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00:16:26  <Char> great
00:16:37  <Char> the flat bed wagon i need for transporting vehicles around
00:16:40  <Char> is not introduced
00:16:47  <Char> until some time later
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08:24:41  <Wolf01> hello
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09:15:00  <Celestar> morning
09:16:46  <Gekz> Hello.
09:17:15  * Celestar hates stupid auto-reply systems.
09:17:25  <Celestar> Dear Mr./Mrs./Miss Victor Fischer
09:17:33  <Celestar> is it so hard to find the correct term
09:17:57  <Gekz> lol
09:18:01  <Gekz> Mr.
09:22:46  <Doorslammer> Miss Victor, now that is classy
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09:25:26  <Celestar> why do people suck that badly? :P
09:27:21  <keyweed_> it has to do with evolution i think.
09:32:35  <Doorslammer> I blame Palin
09:33:34  <keyweed_> yeah. i was just reading about her 'drill, baby, drill' speach at solar power plant.
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09:45:56  <Celestar> she's a tad ... weird ...
09:47:15  <keyweed_> we have special programs in the netherlands to help people like Palin
09:49:40  <Gekz> lol.
09:49:58  <Doorslammer> Sesame Street would be a good one :P
09:53:09  <Doorslammer> What version of Paint Shop Pro are we up to now?
09:53:18  <Rubidium> vista?
09:53:48  <Celestar> what is Paint Shop Pro?
09:55:10  <Gekz> lol
09:55:14  <Gekz> a program.
09:55:23  <Rubidium> another paid gimp clone ;)
09:55:39  <Doorslammer> Hah, paid, not likely for me
09:55:50  <Doorslammer> Just wanted to know what number they got up to
09:56:18  <Doorslammer> Found a three copy of it in a bin, only downside is that it's PSP 5 :S
09:56:26  <Doorslammer> Three = free
09:56:34  <Rubidium> 12
09:56:46  <Rubidium> 5 == April 1998
09:57:12  <Doorslammer> :O
09:57:16  <Doorslammer> Oh dear
09:57:21  <Celestar> I think gimp is quite decent meanwhile tbh
09:57:22  <Doorslammer> No wonder its in a charity bin :P
09:57:38  <Rubidium> Doorslammer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Shop_Pro <- for more info
09:59:02  <Doorslammer> I actually thought it was a FrontPage CD, but I didnt look at the CD inside, doid I? :(
10:00:01  <Doorslammer> Doid has too many o's
10:00:54  <Celestar> heh
10:01:35  <Celestar> the NCAP (the instutute that runs the car crash tests and similar stuff in Europe) has found that the focus should shit from mitigating the consequences of a crash to preventing crashes in the first place.
10:01:55  <Celestar> Maybe we should award them the nobel prize for that conclusion, it's really a breakthrough ..
10:04:22  <petern> heh
10:08:26  <Doorslammer> shit? :P
10:19:36  <Celestar> heh
10:20:00  <Celestar> our "facility management" just send me a bill for my private faxes in Q1 2008: They want me to wire 6 cents
10:20:17  <Celestar> I'm not even sure my banking system allows that little sums
10:23:26  <keyweed_> stop building railroad crossing for cars. no more crashes.
10:28:19  <Celestar> ok.
10:28:31  <Celestar> getting these 6 cents to my employee took 2 minutes
10:28:49  <Celestar> considering I'm a cheap worker for about 30 EUR/hour, 2 minutes are worth pretty much one EUR.
10:29:07  <Celestar> so they've wasted 1 EUR in workforce to obtain 6 cents for a single private fax.
10:29:13  <Celestar> good job :S
10:29:33  <Celestar> (not counting the administrative time taken)
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10:57:52  <Kloopy_> When I moved house last time, my gas supplier wanted me to pay the remaining bill for my gas supply.
10:57:55  <Kloopy_> It was 4p.
10:58:10  <Kloopy_> I didn't pay straight away so they sent a second letter reminding me about the payment required.
10:58:23  <Kloopy_> Those two letters, bits of paper etc would have cost way more than 4p.
10:58:25  <Celestar> heh
10:58:28  <Celestar> bean counters ..
10:58:33  <Kloopy_> Yeah :(
10:58:43  <Kloopy_> Their company would be better off if they just wrote off the 4p.
10:59:01  <Celestar> or one of the bean counters looked into their wallets for 4c
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10:59:46  <Celestar> WTH
11:00:02  <Celestar> our compute center annouced that they think about charging the departments for the backup
11:00:06  <Celestar> on a per-tape basis
11:00:11  <Gekz> LOLWTF
11:00:22  <Celestar> and *apparently* one tape costs 2000 EUR
11:00:27  <Gekz> how can that be justified
11:00:34  <Gekz> 2000 EUR?
11:00:36  <Gekz> cough
11:00:37  <Gekz> bullshit
11:00:39  <Celestar> what kind of tapes are they using?
11:00:39  <Gekz> cough
11:00:48  <Gekz> gold-placed
11:00:50  <Gekz> plated*
11:00:51  <Celestar> the ones I can buy are 2000 EUR .. for a pack of 50.
11:00:53  <Gekz> with nylon straps
11:01:02  <Kloopy_> If the price is for the tape, offer to provide a tape for backup yourselves :)
11:01:17  <Celestar> Kloopy_: I shall
11:01:18  <Gekz> dont backup
11:01:20  <Kloopy_> :)
11:01:21  <Gekz> and when all is lost
11:01:23  <Gekz> blame them
11:01:28  <Celestar> if they really come up with that
11:04:00  <Celestar> hm ..
11:04:20  <Celestar> if it goes on like this, tapes will be no cheaper than HDDs in a year or two
11:04:42  <Gekz> lol.
11:05:09  <Celestar> I tape is around 55 EUR
11:05:15  <Celestar> and has 800GB native capacity
11:05:28  <Celestar> that's around 7ct / GB
11:06:17  <Celestar> SATA disks are around 10 ct /GB
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12:37:45  <Celestar> meh
12:38:30  <SmatZ> youh
12:40:01  <Rubidium> weh
12:40:48  <SmatZ> :-D
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12:57:25  <Belugas> zello boyh
12:58:39  <SmatZ> hello
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14:08:07  <fjb> Hello
14:08:38  <dih> 15:02 < Ammler> dih: show me a common "open" software not using 7z :P
14:08:38  <dih> 15:05 < dih> kernel.org :-D
14:08:38  <dih> 15:05 < dih> HAHA
14:08:38  <dih> 15:05 < dih> Ammler: ^
14:08:38  <dih> 15:06 < dih> you want another one?
14:08:40  <dih> 15:06 < dih> httpd.apache.org
14:08:43  <dih> 15:06 < dih> want another one?
14:08:45  <dih> 15:06 < dih> subversion.tigris.org
14:08:48  <dih> 15:06 < dih> more?
14:08:50  <dih> 15:06 < Ammler> a common one
14:08:53  <dih> 15:06 < dih> they are common
14:08:55  <dih> 15:06 < Ammler> I never download kernel
14:08:58  <dih> 15:06 < dih> but you run it
14:09:00  <dih> 15:07 < dih> every linux computer runs a kernel
14:09:03  <dih> 15:07 < dih> makes it pretty common if you ask me
14:09:05  <dih> 15:07 < Ammler> only linux, so that is not common :P
14:09:08  <dih> 15:07 < dih> ?
14:09:10  <dih> 15:07 < dih> where is it not common?
14:09:13  <dih> 15:07 < Ammler> software which runs only on one OS is quite uncommon, imo.
14:09:15  <dih> sorry Ammler i just liked it so much i could not resist :-)
14:11:17  <fjb> Time warp?
14:11:31  <fjb> Time loop?
14:11:44  <dih> ?
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14:12:30  <petern> bit slow :p
14:12:59  <dih> :-P
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15:55:46  * Belugas is discovering The Cure - Scream, with delectation :)
15:58:46  <Belugas> too bad, it's the only good song on the record
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16:12:10  <Celestar> does anyone know a tool to annotate/comment pdfs in linux?
16:14:01  <fjb> Hm, maybe http://pdfedit.petricek.net/ ? I didn't use it yet.
16:19:43  <thingwath> Okular. :-)
16:22:28  <thingwath> (OK, it keeps comments only localy. Doesn't change the file.)
16:22:46  <Ammler> only a viewer, afaik
16:23:26  <thingwath> ^^ :)
16:24:14  <Ammler> well, depense what celestar means with comments
16:24:53  <thingwath> Yes. But okular works really, really great for me :o)
16:29:20  <Ammler> kde4 :-(
16:30:04  <Celestar> thingwath: okular can?
16:30:36  <thingwath> you can put comments (yellow rectangles with text) there, underline text and few more thingies
16:33:59  <thingwath> But if you need to really edit the file, okular can't help you :/
16:34:25  <Belugas> pffff.. i'm stuffed
16:34:59  <Belugas> fun to discuss ariund a good table, but if the converstation is too interesting, you odn't notice all that you are eating
16:35:02  <Belugas> you just... do
16:38:49  <Celestar> ok
16:38:51  <Celestar> I'm off
16:38:58  <Celestar> thanks thingwath it rocks :)
16:39:01  <Celestar> okular I mean
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16:46:57  <CIA-5> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14550 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2391]: Don't assert on path look-ahead when processing a not-part-of-orders depot-order.
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16:52:03  <Nite> Hi!
16:53:24  <Nite> Station rating - Age in years of last vehicle entering station
16:54:32  <Nite> would be nice to be switchoffable ;) in multiplayer
16:56:32  <dih> why?
16:56:51  <dih> you want to be able to define your own rating system?
16:57:09  <Nite> maybee
16:57:38  <Nite> its yust that especially on goal servers players end in buying new trains constantly
16:57:42  <dih> then you would want to configure it properly, and not just en/disable one part of it
16:57:51  <Nite> just to get that 13% rating from new trains
16:57:55  <dih> Nite: so?
16:58:12  <dih> make sure they can service
16:58:25  <Nite> it has nothing to do with service
16:58:29  <dih> and turn autoreplace on
16:58:45  <dih> as soon as they hit a certain age they get replaced
16:58:46  <Nite> a zero years old train witing at station gives 13% +
16:58:57  <dih> and?
16:59:12  <fjb> Build a statue and do some advertising.
16:59:16  <dih> buy statues, and place your HQ strategically
16:59:17  <Nite> and therefore you have to buy new ones constantly wehen in competition
16:59:25  <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: station ratings can be changed by newgrf, but afaik that is not implemented
17:00:07  <Nite> dih, i know all other things to get more rating but to get that final 13% you have to have zero aged trains
17:00:09  <dih> Nite: group the trains, make sure they pass depot lines, and use auto replace
17:00:26  <Nite> which makes the game a replacing game - remember locomotion ;)
17:00:56  <dih> even if it gets implemented tonight, the goal based games are running stable ;-)
17:01:18  <Nite> ok grouping and low autoreplace is workaround but bad one - becuse then you have to replace "other" trains by hand ...
17:01:53  <Nite> yeah they are running stable - and we are happyly replacing train after train.
17:02:25  <Nite> nice to know that it could be changed by newgrf
17:03:04  <dih> Nite: "afaik that is not yet implemented"
17:03:20  <Nite> true
17:03:31  <dih> + the server admin would have to agree
17:03:51  <dih> and if that is the case, the server admin could simply patch the server and distribute his binaries
17:04:07  <Nite> agreeing would not be a problem i guess ...
17:04:28  <dih> you cannot be too sure about that ;-)
17:05:08  <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Stations#Rating_of_the_cargo_62_
17:05:10  <Nite> well all players i talked agree that rating for trains age is rubbish
17:05:58  <dih> all players != admin
17:06:15  <dih> it counts as much as people voting in the forums trying to get certain patches into trunk
17:06:51  <Nite> thx for link eddi
17:07:08  <Eddi|zuHause> well, they DID add the renaming to path signals ;)
17:07:34  <Nite> all those bits make me dizzy at the moment
17:09:06  <dih> Eddi|zuHause: one thing compared to thousands of votes? :-P
17:09:38  <Nite> where to find these "votes" - link?
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17:13:33  <Belugas> nawhere
17:14:07  <Belugas> democracy is just an illusion give to the powerless ones, for them to feel a bit less powerless!
17:15:21  <Nite> democracy also is a missconception since its not prooven tht the mass/majority is always right.
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17:16:04  <Nite> *that
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17:19:54  <fjb> Anarchy is the only true form of government.
17:20:28  <dih> Nite: as a bad example -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=40199
17:22:08  <Belugas> anarchy is not a form of government, it's the lack of one :P
17:23:48  <dih> hehe
17:23:56  <Nite> the signal control thing is really wired
17:25:50  * SpComb hot-wires Nite's signal control thing
17:26:12  <Nite> hot-wierd
17:26:23  <SpComb> no, hot-wired
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17:30:48  <Nite> ;)
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17:37:29  <SmatZ> I don't understand the idea of manual signals
17:37:42  <SmatZ> you can press the Ignore signals button when you want to mess things up
17:38:15  <SpComb> trains that are currently ignoring signals should be highlighted in red or something
17:38:23  <Nite> manual control for +100 trains - oh yeah i can handle that ;P
17:38:38  <SmatZ> ;x-
17:38:40  <SmatZ> :-x
17:38:50  <SpComb> whenever I have a train crash, it's because I had to tell some train to ignore signals to unstick it, and then it trundled along somewhere off of my screen, continuing to ignore signals along some bizarre path
17:39:04  <SpComb> Nite: just crank the time down to x0.01 speed
17:39:41  <Nite> well that would be vehicles growing along the track more than moving
17:40:37  <Belugas> SmatZ, you should know by now that as soon as someone pulls a crazy idea, the headless chickens are running for it ;)
17:41:04  <Belugas> users are demanding by nature.  They cannot appreciate what they have in front of them
17:41:37  <Nite> hey only 23% votet for the manual sigs
17:42:09  <Nite> gets really hard to find something on the forums
17:43:51  <SmatZ> :)
17:44:27  <Nite> i do think they apprechiate AND demand.
17:45:44  <Nite> few would demand features for a completely dumb app.
17:45:56  <Belugas> buwhahahah!!!
17:48:05  <Rubidium> and perception of importance changes drastically over time
17:48:29  <Rubidium> a few months ago YAPP was the most important, now it is in trunk it's totally not important anymore
17:49:22  <Nite> YAPP? helm me *sry*
17:49:41  <Rubidium> pbs
17:51:21  <Belugas> hehehe
17:51:56  <Nite> pbs rings
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17:57:49  <Ammler> Rubidium: why do you think, it is _not_ important anymore?
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17:58:24  <Char> probably because it just works? :P
17:58:37  <Rubidium> Ammler: imperical research; the last month or so I haven't seen anyone saying that they needed PBS/YAPP
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17:58:52  <Ammler> because they have :-)
17:58:55  <Rubidium> however they all say they need cargodest, IS and such...
17:59:05  <Rubidium> and that those features are the most important
17:59:07  <Ammler> becuase they don't have ;-)
18:00:07  <petern> heh
18:00:12  <petern> Ammler, have *it*
18:00:25  <Belugas> i guess it's all the fault of this society of consumers.  NE STUFF!!! I CRAVE FOR NEW STUFF
18:00:28  <Ammler> :-)
18:00:30  <Nite> well for me i dont want any specific new features just the train age rating switch ...
18:00:49  <Nite> heading to cinema ...
18:00:53  <Nite> cya
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18:01:39  * fjb needs YAPP.
18:01:44  <Ammler> train age raiting switch?
18:01:55  * fjb can not live without YAPP anymore.
18:05:18  <petern> Ammler, yeah, it's not a specific new feature
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18:29:59  <welshdragon>  http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40292
18:31:07  <petern> spamming :O
18:31:36  <welshdragon> you spam
18:31:42  <welshdragon> so does your mum
18:32:00  * SmatZ spams welshdragon
19:00:09  <dih> <Belugas> [19:00:26] i guess it's all the fault of this society of consumers.  NE STUFF!!! I CRAVE FOR NEW STUFF <- covet covet covet
19:00:40  <ben_goodger> *blink*
19:00:54  <Belugas> hehehe...  you're already too old, dih :D
19:01:12  <dih> :-)
19:01:26  <dih> how are you by the way Belugas?
19:02:20  <Belugas> bored to death
19:02:39  <Belugas> and on (as usual) an extreme rush @ work
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19:06:18  <Eddi|zuHause> is this a bad time to tell you that there is a holiday here ;)
19:06:27  <Eddi|zuHause> +?
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19:20:52  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, i do not mind
19:21:04  <Belugas> i've got a pay check, me ;)
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19:26:31  <Belugas> although i'm not sure it is worth the efforts i put in my work ...
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20:54:13  <Belugas> good night
20:54:17  <Belugas> good weekend
20:54:21  <Belugas> good gaming
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21:39:01  <Knight_Owl> Hello all
21:53:51  <Wolf01> 'night
21:53:58  <Rubidium> night
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21:54:07  <Rubidium> wooh :) I was in time
21:54:21  <frosch123> try again :) night
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22:25:29  <murray> http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/weezer_bucket/Katrina_costume.jpg
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22:26:20  <ben_goodger> hmm, that's only mildly in bad taste
22:27:20  <Knight_Owl> and more then mildly racist
22:27:52  <ln> *than
22:29:07  <murray> but damned good fun :D
22:29:51  <Knight_Owl> 'than' is correct - my apologies
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23:11:48  <Jango> sup
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23:28:38  <Knight_Owl> Dinner is served - later all
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