs: yes, probably. not all though. 19:23:30 <Tron> ftp://tron.homeunix.org/ottd/bridge.png *tinker* 19:24:03 <peter1138> :-) 19:25:26 <Tron> and the first guy/gal telling me that the pillars don't correctly fit at the level crossing will suffer from something unspeakable cruel 19:25:52 <peter1138> looks fine to me 19:26:37 <hylje> omg nice bridge 19:26:48 <ln-> Tron: the pillars seem fine, but the females have only one earring. 19:27:03 <Tron> the joke is getting old 19:27:15 <hylje> no, and the females have only one earring 19:27:16 <ln-> i suspected so. 19:27:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 19:28:05 <ln-> Tron: when will we see that in trunk? 19:28:06 <peter1138> Tron: any progress on the flying vehicles then? 19:28:13 <Tron> i guess peter1138 wants to tell you, you'd better stop now. am i right, peter? 19:28:23 <peter1138> correct :) 19:28:47 <Tron> peter1138: not yet, first i want to finish making the bridge code as it is now readable 19:28:56 * peter1138 nods 19:29:09 <Tron> so it's easier to figure out how to correctly beat the pathfinder(s) 19:29:13 <peter1138> yeah 19:29:27 <hylje> so you intend to make the code unreadable? 19:29:41 <Tron> ? 19:29:45 <peter1138> hylje: make itas it is now, readable 19:30:08 <hylje> k 19:31:40 <Tron> there mustn't be any bitmagic for bridges left, before i can do any substantial changes 19:32:36 <ln-> Tron: what do you think about the utf-8 patch? 19:32:42 <syf> how about having towns requiring power to evolve properly.. so we can build powerlines.. and water tubes. oh wait, wrong game 19:33:08 <hylje> towns pay you to build infrastructure too 19:33:13 <hylje> could work 19:33:29 <Tron> ln-: i haven't looked close enough to say anything meaningful about it 19:34:29 <Tron> tunnels under 1 level high bridges need some more love and caring 19:34:37 <Tron> the sprite sorting order seems to be wrong there 19:34:57 <ln-> Tron: do you think it could be acceptable that the savegame filenames show wrong in the open/save dialog if they have utf-8 in their names? that's the only issue the patch doesn't cover (at least not yet). 19:35:17 <Tron> isn't that already the case? 19:35:28 <ln-> yes, it is, if you have utf-8 filenames. 19:35:43 <Tron> so what's the problem? 19:36:27 <ln-> if that's no problem, then i don't see any problems. 19:37:27 <CIA-5> celestar * r3835 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Doc: Greatly improved documentation of DrawCatenaryRailway and added numerous todos 19:37:35 <peter1138> Tron: yes, some of the dimensions given to the sorter for bridges are... "interesting" 19:38:00 <Tron> peter1138: any pointers? 19:38:58 <Tron> atm tunnel sprites may have pretty much any bogus dimensions, because there can't be anything above them 19:42:02 *** Gameseeker [i=Gameseek@084202119117.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 19:44:11 <Tron> peter1138: ? 19:44:47 <Celestar> GAH 19:46:14 <CIA-5> celestar * r3836 /branch/elrail/elrail.c: -Fix: Removed a very faulty comment and added an assert 19:46:26 <peter1138> well, it's faked :( 19:46:45 <peter1138> the tunnel entrance claims to be higher than 8, so that rvs can fit under it 19:46:57 <peter1138> but the bridge surface is at 5... 19:47:18 <Celestar> yay my phone crashed 19:47:24 <Celestar> crappy firmware 19:48:08 <Tron> peter1138: hmhm... any suggestions? 19:49:14 <Celestar> 5? 19:49:29 <Celestar> I wish we could have tunnel entrances in foundations :S 19:50:21 <peter1138> i think we're stuck for it 19:50:47 <peter1138> hmm, ai assertion 19:51:40 <peter1138> it tried to sell a rail wagon and failed. hmm. 19:51:51 <peter1138> and i clicked "abort" instead of "retry" 19:51:55 <peter1138> stupid messages 19:52:04 <peter1138> should be a button that says "debug" 19:52:49 <Tron> this could be my fault. I changed so much stuff, it would be a real trick if i did no mistake 19:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> "make a mistake" == "screw everything up"? 19:55:22 <Celestar> bah how do I get a tileslope from a Tileindex ? 19:55:27 <Celestar> er .. tileh 19:55:50 <Celestar> oh GetTileSlope 19:57:38 <Tron> this only gives you the slope _without_ foundation 20:01:11 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.18.28] has quit ["Sleep 'n' all that [Time wasted online: 11hrs 57mins 20secs]"] 20:01:13 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:04:40 <Celestar> yes 20:04:44 <Celestar> I'm aware of that 20:09:14 <peter1138> hmmm 20:09:27 <peter1138> looks like the AI has run out of money and is trying to sell off wagons 20:09:30 <peter1138> however 20:09:41 <peter1138> it looks like it doesn't have any wagons 20:10:08 <peter1138> this is the elrail branch, though 20:10:12 * peter1138 ponders checking trunk 20:11:54 <peter1138> p->ai.wagon_list contains 9 values. they're all 0 except for entry 6 which is INVALID_VEHICLE 20:14:19 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 20:15:21 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7CCC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:18:49 <Born_Acorn> What is happening with erails? I see lots and lots of development in the SVN digest! 20:19:10 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:19:25 <Celestar> bahh 20:19:39 <Celestar> haven't we any function that returns the tileh AFTER the foundation 20:20:11 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:23:19 <Tron> as i said in the pm: DrawFoundation alters the tileh accordingly 20:23:32 <Celestar> yeah 20:24:05 <Celestar> but it draws crap :P 20:24:20 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 20:24:30 *** Celestar is now known as Celaway 20:24:35 <Celaway> btb 20:24:38 <Celaway> gtg 20:24:42 <Celaway> c ya tomorrow. 20:24:47 <Celaway> peter1138: your code for the next 24 hours :P 20:29:07 *** |Jeroen| [n=users@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:29:10 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:49:05 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:00:18 <CIA-5> tron * r3837 /trunk/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: 21:00:18 <CIA-5> Partially unmagicfy restoring the tiles when deleting a bridge 21:00:18 <CIA-5> Existing bug: When restoring a road piece which belongs to a town the town index unconditionally gets set to 0 21:00:58 *** iridium is now known as iridium`nh 21:01:29 <Noldo> Tron: could it check it from the neihgbouring road pieces 21:03:10 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:07:03 *** haXs [n=jb@ACD5661E.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:07:10 <haXs> Hey 21:07:36 <haXs> is anyone around that could help me with a bug i think iv found? 21:09:03 *** Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: dp--, Mukke, FauxFaux, StarLite, egladil, wolf^, Osai, tiberiusteng, @Bjarni, ohyeah, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:09:08 *** Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Celaway, FredNeuberger, CIA-5, Qball, jmp_ghli, Kjetil, mojs 21:09:15 <haXs> hmm i smell a netsplit 21:09:34 *** Netsplit over, joins: @Bjarni, Mukke, XeryusTC, Osai, dp--, Sionide, Cipri, StarLite, egladil, jmp_ghli (+10 more) 21:09:36 <SpComb> yeah? 21:09:48 * SpComb thinks he saw a unnetsplat 21:09:56 * haXs blinks 21:11:08 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:12:10 <Bjarni> hi Tobin 21:12:23 <Tobin> Morning. 21:12:32 <Bjarni> is it morning already? 21:12:44 <haXs> Would somone mind telling me if there openttd crashes when they join there server 21:12:45 <Bjarni> damn, I missed sleeping 21:13:02 <haXs> Me thinks somethings up but i unno what 21:13:35 <haXs> * crashes when someone joins my server 21:13:40 <Qball> haXs: I think Bjarni hacked your pc, and is playing a practical joke 21:13:49 <haXs> lol 21:14:05 <Qball> that isn't funny 21:14:13 <Bjarni> Tobin: could you eventually try to figure out why the fast version of the cocoa driver don't work on Intel macs? 21:14:21 <Qball> bjarni is a dangerous woman 21:14:25 <Bjarni> !insult Qball 21:14:26 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni tells Qball: You have less value than a shovel full of horse shit. Do yourself and everyone else a favor: paint crosshairs on your forehead and walk across a rifle firing range, you unicycle-pedalling blubberhead in floppy clown shoes. 21:14:58 <Tobin> Bjarni: No I haven't had much spare time. :( 21:15:35 <Bjarni> Tobin: right now it redraws everything on i686, while it only redraws the places that changed on ppc 21:16:00 <Bjarni> which means it's like 1000% faster on PPC 21:16:10 <Qball> go go ppc goooo 21:16:14 <Qball> !chear ppc 21:16:18 <Qball> !cheer ppc 21:16:22 <Qball> whatevr 21:16:37 <Bjarni> Tobin: I said eventually, I didn't say you should do it right now 21:18:25 <Kjetil> Qball: are thou bad mouthing our glorius leader ? 21:18:58 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 21:19:05 <Qball> nop. I said nothing about peter1138 21:19:48 <Bjarni> !insult Qball 21:19:49 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni tells Qball: You are living proof that manure can sprout legs and walk! 21:19:54 <haXs> What sort of stuff do i need to submit in a bug report? 21:20:18 * haXs has never had to do one before 21:20:32 <Bjarni> haXs: your OS, OpenTTD version, credit card number, what you do to make it go wrong, what goes wrong 21:20:34 <Bjarni> stuff like that 21:20:38 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:45 <haXs> Ok do i need my expiry date aswell 21:21:11 <Bjarni> yeah, otherwise it's no fun to post it in a public viewable place ;) 21:21:33 <haXs> would someone mind confirming that it is a real issue rather then just my client 21:22:04 <haXs> In the server listings, its the -=[Kent, UK]=- Server, when i connect to it my game crashes 21:22:45 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:22:53 <Turulo> maybe it uses custom grfs, it also crash for me on psp 21:22:58 <haXs> i can connect but i zoom out and then it just crashes but i cant submit an error report 21:23:13 <Turulo> if you run it from console 21:23:14 <haXs> nope, it definatly doesnt have custom grfs 21:23:29 <Turulo> you should see a message saying missing custom newgrf files 21:23:31 <Turulo> or something like 21:23:38 <haXs> i havnt put any on there 21:23:50 <hylje> maybe its a hax server! 21:23:54 *** Red712 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:56 <haXs> i compiled the server manualy 21:24:02 <haXs> and its been runnig fine for 3 weeks 21:24:09 <Qball> bad ram? 21:24:30 <haXs> hope not :\ 21:24:48 <Qball> make a coredump 21:24:49 <Turulo> haXs have you executed the game on a xterm 21:24:50 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:24:59 <Turulo> and looked for debug messages? 21:25:08 <haXs> No its running in a screen session 21:25:11 <haXs> good idea 21:25:19 <haXs> i will turn debugging on 21:25:21 <Qball> ulimit -c unlimited 21:25:53 <Turulo> hey Qball you posted a flash video with a 3d gnome some time ago? 21:26:05 <hylje> xgl 21:26:16 <Turulo> ohhh 21:26:28 <Turulo> i was wondering what he was using 21:26:42 <Turulo> because desktop changing was just like 3ddesktop 21:26:45 <hylje> there you got it 21:26:46 <Qball> hmmm 21:26:53 <Turulo> but the window animation was very nice 21:26:53 <Qball> I didn't made a video 21:27:00 <Qball> but yeah it's xgl you are looking for 21:27:12 <Turulo> someone posted a link 21:27:18 <Turulo> with a flash video of xgl 21:27:37 <Qball> could have been me 21:27:47 <Turulo> ok 21:28:04 <Qball> I've played openttd around the corner 21:28:23 <hylje> hmm 21:28:38 <Turulo> im gonna build xgl then 21:28:40 <hylje> i should install gentoo on my real box just for xgl 21:28:44 <Turulo> i dont see it on debian unstable 21:28:46 <hylje> and games 21:28:51 <Qball> there is a live cd 21:31:23 <hylje> yes 21:32:09 *** Red118 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32:19 *** haXs [n=jb@ACD5661E.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 21:37:00 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:37:59 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:38:20 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:39:38 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:53:47 <Bjarni> Darkvater: are you finally back, or was it your evil twin brother, that just posted on the forum? 21:54:08 <hylje> i blame the evil twin 21:55:37 <Qball> the evil twin 21:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought we already ruled out the possibility of there being anyone more evil ;) 21:56:35 <Bjarni> a twin can still be evil on a good-evil scale 21:56:42 <Bjarni> say 0 is neutral 21:56:47 <Bjarni> and Darkvater is -100 21:56:55 <Bjarni> the twin can still be -95 21:57:32 <Qball> DV only -100 21:57:35 <Qball> impossible 21:58:15 <Bjarni> -100 on a scale from -100 to 100 is pretty low 21:58:33 <Bjarni> http://www.redstoneprojects.com/trebuchetstore/trebuchet_plans.html <-- cool... if you had the time to do such a thing 21:58:51 <Bjarni> working war machinery do it yourself plans 21:59:53 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 22:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> but "the evil twin" is supposed to be more evil than the "original" 22:00:17 <Bjarni> nobody said that 22:00:24 <Qball> not in case of a evil original 22:00:27 <Bjarni> evil = less than 0, twin as in twin 22:01:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you refer to someone as "THE evil twin", then the other one is supposed to be "the good twin" 22:01:44 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [] 22:01:56 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: that's your story 22:02:02 <Qball> no... accept it 22:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not my nature ;) 22:02:38 <Qball> or I will ask bjarni to kick you. 22:02:54 <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats poke poke 22:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> then i will h4xx0r your computer :p 22:03:06 <ln-> attention, ubuntu users, there's a new, critical security problem in ubuntu. 22:03:17 <Qball> Eddi|zuHause2: ok. I use ubuntu 22:03:22 <Qball> Eddi|zuHause2: so read the ln- announcment 22:03:36 <Qball> installersaves password plaintext 22:03:56 <guru3> SpComb: http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/openttd.html 22:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's hardly something for remote access... 22:04:22 <SpComb> hah! time to eat orudge 22:04:25 * SpComb eats orudge for lies 22:04:34 <SpComb> guru3: but do you have the logs acessible :P 22:04:53 <guru3> yeah 22:04:56 <guru3> it generates every day at 4am 22:05:04 <guru3> well 22:05:05 <guru3> not publicly 22:05:13 <guru3> but it stil generates everyday at 4 am x) 22:05:21 <SpComb> remove the /stats part of my link :P 22:05:28 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: you can't touch me, but you might be able to attact AlexFili. He is a windows user and odds are that he have yet to figure out how to active a firewall (and to figure out what it is) and how to install updates/security fixes 22:05:31 <SpComb> arre 22:05:34 * SpComb doesn't care 22:05:41 <SpComb> but you have a long reporting period :o 22:05:52 <guru3> i have logs for that period too 22:06:11 <guru3> SpComb: The requested URL /~terom/logs/openttd/ was not found on this server. 22:06:16 <SpComb> -/ 22:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> 23 Eddi|zuHause, 25 Eddi|zuHause2 <- that's not a very good script if it cannot join these 2 nicks, SpComb 22:06:21 <SpComb> as in, take off the / 22:06:27 <guru3> hmm 22:06:28 <guru3> well 22:06:36 <guru3> meh 22:06:38 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause2: you have to tell it to alias them together 22:06:42 <SpComb> it doesn't do it automatically 22:06:44 <guru3> i sitll have 400 days of logs 22:06:55 <SpComb> guru3: I don't want to start comparing our stats pages :P 22:06:57 <Bjarni> guru3: who figured that out? 22:07:00 * SpComb runs it as a public service! 22:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> then this would be the right time to tell it ;) 22:07:07 <Bjarni> I mean how is those stats created 22:07:16 <guru3> pisg does it 22:07:35 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause2: 1) slows it down a lot 2) I have to do it manually 3) don't really feel like it :P 22:07:36 * orudge didn't know that was there, SpComb 22:07:37 <orudge> so there 22:07:39 <guru3> http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ 22:07:42 <SpComb> so there 22:07:44 <orudge> 9527 lines, wow 22:07:44 <SpComb> so dar! 22:07:46 <Bjarni> Darkvater is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 56 times. 22:07:46 <Bjarni> For example, like this: 22:07:46 <Bjarni> * Darkvater slaps Singaporekid back tot he kindergarten 22:07:46 <Bjarni> TrueLight can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 50 times. 22:07:50 * SpComb pats guru3 22:07:53 <Bjarni> she? 22:08:01 <Bjarni> there is something we didn't know :p 22:08:08 * orudge guesses the stats owner hasn't added people's sexes to the stats 22:08:09 <SpComb> you know, you could install my logs browser for your logs as well if you wanted to :P 22:08:11 <orudge> I did that for the sinner. 22:08:21 <guru3> SpComb: hmm, i dunno 22:08:28 <guru3> logs go back long time 22:08:30 <Bjarni> The loudest one was Born-Acorn, who yelled 20.6% of the time! 22:08:30 <Bjarni> Another old yeller was Born_Acorn, who shouted 18.8% of the time! 22:08:31 <Bjarni> LOL 22:08:33 <guru3> and my bandwith is bit limited right now 22:08:41 * SpComb needs to make some sort of other-than-irssi logs thing 22:08:51 <SpComb> it's really a matter of a regexp and deciding what logfile to open up 22:09:16 <SpComb> although... it doesn't take into account the possibility of two days in a single logfile 22:09:22 <guru3> i suppose i should teach my stats that CIA is a bot.. 22:09:23 <Bjarni> CIA-10 seems to be sad at the moment: 24.3% lines contained sad faces. :( <-- LOL 22:09:32 <SpComb> eh? 22:09:45 <SpComb> weird 22:09:46 <glx> CIA-5 is also a sad person, crying 20.0% of the time. 22:09:49 <peter1138> nn 22:09:53 <SpComb> :o 22:09:56 <SpComb> two-letter acronyms 22:10:04 <guru3> yeah 22:10:04 <Bjarni> it detects the commit messages as :( 22:10:06 <Bjarni> :D 22:10:11 <guru3> maybe ill tell it that CIA is a bot 22:10:15 <guru3> so we can see who's actually sad 22:10:16 <guru3> :( 22:10:24 <ln-> 21:00 < CIA-5> celestar * r3834 /branch/elrail/ (26 files in 3 dirs): -Merge 22:10:45 <guru3> lol 22:10:48 <Bjarni> also tell it that Born-Acorn is the same as Born_Acorn 22:10:48 <guru3> that would do it 22:10:49 <ln-> a left-handed ): ... is it that one 22:11:07 <guru3> let me open up the config file 22:11:12 <guru3> sort these nick things out 22:11:18 * SpComb thinks stats pages are even more useless than a log browser 22:11:57 <guru3> anythings other than CIA 5 and 10? 22:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> CIA-* 22:12:11 <Bjarni> Darkvater is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 59 people! 22:12:44 <guru3> can pisg do wild cards? 22:13:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have no clue ;) 22:13:18 <Bjarni> Orudge_1_1 has quite a potty mouth. 100% words were foul language. <-- that's hard to beat o_O 22:13:24 <orudge> Orudge_1_1? 22:13:25 <orudge> That's not me. 22:13:32 <orudge> :p 22:13:38 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-97.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:13:47 <guru3> we had CIA-9 for a very short time 22:14:05 <guru3> CIA 7 and 4 were also rare 22:14:15 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 22:14:33 <Bjarni> Is Conny stupid or just asking too many questions? 36.6% lines contained a question! <-- try to update the stats so it will say AlexFili instead 22:14:56 <guru3> is it Born_Acorn or Born-Acorn ? 22:15:36 <orudge> Both 22:15:39 <orudge> But Born_Acorn is normal 22:15:41 <guru3> ok 22:15:50 <guru3> anyone else need/want to be added? 22:15:52 <orudge> also, add orudge` as an alias for orudge, and things like that 22:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> AlexFili seems to be unliked too. <- HAHA ;) 22:16:29 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 22:17:20 <guru3> any others? 22:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have 2 alternating nicks ;) 22:17:49 <SpComb> heh, maintaining user aliases in pisg... not fun 22:17:56 <guru3> Eddi|zuHause2: which are? 22:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> Eddi|zuHause and Eddi|zuHause2 22:18:15 <guru3> and which is the primary one? 22:18:33 <guru3> Eddi|zuHause yeah? 22:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah 22:18:41 <guru3> any other takers? 22:19:01 * Bjarni needs to kick more people 22:19:22 <Bjarni> insane people: beware 22:19:29 <Bjarni> you are not welcome here 22:19:36 <Bjarni> I need to get the record 22:20:03 <Bjarni> btw how often is that page updated? 22:20:10 <Bjarni> and why did you make it? 22:20:28 <Bjarni> and how do it manage to find those quotes? 22:20:34 <Bjarni> they appear to be rather good ;) 22:20:36 <guru3> it's an automatic script 22:20:38 <ThePizzaKing> I'm insane!! 22:20:38 <guru3> someone else wrote 22:20:40 <guru3> quotes are random 22:20:44 <Bjarni> "GoneWacko: we all know that you are a wacko :p" 22:20:45 <guru3> just ppl say funny things here 22:20:49 <guru3> i set it to update every 24h at 4am 22:20:54 <guru3> because i have years of irclogs 22:21:00 *** ThePizzaKing was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [thank you] 22:21:04 <guru3> lol 22:21:05 <glx> Bjarni talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 445 times! <-- one more :) 22:21:12 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:21:17 <ThePizzaKing> hehe 22:21:19 <Bjarni> glx: yeah, on purpose 22:21:35 <guru3> well 22:21:39 <guru3> just well 22:21:40 <guru3> lol 22:22:23 <guru3> x) 22:22:26 <guru3> talk people! 22:22:36 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947D26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [""cal 9 1752""] 22:22:47 <guru3> ... 22:23:10 * ThePizzaKing talks 22:23:13 <guru3> huzzah! 22:24:32 <Bjarni> Bjarni seemed to be hated too: 15 kicks were received. 22:24:33 <Bjarni> Darkvater's faithful follower, Bjarni, kicked about 44 people. 22:24:39 <Bjarni> I better stop kicking myself 22:24:53 <guru3> >< 22:25:08 *** Hendikins|ADSL [n=wolfox@ppp23-114.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:25:29 <guru3> updating the stats now 22:25:31 <guru3> with the new nick stuff 22:26:04 <Bjarni> Bjarni always lets us know what he/she's doing: 1353 actions! 22:26:04 <Bjarni> For example, like this: 22:26:04 <Bjarni> * Bjarni sets mode +b *!*@*.co.uk 22:26:05 <Bjarni> LOL 22:26:34 <guru3> yeah 22:26:41 <guru3> gotta hate those english... aparently... 22:27:10 <Bjarni> I can remember when I did it 22:27:15 <Bjarni> I can't remember why though 22:27:24 <Bjarni> besides it was a /me, not a real ban 22:27:28 <guru3> i know 22:27:31 <guru3> still hillarious 22:29:04 <glx> Bjarni seemed to be hated too: 15 kicks were received. 22:29:12 <Bjarni> yeah' 22:29:25 <Bjarni> if I had never kicked myself, the name would be something else 22:29:27 <guru3> this would go faster if people didn't talk so much :/ 22:29:35 <Bjarni> haha 22:29:44 <guru3> as it stands it's just eating my cpu 22:29:54 <guru3> 25 0 92896 86m 1504 R 94.1 9.8 4:13.87 pisg 22:30:10 <Bjarni> you should try to run it with the time command next time 22:30:19 <guru3> i know how long it takes 22:30:24 <guru3> 4:06:10 is the gen time 22:30:27 <Bjarni> forever 22:30:30 <guru3> it starts at 4 am on a cron 22:30:38 <Bjarni> ahh 22:30:43 <Bjarni> so 6 minutes 22:30:49 <Bjarni> not bad 22:31:00 <Bjarni> what CPU? 22:31:10 <guru3> 2.4ghz xeon 22:31:13 <Bjarni> I mean, is it faster or slower than compiling OTTD? 22:31:19 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:31:22 <guru3> slower 22:31:24 <Born_Acorn> So many highlights! 22:31:25 <Born_Acorn> argh 22:31:27 <guru3> ottd compiles way faster 22:31:27 * Born_Acorn dies 22:31:49 <Bjarni> guru3: then you haven't tried to compile a tripple binary :p 22:31:57 <guru3> no 22:31:59 <Bjarni> it takes around 3 times as long 22:32:02 <ln-> http://mijnkopthee.nl/images/space_comparison_chart_huge.jpeg 22:32:04 <guru3> but i have compiled a kernel in less than 2 minutes 22:32:08 <Bjarni> and you need a mac to do so as the makefile is right now 22:32:40 <guru3> i am macless 22:32:45 <guru3> always wanted one 22:32:50 <guru3> stats updated 22:32:52 <Born_Acorn> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&q=spore <= MASSIVE gameplay video on Spore 22:33:21 <DjViper> old 22:33:24 <DjViper> but very nice 22:33:33 <DjViper> lovely concept-game 22:33:47 <Bjarni> ln-: is it bad to first think it's planned stuff and scroll around, then stop and think "hey, that's the caretaker array from star trek voyager" 22:33:52 <Darkvater> what's the problem with you guys? 22:33:55 <Darkvater> sjeesh :) 22:34:11 <Bjarni> hi Darkvater 22:34:22 <Bjarni> Darkvater: you are evil 22:34:30 <Bjarni> at least guru3's script says so 22:34:41 <guru3> say wha 22:34:43 <Darkvater> hehe, guru's script must be right 22:34:49 <Bjarni> oops, not evil 22:34:50 <Bjarni> Darkvater is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 59 people! 22:35:10 <Darkvater> hmm...I wasn't even here 22:35:18 <Bjarni> Diablo-D3 wasn't very popular, getting kicked 15 times! 22:35:37 <Bjarni> it's based on the last 448 days 22:35:50 <Bjarni> we only kicked diablo 15 times? 22:35:55 <Darkvater> ah, that is wholly possible then :) 22:35:55 <Bjarni> we should do it some more 22:36:00 <Darkvater> so, what'd I miss? :) 22:36:10 <Bjarni> everything that happened during the last week 22:36:11 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/openttd.html 22:36:14 <Darkvater> no I am NOT going to read back 11 days of IRC logs! 22:36:22 <guru3> that's a handy summary 22:37:18 <guru3> Orudge_1_1 has quite a potty mouth. 100% words were foul language. 22:37:19 <guru3> lol 22:37:47 <Bjarni> Darkvater is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 55 times. 22:37:47 <Bjarni> For example, like this: 22:37:47 <Bjarni> * Darkvater slaps Celestar 22:38:02 * guru3 slaps /me 22:38:15 <Bjarni> guru3: try to figure out what that Orudge_1_1 is 22:38:24 <orudge> I'd still like to know who that is, indeed 22:38:25 * orudge looks 22:38:34 <Bjarni> CIA-4 seems to be sad at the moment: 18.8% lines contained sad faces. :( 22:38:40 <Bjarni> still not perfect 22:38:40 <guru3> i missed one of the CIAs 22:38:45 <guru3> it'll be gone tomorrow 22:38:54 <guru3> i'm _not_ going to burn another 6 minutes of cpu to do it again 22:39:05 <orudge> Twas Born_Acorn! 22:39:12 <orudge> or, hm 22:39:16 <orudge> No 22:39:16 <guru3> if we really want to find out 22:39:19 <orudge> Yes. 22:39:21 <orudge> It was. 22:39:24 <glx> guru3: don't count jmp_ghli too 22:39:26 * orudge checked his logs 22:39:34 <guru3> 22:49 -!- Orudge` is now known as Orudge_1_1 22:39:34 <Fujitsu> jmp_ghli is here? 22:39:39 <guru3> that's what ive got in the logs 22:39:42 <Born_Acorn> What now? 22:40:02 <Bjarni> !insult Fujitsu 22:40:03 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni tells Fujitsu: You have less value than a fart from a flea's ass. If life was fair, you would become a suicide bomber, you under-medicated utterly clueless quarterwit. 22:40:10 <Bjarni> you should have noticed that by now 22:40:13 <Fujitsu> !insult Bjarni 22:40:14 <jmp_ghli> >Fujitsu> fujitsu tells Bjarni: I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass. 22:40:25 <guru3> yeah... 22:40:25 <SpComb> :o 22:40:28 <SpComb> how rude 22:40:28 <guru3> ill add him to the ignore 22:40:29 *** Fujitsu was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [don't do that] 22:40:40 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:40:43 <Fujitsu> What did I do? 22:40:55 <Bjarni> you tried to use my power against me 22:41:00 <guru3> lol 22:41:07 <guru3> the ops are vengeful here 22:41:14 <Darkvater> so, see you guys tomorrow, had a long day today, didn't get back till a short time ago :( 22:41:17 <Darkvater> cheers 22:41:19 <guru3> cu dv 22:41:23 <Bjarni> bye Darkvater 22:41:24 * Born_Acorn tells you all what's up 22:41:27 <Fujitsu> Bye./ 22:42:28 <guru3> you should put a link to the irc stats in the topic 22:42:34 <guru3> it'd cause no end to not getting work done 22:42:46 <Fujitsu> Hahha 22:42:54 <Born_Acorn> I am not Orudge_1_1 22:43:05 <guru3> Born_Acorn: i found log segment, orudge is 22:43:22 <Born_Acorn> :o 22:43:38 <guru3> 22:49 -!- Orudge` is now known as Orudge_1_1 22:43:39 <guru3> 22:50 < Orudge_1_1> muahhahah 22:43:49 <guru3> do you want me to trail back further? 22:44:25 * orudge checks that log again 22:44:39 <guru3> i am too 22:44:41 <guru3> with vim this time 22:44:45 <guru3> damn it's slow on le log file 22:45:07 <SpComb> stats smell! 22:45:07 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: Good services except for translator, which is DOWN | Website: *.openttd.org (Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs) | channel stats: http://electricpotential.net/ircstats/openttd.html 22:45:13 <orudge> OK, working backwards 22:45:13 <orudge> [21:53:00] * Orudge` is now known as Orudge_1_1 22:45:16 <orudge> [21:52:41] * orudge_1_2 is now known as Orudge` 22:45:24 <orudge> [21:51:22] * Born_Acorn_1_2 is now known as orudge_1_2 22:45:30 <guru3> im going 22:45:32 <orudge> [21:49:56] * TheRealHackyKid is now known as Born_Acorn_1_2 22:45:41 <Born_Acorn> Born_Acorn_1_2? 22:45:41 <SpComb> identity crisis! 22:45:45 <orudge> [21:46:02] * TheRealHackyKid has joined #openttd 22:45:45 <orudge> [21:46:14] <TheRealHackyKid> What is going on 'ere then? 22:45:47 <Bjarni> ohh, I start to remember 22:45:48 <orudge> So, hm, it was someone 22:45:54 <orudge> But not me. 22:45:58 <orudge> And perhaps not Born_Acorn either. 22:45:58 <guru3> 22:42 -!- TheRealHackyKid [~luca@84-51-135-171.lucasp897.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:46:00 <Born_Acorn> Or me! 22:46:01 <guru3> that's who it was 22:46:06 <Born_Acorn> LUCASSPILLER! 22:46:09 <Born_Acorn> -S 22:46:13 <Born_Acorn> twas him. 22:46:14 <Bjarni> LOL 22:46:20 <guru3> 'appy now? 22:46:27 <Bjarni> btw I haven't seen him in ages 22:46:32 <Born_Acorn> [~luca@84-51-135-171.lucasp897.adsl.metronet.co.uk] 22:46:40 <Born_Acorn> I am not the villain! 22:46:59 *** Fujitsu was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [you can't win] 22:47:11 <guru3> yup 22:47:16 <guru3> definietely luca 22:47:21 <orudge> Op me! 22:47:25 <Vornicus> huh? 22:47:25 * orudge hops about a bit 22:47:26 <orudge> brb 22:47:28 <guru3> lol 22:47:30 <Bjarni> when was he lastin this channel? 22:47:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by Bjarni 22:47:35 <orudge> How come there is no ChanServ in here? 22:47:35 <guru3> hold on... 22:47:41 <Vornicus> excessivehuh? 22:47:46 <orudge> Who is actually officially owner/op/whatever of this channel? 22:47:59 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:48:08 <Vornicus> Chanserv says ludde. 22:48:12 <guru3> 18:01 22:48:13 <Vornicus> Who hasn't been in in 3 months. 22:48:15 <Bjarni> orudge: ludde, then I'm next in line 22:48:16 <guru3> searching for the day 22:48:31 <Fujitsu> Damnit. 22:48:49 <guru3> March 6th 22:49:02 <guru3> _luca_ was last seen leaving 18:01 march 6th 22:49:07 * Vornicus eyes. 22:49:15 <guru3> five days, 18 hours 22:49:18 <guru3> or something like that 22:49:55 <guru3> i can't believe i'm 18th most talkative here 22:50:04 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 22:50:07 <Vornicus> from chanserv info #openttd: [Sun 17:47:53] -ChanServ- Contact: ludde, last seen: 14 weeks (2h 3m 44s) ago ... from nickserv info ludde: [Sun 17:48:55] -NickServ- Last Seen: 1 day (6h 0m 4s) ago 22:50:18 <guru3> hahaha 22:50:58 <Bjarni> [23:49] <Bjarni> <jmp_ghli> >Fujitsu> fujitsu tells Bjarni: Isn't it dangerous to use one's entire vocabulary in a single sentence? <--- writing a whole book in one sentence? Yes that's dangerous because when you reach the end, you forgot the first part 22:50:59 <Bjarni> [23:50] <Fujitsu> Damnit. 22:50:59 <Bjarni> :D 22:51:23 * Fujitsu requests an op. to kick Bjarni just to spite him. 22:52:00 *** Fujitsu was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [we need to kill dangerous ideas] 22:52:08 <ThePizzaKing> hehe 22:52:17 <guru3> totalitarian rule! i for one hail our new dicator, Bjarni! 22:52:22 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:52:29 <Fujitsu> Damndamndamndamn 22:52:32 * Fujitsu feels inferior. 22:52:44 <Bjarni> you started it 22:53:05 <Fujitsu> Bye mentioning jmp_ghli!? 22:53:19 <Fujitsu> *By 22:53:30 <guru3> no one talks at 6 am >< 22:53:47 <Kjetil> /kick Fujitsu Thou shall be banished from Bjarnia 22:54:19 <Fujitsu> :( 22:54:26 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd ["Leaving."] 22:54:51 <guru3> ahahahaha 22:54:54 <guru3> or something 22:55:12 <Kjetil> Leave no man behind ! 22:56:17 <Bjarni> actually he started it by not noticing our great bot and then he used the ! command on me 22:56:42 <guru3> the ! command? 22:56:44 <Bjarni> and I would not have done so much to it if he didn't start in other channels 22:56:57 <Bjarni> !insult that_loser 22:56:58 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni tells that_loser: You are living proof that manure can sprout legs and walk! 22:57:06 <guru3> i wouldn't give this channel up for anything x) 22:57:55 <Bjarni> I'm not really sure what happened to him 22:58:04 <Bjarni> but he is Australian after all 22:58:12 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:58:12 <Bjarni> lived all his life upside down 22:58:14 <ThePizzaKing> Wooo Australia :) 22:58:19 <Kjetil> hahaha 22:58:23 * Fujitsu pokes his head around the corner to check if it's safe... 22:58:26 * Fujitsu runs 22:58:27 <guru3> lol 22:58:28 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd ["Leaving."] 22:58:32 <Bjarni> lol 22:58:56 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:58:59 <Kjetil> Bjarni: as supreme commander of Bjarnia you should do something about this crissis 22:59:00 <Fujitsu> Hi TPK. 22:59:04 <Fujitsu> No! 22:59:09 <Fujitsu> Not again :( 22:59:14 <ThePizzaKing> Hi Fujitsu 22:59:19 <Fujitsu> Hi. 22:59:34 <Fujitsu> Bjarni has gone on a slapping and insulting and kicking spree against me. 22:59:41 <Bjarni> Kjetil: not funny!!! 22:59:47 <Fujitsu> !praise Bjarni 22:59:50 <Fujitsu> Damn. 22:59:55 <guru3> hahahaha 22:59:57 <Fujitsu> No appeasing today :( 23:00:08 <Kjetil> Bjarni: sorry, Oh great leader 23:01:46 <Bjarni> guru3: remove ChanServ from the list as well 23:01:47 *** orudge [n=orudge@res05-ocr2.res.st-and.ac.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:01:47 *** orudge [n=orudge@res05-ocr2.res.st-and.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:01:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 23:02:01 <guru3> Bjarni: it'll be gone next update 23:02:23 <Bjarni> guru3: I mean you remove it now so it's ready for the next time it runs 23:02:29 <Bjarni> btw how often is it updated? 23:02:37 <guru3> every 24h, 4am on my servers time 23:02:44 <guru3> which is about 15 minutes off of gmt+1 23:02:46 <guru3> (behind) 23:03:31 <Bjarni> how about making two pages, one for the entire time and one for the last 10 days? 23:03:49 <guru3> i wonder if that's possible 23:03:53 <Bjarni> the short one is the most interesting since it changes a lot more :) 23:03:54 <guru3> ill check the manual 23:09:29 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:11:32 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc2-shep3-4-0-cust174.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:13:02 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.84.38] has joined #openttd 23:18:03 <guru3> i'm sure its possible, ive seen it, i just can't figure it out 23:18:08 <guru3> and it's time for sleep 23:18:11 <guru3> good night ya'll 23:18:16 <guru3> c ya'lls tomorrow 23:18:19 <guru3> or later today 23:21:25 *** Red712 is now known as Red 23:22:21 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2587.bb.online.no] has quit ["edgepro: Sanity is a full time job."] 23:23:57 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bed 23:33:46 *** jnmbk [n=ugur@88.240.17.109] has joined #openttd 23:57:34 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2E67B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd