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00:03:01 <Bjarni> ln-: with the default configuration? 00:03:28 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EA9.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:29 <ln-> Bjarni: i did make clean ; ./configure ; make 00:14:15 *** Markkisen [~me@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 00:18:12 <ln-> Bjarni: btw, what's the resolution of the icon? 00:21:27 *** MarkSlap [~me@81-232-62-139-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:28 *** Markkisen is now known as MarkSlap 00:22:30 <ln-> Bjarni: you know, Leopard supports large icons, 512Ã512. 00:23:20 <ln-> possibly even icons in vector format; not sure. 00:25:33 <glx> Frostregen: yes, they are action5 now 00:26:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-219.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:45 <Frostregen> already figured it out and working again 00:28:47 <Frostregen> but thx :) 00:29:32 <Frostregen> surprisingly it was working again, before i understood why =) 00:32:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is how 95% of the world works 00:33:30 <Frostregen> most time it is the other way round ;) 00:33:52 <Frostregen> it does not work, and you don't know why 00:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, occasionally it does not work, you know why, but you can do nothing against it 00:35:52 <Frostregen> yes...especially if you are forced to use some stupid framework 00:38:45 <Frostregen> *don't think about work* 00:40:33 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: you know, Leopard supports large icons, 512Ã512 <-- hmm.... we better make a new one then 00:40:40 <Bjarni> it's "only" 128x128 00:40:55 <Bjarni> downscaled from 1024x1024 00:41:08 <Bjarni> the question is... where did I put the big image.... 00:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... something is odd... 00:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i moved some files from one disk to another 00:51:29 <Bjarni> and they appeared on the other disk? 00:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> before: 00:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> /dev/hda4 76G 71G 5,0G 94% 00:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> /dev/sdb1 466G 459G 7,3G 99% 00:52:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> after: 00:52:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> /dev/hda4 76G 69G 6,3G 92% 00:52:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> /dev/sdb1 466G 466G 136M 100% 00:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i leave it as an exercise to the reader to check the constraint that after moving, the free space should stay the same) 00:56:19 <ln-> 1) you have files still open, 2) run fsck 01:00:31 <Tefad> unix doesn't unlink files upon removing the file name 01:00:35 <Tefad> unlike windows 01:00:49 <Tefad> so if there was something that had the file open, it will stay allocated until it's released 01:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, the freed space is correct, the newly used space is overcalculated 01:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> (or the original free space was, and now it got recalculated upon "disk full" message) 01:01:28 <Tefad> i say reboot and see if it's still this way ; ) 01:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> i did not move 7GB of data 01:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's a bad idea ;) 01:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> and yes, i know about the open file thingy 01:05:27 <ln-> some time ago i was not able to fit 6GB of data to 7.2GB free space on ext3... 01:05:56 <ln-> then i ran e2fsck on it, and suddenly the free space dropped to about 5.8GB 01:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> afaik this is a FAT drive... 01:09:50 <ln-> how perverted 01:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i had some similar thoughts when i noticed the first time :p 01:11:39 <Frostregen> Users browsing this forum: draketrumpet, Frostregen, Google [Bot] and 3 guests 01:11:50 <Frostregen> Google has its own account? =) 01:12:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... my first thought would be a user with a sick sense of humour :p 01:13:14 <Gonozal_VIII> there seems to be a problem with the openttd.cfg 01:13:32 <Gonozal_VIII> the game removes the first newline 01:13:42 <huma> what revision? 01:13:57 <Gonozal_VIII> but when i change something and save it without that newline i get lots of out of group messages 01:14:05 <Gonozal_VIII> r11430 01:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> night girls... 01:14:51 <Frostregen> night 01:15:19 <Gonozal_VIII> when closing the game i get those messages again and everything in the file gets set to default 01:17:24 <Gonozal_VIII> with the newline there is a single out of group message, the newline gets removed but settings stay 01:19:08 <Gonozal_VIII> the something i changed was newgrfs btw and yes, i did that the right way 01:19:44 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:22:14 <Gonozal_VIII> i think i remember that older versions of the game didn't remove the newline before [misc] 01:22:30 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:04 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77AFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B778B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-8-2.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11443 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] Action 0 <id> is an extended byte 02:45:01 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 02:45:13 <SmatZ> in 47 minutes 02:45:21 <SmatZ> I will have uptime 1234:56 02:45:24 <SmatZ> hh:mm 02:45:34 <SmatZ> have to stay and make screenshot! 02:46:04 <SmatZ> -> 2 51 days, 10:10:24 | Linux 2.6.22-gentoo-r5 Tue Sep 25 18:35:25 2007 02:46:20 <SmatZ> omg 02:46:38 <SmatZ> such useless thing forces me not to sleep today :-/ 02:47:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 02:47:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B838C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:49:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83ED0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:49:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:09:53 <SmatZ> ok, I have set a timer 03:09:54 <SmatZ> bye 03:09:57 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation 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new cooler, or at least clean this one 14:12:13 <hylje> bad is >1 14:12:17 <SmatZ> even not under load it has ~65C 14:12:18 <dihedral> that value is usually between 0.4 and 0.65 14:12:39 <Rubidium> dihedral: for what reason is it usually between 0.4 and 0.65? 14:12:51 <Rubidium> and why does it need to be in that range? 14:12:53 <dihedral> services running and being used 14:13:22 <dihedral> web db backup games svn etc. 14:13:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@84.227.55.255] has joined #openttd 14:13:41 <dihedral> i start worrying if it's not where i expect it to be 14:13:49 <dihedral> because it could mean that something went wrong 14:13:54 <dihedral> same with bw 14:14:03 <dihedral> i expect a daily something 14:14:07 <dihedral> if it aint there i check 14:14:20 <Rubidium> dihedral: do you have ANY idea what those load numbers mean? 14:14:31 <dihedral> yes, i do 14:14:33 <dihedral> thanks Rubidium 14:15:18 <Rubidium> what does it mean? 14:15:37 <dihedral> load av from last 5 10 and 15 mins 14:16:14 <Rubidium> what does the number mean? 14:16:26 <dihedral> is related to the number of procs 14:16:50 <Rubidium> what does 0.65 mean? How is the number calculated? 14:16:57 <hylje> its some magic 14:17:04 <Rubidium> hylje: it's not 14:17:09 <dihedral> Rubidium: i dont care - i watch it over time 14:17:20 <dihedral> if any of the values i watch over time drop 14:17:25 <hylje> means the queued tasks against available processing power 14:17:34 <hylje> 1 is about the max efficiency 14:17:53 <Rubidium> hylje: highly depends on the tasks being performed 14:18:14 <Rubidium> but it's the average number of timeslices a process must wait till it gets another timeslice. 14:19:02 <dihedral> 'slice' of the man page 14:19:04 <dihedral> Load averages are not normalized for the number of CPUs in a system, so a load averâ age of 1 means a single CPU system is loaded all the time while on a 4 CPU system it means it was idle 75% of the time. 14:19:12 <Rubidium> for very I/O heavy applications 10 can still be no problem 14:19:55 <dihedral> and Rubidium i am not the only person using that server 14:20:06 <dihedral> and i am not refering to random gamers there either 14:20:13 <dihedral> or page visitors 14:23:35 <dihedral> Rubidium: according to the man page, that value is also dependant on the number of processors in a system 14:23:43 <dihedral> so if you get a 10 or not is also dependant on that :-) 14:25:35 <dihedral> so in the case of my server a 10 is absolutely impossible 14:26:59 <dihedral> no matter how I/O intensive an application may become 14:29:56 <Rubidium> dihedral: I can easily make my server (or personal computer) give a load of 20 and still have a very useable machine 14:30:28 <Rubidium> I just need to prioritize the CPU cycle eating processes much less than the others 14:31:44 <Rubidium> http://cacti.kernel.org/graph.php?action=zoom&local_graph_id=204&rra_id=0&view_type=tree&graph_start=1195136868&graph_end=1195223268 <- that one has regularly a load way over 100 14:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i often have a load of >4 14:39:17 *** MarkSlap [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 14:44:50 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:23 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:03 <spark_> anybody interested in anime wallpapers ? 14:48:15 <dihedral> no! 14:48:30 <Ammler> I guess, he asked for ban 14:49:00 <Ammler> @ban spark_ 14:49:30 <spark_> why ??? 14:49:33 <dihedral> lol Ammler 14:50:14 <hylje> i'd think a certain imageboard would like 14:50:25 <Ammler> or XeryusTC 14:50:48 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 14:50:51 <XeryusTC> wut? 14:50:54 <dihedral> yes - i was thinking along the same line Ammler 14:50:55 <dihedral> :-P 14:51:22 <hylje> haha 14:51:41 <skidd13> dihedral: Me to 14:51:41 <skidd13> XeryusTC: ^^^^ There is someone offering Anime wallpapers *g* 14:51:48 <XeryusTC> oh 14:51:52 <dihedral> :-P 14:52:07 <Ammler> @kick spark_ 14:52:07 <XeryusTC> spark_: got any Jigoku Shoujo? 14:52:14 <skidd13> LOL 14:52:23 <spark_> XeryusTC: let me see 14:53:02 <skidd13> spark_ ; XeryusTC You can talk P2P. Thanks ;) 14:53:25 <XeryusTC> no :P 14:53:31 <spark_> XeryusTC: only Mahou Shoujo Nanoha 14:53:34 <hylje> ! 14:53:49 <XeryusTC> whaha! 14:53:51 <XeryusTC> i got them :P 14:53:53 <XeryusTC> so, haha! 14:57:55 *** bruce89 [~bruce@85-210-140-201.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 15:00:56 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A569E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 15:08:22 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-024-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:45 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-024-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:57 *** lola22 [~lola22@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has joined #openttd 15:11:43 *** lola22 [~lola22@d033.dhcp212-198-248.noos.fr] has quit [] 15:13:10 <dihedral> Anybody up for some ET this weekend? 15:15:25 <dihedral> dont shout all at once 15:15:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am home, why should i phone there? 15:17:28 <Rubidium> do you think we even have time for that? 15:19:49 <Belugas> Entertainment Tonight? Endurance Testing? Elaborate Torture? Enlightment Therapy? 15:23:27 <dihedral> Belugas: chose your pick 15:23:39 <dihedral> Rubidium: you have time, it's up to you what you do with it :-P 15:24:27 <bruce89> pngcrushing 15:30:05 <titus> ET? 15:30:35 * bruce89 reminds people not to try opening 16MB PNGs in the GIMP 15:30:37 <Belugas> Exquisite Temptation 15:30:58 <dihedral> Enemy Territory 15:31:04 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/ET 15:31:16 <titus> bruce89: -rw-r--r-- 1 titus guru 427349319 2005-10-19 22:30 world.200401.3x21600x21600.C1.png 15:31:25 <Belugas> Eternal Tergiversation 15:31:32 <bruce89> bloody hell 15:34:37 <bruce89> I suppose that's Blue Marble 15:34:43 <titus> yer 15:48:31 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:48:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5396.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:50 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:29 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.107] has joined #openttd 16:06:06 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A57F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:09 <huma> bruce89, 16 mb png? what would it be? 16:18:13 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:51 <dihedral> who kinda took over TB's 'role'? 16:28:43 <bruce89> huma: Germany 16:29:39 <huma> you're lucky it's not canada :) 16:29:42 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5396.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 16:32:57 *** Farden [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 16:33:37 <Belugas> dihedral, what "role" are you referring to? 16:33:54 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:34:08 <Belugas> speaking of Canada, Montreal has received its first florries today 16:34:12 <Belugas> Joy 16:34:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F624.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:17 <dihedral> Belugas: TrueBrain ran our wwottdgd diff by the compilefarm to make our wwottdgd binaries 16:36:32 <Belugas> ho... nobody, it seems. 16:36:48 <dihedral> would it be possible for someone to do that for us again? 16:36:59 <dihedral> not anytime soon 16:37:21 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:32 <dihedral> just so we kinda know who to address etc. 16:43:28 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-147-205.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:46:28 <Belugas> i see... 16:46:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:39 <fjb> Moin 16:46:40 <Belugas> i'll see what to do with the others 16:46:55 <dihedral> thank you Belugas 16:50:17 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 16:50:17 <fjb> !logs 16:58:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:01:11 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 17:06:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:10:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-233-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:10:16 <Wolf01> hello 17:10:26 <|Jeroen|> hi 17:17:39 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-024-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:53 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:59 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-085-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:18 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 17:36:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F624.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:14 *** dihedral is now known as Guest922 17:39:18 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-208-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:51 *** Guest922 [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: have been replaced] 17:41:28 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:42 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:56 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:47:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:48:27 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-085-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:35 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:50:35 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:56 <Belugas> bruce89, can we say that fs1447 can be closed? 17:52:06 <bruce89> probably 17:57:10 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-046-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:09 *** Thraxian [user@rrcs-24-199-209-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:29 <Ammler> Belugas: coolest thing for all (I guess) would be, if we could have our own branch like MiniIN and it would be compiled automatically. 17:58:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F624.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:04 <Ammler> so noone of you need to be around for new builds 17:59:19 <dihedral> ... 17:59:24 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:34 <Ammler> I guess, dihedral is fit enough with SVN 17:59:54 <dihedral> and then we constantly need to merge changes from /trunk with our branch! 18:00:07 <Belugas> yup... bad idea 18:00:09 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:13 <Ammler> hmm, isn't there a autosync? 18:00:19 <Belugas> nope 18:00:31 <dihedral> there is 'external' but that does not work overlapping 18:01:07 <dihedral> i.e. refering to an 'external' repository or another path within the same repository 18:01:15 <dihedral> good example for that is in the noai branch 18:01:22 <dihedral> looking at the 3rdparty folder 18:02:27 <dihedral> need to restart... brb 18:02:42 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-208-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: restarting, i'll be right back :-) damn i hate windows!] 18:08:11 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-084-056-208-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:08:56 <dihedral> whussaaaaaaaap 18:09:13 <Belugas> naaafing 18:09:40 <Thraxian> I was talking to dihedral, and I'm having issues with language selection in the r11394M build 18:09:54 <Thraxian> I can select afrikaans, croatian, or pig latin 18:10:05 <Thraxian> any idea why the other lang files aren't being picked up? 18:10:37 <Belugas> define "picked up" please 18:11:04 <Thraxian> the options screen is not listing the other lang files I have in my lang directory 18:11:04 <Ammler> Thraxian: do you talk about MZ build? 18:11:12 <Thraxian> yes 18:11:22 <Ammler> hmm, I have all languages 18:11:30 <Ammler> did you make the build self? 18:11:33 <Thraxian> if I manually change the .cfg file to use english language, it changes on startup to afrikaans 18:11:44 <Thraxian> yes. I can rebuild it, if you think that would help 18:12:24 <dihedral> :-) 18:12:32 <dihedral> give it a shot just to make sure 18:12:44 <dihedral> and dont forget the svn up -r <whateveritis> 18:12:45 <Ammler> Thraxian: hmm, or tell us how you did it 18:12:51 <dihedral> 11394 i think 18:13:27 <Thraxian> started bottd, selected the patch file (downloaded from dih's link), checked the "force revision to match patch", and hit update and compile 18:13:59 <Ammler> ok, I start my windows to see it... 18:14:02 <Thraxian> settings has my *TT* install path correct 18:14:40 <Thraxian> also, if you log in to the MZ build, and look at San Cristobal East station with pig latin selected, drag the station window around, you will see that the text doesn't clear from the screen properly 18:14:46 <Ammler> you don't need TT install path 18:15:04 <Ammler> I would either suggest to remove it 18:15:06 <Thraxian> plus, you can't see the cargo quantity, because the rest of the text is too long (and it is right-aligned) 18:15:46 <Ammler> the path is only needed for copying the original grfs, but you have them in your general ottd home 18:16:30 <Thraxian> and after compile, I copied the data directory and the new .exe into my existing ttd program directory 18:16:35 <Thraxian> I didn't copy the lang files - should I have? 18:16:47 <glx> of course 18:16:50 <Thraxian> doh 18:16:50 <glx> you need them 18:18:02 <Thraxian> well, that was a simple fix 18:18:17 <Thraxian> I assumed that since I already had the language files in my program directory, I didn't need to copy the new ones 18:18:19 <Thraxian> I assumed wrong :) 18:18:49 <dihedral> ;-) 18:19:11 <Thraxian> any idea why those 3 languages worked, even though they weren't copied over either? 18:19:22 <Thraxian> (afrikaans, croatian, pig latin) 18:20:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:22:06 <Ammler> Thraxian: if you use bottd right, you don't need to copy anything 18:22:20 <Ammler> it makes everything for you 18:22:48 <Ammler> the tool is pretty cool and nearly like using linux 18:24:12 *** dihedral is now known as dihedral|away 18:25:25 <Thraxian> the build goes into a directory based on the patch name, "16" (possibly due to 16bit graphics?), and the build time 18:26:41 <Thraxian> and the mz server uses newgrfs which aren't referenced in the build, so *something* would have to be copied to get that to work, right? 18:27:05 <Ammler> nope 18:27:15 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B5F31.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:19 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:23 <Ammler> you have a folder called openttd in your "My Documents" 18:27:46 <Ammler> and there is a folder called data with the original grfs and the ottdc grfpack 18:28:15 <Ammler> you can use those grfs for all your nightly builds 18:29:14 <Ammler> Its somehow split between build and userdata 18:29:40 <Thraxian> nice. I like that 18:29:56 <Ammler> you like it even more, if you have 10 different builds 18:30:43 <Thraxian> I don't right now, but I do have 11369, 0.5.3, and now 11394M going at the same time 18:31:02 <Thraxian> having a common directory for grfs does make things much easier to maintain 18:31:09 <glx> 0.5.3 doesn't use this dir 18:31:10 <Ammler> hmm, it doesn't work for 0.5.3 18:31:15 <Ammler> :) 18:32:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B5F31.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:46 *** Markkisen [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has joined #openttd 18:33:47 <BigBB> I've made a guide for MSVC2008, who is interesst: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 18:36:34 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@015-014-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:04 *** MarkSlap [~me@1-1-1-19b.o.sth.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:04 *** Markkisen is now known as MarkSlap 18:37:42 <Ammler> Belugas: is that all free available?= 18:37:52 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:21 <Ammler> nice 18:40:58 <huma> gee, there's 2008 already 18:41:29 *** Entane [~Entane@206.84-48-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:43:17 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-046-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:16 <Wolf01> i said "omg" and my bot replied "i'm here, idiot".. how cute :D 18:46:06 <Thraxian> I was reading a development magazine the other day, and an article says that the code required Visual Basic 9.0. And here I am doing my work in version 6.0. Made me feel really old. 18:48:25 <Belugas> [13:39] <Ammler> Belugas: is that all free available?= <--- not following... sorry 18:48:58 <Thraxian> Visual Studio Express editions are free downloads. 18:49:39 <Thraxian> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/future/default.aspx 18:49:54 <Thraxian> I think it's still in Beta2 though, isn't it? 18:50:02 <BigBB> 2008, yes 18:50:40 <BigBB> but it works fine 18:50:50 <huma> BigBB, thanks, i'm sure it'll be helpful 18:54:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:54 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@015-014-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:57 *** dihedral|away is now known as dihedral_ 19:00:19 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 19:06:00 *** Zuu [~Leif@c-153c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:07:09 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A57F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 19:08:22 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 19:09:13 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N811P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:09:54 *** Thraxian [user@rrcs-24-199-209-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 19:13:19 <Gonozal_VIII> the autoroad tool sprite replaces a sprite that is used in helidepot, commuter, international and intercontinental airport... r11440, all newgrf disabled 19:16:20 <Ammler> confirmed: http://img7.myimg.de/autoroad2c72e.png 19:19:00 <Ammler> its the circle for the landing place for helicopters 19:36:15 <Belugas> cool 19:44:22 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:14 *** dihedral is now known as dihedral|away 19:50:27 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-178-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:33 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:53:22 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 19:56:22 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:10:57 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:12:27 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:07 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:18:18 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 20:18:54 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:25:59 <Sacro> rawr 20:28:05 * hylje runs away in fear 20:28:21 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:06 <Sacro> http://producten.hema.nl/ <- holy carp that site is awesome 20:31:05 <fjb> No, it's just blue. 20:31:13 <Sacro> fjb: dare you to touch the blue cup 20:33:29 <fjb> Which cup? Blue background with a white square. 20:34:52 <Sacro> the jip and janneka beaker 20:35:17 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-147-205.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:33 <Bjarni> wow 20:35:45 <Bjarni> Sacro found a Dutch site and didn't ask me to translate it o_O 20:36:02 <Bjarni> Sacro: are you ill? 20:36:09 <Sacro> Bjarni: no 20:36:15 <Sacro> but that site doesn't need translation 20:36:19 <Bjarni> are you on some sort of medication? 20:36:34 <Sacro> well yes 20:36:38 <Sacro> but thats beside the point 20:37:17 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@workstation.freenull.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:34 <Bjarni> I can't help wondering.... how much work would it be if they have to replace the front page with new stuff 20:37:41 <Bjarni> they can't sell the same stuff over and over 20:37:47 <Bjarni> eventually they will run out 20:41:47 <fjb> They do sell something? 20:43:27 <Bjarni> yeah 20:43:31 <Bjarni> it's Hema 20:43:54 <Bjarni> hmm 20:44:12 <Bjarni> maybe it's a page copied from a real shop 20:44:20 <Bjarni> they do have a shop named something like this 20:45:57 <Bjarni> well... it has a login system, a shopping basket and stuff 20:46:02 <Bjarni> and real products 20:46:05 <Bjarni> like: http://www.hema.nl/nl-NL/winkel/FotoPrint/Geheugenkaarten/product.aspx?ProductId=38420000&Name=geheugenkaart+sd 20:46:10 <fjb> What is Hema? 20:46:24 <Bjarni> a shop 20:46:34 <fjb> I don't see a shop. 20:46:52 <Bjarni> you would if you could read the text 20:47:53 <fjb> Hm, they must be making big money. They pay Adobe to preselect their customers. 20:49:09 <Bjarni> it's an odd collection of merchandise though 20:49:32 <Bjarni> computer stuff, cloth (male and female), bags, watches, wine, photo stuff.... 20:49:45 <Bjarni> cakes 20:50:34 <fjb> They put a flash intro in front of the shop. So you don't see the shop when you don't have the flash version that they are expecting. Plain stupid. 20:50:43 <Bjarni> try to compare http://www.openttd.org/screens.php?image=images/screens/r10000/r10000 with http://www.hema.nl/nl-NL/winkel/Gebak/Taart%20op%20Maat/product.aspx?ProductId=6333610&Name=taart+op+maat+chocoladeschaafsel 20:51:17 <Bjarni> fjb: why http://www.hema.nl instead... less demanding ;) 20:51:34 <Bjarni> Sacro's link is a joke and not the real front page 20:52:09 <fjb> Hm, that is not much less stupid... 20:52:09 <Sacro> Bjarni: but it is ace 20:53:42 <Bjarni> they sell swimsuits and tents too 20:53:54 <Bjarni> not to mention baby bottles and stuff like that 20:54:40 <Bjarni> lamps, chairs, beds, candles 20:54:53 <Bjarni> I have never seen so much in just one online store before 20:54:57 *** dihedral|away is now known as dihedral_ 20:55:28 *** dihedral_ is now known as dihedral 20:55:39 <Bjarni> insurance too o_O 20:55:50 <fjb> But the shop is really stupid: http://www.myimg.de/?img=hemastupid575a5.png 20:57:10 <Bjarni> LOL 20:57:28 <Bjarni> needless to say it looks a whole lot more sane here 20:57:35 <Bjarni> try firefox instead 20:57:57 <Bjarni> and report broken konqueror support :P 20:57:58 <fjb> Yes, it is made fore a special browser, not complient to any standard. 20:58:12 <svip> :D 20:58:15 <Bjarni> it works in firefox (at least here) 20:58:33 <svip> Konqueror uses KHTML also known as webkit. 20:58:38 <svip> The same think Safari runs on. 20:59:00 * Bjarni starts up safari 20:59:23 <Bjarni> works just fine 20:59:31 <svip> Well... 20:59:38 <fjb> The w3c vaidator says that is not valid html. .-) 20:59:41 <Bjarni> and wow... first time I started safari 3 and it's way faster than safari 2 21:00:03 <svip> The reason why it is both called KHTML and Webkit, is because Safari have their own developed version of Webkit. 21:00:09 <Bjarni> fjb: you don't use a valid smiley either so I guess that's appropriate :P 21:01:06 <Bjarni> 2 paar sportsokken real cool cotton⢠<-- that for â¬4.95.... I have no idea if that's a good price or not 21:01:11 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B5F31.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:44 <bruce89> WebKit is a fork of KHTML by Apple 21:01:57 <bruce89> it is very nice, and fast too 21:02:14 <Bjarni> haha, it will cost me â¬15 to get it sent to me... 3 times the price of the product itself :D 21:02:25 <fjb> Bjarni: The site god me half blinded... 21:03:30 <Gonozal_VIII> cool cotton? 21:03:43 <Bjarni> wtf... you can also buy glasses here 21:03:49 <Bjarni> who would buy glasses online? 21:03:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B5F31.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B5F31.versanet.de] has left #openttd [] 21:04:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B5F31.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:04:37 <fjb> Bjarni: Blind people? :-) 21:05:09 <Gonozal_VIII> that doesn't make sense on so many levels. 21:05:30 <Bjarni> not only are they designed for my eye placement, they are also in the wrong strength 21:05:37 <Bjarni> and same strength for both eyes 21:05:46 <Bjarni> those appears to be crap glasses 21:06:53 <bruce89> although KHTML is probably going down the tubes 21:07:11 <Bjarni> http://www.hema.nl/nl-NL/winkel/Feest/Cadeautjes/product.aspx?ProductId=15153362&Name=menselijk+lichaam <-- is there no limit to what those guys will sell? 21:07:58 <Bjarni> http://www.hema.nl/nl-NL/winkel/Feest/Chocoladeletters.aspx <-- LOL.... letters made out of chocolate 21:08:21 <Bjarni> "I'm going to eat you", "no", "ok, then I will just eat your name" 21:08:58 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: now you are named Gonoal_VIII... I got hungry :P 21:09:17 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 21:09:43 <Gonozal_VIII> edible letters are nothing new, there is that russian bread stuff too 21:10:24 <Bjarni> children costumes 21:10:35 <Bjarni> now nothing will surprise me anymore 21:10:48 <Bjarni> it's the shop with everything except the stuff you need 21:12:11 <LeviathNL> they even sell funeral insurances 21:13:54 * Bjarni wonders if he can insurance a pack of cigars against fire 21:14:13 <Bjarni> looks like they sell everything else 21:16:22 <Bjarni> ok... something a bit more serious 21:16:48 * Bjarni goes back to wonder why the nightly build server had a warning for the PPC OSX build and not the x86 OSX build 21:17:00 <Bjarni> same code but only one of them made a warning 21:23:06 <fjb> Bjarni: An endian problem? 21:23:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:54 <Bjarni> doesn't look like it 21:24:23 <Bjarni> src/os/macosx/macos.mm:171: warning: 'NSString' may not respond to '-getCString:maxLength:encoding:' 21:26:55 *** Zuu [~Leif@c-153c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:36 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:37:37 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:10 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 21:41:38 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:36 <fjb> I'm having a textile factory and the truck stop next to it doesn't accept anything. 21:48:42 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p57A2D611.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:58 <Gonozal_VIII> is the factory new? 21:49:07 <Gonozal_VIII> can take some days 21:49:50 <glx> at least 4 days 21:50:22 <fjb> No, was created at the start of the game and is the last industry with a very low production level. 21:50:56 <LeviathNL> grfcodec 0.9.10 (linux) does not give any output at all :( 21:51:40 <fjb> No tile of the factory accepts anything. 21:51:51 <Ammler> LeviathNL: you should take the nightly build 21:51:57 <Bjarni> fjb: maybe the station needs to catch a specific tile of the factory. Try to build a new one and move around to see if the demand is only present at some tiles 21:52:21 <fjb> LeviathNL: get grfcodec from subversion. The precompiled is badly broken. 21:52:38 <Gonozal_VIII> other factories of same type work? 21:52:45 <LeviathNL> hmm ok, compiled version is same version as compiled though 21:53:02 <fjb> Bjarni: I used the ? and looked at every tile of the factory. None accepts anything. 21:53:10 <Ammler> I have 0.9.10 r1721, which has you? 21:53:23 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: It is the last one that didn't close. 21:53:33 <Bjarni> fjb: err... should the factory accept anything. Try to normally click it 21:53:46 <Bjarni> for all we know this could be a bug in the grf file 21:53:52 <LeviathNL> 0.9.10, on the site it says : 21:53:52 <LeviathNL> Changes in 0.9.10 (r819): 21:54:13 <Ammler> LeviathNL: run grfcodec without arguments 21:54:34 <fjb> The informtion window tells me that it needs wool, fibre crops and dyes. 21:54:49 <LeviathNL> I did no output also none in console, I'll compile from subversion now 21:54:55 <Ammler> but well, you have a old one 21:55:02 <LeviathNL> ( I was wrong compiled version is way older as svn) 21:55:11 <Bjarni> try to place a train station (don't build it, just highlight a location) that covers ALL the tiles of the factory at the same time 21:55:18 <fjb> Bjarni: Maybe it is a bug in the grf. 21:55:31 <Bjarni> could be 21:55:35 <fjb> That station covers all tiles... 21:55:38 <Bjarni> as I said a moment ago 21:55:43 <Ammler> fjb: you have newest nightly? 21:56:06 <fjb> It's r11430. 21:56:09 <Ammler> because there was some fixes about a week ago 21:56:22 <Gonozal_VIII> ecs textile factory works for me with 11440 21:56:34 <Gonozal_VIII> did also work before.. 21:56:43 <Bjarni> fjb: check if other factories on the same map works 21:57:06 <fjb> Ok, I have to earn some money and then build one. 21:57:11 <Gonozal_VIII> how's your grflist? 21:57:25 <Ammler> fjb: ctrl+alt+c 21:57:37 <fjb> ECS grfs are loaded according to their id. 21:58:32 <LeviathNL> wow parser errors all over when compiling 21:58:48 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/newgrf.htm <-- like that? 22:00:45 <Gonozal_VIII> ordered by id should be right... 22:02:58 <fjb> Yes, like that. I cheated and build a new one, that also doesn't accept anything even after a few weeks. 22:03:48 <glx> is it fully finished? 22:03:52 <fjb> Maybe there is a bug in the grf. 22:03:55 <Gonozal_VIII> do you have the latest version of all ecs grfs? 22:03:59 <fjb> Yes, it looks finished. 22:04:21 <fjb> Yes, latest versions from Geoges site. 22:04:53 <Gonozal_VIII> funny... works perfectly fine here 22:05:42 <Gonozal_VIII> with and without all the other grfs 22:07:03 <Gonozal_VIII> can't reproduce that 22:07:41 <fjb> Hm, don't know then. I can live without it in this game. I will test it with a new game. 22:07:52 <fjb> http://www.myimg.de/?img=WorldWideCargo29thSep33e4f.png 22:08:16 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm yes... could be something broken in the game 22:10:27 <fjb> I just generated a new game and it is working there. Strange. 22:10:38 <fjb> I broke that save. :-( 22:11:05 <fjb> Maybe I did something stupid, but don't know what. 22:12:54 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe the version change of the ecs grf broke that save... 22:12:55 <fjb> But I think I found a real bug in the game. Do you remember that I had 65536 BR 62 in the locomotive update window? I could reproduce it. 22:13:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11445 /trunk/projects/ (generate openttd_vs80.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj.in): -Codechange: reorder <configuration> in openttd_vs80.vcproj, so there are less diff when it is modified by MSVC 22:13:15 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: I didn't rthink of that. Maybe. 22:15:28 <fjb> The strange number of locomotives happens when I buy an ai company that got bankrupt. Than their locomotives do not show up in the autoupgrade window. If I do an upgrade by hand of that locomotive the window shows me 65535 locomotives of that kind. 22:16:12 <fjb> But the number in the save is correct. If I save the game and load the save, the number of that locomotives is 0. 22:16:38 <Gonozal_VIII> i also had that strange numbers once but without any ai, loading fixed it and i couldn't reproduce it 22:18:14 <Gonozal_VIII> but i know that i didn't play with ai 22:19:38 <Gonozal_VIII> but that could be unrelated, maybe the problem that caused mine was fixed long ago, happened to me somewhere around r7k 22:25:15 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: SERVEPRO] 22:25:40 <ln-> is star wars ok? 22:26:34 <Gonozal_VIII> you haven't seen star wars? 22:28:29 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p57A2BD74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:38 <LeviathNL> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl :P 22:29:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FE0B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:30:58 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: sure i have 22:31:17 <ln-> but i mean, is it ok to justify two youtube links 22:31:24 <ln-> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0b28v87F8kg http://youtube.com/watch?v=0d9nZEkJA1c 22:31:25 <ln-> too late 22:31:34 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes, youtube links 22:31:54 <ln-> not the average crap 22:32:06 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't you complain about youtube not working or something like that? 22:32:49 <ln-> i don't remember complaining anything such within the past year 22:35:35 <Gonozal_VIII> [22:35:30] Bjarni: Flash (YouTube, etc.) broken under Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) 22:36:02 <Bjarni> luckily I didn't switch away from Tiger 22:36:04 <Gonozal_VIII> and you wrote something about using leopard... 22:36:15 <glx> BigBB: can you remake a vc2008 diff ? 22:36:28 <Bjarni> I don't have leopard and as it is now I will not have it either 22:36:37 <Bjarni> Apple needs to fix it first 22:36:55 <Gonozal_VIII> seems to be simmilar to vista 22:37:09 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't work too well either 22:37:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E553.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:37 <BigBB> glx, you mean a diff of the project files after VS9 converted them? 22:37:42 <glx> yes 22:37:43 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 22:37:43 <fjb> !logs 22:37:49 <Bjarni> but Leopard has the potential to be fixed with an update in a not too distant future as the core of the OS rocks 22:38:00 <glx> it should be smaller now BigBB :) 22:38:11 <bruce89> Bjarni: Saying as it is BSD 22:38:23 <BigBB> okay, mom 22:39:01 <Bjarni> also if you look at the issues you will notice that none of them are core issues 22:39:12 * fjb hates network problems... 22:39:25 <Bjarni> like safari 3 is unstable with 3rd party plugins and such issues 22:39:43 <Bjarni> annoying and it hurts production, but once those issues are gone, then I think it will be a nice OS 22:39:46 <glx> then slap 3rd party devs ;) 22:39:52 <Bjarni> that too :P 22:41:17 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp5DkqAxvAI <-- how did they manage to make that one without crashing??? 22:41:28 <Sacro> *COUGHS* 22:41:51 <Sacro> is vc2008 out yet? 22:42:05 <glx> in beta2 22:44:06 <BigBB> glx, you have a PM :) 22:44:14 <glx> ok 22:45:36 <BigBB> Sacro, I use vc2008 (since today ^^), in the wiki is a guide 22:45:46 <Sacro> i have 5 for unio 22:45:47 <Sacro> *uni 22:45:49 <Sacro> but might try 8 22:45:58 <Bjarni> err.... wtf 22:46:08 <Bjarni> some train just blasted the horn for like 10 sec (or more) 22:46:29 <Prof_Frink> Was it followed by a "squelch" sound? 22:46:39 <Bjarni> I can't tell 22:46:45 <Bjarni> but it haven't arrived here yet 22:47:53 <Bjarni> interesting... according to the railroad all the trains are cancelled due to signal issues 22:48:04 <Bjarni> so it was a ghosttrain blasting the horn? 22:48:21 <Prof_Frink> Ok, that horn meant "signals fucked, COMING THROUGH!" 22:48:32 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:48:38 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:04 <Bjarni> no 22:49:14 <Bjarni> because the broken signals are to the south 22:49:18 <Bjarni> the train is to the north 22:49:43 <Bjarni> still no trains.... either it's heading away from me or it stopped 22:51:24 <Bjarni> actually the horn is not used when passing a broken signal 22:51:36 <Bjarni> the horn is used when passing broken road crossings though 22:51:57 <Bjarni> but they removed the last one like a decade or two ago 22:52:00 <Sacro> hmm 22:52:04 <Sacro> where is Up Pontefract 22:52:27 <Gonozal_VIII> they use it here on a regular basis for unsafe crossings and in front of tunnels 22:53:05 <Gonozal_VIII> don't know why anybody would walk through a rail tunnel... 22:53:09 <Sacro> hmm, platforms 2A and 2B have 4 trains there :\ 22:53:30 <Bjarni> a few years ago somebody got crushed when he walked though our only railroad tunnel 22:53:44 <Gonozal_VIII> drunk? 22:53:47 <Bjarni> odd thing is... the tunnel is below a city and there is a road on top of it 22:53:58 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> drunk? <-- AFAIK no 22:54:14 <Gonozal_VIII> just stupid then 22:54:16 <Bjarni> a really friendly guy, but a bit weird at times 22:54:30 <Bjarni> at least that's what I was told by a guy who knew him 22:55:17 <Bjarni> and for unsafe crossings... they are banned on railroads with a speed limit more than 75 km/h 22:55:20 <Bjarni> it's 120 km/h here 22:55:40 <Bjarni> we do have them on the 75 km/h lines though 22:56:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know how fast they go here but not slow... and lots of crossings without bars 22:57:40 <Bjarni> crossings without barriers aren't considered unsafe 22:57:56 <Gonozal_VIII> then what crossings are? 22:57:56 <Bjarni> unsafe crossings are without anything that activates when the train approaches 22:58:04 <Gonozal_VIII> oh.. 22:58:11 <Gonozal_VIII> ok then we have none of those 22:58:26 <Bjarni> so a crossing with a red light is considered secured 22:58:28 <Gonozal_VIII> red light is there 22:59:16 <Gonozal_VIII> but that's not always very secure.. if the sun comes from the right angle it can be hard to tell if the light is red or not 22:59:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:10 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:46 <Bjarni> yeah, but they are technically defined as secure 23:01:04 <Bjarni> or rather 23:01:18 <Bjarni> "automated secured crossings" 23:02:03 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: What if the thing that activates is a man in a box who wanders over and closes the gates? 23:02:27 <Bjarni> heh. I just searched for a pic of one of the insecure crossings and the first hit... well my first thought was "hey I was present when that picture was taken" 23:02:45 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: then it's not automated ;) 23:03:16 <Gonozal_VIII> until some years ago we had that here 23:03:30 <Bjarni> http://www.jonasen.eu/Ferier/2007/2007-03/2007-03-04-3.JPG <-- not what I was looking for but this looks kind of similar 23:04:13 <Gonozal_VIII> also with a long cable that pulls the bars up from a distance that one guy can operate multiple crossings 23:04:20 <Prof_Frink> "Check light is green. open both gates. check light is green. drive across. check light is green. close both gates." Coldblow LC says something like this. 23:05:09 <Gonozal_VIII> is that in austria? 23:05:46 <Prof_Frink> Kent. 23:06:29 <Gonozal_VIII> those little sound lines are funny^^ 23:07:30 <Gonozal_VIII> haven't seen a sign like that before but it could be somewhere in austria 23:09:28 <Bjarni> http://www.sitecenter.dk/erik-vpedersen/nss-folder/scandiaskinnebusser/TKVJ.%20Fotogr.%20af%20pss.%20Sm1%20v.Birkebak1%208.8.1967%201%208.0.jpg <-- here is one of those I was thinking of 23:09:31 <Bjarni> we still have those 23:10:22 <Bjarni> we don't have the that train anymore though 23:10:27 <Gonozal_VIII> is that some kind of modified bus there?^^ 23:10:31 <Bjarni> no 23:10:36 <Bjarni> well 23:10:45 <Bjarni> maybe you can call it that XD 23:11:27 <Sacro> hehe "5C04 received an adverse change of aspect at signal S751" 23:11:39 <Bjarni> http://veterantoget.dk/materiel/motor/lnjsm13.html <-- this is our train of that model 23:11:44 <Bjarni> it's not operational though :/ 23:12:00 * Sacro almost had 2 trains going towards each other on a one track section 23:12:23 <Bjarni> the wheels are worn out... kind of like how tires on a car gets worn out eventually 23:12:43 <Bjarni> Sacro: simsig? 23:12:48 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 23:12:53 <Sacro> the new sheffield one is brilliant 23:12:57 <Bjarni> it's less fun in real life 23:13:10 <Sacro> oh? 23:13:16 <Sacro> actually 23:13:21 <Sacro> i'd have just got sacked for that trick 23:13:25 <Sacro> and possibly derailed 2 trains 23:13:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F624.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:43 <Bjarni> derailing trains aren't fun either 23:14:31 <Sacro> mehg 23:14:35 <Sacro> HSTs have good brakes 23:15:47 <Bjarni> Sacro: you know.... in Japan like 20 years ago an unauthorised repair to the signals made it impossible for the signal controller to see a train on the track and it was not a regular train so he thought it was a mistake that the signal couldn't turn green and ordered another train to pass the signal at danger into a single tracked line 23:16:31 <Bjarni> another "creative" repair to the signals made the next signal go green even though there was a train behind it and it resulted in both train travelling at high speed when they saw each other 23:16:37 <Bjarni> don't do that 23:16:47 <Bjarni> it killed more than 100 passengers :( 23:17:31 <Bjarni> JR stopped making shortcuts on local lines after that 23:18:25 <Bjarni> kind of scary that it could happen at all 23:18:43 <Sacro> :( 23:19:55 <Bjarni> but it only happened because of two independent unauthorised fixes to the signals and the fact that the guy controlling the signals didn't notice the paper telling him about the extra train that day 23:20:55 <Bjarni> if just one of those 3 errors wasn't present or the timing wasn't so unlucky then this was avoided 23:22:01 <Bjarni> the interesting part is that JR blamed the local line and didn't want to use it anymore but it was JR people, who butchered a signal and made it go green when there was a train behind it 23:22:15 <Bjarni> it was the local line that hid the train on the tracks though 23:22:58 <Bjarni> when you look at accidents they usually have a whole lot of parameters where if just one of them were different then nothing would have happened 23:24:41 <Sacro> yes 23:24:48 <Sacro> if only that other train wasn't there 23:24:58 <Bjarni> that too 23:25:40 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:40 *** Leviath [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:05 <fjb> Why does Michael Blunck always complain about our physical model for trains? 23:29:34 <Bjarni> because we want to improve it aka it's not good enough? 23:29:53 <Bjarni> the first model sucked so we rewrote it into something better 23:30:09 <Bjarni> but certain trains still give way off accelerations 23:30:31 <fjb> Hm, how does the patch do it? 23:30:47 <Bjarni> I don't think the patch does it right either 23:32:26 <fjb> So we need somebody with more physical knowledge? 23:36:01 <Bjarni> our model is based on some formula that real life railroads used to use 23:36:14 <Bjarni> so basically we need to update our model and take it out of the steam era :) 23:37:43 <Bjarni> "Davis formula"... that was the name 23:38:03 <fjb> Hm, why doesn't it work for us? 23:38:24 <Bjarni> http://www.uwm.edu/~horowitz/PropulsionResistance.html <-- you can take a look for yourself if you like 23:39:02 <fjb> I'm not that good in physics... 23:39:58 <Bjarni> either we implemented it wrong or we got it wrong because the formula is old and is based on "what appears to be correct based on experience" like many formulas from the 19th and early 20th century 23:40:17 <Bjarni> but it did work for the railroads so it shouldn't be far off 23:41:06 <fjb> Everything is there, friction, resistance,... hm oesn't look bad. But I don't know much about it. 23:41:15 <Bjarni> somewhere I have a description on how to design a steam locomotive. I mean what piston size to use based on drivers and boiler size and what size the firebox should be based on boiler size and so on 23:41:35 <Bjarni> it's a book real life engineers used to built them 23:41:58 <Bjarni> and it's basically based on experience rather than real science so some of it is lucky guesses 23:42:09 <Bjarni> they had a lot of prototypes that failed horribly 23:42:29 <fjb> But at least some worked. 23:42:54 <fjb> I'm more into programming than building steam engines. :-) 23:43:02 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:43:14 <Bjarni> it was kind of like gold mining... many tried to make something good and lost money on building junk or some average stuff... once in a while somebody made something really good and it was something that could be sold 23:44:30 <Bjarni> like Miller... he made an engine for his own railroad (it had a total length of tracks that was max 50 km). It turned out to be good so other railroads wanted them too, but their repairshop didn't have the capacity to build for other railroads so they sent the blueprints to a big factory in Germany 23:44:50 <fjb> And nowadays we look at the old engines and think they are cute. :-) 23:44:53 <Bjarni> then the factory offered a fortune if they could use parts of the design because it was better than their own 23:45:11 <Bjarni> so he made a fortune 23:45:30 <Bjarni> and wanted to make even better locomotives so he went to America to see their locomotives 23:46:00 <Bjarni> and rich as he was he decided to go with Titanic... that was the end of good locomotives for that line 23:46:21 <Sacro> nwo 23:46:32 <Sacro> can i reverse that train on the main line before that one wants to leave... 23:46:35 * Sacro sets his watch 23:46:54 <Bjarni> you can in real life 23:47:23 <Sacro> heh 23:48:34 <Bjarni> one of the best radio conversations I heard was "[name of train] is late so you can't go to track [number] but I need the track you are in for [name of other train arriving shortly]" 23:48:56 <fjb> Hm, the Titanic, that was also a case where many failures happened. If only one of them didn't happen the wouldn't have sunken. 23:49:01 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 23:49:56 <Bjarni> with some quick switching work we ended up having 3 trains in two tracks and no trains were delayed. The train that was already delayed even caught up with the delay 23:50:01 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Wezz6400] 23:50:10 <Sacro> grrr 23:50:15 <Bjarni> too bad you can't make quick switching work like that in simsig :P 23:50:15 <spark_> hm, why i can't change diesel engines for electric ones ? i mean automatic exchange 23:50:20 <Sacro> keep getting penalties for excessive delays at lcs 23:50:36 <Bjarni> spark_: user error 23:50:39 <Bjarni> you can do it 23:50:50 <spark_> Bjarni: what i need to do ? 23:51:00 <Bjarni> in the autoreplace window you should switch the pulldown menu to electric 23:51:13 <spark_> ah 23:51:14 <Bjarni> and naturally the train needs to be in an electric depot to be replaced 23:51:16 <spark_> thanks 23:51:21 <Sacro> spark_: it was badly written i know 23:51:45 <Sacro> last time we employ that coder again... ;) 23:51:53 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 23:52:07 * Sacro slaps Bjarni with http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/ 23:52:22 <Bjarni> you have a better idea for controlling this? 23:53:38 <Bjarni> btw the autoreplace GUI was the first GUI work I ever made... I didn't really care before I did that one and made other people code GUIs but nobody wanted to code this one 23:53:51 <Bjarni> so I had to learn as I coded it 23:54:13 <Sacro> :o theres a train to beverley :D 23:54:20 <Bjarni> also I had to modify the window engine as it didn't support both scrollbars and stuff... I fixed that at the same time 23:55:06 <Bjarni> I think (specially considering it was the first window ever) that this window turned out ok 23:55:06 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:11 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-38-35.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:09 <fjb> And autoreplace option that only replaces overaged vehicles would be great. 23:56:51 <Bjarni> I like the Olsen Gang where they try to steal an armoured car containing gold... It was supposed to be the last in a train but a passenger car is added behind it and they steal the passenger car as well (with their stolen locomotive) 23:57:28 <Bjarni> when they realise that the car is full of drunken police officers on a picnic then they want to get rid of them right away (naturally) 23:57:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:57:39 <fjb> I remember tha Olsen movie. 23:57:55 <Bjarni> first siding turns out to be Carlsberg so the police ends up in the Carlsberg brewery 23:58:23 <fjb> :-) 23:59:22 <Bjarni> those movies were nothing but jokes and most of them were jokes on actual events in real life 23:59:26 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 23:59:30 <Bjarni> like political cases and such 23:59:42 <Bjarni> too bad most of them are dead by now :( 23:59:56 <Bjarni> I mean the script writers, most of the actors and those people