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00:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is expensive when you call it multiple times per tick, but if you do it only on user input, it should be fine 00:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are similar functions that mark rectangles dirty 00:05:04 <TheJosh> I think this will be fine. Its only called when the number of owners of a company goes from 2 <-> 3 or 3 <-> 4 00:05:13 <TheJosh> very rare I would think 00:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> one suggestion was to have more smaller steps than 25% 00:06:16 <TheJosh> yes 00:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause3> like 10% or so 00:06:32 <TheJosh> I wrote a patch for that as well, but i canned it 00:07:20 <TheJosh> The problem was the GUI was bad, so it would only list 3 companies, but at 5% increments, all 8 companies can own some of the company 00:07:42 <TheJosh> Now it lists them all properly and resizes the window. thats the patch I just made 00:08:00 <TheJosh> are you a dev? 00:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> no 00:11:05 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 00:12:44 *** Munchlax [~Math02003@cpe-76-175-221-148.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:15 <TheJosh> Ok i have made Improved Shares patch 1 http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=36627 00:20:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, and one probably important aspect of shares is that the company has to decide that it actually gives out shares 00:25:06 <TheJosh> all coming later 00:25:19 <TheJosh> but you make a good point. if to give out and how much to give out 00:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> and also important that shares don't cost nothing just because the company has loan 00:26:29 <TheJosh> Its going to use an actual share price at some point 00:26:38 <TheJosh> probably based on assets 00:27:04 <TheJosh> im/were gonna think up something funky to prevent share cheating 00:31:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12367 /trunk/src/network/network_data.cpp: -Fix [FS#1650](r707): commands were sent to clients waiting for map download causing 'executing command from the past' error 00:34:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:34:48 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: bbl] 00:35:55 <TheJosh> Patch now in FlySpray http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1850 00:39:04 <TheJosh> anyway im going now 00:39:07 <TheJosh> cya round all; 00:39:08 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 00:46:42 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 00:55:20 *** Guest1376 [~user@ip-66-203-169-11.ac1.golden.net] has joined #openttd 00:55:29 <Guest1376> is it possible to rotate the map? 00:55:35 <SmatZ> no 00:56:04 <Guest1376> ok, thanks 00:56:08 <Sacro> Guest1376: yes 00:56:14 <Sacro> just times it by i 00:56:20 <Sacro> and it'll rotate by 90 degrees 00:56:27 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.68] has joined #openttd 00:57:14 <Guest1376> Sacro: what does "times" mean? what to I press? 00:58:29 <Sacro> Guest1376: there's nothing in game you can press 00:58:33 <Sacro> it would need coding 00:58:37 <Sacro> and special physics 00:58:45 <Sacro> and possible an imaginaryInt 00:58:46 <SmatZ> and new sprites 00:59:01 <Guest1376> ah, square root of minus 1 00:59:12 <Guest1376> ok, thanks for the explanation 00:59:40 <Sacro> :) 00:59:50 <Sacro> wow, someone who understood my humour 01:00:23 <Gekz> llol 01:00:30 <SmatZ> :-D 01:01:48 *** Guest1376 is now known as roadfish 01:02:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-2-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:06:21 <Sacro> ZOMG 01:06:50 <Sacro> STAR TREK FOR FREE ONLINE 01:07:28 <SmatZ> rilly? 01:07:33 <Sacro> YEAH 01:07:34 <Sacro> :D 01:07:43 <Sacro> http://www.cbs.com/classics/star_trek/video/video.php 01:08:26 <SmatZ> zomg :) 01:10:05 <SmatZ> "This content is .... unavailable" 01:10:12 <SmatZ> I don't understand that one word :-x 01:11:49 <SmatZ> ah 01:11:53 <SmatZ> currently! 01:11:54 <SmatZ> but why 01:14:28 <Sacro> uploading i guess 01:16:51 <roadfish> load me up Scottie 01:20:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D77A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:18 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:23:22 <TheJosh> me back 01:23:47 <TheJosh> me gone again 01:23:51 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 01:24:47 <Patrick`> good to know 01:27:28 *** dih is now known as anhedral 01:30:32 *** isoenroi [~rfrefdsee@138.238.201.7] has joined #openttd 01:31:51 <isoenroi> hi 01:35:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7706D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:39:27 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 01:42:23 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77C9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 01:53:23 *** ben_goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-69-88.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:42 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-88.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:55:09 *** roadfish [~user@ip-66-203-169-11.ac1.golden.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Sacro> and possible an imaginaryInt <- it's called a "Gaussian Plane" 01:56:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: were you actually able to play this? 01:56:38 <Sacro> ? 01:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> the video 01:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was under the impression the american tv stations would block all non-american IPs from downloading their stuff 01:57:56 <Sacro> no 01:57:58 <Sacro> it didn't wor 01:58:01 <Sacro> *work 02:01:01 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl7-177-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... my capital is already level 4 culture while my other cities are just level 2... 02:03:26 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1C4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 02:06:33 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-182-65.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:45 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:31:31 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:34:35 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-108-43-0.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:01:40 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-88.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:10:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D0BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:04 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:24:16 <TheJosh> hello all peoples 03:30:56 <Belugas> hey TheJosh 03:31:06 <Belugas> i saw your patch 03:31:11 <Belugas> looks very goog 03:31:21 <Belugas> only tiny problem i saw 03:31:39 <Belugas> do you have atext editor who can show you tabs and spaces? 03:33:30 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:34:57 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-151-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:36:24 <Belugas> if you do, look at it using that feature 03:36:48 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-144-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:36:51 <Belugas> you'll see that the patch as some rogue tabs, as well as some spaces where there should not be any 03:38:11 <TheJosh> oh i am sorry about the tabs and spaces 03:38:22 <TheJosh> do you want me to use sed to rip them out and then resubmit? 03:41:07 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.177.9] has joined #openttd 03:41:10 <TheJosh> ah yes i found it the fourth to last line of the diff. im very dissapointed with myself :( 03:41:16 <Belugas> heheh just a minor point, really... 03:41:44 <Belugas> as the rest is very top notch 03:42:01 <TheJosh> ill hack gedit to show me spaces and tabs :) 03:42:11 <Belugas> thing is, most patchers tend to not look at their patches before submitting them 03:42:55 <Belugas> for devs, it is a must, since we have this pre-commit hook that rejects work if eveer there is a trailing space 03:43:12 <Belugas> so, let say been picky on it is normal :D 03:43:25 <TheJosh> sorry that I missed that when i did my pre-submit checks 03:43:41 <Belugas> even commit mesages have tobe written in accordance to the rules ;) 03:43:56 <Belugas> no problem, TheJosh. it's normal 03:44:08 <TheJosh> so will that patch get in sometime soon? 03:44:19 <TheJosh> not being pushy of course :P 03:46:50 <Belugas> of course not, you're not pushy at all ;) 03:47:04 <Belugas> i think it has some pretty good chances indeed 03:47:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:11 <TheJosh> cool thanks 03:48:34 <Belugas> np 03:48:47 * Belugas searches for examples of contructors overrides 03:51:09 * TheJosh starts hacking gedit 03:53:04 * SpComb learns bash scripting 03:55:23 *** isoenroi [~rfrefdsee@138.238.201.7] has quit [Quit: .«UPP»Â.] 03:55:56 * Belugas goes to bed 03:56:21 <Belugas> night/day/whatever-suits-you all 03:59:01 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 04:00:01 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 04:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i take the night 04:52:31 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493CFE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 05:08:24 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:08:25 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:58 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 05:31:09 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-128-245.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:12 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-128-245.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 06:02:03 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:06:33 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:07:25 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07:26 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:28:07 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has joined #openttd 07:09:20 <Pinchiukas> what do you think about simutrans? why are there multiple games anyway? 07:28:54 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:45:54 <Sionide> lol 07:46:00 <Sionide> market forces... 07:54:48 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EBC.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 07:56:33 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:57:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-108-43-0.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 08:00:29 *** Osai^work`off is now known as Osai 08:03:46 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:04:46 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:05:43 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 08:06:38 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:08:07 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N853P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 08:10:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:58 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:09 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:16:34 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has joined #openttd 08:17:55 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FA7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:56 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:58 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:28:15 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 08:30:04 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:51 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:37:05 *** anhedral is now known as dih 08:43:26 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B386.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:43:54 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:48:19 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EBC.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:45 <peter1138> TheJosh: there's already a plugin for gedit to show tabs & spaces. 08:56:46 <TheJosh> i was looking for ages for one because I heard about it and i couldnt find it 08:57:10 <peter1138> Makes it a bit slow on my PC though. 08:57:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57F20.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:44 <peter1138> This one is called "Draw Spaces" 08:57:52 <peter1138> I don't know where it came from though. 08:58:01 <peter1138> Sacro, Sacro, Sacro! 08:59:08 <hylje> Sacro! NewDrawSpaces! 09:02:45 *** Kivi [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 09:02:45 *** Kivi is now known as GoneWacko 09:02:51 <peter1138> Vim's draw spaces at end of line is more useful, though. 09:03:58 <TheJosh> Devs, i have a page for you http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Improved_Shares 09:06:18 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 09:07:58 <TheJosh> someone said I should write what changes I plan of actually making, so that page has planned features and a simple roadmap 09:07:59 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:38 <peter1138> Cool 09:12:43 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-43-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 09:13:02 <TheJosh> anyway im off 09:13:05 <Draakon> greedings 09:13:05 <TheJosh> good night all 09:13:08 <TheJosh> hey 09:13:11 <TheJosh> good night 09:13:13 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-79-110.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 09:19:13 *** dih is now known as anhedral 09:24:49 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:33 *** Zr40 [~zr40@82-168-238-114.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:16 *** snappy [naveen@armakuni.lastninja.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:41 <snappy> Hi, is there a way to play openttd in fullscreen? 09:48:59 <snappy> er nevermind -- alt+enter, i cant believe i didnt bother trying that until i joined this channel and asked heh. 09:50:41 <Draakon> happens 09:55:05 <peter1138> If you can't figure something out, ask a question. You're bound to figure it out 3 seconds later :D 10:02:52 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:03 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-103-43-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 10:05:29 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:08:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host147-239-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:09:33 <Wolf01> hello 10:11:01 <peter1138> Hi. 10:15:25 *** Zr40 [~zr40@82-168-238-114.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 10:16:56 *** Zr40 [~zr40@82-168-238-114.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:36:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E60D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:22 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has joined #openttd 10:42:06 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-38-87.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:00:33 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 11:07:28 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:17 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 11:14:28 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B34D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:16:45 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:58 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B386.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:49 *** Zr40 [~zr40@82-168-238-114.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 11:26:26 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 11:45:03 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has joined #openttd 11:46:03 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:47 *** jez [virtua@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:51:50 *** jez is now known as jez9999 11:51:54 <jez9999> I have a question 11:52:19 <jez9999> has anyone written a patch that gives you the ability to set trains' service interval to 20 days, then say 'at any junction, if any turn leads to a service depot within 5 squares and it's been 20 days since your last service, take that junction and go to the service depot' 11:52:20 <jez9999> ? 11:52:51 <jez9999> basically i want to have a load of non-mandatory service depots scattered around, then have not all trains going in there, but doing so when they pass one 20 days after their last service 11:53:22 <Frostregen> the only thing which needs to be changed should be the "do i need to service?" check 11:53:46 <Frostregen> beeing called when entering a junction, instead of every day 11:54:10 <Alberth> couldn't you achieve the same effect by building enough depots along the line? 11:54:11 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 11:54:23 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that's good 11:54:45 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of unneeded checks then 11:54:50 <Frostregen> less checks... 11:54:51 <Prof_Frink> jez9999: The potential problem with that is: it may be only five squares *to* the depot, but how many sqaures is it to get back to the mainline in the right direction? 11:54:55 <Gonozal_VIII> once a day is enough 11:55:23 <Frostregen> ok, depends on train speed 11:55:39 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to place your depots right or just use depot orders 11:55:41 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: Isn't that happening now as well? 11:56:40 <jez9999> prof: well i have service stations off the main track, like this: http://www.game-point.net/misc/depot.png 11:56:48 <jez9999> so getting back on the main track wouldnt be a problem 11:56:53 <jez9999> maybe within 3 squares, i could say 11:56:55 <jez9999> it could be configurable 11:57:36 <Alberth> jez9999: What would happen with trains that never get at that junction? 11:57:52 <jez9999> i'd build enough juntions around the place (i already do) that all trains will pass at least 1 11:57:59 <jez9999> at the moment, they're mandatory 11:58:05 <jez9999> that's slowing things down with a lot of trains on the track 11:58:12 <Gonozal_VIII> that should work with the current system, no need to change 11:58:14 <jez9999> if each train had to go once every 20 days it would improve a lot 11:58:20 <jez9999> how would it work? 11:58:43 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't set service interval to 20... but 30 should be enough 11:59:37 <Gonozal_VIII> with the way you build that there they should automatically choose the next depot 12:00:10 <Frostregen> i would just leave it mandatory, but build it in a way which allows more throughput 12:00:32 <Alberth> could you elaborate on "slowing things down"? Maybe that can be fixed by a different layout 12:00:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, the sidetracks should at least be as long as the trains 12:01:08 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: the trouble with that is, if the next destination available to them is their next station, i want them to go to that even if they're due their next service 12:01:13 <Frostregen> http://saddam.ath.cx/fastmandatory.png 12:01:29 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: currently if they are past 30 days they won't go to the station, they'll turn around somewhere and waste time going to a depot 12:01:42 <jez9999> i want them to simply stop at the next station they get to when they're due their service 12:01:55 <Gonozal_VIII> you could give them service at orders for every depot along the line 12:02:41 <jez9999> Frostregen: well yeah but even with that, EVERY train has to slow down and service 12:02:50 <jez9999> the fact that they're having to service maybe too often slows them down 12:02:52 <Gonozal_VIII> not with service at orders 12:02:58 <Frostregen> you want them to service!? 12:03:05 <jez9999> every 20 days or so 12:03:22 <jez9999> but if i have lots of mandatory service depots, some will no doubt service too often 12:03:26 <jez9999> slowing them down 12:03:41 <Gonozal_VIII> use service at orders, change the signal direction on the straight track 12:03:52 <Gonozal_VIII> then everything should work fine 12:04:18 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: eh? not really, the train will still service every time round 12:04:25 <jez9999> you don't want to have to specify 'service at' at all 12:04:26 <Gonozal_VIII> they will skip the service at order if they don't need it 12:04:28 <jez9999> just 'every 20 days' 12:04:35 <jez9999> oh 12:04:38 <jez9999> hmm didnt know that 12:04:51 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:05:00 <jez9999> ok 12:05:11 <jez9999> so what we need is a patch that kind of automatically puts 'service at' orders in 12:05:20 <jez9999> difficult to write i suppose 12:05:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:05:38 <Gonozal_VIII> don't be so lazy :P 12:05:49 <Frostregen> hmm, first thing would be some better breakdown code ;) 12:06:02 <Frostregen> (which resets on service. not on breakdown) 12:06:11 <jez9999> Frostregen: btw how tough do you think that bridge thing would be with the copy/paste patch? 12:06:32 <Gonozal_VIII> that bridge thing? 12:06:33 <Frostregen> not very hard 12:06:40 <Frostregen> just a fallback routine 12:06:56 <Frostregen> just some work fiddeling out the constraints 12:07:18 <jez9999> yeah 12:07:20 <jez9999> should be good 12:07:39 <jez9999> the bridges on my junctions are all so small anyway that any bridge type could be built for them 12:07:40 <Frostregen> but first comes this signal stuff 12:07:47 <Frostregen> nope 12:07:53 <Frostregen> there is a minimum length too 12:07:58 <jez9999> ah 12:07:58 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways, leave your tracks as they are, change signal direction on the straight track to allow them to pass through and add service at order for every depot they pass by and it should work just fine 12:08:29 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: i know but that's annyoyingly hard work ;-) and requires me to update all trains orders if i add a service depot, very annoying 12:08:44 <jez9999> i have to figure out which trains are going past it, and add it to their orders 12:08:52 <Gonozal_VIII> don't you use shared orders? 12:09:03 <Gonozal_VIII> and/or groups 12:09:06 <jez9999> only for trains on the same route 12:09:52 <Frostregen> so just use mandatory, and live with some trains servicing too often ;) 12:10:02 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 12:10:03 <jez9999> which i do now 12:10:16 <jez9999> just be nice to have the functionality i specified above, it would be perfect 12:10:25 <jez9999> trains servicing at exactly the right time, but most passing straight thru 12:10:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i told you how to get that :P 12:10:51 <jez9999> without having to spacify manually ;-) 12:11:31 <Frostregen> high-throughput mandatory conserves train order, and train distance to each other. You never have a train slowing down another train due to servicing 12:11:37 <Gonozal_VIII> they do it on their own too, only problem there is that they don't check if they can reach their next destination if they service there 12:12:17 <jez9999> Frostregen: yeah but you have a train slowing down itself due to servicing ;-) thanks for the diagram tho, i'll probably save a copy/paste of that 12:12:51 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways, servicing every 20 days seems to be way too much 12:13:06 <jez9999> yeah maybe 30 12:13:13 <jez9999> but the default of 150 is no good, breakdowns too often 12:13:19 <Frostregen> if my thought are correct this does not limit line throughput, just time needed to arrive 12:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Frostregen> but first comes this signal stuff <- wasn't your MiniIN version already capable of copying PBS signals? 12:13:33 <jez9999> time is everything :-) 12:13:34 <Gonozal_VIII> watch the reliability percentage 12:14:04 <Frostregen> throughput! 12:14:06 <Frostregen> :) 12:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> aesthetics! 12:14:29 <jez9999> Frostregen: it doesnt support PBS copying? 12:14:36 <jez9999> i have a copy/paste with PBS signals in it 12:14:38 <jez9999> is pastes ok 12:14:40 <jez9999> *it 12:15:39 <Frostregen> it is a basic problem... 12:15:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:16:15 <Frostregen> signaltype are rebuilt by clicking ctrl+buildsignal 12:16:25 <Frostregen> a fixed number of times 12:16:43 <Frostregen> if you use the new pbs patch, you can change the cycle order 12:16:54 <Frostregen> thus corrupting my approach 12:17:26 <Frostregen> back then there was no functionality to build a given type directly 12:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... you could change that cycle temporarily 12:17:36 <Frostregen> this has been introduced by signal-gui 12:17:53 <Frostregen> so it is no problem now 12:17:55 <Gonozal_VIII> directly is better than cycling 12:17:59 <Frostregen> yep 12:18:10 <Gonozal_VIII> only one command :-) 12:18:12 <Frostregen> i just need to do it ;) 12:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it is probably the better approach ;) 12:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i understand that your patch is older ;) 12:24:55 *** pax`` [~pax@89.1.211.76.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:42 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:32:19 <jez9999> omg, i just paid 1.1million to 'prospect' for a coal mine and... nothing happpened 12:32:38 <jez9999> does it just take 1.1 million if you cant build one? surtely prospecting should be a lot cheaper 12:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is the point of prospecting 12:32:46 <mrfrenzy> not all prospects work out in the end ;) 12:33:03 <jez9999> that's incredibly expensive for prospecting though, building i can understand but prospecting should be like 1/10th of the price 12:33:08 <jez9999> otherwise it's never going to be worth it 12:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> are you kidding? building is the cheapest of all 12:33:29 <pax``> Is there a way to make openttd run in a particular resolution? It's not comfortable to run 800x600 and 1024*768 is too much in height for my widescreen monitor to play in a window 12:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> finding the ressources is the expensive part 12:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> pax``: "resolution = 1680,988" in the .cfg 12:34:31 <Frostregen> pax: just resize the window? 12:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i just maximise the window 12:35:23 <pax``> doh >.< 12:35:38 <pax``> Should've tried the most obvious before asking >.< 12:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is common these days ;) 12:36:53 <pax``> Weird though, I remember trying resizing and that it wouldn't work... Now it has quirks but works... Maximising works great though 12:37:05 <peter1138> Quirks? 12:37:25 <pax``> The screen starts flickering while resizing 12:37:49 <pax``> Nevermind it's not an issue now that I've been introduced to the mighty maximise button >.< 12:39:53 <Frostregen> hm, yapp changes meaning of CmdBuildSingleSignal p1 bit 7 12:40:46 <Frostregen> so there can't be one version of my code for both :( 12:42:19 <pax``> Is there something besides the visual difference of having either 2 railstations one beside the other and one large with 2 railroads in it? 12:42:44 <Frostregen> catchment 12:43:31 <Frostregen> and trains cannot choose the other station 12:45:47 <pax``> Hmm... Choose as in when they try to pathfind? Catchment as in how far the station can transfer goods to/from? 12:46:00 <Frostregen> both yes 12:46:48 <Frostregen> if you order a train to load at a station, it will use any free platform of exactly this station 12:47:05 <Frostregen> it will never use a platform of an adjacent but different station 12:48:01 <Frostregen> this is useful for separating loading bays at farms for example. (one for grain, one for cattle) 12:48:28 <Gonozal_VIII> waypoints :-) 12:48:57 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 12:49:15 <Frostregen> yes, i use waypoints too 12:49:22 <Gonozal_VIII> but waypoints on a diagonal line suck, there should be diagonal waypoints 12:49:30 <Frostregen> but nonetheless it is a possibility ;) 12:49:50 <Frostregen> definitely 12:49:51 <SmatZ> and diagonal stations 12:50:00 <SmatZ> and diagonal roads 12:50:05 <SmatZ> and diagonal tunnels and bridges 12:50:07 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:50:12 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:50:29 <Gonozal_VIII> ye 12:50:29 <Gonozal_VIII> s 12:50:39 <pax``> Just make 3d non-tile based ttd and get it over with =p 12:50:43 <SmatZ> :-P 12:50:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, hexagonal tiles 12:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Gonozal_VIII> but waypoints on a diagonal line suck, there should be diagonal waypoints <-- problem is, you need two waypoints on the same tile 12:51:25 <Gonozal_VIII> you could disallow that... 12:51:29 <Prof_Frink> Or, do away with phyical waypoints altogether 12:51:47 <Prof_Frink> "Go via 125,482" 12:51:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 12:51:53 <SmatZ> like locomotion 12:52:15 <Gonozal_VIII> rather make them like routemarkers 12:52:59 <Gonozal_VIII> that would be best imho, then you could place them on every tile, even on one with signals 12:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> what _i_ need with waypoints is conditional destionations... "go via 'Platform 1' OR 'Platform 3'" 12:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> [whichever is free] 12:54:25 <Gonozal_VIII> that could be done with connected waypoints... 12:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> only if i want to have fixed sets 12:54:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm yes 12:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> i could want to send another train to "'Platform 3' OR 'Platform 4'" 12:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> the number of combinations is exponential 12:55:45 <Prof_Frink> Or, on the coord-system, be able to drag a rectangle as a waypoint - "Go via 125,482:126,473" 12:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> rectangle wouldn't be enough to say "every odd platform" 12:56:48 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, you'd need to be able to use arbitrary shapes 12:57:28 <Gonozal_VIII> 125,482:126,473;130,482 12:57:39 <Gonozal_VIII> with the ; as or :-) 12:57:43 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:15 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 12:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd still prefer a textual representation of the waypoint 12:58:50 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:59:45 <Gonozal_VIII> trackbits would be needed too... 13:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't go there ;) 13:00:12 <Frostregen> [13:53:43] <Prof_Frink> "Go via 125,482" -> or make it an area 13:00:21 <Gonozal_VIII> it's quite different to use the right or the left track 13:00:29 <Prof_Frink> Frostregen: [12:55:44] < Prof_Frink> Or, on the coord-system, be able to drag a rectangle as a waypoint - "Go via 125,482:126,473" 13:01:26 <Frostregen> ah, just read it 13:01:27 <Frostregen> sry 13:04:56 <Sacro> >< why is x-chat widescreening my text 13:05:02 <Sacro> ITS A 16:9 SCREEN DAMNIT 13:05:13 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:14 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:40 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:06:26 *** keyweed_ [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 13:07:55 <pax``> valuables are only transportable between banks? 13:08:11 <Prof_Frink> correct 13:08:31 <pax``> =( There's only one bank on the map right now... 13:08:32 <Gonozal_VIII> and ecs tourist centers 13:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> there is also a minimum distance to discourage transporting back to the same bank 13:11:47 <jez9999> hmm 13:12:01 <jez9999> is there a patch that allows mass-upgrading of railroad trains to monorail trains? 13:12:14 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:12:23 <Frostregen> i don't think so 13:12:24 <jez9999> maybe something like, when you convert track type on a depot, it upgrades all train engines inside to the best possible monorail vehicle? 13:12:35 <jez9999> otherwise it's virtually impossible to convert a large network's track type 13:12:35 <jez9999> :-\ 13:12:58 <Frostregen> it just takes one or two years 13:13:02 <Frostregen> ;) 13:13:17 <mrfrenzy> problem for me is finding a good grf set that has trains for all cargo on all traintypes 13:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> are there even grf sets with monorail? 13:13:54 *** keyweed [~Dennis@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: problem is, the wagons also have to be converted 13:14:57 <Frostregen> since speed changes you have to accomodate for less needed trains anyway 13:15:04 <pax``> Will it make a city grow larger if I only transfer passangers to it, one way? 13:15:10 <jez9999> one or 2 years? 13:15:14 <jez9999> not likely, i have 90 trains 13:15:19 <jez9999> unless you mean 1 or 2 years of real time :-D 13:15:29 <Frostregen> nope, you just need a good system 13:15:33 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489B6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:51 <jez9999> what good system? 13:16:02 <Frostregen> send all trains to depot. then go to all loading stations, one after another. 13:16:08 <Frostregen> click on trainlist 13:16:30 <Gonozal_VIII> keep one train of every shared orders group, send it to a depot, sell it, upgrade depot, buy a new train 13:16:43 <Frostregen> build a maglev/mono train which will replace those, then clone enough and start them 13:17:00 <jez9999> erm... 13:17:05 <jez9999> and how do you get them to run on railtrack 13:17:18 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't 13:17:21 <Frostregen> convert the track first 13:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> the system is very easy... build new depot next to old depot, open both windows 13:17:28 <Gekz> someone 13:17:29 <Frostregen> (after sending to depot) 13:17:30 <Gekz> wake me up 13:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> (build new train, share/copy orders with old train, sell old train)* 13:18:12 <Frostregen> eddi: this approach takes more time, since you need to check all depots 13:18:23 <Frostregen> and replace every single train 13:18:41 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: compare ttdpatch: upgrade depot, sell train, buy train, buy wagons, go 13:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you have a list of all trains 13:18:54 <jez9999> frost: on many loading stations, i have several different train types 13:18:58 <jez9999> this complicates things greatly 13:19:07 <Frostregen> hmm, ok 13:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: i think there was a patch that allowed this 13:19:14 <jez9999> nah, i need to write some patch that autoconverts trains in depots when upgrading track type 13:19:14 <jez9999> sigh 13:19:23 <Gonozal_VIII> prof frink, it's almost the same in open 13:19:41 <Gonozal_VIII> sell train, upgrade depot, buy train, train has old orders 13:19:59 <jez9999> you should always have an equivalent engine and wagon for each type of old engine and wagon, shouldn't you? 13:20:06 <Frostregen> hehe 13:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: only works with only one train inside the depot 13:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: no 13:20:20 <jez9999> when wouldnt you? 13:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> some sets disallow freight transportation with maglev 13:20:32 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why i said keep one of each shared orders group 13:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> only allow passengers/mail/goods/valuables 13:21:07 <jez9999> Eddi|zuHause2: well presumably you could detect that there is no equivalent? 13:21:17 <jez9999> in that case just popup an error saying 'couldnt convert all trains' 13:21:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12368 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use explicit body for loops and conditions and remove -Wno-empty-body from the configure script 13:22:47 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: the problem is more fundamental, see http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1264 13:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would be the same with replacing rail->maglev 13:23:26 <Frostregen> or maybe you would have to specify a replacement for each existing engine/wagon combo, before conversion 13:24:03 <Frostregen> (just those which are currently used ingame) 13:24:25 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5EA86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: link also applies to you 13:24:52 <jez9999> Frostregen: damn newGRF :-) 13:25:01 <jez9999> well i dont use newgrf, so i'd probably just write s patch for the default stuff 13:25:11 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:25:28 <Yorick> hello 13:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: just don't expect this to get into any official build ;) 13:25:44 <jez9999> the buggy current autoreplace is in the official build 13:26:03 *** XeryusTC is now known as X3ryusTC 13:26:05 <Yorick> true 13:26:06 *** X3ryusTC is now known as XeryusTC 13:26:17 <Frostregen> eddi: no, i said "specify a replacement for any used train/wagon combo beforehand" 13:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a bjarnism, that is no comparison ;) 13:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: still, replacing happens one by one 13:27:10 <jez9999> what is a DMU? 13:27:20 <Prof_Frink> diseasel multiple unit 13:27:28 <Frostregen> and? 13:27:38 <jez9999> what does multiple unit mean? 13:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1. replace engine 13:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2. try to apply wagons to engine 13:27:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> 3. fail!! 13:28:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> [4. replace first wagon ...] 13:28:36 <Frostregen> this is the current autoreplace system 13:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, 13:28:59 <Frostregen> not the one which would be needed for semi-auto tracktype conversion 13:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> problem is that you cannot test multiple replacements in a row 13:29:22 <Frostregen> which would have an exact target consist, for every given consist 13:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> and rollback in case it fails 13:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that is not needed 13:29:41 <glx> autoreplace needs yet another full rewrite 13:29:47 <jez9999> hmm, is there, like, 1 function that's currently used for autoreplace? 13:29:56 <jez9999> i'm just thinking that this functionality could just hook into that 13:30:01 <jez9999> then when autoreplace is fixed this will be too 13:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would also be overcomplicated to specify complete consists 13:30:02 <Yorick> grep -r "autoreplace" * ;) 13:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> and still there is no way to replace more than one single vehicle at a time [command wise] 13:30:37 <Maedhros> Yorick: you'd probably want a -i in there, too ;) 13:31:04 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5F01C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:13 <Yorick> noone writes "AutoReplace"... 13:31:27 <glx> autorenew uses autoreplace too 13:31:59 <jez9999> when you convert a depot's railtype, it can check to see if any stopped rail vehicles are there 13:32:06 <jez9999> if they are, it can hook into the autoreplace for each of them 13:32:18 <jez9999> somehow figuring out an equivalent replacement engine and wagon for the new track type :-) 13:32:22 <Maedhros> glx: out of interest, how many rewrites has autoreplace already had? 13:32:31 <glx> 3 IIRC 13:32:35 <Maedhros> heh 13:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: what is needed is a vehicle sandbox, where you can assemble the new train without money-constraints, then test if the consist can be started, then test if the money suffices 13:33:01 <glx> Bjarni's style ;) 13:33:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: not needed, you can just upgrade the depot, and then use the "replace" button in the depot to upgrade the trains 13:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> only disallow all trains that are not of the correct railtype to be started 13:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> [which should already be implemented] 13:35:28 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:48 <jez9999> Eddi|zuHause2: you cant upgrade the depot with trains of a different track type inside? 13:35:57 <jez9999> you get 'train in the way' 13:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: that is a one-liner ;) 13:36:19 <jez9999> "disallow all trains that are not of the correct railtype to be started" 13:36:22 <jez9999> hmm, interesting idea 13:36:29 <Frostregen> hmm 13:36:30 <glx> like you can't upgrade a track with a running train 13:36:49 <jez9999> but depots are fundamentally different 13:36:59 <jez9999> trains 'disappear' inside a depot 13:37:02 <glx> they are tracks internaly 13:37:07 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: restarting...] 13:37:09 <jez9999> yeah, thought they might be :-\ 13:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: afaik rail->electric is allowed with train 13:37:32 <glx> only for depots 13:37:38 <jez9999> no 13:37:45 <jez9999> i've upgraded rail-electric with tracks 13:38:43 <glx> jez9999: and you may have missing catenries 13:38:50 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:39:08 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 13:39:25 <SmatZ> no 13:39:30 <SmatZ> it just works 13:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was disallowed in the beginning, but there were too many complaints 13:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it got allowed 13:39:57 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:45:48 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:46:44 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 13:47:44 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 13:51:05 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:42 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54:51 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 13:56:41 *** Pinchiukas [~lox@62.212.218.187] has quit [Quit: pwnt] 13:57:34 <jez9999> another thing i wanted to ask 13:58:01 <jez9999> has anyone written a patch to filter out companies on the 'view company-coloured stuff' map? 13:58:56 <jez9999> ie. when you go onto the map and view the 'land owners' option, you can select which company's land gets coloured 14:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean similar to filtering industries? 14:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> that should be easy 14:05:09 <jez9999> yep 14:05:24 <jez9999> seemed quite obvious given the industry filtering so i wondered if anyone had written a patch for it 14:05:33 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@195.4.204.176] has joined #openttd 14:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have not seen it 14:06:51 *** jez9999 [virtua@87-194-212-214.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:09:32 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrHwqGfkYs 14:09:52 <Gonozal_VIII> they forgot the fireball 14:10:08 <SmatZ> :-D 14:10:13 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:32 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:11:07 <Gekz> would you rather be a large man with a small penis, or a small man with a large penis? 14:11:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> wrong question 14:11:26 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf?^^ 14:11:41 <Gekz> answer it 14:11:46 <SmatZ> I don't get why he has 2 helmets on his head 14:11:57 <Gekz> >__> 14:12:01 <Gonozal_VIII> because it's xtra dangerous there 14:12:04 <SmatZ> at 01:39 14:12:07 <SmatZ> :-D 14:12:24 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:12:26 *** nzvip [~svip@AToulon-151-1-86-252.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:12:57 *** Link [~dkadaf@d40a66ac.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:13:04 <Link> Hey 14:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> i found the missing Link 14:13:22 <Link> :O 14:13:42 <SmatZ> between "apes" and human? 14:13:51 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't that the zelda guy? 14:13:51 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:14:09 <Link> yes im from zelda 14:14:12 <Link> nvm 14:14:34 * SmatZ doesn't mind 14:14:38 <Link> i actually heard this name before i found it that there was a game called zelda... 14:14:44 <Link> well 14:14:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i never mindeded at all 14:15:05 <Yorick> I think the whole chatting stuff should be redone...e.g. [all] chat and other chat types seperated, colors 14:15:24 <Link> Is there anywhere i can find a manual for rail lights ? :P 14:15:36 <Yorick> transporttycoon.net? 14:15:40 <Gonozal_VIII> when they are green, trains move 14:15:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the wiki? 14:15:43 <Link> it always gets fucked up when i use them.. 14:15:49 <SmatZ> :-D 14:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> use the yapp signals, they are much more natural ;) 14:16:37 <Yorick> how about redrawing the LA window when the rating changes :o 14:16:57 <Maedhros> this is one of the best guides i've seen - http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/ (though it is a bit ttdp-specific at times) 14:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> Yorick: provide a patch ;) 14:17:06 <Link> oh its called signal not rail lights ^^ 14:17:57 * Yorick wants that programmable signals 14:18:47 <Link> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/station/station4.png 14:18:51 <Link> woot ? O.o 14:19:17 <SmatZ> :-P 14:19:50 <Yorick> ") 14:25:05 *** Link [~dkadaf@d40a66ac.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 14:25:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have strange eyes 14:26:28 *** DEFACKTwalker [~DEFACKTwa@i3ED6DB6D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:26:31 <DEFACKTwalker> hi all 14:26:47 <DEFACKTwalker> is anyome here? 14:27:12 <Yorick> no 14:27:23 <DEFACKTwalker> ... 14:27:24 <Yorick> and the 103 others aren't here either 14:27:25 <murr4y> no i haven't seen anyome in a while 14:27:41 *** nzvip [~svip@AToulon-151-1-86-252.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:54 <Yorick> 102* 14:28:41 <DEFACKTwalker> okay, cYa 14:28:51 *** DEFACKTwalker [~DEFACKTwa@i3ED6DB6D.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:28:53 <BrDead> ... 14:29:06 <Yorick> :D 14:32:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is ever so funny ;) 14:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> "hi, is this the maths channel, where you can ask about maths?" 14:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> "no, this is a CS-Clan channel called 'maths'" 14:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> "ok, bye" 14:35:44 <BrDead> I just can't understand why there are so many ircnets for open source communities, isn't just one enough? 14:36:20 <BrDead> I knew freenode already, I heard about OFTC first time when I joined here :) 14:36:33 <BrDead> and probably there are many others too 14:37:38 <SmatZ> BrDead: maybe #oftc is a good place where to ask 14:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> this "isn't just one enough" comes up ever so often all over the place 14:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> openttd vs. ttdpatch 14:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> gnome vs. kde 14:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> oftc vs. freenode 14:38:39 <Yorick> freenode vs. devnode 14:38:44 <hylje> vim is superior 14:38:46 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i was getting to that ;) 14:39:00 <SmatZ> yay notepad! 14:39:23 <BrDead> SmatZ: maybe, I was just wondering... :) 14:39:44 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:44 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 14:39:58 <BrDead> I'm not a linux geek but maybe that's the reason why I can't find that so reasonable :) 14:40:46 <SmatZ> BrDead: it has a good side - IRC servers limit the number of channels you can join... 14:40:57 <SmatZ> when you are at more networks, you can join more channels :) 14:41:08 <Yorick> they do?! 14:41:30 <SmatZ> Yorick: yes, at least quakenet had limit ~25 channels 14:41:41 <SmatZ> I don't remember, but I know I reached it... 14:41:53 <SmatZ> though you can connect under multiple nicks :) 14:42:41 <Yorick> they block that for my IP 14:42:45 <BrDead> SmatZ: yeah, but I think that if you have a need to join more than 25 channels you might have some other problems too than that :D 14:43:32 <BrDead> meaning that in that point getting a life would be a better solution :) 14:43:44 <SmatZ> BrDead: well... probably it is this way for historical reasons (that I don't know :-) 14:44:11 <BrDead> SmatZ: in most cases that's the way 14:44:29 *** nzvip [~svip@AToulon-151-1-182-154.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:44:34 <Yorick> what happenes if I do p->Recv_uint8(); while there isn't anything to Recv anymore? 14:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> <SmatZ> though you can connect under multiple nicks :) <- except if you use t-online ;) 14:44:42 <Yorick> or wanadoo 14:45:36 <SmatZ> Yorick: probably it will wait 14:46:12 <Yorick> hmm 14:46:25 <Yorick> is there any way to check if there is anything to recv then? 14:47:35 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.38] has joined #openttd 14:47:44 <SmatZ> most likely there is 14:52:04 <SmatZ> NetworkReceive() uses select() 14:52:08 <SmatZ> with zero timeout 14:52:39 <SmatZ> to check if there is any packet waiting 14:58:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:04:31 <Yorick> I just broke something 15:04:53 <Gonozal_VIII> use a cast 15:05:13 <Yorick> I broke everything that has to do with PACKET_CLIENT_SET_NAME 15:05:31 <Yorick> and I'm not sure about the cause yet 15:05:43 <Yorick> the client list just fails with a spritecache error 15:05:48 <Gonozal_VIII> cast 15:05:51 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 15:06:36 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what you use if something is broken 15:06:41 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:58 <Yorick> it fails to transmit the first char 15:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, just cast everything to void* and you never have type errors anymore ;) 15:07:44 <Yorick> it swapped the name and the language somehow, I think 15:07:54 <Yorick> how much can a packet actually contain? 15:08:04 *** Washu [DB@jamesh.serverhouse.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:08:20 <Yorick> a char[80] and uint8? 15:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> truebrain is the network expert, i believe 15:08:37 <Yorick> and not here 15:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> @seen truebrain 15:08:50 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: truebrain was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> night :) 15:09:13 <Yorick> now try /whois TrueBrain on the other hand 15:10:13 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 15:11:39 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 15:13:31 <Alberth> Yorick: I think it can; it depends on the MTU, which is for my eth0 1500 15:14:18 <Alberth> Yorick: although I don't know whether that number includes or excludes checksums etc 15:14:28 <Yorick> so it could be not-possible? 15:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> MTU should have nothing to do with it... larger high-level packets are just split into several low-level packets 15:16:38 <Alberth> Wikipedia says it is without, ie you have MTU bytes available for use 15:16:55 <Alberth> Eddi: Not if you are using UDP 15:17:33 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:51 <Yorick> using TCP 15:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> you deserve a giant slap for this unqualified statement 15:18:09 * Yorick slaps Alberth's bottom and grins cheekily 15:18:37 *** Washu [DB@jamesh.serverhouse.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:18:44 <Alberth> Auts! 15:20:05 <Alberth> Well, you started over packet sizes... :P 15:20:48 <Yorick> because it fails 15:20:56 <Alberth> s/over/talking about/ 15:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Der Wolf, das Lamm ... HURZ 15:22:57 <Yorick> :o wait-wrong order of recv-ing 15:23:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:56 <Alberth> So the network is byte order-preserving :) 15:24:51 <Yorick> true 15:26:12 <glx> and it is endian safe too 15:27:03 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 15:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> a friend of mine had huge endian issues when trying to construct a CRC for his packet (on an FPGA) 15:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> he somehow had to reverse the bytes 15:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then he had to reverse the bits in each nibble 15:28:03 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: Huge Endian? Is that like Big Endian, but biggerer? 15:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, bigerererer 15:28:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:29:49 *** anhedral is now known as dih 15:31:09 <Yorick> hello dih 15:31:49 <dih> hell... oh 15:31:54 <dih> ^^ 15:32:12 <Yorick> :( 15:33:08 * dih pats yorick on the head 15:33:10 <dih> there there 15:33:16 <dih> it'll all be over soon 15:33:58 <Yorick> I don't know what to think of that :o 15:34:36 <dih> LOL 15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Wenn frÃŒh am Morgen die Werkssirene dröhnt 15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # und die Stechuhr beim Stechen lustvoll stöhnt. 15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # In der Montagehaale die Neonsonne strahlt, 15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # und der Gabelstaplerfahrer mit der Stapelgabel prahlt. 15:35:24 <Yorick> | And English only 15:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Ja dann wird wieder in die HÀnde gespuckt, 15:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> # wir steigern das Bruttosozialprodukt 15:36:13 <dih> ^^ 15:37:50 *** LordAzamath [~LAlord]@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:38:21 <Yorick> if (ci->client_name != client_name) { <-- this check at DEF_SERVER_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_CLIENT_SET_NAME) somehow fails 15:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/aa/al/ 15:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> comparing strings by addresses? 15:38:57 <SmatZ> :) 15:38:57 <LordAzamath> hellllo 15:39:08 <SmatZ> hi LordAzamath 15:39:18 <Yorick> hello 15:39:23 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.2luo.com/watch?v=9xJlQX4GtEM hehe funny translation 15:41:12 <Yorick> would strcmp work therE? 15:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> str<something>cmp 15:41:54 <Yorick> <something>? 15:42:03 <Tefad> r? 15:42:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are a million different versions... 15:43:25 <Yorick> doesn't strcmp just work? 15:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: sounds like a google translation or something ;) 15:43:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 15:43:56 <Gonozal_VIII> there are even words left untranslated^^ 15:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it's surely one of the greatest songs ever ;) 15:46:59 *** Yorick [~yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: have to go] 15:48:26 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:55:39 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:49 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:57:29 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:50 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:00:27 <UnderBuilder> I tried to enter maarten's server and I get connection lost in joining 16:03:00 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:05:06 <Rubidium> sounds like a sucky connection somewhere 16:05:21 <UnderBuilder> mine is 256k down 16:05:44 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:01 <Rubidium> sucky being lots of dropped packets and such 16:07:42 * Gonozal_VIII drops a packet at rubidiums head 16:08:41 *** Gonozal [~Gonozal_V@N859P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:08:41 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest1455 16:08:41 *** Gonozal is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:09:07 <Gonozal_VIII> dropping packets is bad for the connection... 16:09:21 <glx> lol 16:10:28 <Gonozal_VIII> woa, sp season 12 16:10:56 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/1201/Tonsil-Trouble.html 16:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> oooold 16:12:32 *** LordAzamath [~LAlord]@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 16:14:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:15:43 *** Guest1455 [~Gonozal_V@N853P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:16 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:04 *** Devedse [~Devedse@kbl-gs745.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:04 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@82-169-117-23.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:34 <Devedse> HEY 16:21:35 <Devedse> all 16:21:43 <Devedse> can someone help me with setting up a server 16:21:58 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:21 <Devedse> some1 here? 16:22:23 <Devedse> :) 16:23:46 * SpComb yawns 16:23:50 <Devedse> hey 16:24:01 <Devedse> can u help me with setting up a server 16:24:07 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:24:29 <Devedse> can someone help me a litle setting up a server 16:24:51 <SmatZ> Devedse: don't ask to ask, ask 16:24:52 <SmatZ> :) 16:25:01 <Devedse> huh wot O_O 16:25:03 <SmatZ> somebody could know 16:25:08 <SmatZ> just ask your question 16:25:11 <Devedse> k :) 16:25:23 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:58 <Devedse> i want to run a server with the cfg file: c:/ded.cfg and that automatically loads the saved file: c:/ttdsave/online.sav. de server should nevah reset or something and only be private for me and my friend 16:26:26 <yorick> oh 16:26:31 <Devedse> so it has to be protected with the password (lets say): hello 16:27:48 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-236-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:03 <Devedse> ah man i post it on the form 16:29:07 <Devedse> forum 16:29:09 <Devedse> no one is here ;( 16:29:11 *** Devedse [~Devedse@kbl-gs745.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:29:58 <yorick> no, you don't ask anything 16:29:59 <SpComb> patience is undervalued 16:30:46 <Purno> yo yorick 16:30:55 <yorick> hello Purno 16:31:27 <Purno> are you able / willing to host a 24/7 openttd server in future? 16:31:40 <yorick> willing: yes, able: no 16:31:43 <Purno> ok 16:32:21 <yorick> why do you ask? 16:32:32 <Purno> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=36639 16:32:54 <Rubidium> yorick: reading with (packet)->Recv_* when there is nothing left in the packet will terminate the connection 16:33:30 <yorick> :o 16:35:00 <yorick> how to check? 16:35:39 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:35:39 <Rubidium> well, if you don't know the data that is in the packet there's something wrong with the protocol (imo) 16:36:11 <yorick> I want to check if clients are patched or not 16:36:20 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-236-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:36:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> bad idea 16:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> patch all clients or none 16:36:57 <yorick> thats not always possible 16:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes it is, just include the patch in the official build ;) 16:37:56 <yorick> thats not always possible 16:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is for patches that make sense ;) 16:38:39 <yorick> now some don't 16:39:26 <yorick> like distributing grf's, makes sense, but not included 16:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> gnah... i just tried to write [ESC]:wq in kate :p 16:39:56 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-187-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, there are reasons for not doing it 16:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> they have been brought up multiple times 16:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> just look up the discussions 16:41:22 <yorick> I know the reasons 16:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> main opposing reasons are typically varying license issues, and outdated grf versions 16:41:54 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 16:42:13 <kaan> hello all 16:42:20 <yorick> hello 16:43:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm76.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:43:27 <yorick> Purno: will the NS-set be finished anytime soon? 16:45:28 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@82-169-117-23.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:02 <Gonozal_VIII> national socialistic set? 17:00:55 <yorick> no, "Nederlandse Spoorwegen 17:00:56 <yorick> " 17:02:16 <pax``> Is it best to connect the longest possible routes? That is, rather than delivering resources from close mines go across the map to find one far away? 17:02:37 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 17:02:38 <yorick> depends on cargo payment factors 17:02:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you get more money per tonne that way 17:03:06 <mrfrenzy> the one way trip shouldn't take more than approx 140 days 17:03:16 <mrfrenzy> depending on what cargo 17:03:22 <mrfrenzy> for some cargoes its as low as 90 days 17:04:06 *** dih is now known as anhedral 17:04:24 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FA7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:43 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FA7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:01 <pax``> I usually get the rating of the station drop very low and the AI players block resources tapping to my station if I don't have trains coming in frequently... Any way to prevent that? 17:05:23 <yorick> add more trains 17:05:47 <yorick> if crash, learn how to make signals 17:06:31 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be enough trains that there's always one loading 17:08:08 <pax``> I'll try that, thanks 17:08:40 *** Journy [~Journier@c-67-175-85-253.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:43 <Journy> hello 17:09:07 <Slowpoke> hello 17:10:41 <Journy> does anyone have any reccomendations for train sets? 17:10:55 * Journy is bored with the stock sets... 17:11:00 <yorick> try US 17:11:11 <yorick> UK? Dutch? Canadian? 17:11:24 <peter1138> CanSet! :D 17:11:54 <Gonozal_VIII> serbian is cool 17:12:02 <Journy> i have tried the north american renewal set, and the mag lev trains at the end arent capable of running anything but goods? 17:12:17 <Gonozal_VIII> most sets have that 17:12:23 <Journy> oh.. 17:12:26 <Journy> why is that? 17:12:58 <yorick> because wagon ID's are used for nice wagons 17:13:09 <Gonozal_VIII> transporting coal at 500 km/h is not very (sorry for the bad word) realistic 17:13:28 <De_Ghosty> it is the future!! 17:13:33 <Journy> indeed, the future... 17:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> nah... i don't think that will happen in the future 17:13:50 <glx> and imagine how the coal "react" in corners 17:14:15 <Journy> so umm all sets are like that? 17:14:15 <De_Ghosty> why are we transporting coal in the future? 17:14:24 <Gonozal_VIII> it just doesn't make sense to transport cheap mass goods very fast 17:14:32 <Journy> because coal will still be a very cheap energy source in the future 17:14:43 <Journy> 2050 isnt that far in the future anyways... 17:14:45 <De_Ghosty> coal is not really that cheap anymore 17:14:54 <Journy> blame china. 17:15:03 <yorick> [18:13] <Gonozal_VIII> transporting coal at 500 km/h is not very (sorry for the bad word) realistic, transporting pax at 500km/h, however, is! 17:15:18 <Slowpoke> coal is cheaper that some years back 17:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> pax care about speed, coal doesn't 17:15:51 <Journy> of course coal cares. 17:16:07 <mrfrenzy> yorick: there already are working trains that go 500 km/h 17:16:22 <Journy> isnt the speed record 580? 17:16:23 <mrfrenzy> It's not unrealistic at all that they will be common in 2020 17:16:30 <mrfrenzy> 574 or smth 17:16:49 <Journy> oddly enough China has a few maglevs... 17:17:36 <Journy> ok so, how hard is it for me to add in a coal car for maglevs? 17:17:43 <Gonozal_VIII> there could also be vacuum maglev networks with 5000 km/h or simmilar stuff but i don't think something like that will be used for freight 17:18:01 <Journy> nah only intercontinental transport im sure. 17:18:34 <Gonozal_VIII> global network :-) 17:18:43 <Gonozal_VIII> could replace planes 17:18:46 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:50 <Journy> indeed 17:18:53 <yorick> well...we have a kinda european network 17:19:02 <mrfrenzy> I would like to see in the future different multiplayer games interconnected like continents 17:19:13 <Journy> europe is small. 17:19:14 <yorick> with transfer and take goods 17:19:27 <Gonozal_VIII> that won't happen 17:20:03 <Journy> erm... so whats the best train sets? 17:20:17 <Journy> is the US renewal set pretty decent? 17:20:19 <Gonozal_VIII> you already got a lot of answers 17:20:31 <Journy> true 17:20:33 <Sacro> how do i compile openttd for windows on linux 17:20:47 <Purno> <<yorick>> Purno: will the NS-set be finished anytime soon? <-- it will be finished anytime, yes 17:20:50 <Sacro> ./configure --build=i486-mingw32 works 17:20:55 <Sacro> but make fails when using strgen 17:21:17 <Journy> ok how about another question, how different are the nightly builds from the most recent release? 17:21:30 <glx> Sacro: use --host maybe 17:21:30 <De_Ghosty> 2007 - France - TGV - 574.8 km/h 17:21:35 <De_Ghosty> u don't even need the future 17:21:41 <Journy> heh 17:21:54 <Sacro> glx: i tried that and it failed too 17:21:58 <Sacro> but i did a make clean 17:22:04 <Sacro> then tried again, and it seems happier :D 17:22:54 <Sacro> eugh, need fontconfig 17:23:11 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:23 <Sacro> installing mingw32-freetype now 17:23:50 <glx> disable fontconfig (not needed for win32) 17:23:55 <Sacro> glx: pfft 17:23:59 <Sacro> i've built it now 17:24:14 * yorick goes on with his ficl patch 17:24:15 <glx> freetype != fontconfig anyway 17:24:20 <Sacro> glx: :( 17:24:27 <Sacro> well it disposed of the wrnings 17:24:35 <Sacro> now SDL fails 17:24:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 17:24:54 <yorick> yes, I've named it "FICL", "Flags In Client List" 17:24:56 <glx> not needed for windows 17:24:56 <Journy> hmmm 17:25:13 <Sacro> i don't think it installed mingw32-libpng 17:26:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:27:19 <yorick> but I need some help with http://paste.openttd.org/1057 17:27:22 <Journy> guys also, with the US renewal set some of my trains travel by rail slower than the states maximum speed they have, one of my trains says maximum speed 110 mph, but max's out at 60 mph, is there a reason for this? 17:27:43 <Gonozal_VIII> wagons 17:28:01 <yorick> wagon speed limits 17:28:06 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:26 <Journy> argh 17:28:43 <yorick> disable them using the patches if you don't like it 17:29:15 <Journy> im really new to this game, is there a place to find all these patches? 17:29:19 <yorick> yes 17:29:56 <yorick> 3rd button from the right on main-toolbar, keep-pressed and select Configure Patches 17:31:30 <Journy> is this a standard patch though? 17:31:35 <yorick> yes 17:31:53 <yorick> Vehicles->Enable wagon speed limits 17:32:15 <Journy> ahh thank you. 17:34:03 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@195.4.204.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:26 <yorick> but is there anyone that can help mé? 17:37:27 <Sacro> how do i disable sdl? 17:37:36 <yorick> -v anyother 17:37:43 <yorick> -h to list them 17:37:50 <Sacro> no, when compiling 17:38:22 <yorick> --disable-sdl? 17:39:31 <peter1138> Not much use without it... 17:39:36 <yorick> Gonozal_VIII: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36622 17:40:38 <Sacro> right 17:41:06 <Sacro> Unknown Option --disable-sdl 17:41:14 <Sacro> hmm 17:41:19 <Sacro> tis using /usr/include/SDL 17:41:22 <Sacro> which isn't right 17:41:54 <Sacro> should be using /usr/i486-ming32/include 17:42:14 <yorick> modify configure? 17:42:36 <Gonozal_VIII> what about that yorick? 17:43:04 <yorick> they suggest that chrissicom should go working with you on maintaining a patchpack 17:44:33 <yorick> hmm...can uint8's be negative? 17:44:41 <Gonozal_VIII> u 17:44:54 <yorick> ok, they can't 17:45:09 <yorick> uint6 doesn't exist, does it? 17:45:27 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't make sense 17:45:43 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, it could.. 17:45:47 <Sacro> oh god now what 17:45:50 <yorick> 0-36? 17:46:04 <Sacro> i think it's lacking g++ :( 17:46:11 <yorick> :o 17:46:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you could combine 6 booleans^^ 17:46:36 <Sacro> or maybe ln 17:46:41 <Sacro> its)]+0x183d): undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)' 17:46:41 <Sacro> yapf/yapf_ship.o:yapf_ship.cpp:(.text$_ZN16CYapfFollowShipTI16CYapfShip_TypesTI10CYapfShip313CFollowTrackTIL13TransportType2ELb0EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfShipNodeTI20CYapfNodeKeyTrackDirELi16ELi20EEEE15ChooseShipTrackEP7Vehiclej13DiagDirection9TrackBits[CYapfFollowShipT<CYapfShip_TypesT<CYapfShip3, CFollowTrackT<(TransportType)2, false>, CNodeList_HashTableT<CYapfShipNodeT<CYapfNodeKeyTrackDir>, 16, 20> > >::ChooseShipTrack(Vehicle*, u 17:46:48 <Sacro> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 17:46:48 <yorick> or I could combine uint4 with 2 bools? 17:46:50 <Sacro> *ls 17:47:13 <yorick> but that way, I would look crazy 17:47:34 <Gonozal_VIII> you mean even crazier? 17:47:52 <peter1138> uint4? heh 17:48:57 <Sacro> argh god 17:49:16 <Gonozal_VIII> int4 :-) -8 to 7 :-) 17:49:53 <yorick> :O 17:49:54 <peter1138> Quite. 17:50:03 <peter1138> Used in some of the NFO spec... 17:50:10 <Journy> hmmm 17:51:21 * yorick help! 17:51:55 <yorick> if (strcmp (ci->client_name, client_name) == 0) { is always true :( 17:52:03 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/1057 17:53:12 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fccb0.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 17:56:53 <Gonozal_VIII> why not ! instead of that == 0 stuff? 17:58:05 <ln> Gonozal_VIII: bad style 17:58:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:58:25 <Gonozal_VIII> really? hmm 17:58:45 <ln> in someone's opinion at least 17:58:46 <Sacro> grrr, can't build 17:59:11 <Gonozal_VIII> what about if(somebool == true) 17:59:18 <ln> ben the builder -- can we fix it! 18:00:38 <Sacro> how do i stop it finding SDL >M 18:00:39 <Sacro> >< 18:00:59 <Purno> how can I resetvehicles in openttd? 18:01:12 <Gonozal_VIII> engines 18:01:22 <Purno> resetengines, ok, how can I do it? 18:01:46 <yorick> console 18:02:01 <Purno> how can I open the console? 18:02:04 <Gonozal_VIII> thingy above tab 18:02:08 <Purno> nvm, got it 18:02:12 <Purno> key wasn't really responding 18:02:27 <Sacro> right 18:02:47 <Gonozal_VIII> bad key 18:02:50 *** k4 [~k4@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:02:54 <Sacro> i can get the ./configure --build=i486-mingw32 --enable-sdl=/usr/i486-mingw32-bin/sdl-config 18:02:57 <Sacro> but make fails 18:02:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:03 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes, another ee 18:03:18 *** k4 is now known as LordAzamath 18:03:23 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 18:03:32 <yorick> oh noes 18:03:34 <Sacro> yapf/yapf_ship.o:yapf_ship.cpp:(.text$_ZN16CYapfFollowShipTI16CYapfShip_TypesTI10CYapfShip313CFollowTrackTIL13TransportType2ELb0EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfShipNodeTI20CYapfNodeKeyTrackDirELi16ELi20EEEE15ChooseShipTrackEP7Vehiclej13DiagDirection9TrackBits[CYapfFollowShipT<CYapfShip_TypesT<CYapfShip3, CFollowTrackT<(TransportType)2, false>, CNodeList_HashTableT<CYapfShipNodeT<CYapfNodeKeyTrackDir>, 16, 20> > >::ChooseShipTrack(Vehicle*, u 18:03:36 <Gonozal_VIII> i was worried there 18:03:46 <Gonozal_VIII> invasion and stuff 18:03:58 <Sacro> it doesn't like `operator delete[](void*) 18:04:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:04:24 <Purno> hmm... 18:04:39 <Purno> I did reset engines, but I still can't build e-rails, while I should 18:04:44 <Purno> (openttd 0.5.3) 18:04:50 <yorick> try to restart 18:04:54 <yorick> 0.5.3 :o 18:05:04 <LordAzamath> Purno: 0,5,3???? 18:05:09 <Gonozal_VIII> sure that there are electric engines available? 18:05:11 <yorick> aaah 18:05:12 <LordAzamath> , -> . 18:05:13 <Gonozal_VIII> year and climate? 18:05:19 <Purno> it's the only one which got pixel doubling, AFAIK 18:05:26 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: You dislike .ee? 18:05:32 <Purno> yes, the NS set got an EMU in 1924, current year is 1930 18:05:55 <Purno> it's a scenario, but apparantly GRF info is stored in the scenario 18:05:56 <Gonozal_VIII> i dislike invasions :P 18:06:11 <Purno> meaning I gotta enable the GRFs after the game has started, right? 18:06:52 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes that doesn't work right 18:07:06 <Gonozal_VIII> but for vehicles it usually did for me 18:07:07 <Purno> so how do I enable these GRFs in this scneario? 18:07:12 <Sacro> WHY WON'T IT BUILD >M 18:07:13 <Sacro> >< 18:08:36 * LordAzamath invades.. not 18:08:39 *** LordAzamath [~k4@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 18:09:26 <Journy> hmmm 18:09:50 <Journy> ok im trying to complile Gonozal_patch_r12180 18:09:54 <Journy> compile 18:11:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm76.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 18:11:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:02 <Journy> BuildOTTD is so simple its confusing? why isnt it compiling the build and putting it in My OTTD builds? Does this work with vista... hmmm 18:13:25 <Gonozal_VIII> nah, not vista 18:15:00 <Prof_Frink> What's so hard about ./configure && make anyways? 18:15:21 <Journy> as in not vista's fault? or it doesnt work with vista? 18:17:00 <Gonozal_VIII> everything is vistas fault 18:17:33 <Journy> lol almost sounds like bush's fault. 18:21:33 *** LordAzamath [~LAlord]@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:22:54 <Journy> ugh 18:23:10 <LordAzamath> .ee attacks 18:31:39 *** LordAzamath [~LAlord]@ip52.cab21.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 18:45:07 <peter1138> Well! 18:45:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A473D5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:45:35 <peter1138> That was quite nice. 18:47:04 *** Journy [~Journier@c-67-175-85-253.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:31 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 18:51:03 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-176-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:11 *** josch [~josch@p57AD7C55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:45 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-188-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:12 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 18:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> <De_Ghosty> why are we transporting coal in the future? <- because oil runs out in 20-50 years, but coal runs out in 100-200 years 19:00:31 *** josch [~josch@p57AD572D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Journy> of course coal cares. <- you can convert coal into oil, they did that a lot in the 1940s 19:01:44 <Slowpoke> they will do it again when oil ran out... 19:02:01 <Slowpoke> no plane will fly with a coal engine 19:02:39 <Slowpoke> unless.... 19:02:49 <Slowpoke> brb inventing 19:03:21 <Gonozal_VIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_Steam_Carriage 19:07:41 <Slowpoke> "It was, in practice, incapable of flight since it had insufficient power from its heavy steam engine to fly." 19:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... funny... civ4 doesn't repaint the window if it does not have focus (although it is only partially covered) 19:08:01 <yorick> where does * in front of a C variable stand for? 19:08:02 <Gonozal_VIII> read further down 19:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> now the music OSDs stack up ;) 19:08:16 <Gonozal_VIII> the 1848 thingy flew 19:08:26 <Slowpoke> a few meters in a hangar 19:08:37 <Gonozal_VIII> until it hit the wall 19:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> Slowpoke: the first airplanes had similar problems 19:09:12 <Slowpoke> yeah sure I know 19:09:58 <Gonozal_VIII> it gradually rose until it reached the farther end of the room, striking a hole in the canvas placed to stop it. 19:10:10 <Slowpoke> I just wanted to pount out that coal is not the best fuel to power a plane 19:10:37 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody said it was 19:11:13 <Slowpoke> and I didn't say somebody did ;) 19:15:47 <stillunknown> yorick: It's a pointer. 19:16:01 <stillunknown> (away now) 19:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> technically, the * after the type ;) 19:22:19 <Sacro> http://www.spermfortickets.com/ 19:24:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12369 /trunk/src/ (settings.cpp train.h train_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r1681): reset train speed limits when _patches.realistic_acceleration changes 19:25:46 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41656.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:25:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:26:21 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 19:26:50 <ln> Bjar-ni! 19:27:14 <Sacro> Bjarni: Welsh mountain rescue team make art discovery in snowdonia. 19:27:17 <Sacro> They think it's a constable. 19:27:18 <Sacro> err 19:27:21 <Sacro> wrong paste >< 19:27:35 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://www.spermfortickets.com/ 19:27:49 <peter1138> :o 19:28:57 <yorick> Bjarni! 19:28:59 <yorick> away again 19:29:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:25 <Patrick`> peter1138: wider 19:35:07 <peter1138> :O 19:35:22 <peter1138> :( ) 19:37:40 <Bjarni> Sacro: why tell me? 19:38:01 <Bjarni> you want to trick me to give you my sperm or something? 19:38:29 <Tefad> O_o 19:38:38 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, tell him that he doesn't have to use tricks just for that 19:38:58 <Bjarni> actually nomatter what he offers he can never get it 19:40:12 <Bjarni> now imagine what would happen if it's used to create children with my brain and Sacro's ethics 19:40:32 <Bjarni> sounds like a horror movie 19:41:40 <Bjarni> besides 19:41:50 <Bjarni> why would I go to a festival anyway? 19:42:09 <Slowpoke> Ill start spermforchildren.com! 19:42:37 <SmatZ> Slowpoke: sounds sick 19:43:03 <Bjarni> ANNOUNCEMENT: somebody named Slowpoke wants to host a page called spermforchildren.com 19:43:17 <Bjarni> homemade? 19:43:27 <Slowpoke> children or sperm? 19:43:33 <Bjarni> latter 19:43:42 <Bjarni> or both 19:44:12 <Digitalfox_> Why does strgen.exe come with the binary's of OpenTTD 0.6 betas? Needed for what? 19:44:31 <Bjarni> good question 19:44:36 <Slowpoke> I will think about that later 19:44:47 <UnderBuilder> drunk? 19:44:57 <Bjarni> I don't think I added it to the OSX betas 19:45:02 <Gonozal_VIII> just get some candy and park in front of a school 19:45:20 <Digitalfox_> Well with Windows 32bit builds it comes 19:45:59 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: sounds dangerous for whoever is doing that 19:46:00 <Digitalfox_> The other builds i didn't test =0 19:46:13 <Bjarni> bbl 19:48:02 <peter1138> I need less GRFs. 19:48:08 <peter1138> Start up takes way too long, heh... 19:50:06 <glx> too many paths where to search for grfs (including tar files) 19:50:14 <peter1138> No, just too many GRFs. 19:50:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12370 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1853]: Close language drop down when parent window is clicked/closed. 19:52:07 <peter1138> Hmm, 332 currently. 19:52:39 <Digitalfox_> peter1138: You load 332 grf's at start? =0 19:52:55 <Digitalfox_> That's a record ;) 19:53:08 <peter1138> No... 19:53:18 <glx> but openttd opens 332 grfs 19:53:19 <peter1138> I just have 332 available. 19:53:28 <peter1138> It opens each to see what's there. 19:53:51 <glx> check for duplicates, ... 19:54:28 <Digitalfox_> peter1138: And don't you find it a mess when some names aren't enough descriptive? 19:55:02 <peter1138> I hardly ever look 19:55:44 <Digitalfox_> I don't have even half of that, but i find it sometimes hard because of names not really showing what it is :| 19:56:02 <glx> they have a description field 19:56:24 <peter1138> And a path/filename. 19:56:29 <Digitalfox_> Yes but some don't have any extra info ( Old ones or unfinished versions ) 19:56:44 <glx> don't use them then ;) 19:56:52 <Digitalfox_> No newer versions :( 19:57:16 <Digitalfox_> Offcourse i could use grfcodec and add the missing description.. but... 19:58:49 *** kaan [~Klaus@82.192.152.195] has left #openttd [] 20:00:49 <Digitalfox_> One of the reasons I fully support OpenGFX, is that there is any real replacement for a lot of graphics.. Sure there are lot's of vehicles set's, some Houses and industries, bridges, roads, etc... But a lot of sprites just don't have any replacement.. But maybe I'm just bored of original graphics and want new ones.. 20:01:36 *** roobi [~roobi@p5B2AE8C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:46 <Digitalfox_> *there isn't 20:01:52 <roobi> hi all 20:01:57 <Digitalfox_> Hello 20:02:03 <roobi> ive got a terraforming question 20:02:14 <SmatZ> hi 20:02:21 <SmatZ> so, ask youe question 20:02:44 <roobi> has someone a glue how I can lower all land by 1 in the scenario editor? 20:02:54 <ln> a glue? 20:03:00 <SmatZ> :-D 20:03:01 <SmatZ> no 20:03:20 <roobi> sooory clue I mean 20:03:22 <roobi> :-)) 20:03:36 <planetmaker> roobi: Lower one corner and then use the level tool. 20:04:12 <planetmaker> oh... or you just want to subtract one from every height - may it as it is? 20:04:23 <roobi> yes, thats it! 20:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> roobi: not easily 20:04:41 <roobi> I don't want make plain land :) 20:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> but why do you want to do that anyway? 20:05:35 <roobi> yes. the reason is I have a good card for the scenario, but the import-funktion makes the "ground-level" too high 20:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> roobi: the easiest way i imagine is to modify the source to change a command that it does that 20:06:52 <roobi> huu ... I'm sorry, is there somewhere a guide how to do that? 20:07:55 <roobi> Eddi .. ich sehe an Deinem Nick, daà Du deutsch sprichst, richtig? 20:08:28 <Gonozal_VIII> english chan :P 20:08:46 *** roobi [~roobi@p5B2AE8C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://irc.netsplit.de/] 20:08:50 *** roobi [~roobi@p5B2AE8C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:01 <roobi> I know.. should I translate? 20:09:04 <roobi> :-) 20:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> by "card", do you mean a heightmap picture? 20:10:01 <roobi> yes, I mean 20:10:09 <Gonozal_VIII> you could change the colours in gimp 20:10:24 <Gonozal_VIII> or other image editor... 20:10:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, edit the palette (or the greyscale, depending on type of picture) 20:11:05 <roobi> good idea... I'm going to try that 20:11:53 <planetmaker> roobi: I'd open the image and subtract some gray values in a reasonable image manipulation prg 20:12:34 <Tefad> convert to grascale 20:12:41 * planetmaker is slower than Gonozal_VIII :) 20:12:47 <Tefad> adjust contrast brightness gamma 20:12:55 <Gonozal_VIII> not gamma 20:12:56 <Tefad> palettetize. 20:13:08 <Gonozal_VIII> gamma isn't linear 20:13:13 <Tefad> sometimes i use gamma for emphasis. 20:13:37 <Gonozal_VIII> you could end up with different terrain with that 20:13:40 <Tefad> yup 20:13:44 <Tefad> slightly different 20:13:55 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:13:55 <Tefad> it changes the bands depending on how you palettize 20:14:16 <Tefad> i tend to save a palette to use for ttd maps 20:14:20 <planetmaker> subtract the lowest grayscale value and then rescale to 1 byte. 20:14:20 <Tefad> evenly spaced grayscale 20:15:01 <Tefad> sometimes the elevation contours just don't feel right to me 20:15:21 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:53 <Wolf01> 'night 20:15:57 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host147-239-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:18:39 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:02 <roobi> ... I'm still trying... 20:23:42 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 20:31:21 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:43 *** UserErr0r [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12371 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#1823]: do not let window hide behind the main toolbar after resizing the screen 20:35:38 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/1061 <-- it finally works as it should now :) 20:36:53 <roobi> I've got it!! 20:37:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:37:42 <roobi> I made greyscale and putted the brightscale down, so the land becomes flat! 20:45:31 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: quit quit quit quit white quit] 20:48:51 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B34D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:48:51 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B34D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:33 *** pax`` [~pax@89.1.211.76.dynamic.barak-online.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41656.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:00 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:07:13 *** josch [~josch@p57AD572D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:55 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:11:48 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.38] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]] 21:12:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12372 /trunk/src/music/win32_m.cpp: -Fix: win32 music driver fails if path contains non-latin chars 21:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> who invented these damn non-latin characters anyway :p 21:13:13 <Prof_Frink> glx: So I couldn't install it in C:\jgames\openttd\ then? 21:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: no, your comment is not funny... 21:13:54 <roobi> bye 21:13:57 *** roobi [~roobi@p5B2AE8C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://irc.netsplit.de/] 21:20:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12373 /trunk/src/music/win32_m.cpp: -Fix [FS#1849]: win32 music driver fails if path is too long (128 chars is too much for mci it seems), so retry using the short path name (8.3 style) if available 21:27:53 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:30:04 <HMage> ÐŒÑÐŒÑ. вÑеЌ пÑÐžÐ²ÐµÑ 21:31:00 <Gonozal_VIII> what's with the russian stuff? 21:31:21 <HMage> it's semi-accidental 21:31:38 <glx> I still don't understand the first word :) 21:32:13 <Gonozal_VIII> those rs face the wrong direction... 21:32:42 <glx> it's miamia but I don't have it in my dictionnary 21:33:39 <HMage> it's not in the dictionary :) 21:34:03 <Gonozal_VIII> Mia Mia Jewels is a small company specialising in creating beautiful handcrafted glass jewellery 21:34:25 *** BrDead [oRY3vQy0s3@kannu.keskiespoo.fi] has left #openttd [] 21:35:23 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12374 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix (r11892): Don't close a dropmenu when clicking on a dropdown widget 21:36:57 <Purno> waht does one need to run a dedicated server on a webserver? 21:38:08 <peter1138> Shell access. 21:38:21 <peter1138> Oh, and permission. 21:39:26 <peter1138> And another copy of TTD for the data files... probably... 21:44:48 <Purno> that's all? 21:44:52 <Ammlller> Purno: OpenTTD, Autopilot, Webconfigurator, OpenTTDlib and most important some guys to watch it. 21:45:16 <Purno> ok thx 21:45:52 <Ammlller> Purno: there are many NL-guys admin at #openttdcoop, they would like to help you too, I assume ;-) 21:46:18 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:46:20 <Slowpoke> is there some "sandbox"like server around? I mean some where nobody laughts at me when I fail hard and stuff ;) 21:46:30 <Purno> haven't seen them replying in the topic yet. I asked Xeryus but he didn't know anyone who could host a server 21:46:45 <Ammlller> oh, you also need a server? 21:47:20 <Purno> ehm... 21:47:21 <Purno> dunno 21:47:26 <Purno> I need a game hosted 24/7 :P 21:47:32 <Purno> I'm a noob with this kinda stuff 21:47:55 <Ammlller> [22:36] <Purno> waht does one need to run a dedicated server on a webserver? <-- indicates you have already a webserver :-) 21:48:17 <Purno> Eh... yeah, for hosting a site... dunno if that's enough 21:48:34 <Purno> basicly, it doesn't matter where it's hosted, as long as it's hosted :P 21:48:36 <Ammlller> well, if you don't find one, you could have one at my server 21:49:03 <Purno> a 24/7 hosted openttd game? 21:49:51 <Ammlller> I guess, they aren't around yet 21:50:11 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:05 <Purno> I have no clue whatsoever what exactly is required and how it works :P 21:51:42 <Ammlller> well, it require much CPU usage if you really fill the map 21:51:59 <Ammlller> and for sure, when, PBS is there too 21:52:16 <Purno> so it's gonna be a small map? 21:52:32 <Ammlller> max should be 1024² 21:53:07 <Ammlller> on coop, its 512² and about 1000 vehicels 21:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> people should still be able to download the map with their home dsl 21:53:19 <peter1138> 256x512 is a nice size 21:54:15 <Ammlller> if you use something like webconfigurator, its easy to change the size from time to time without ssh 21:54:55 <Purno> ssh? 21:55:15 <Ammlller> and the IRC bridge is also nice to watch the game, without running it self all the time 21:55:59 <Purno> hmm... if we'd get your offer to have one at your server, would that include your help setting the stuff up? 21:57:25 <Ammlller> yeah, but there are also other dutch guys who would like to help, I am sure. 21:57:37 <Ammlller> its really easy... 21:58:01 <Ammlller> Admins from coop have already access to my server 21:58:07 <Purno> dunno what dutch guys to ask 21:58:30 <Ammlller> do you need it now? 21:59:08 <Purno> nah, once the Dutch Trainset is gonna be released 21:59:14 <Purno> will take *at least* a few weeks 22:00:02 <Ammlller> Well, then you have time, setting up a server needs about half an hour. 22:00:44 <Purno> any idea what dutch guys to aks to help? 22:00:51 <Ammlller> XeryusTC: 22:01:00 <Purno> done 22:01:10 <Purno> didn't know anyone who could help 22:01:11 <Purno> he said 22:02:01 <Ammlller> I thought about himself ;-) 22:02:47 <Purno> well, I guess why he didn't say that himself when I asked... 22:02:57 <Ammlller> :-) 22:04:00 <Ammlller> Mike would be another one 22:04:08 <Ammlller> Mark 22:04:10 <glx> I need a MSVC+TortoiseSVN user 22:04:27 <Ammlller> thats XeryusTC too :-) 22:04:42 <Purno> Mike or Mark? (or both, wasn't it a typo?) 22:04:53 <Ammlller> type, yes Mark 22:04:58 <Purno> I'll ask 22:05:35 <Ammlller> he is framiliar with configuration of server 22:05:46 <Ammlller> but new to linux 22:05:57 <Ammlller> do you like to run nightlies? 22:05:58 <Purno> I'll ask him 22:06:11 <Purno> ehm... I don't update my openttd often 22:06:16 <Purno> so it's usually stables and betas 22:07:07 <Ammlller> and an other option is www.myottd.net, when it will be run more stable. :-) 22:08:06 <Sionide> woah 22:08:12 <Sionide> that's a cooool idea! 22:08:16 <Purno> is it free? 22:08:24 <Sionide> if it works how i think it works 22:08:31 <Ammlller> yes, but very buggy, as it states 22:09:13 <Ammlller> and of course, really cool 22:10:08 <Sionide> so that server has a script which runs a dedicated server requested by a user giving it what version to run etc? 22:10:42 <Ammlller> yeah, you could also upload a save and play it there 22:10:57 <Sionide> neat 22:13:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 22:15:45 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B3F4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 22:17:58 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.7] has joined #openttd 22:19:30 <Ammlller> Purno: just ask some days before you need the server, if you still don't have other server or help... 22:19:44 <Purno> will do, checking out myottd.net now 22:20:29 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B34D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:02 <Ammlller> Purno: you should specially check NewGRF support... 22:21:21 <Ammlller> sometimes, it works... 22:21:52 <Purno> I got the server running now... but about newgrfs, it wants me to upload them... 22:22:08 <Purno> that's not something I'd like to do to test an yet unrealeased grf :P 22:22:55 <peter1138> How else is it going to get the GRF? 22:23:38 <Prof_Frink> mount an sshfs share back to your computer? 22:25:52 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B3F4.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:14 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B3F4.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 22:26:31 <Ammlller> Purno: use GRFs which are realeased already 22:26:46 <Ammlller> just to try, if it works 22:27:25 <Purno> finding out how to remove a server now... 22:27:36 <Purno> can't find a link/button to that 22:27:37 <Ammlller> impossible I guess 22:27:41 <Purno> hmm... 22:27:44 <Purno> shame, I just started 3 :o 22:27:49 <Ammlller> but you can stop them 22:27:50 <Purno> since I got some errors and stuff 22:27:53 <Purno> I stopped them 22:28:02 <Ammlller> its very alpha... :P 22:30:45 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.7] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:10 <Purno> got it working 22:38:33 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:40:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57F20.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:43:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12375 /trunk/projects/determineversion.vbs: -Fix [FS#1847]: revision detection failed to detect 64bit TortoiseSVN when ran from a 32bit MSVC on win64 system (Jafinto) 22:44:00 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-38-87.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:44:09 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 22:46:18 *** nzvip [~svip@AToulon-151-1-182-154.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:01 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-130-41.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:47:18 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fccb0.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: Good bye!] 22:50:13 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-128-245.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:18 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:41 *** nzvip [~svip@AToulon-151-1-182-154.w90-4.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:58:18 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B3F4.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 23:02:26 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:19 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-207-35-169.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 23:08:24 *** neli [micha@h8441250184.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 23:10:04 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:15:08 <SpComb> I actually used myottd.net to play a game of OpenTTD with a friend of mine a couple weeks back 23:15:27 <SpComb> some insane fiddling with the configuration was needed (defaults were wrong), but it did work 23:17:06 <Ammller> SpComb: I had many issues with login and sessions at all 23:17:18 <Ammller> almost every request ended with an error 23:17:26 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:42 <Ammller> but somehow saved too 23:17:42 <SpComb> I fixed the one with every redirect giving you an error page 23:17:58 <SpComb> I also changed the error page so it gives the full details including stack trace 23:18:26 <SpComb> login still causes an AssertionError, I don't know how to fix that, but it doesn't actually stop you from logging in 23:20:14 <SpComb> I also tried to move it over to my new server last week, but Pylons is silly and complains about some missing depedancy that doesn't, to the best of my knoewledge, exitst 23:20:23 <SpComb> there's a package that goes under that name but as far as I can tell it works fine 23:20:42 <Ammller> something with NewGRF didn't work 23:20:43 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:20:50 <Ammller> tried to setup a ECS game 23:22:50 <SpComb> hmm... you'd need to get back to me with the full error page 23:23:29 <Ammller> well, is the current version running now? 23:23:32 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499FA7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 23:23:48 <SpComb> there are no seperate dev/test/prod versions, so yes 23:24:11 <Ammller> also the dev preview of mapvewer was nice :-) 23:25:43 <SpComb> that's still online 23:26:40 <SpComb> although heh, it's been running the same savegame for ages, and I guess the network got stuck and the company went bankrupt 23:27:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 23:30:47 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-187-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:37:12 *** Linkdk [~dkadaf@d40a66ac.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:39:59 *** wadawrafafa [~dkadaf@d40a66ac.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 23:45:16 *** Linkdk [~dkadaf@d40a66ac.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:43 <Sacro> michi_cc: i keep getting trains stuck in a terminus station, they won't turn round D: 23:48:01 *** wadawrafafa [~dkadaf@d40a66ac.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-137-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:30 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:55:51 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:56:49 <HMage> ÑÐŒÑÐŒ. вÑеЌ ÑпПкПйМПй МПÑО 23:57:07 <Sionide> ...yup 23:57:18 <Gonozal_VIII> strange russian stuff again... 23:57:30 * HMage <--- strange 23:58:00 <HMage> strange stranger strangled 23:58:03 <HMage> etc 23:58:17 *** NukeBuster|laptop [~opera@212-182-153-94.ip.telfort.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:59:22 <Ammller> good night HMage :-)