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00:02:21 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26:23 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:10 <Rubidium> DaleStan: did you know that the DOS TTDP nightlies fail to compile since r2073? http://binaries.ttdpatch.net/nightlies/trunk/r2073/logs/ttdpatch-ttdpatch-error.log 00:35:35 <glx> hmm why does it try to open a sound device ? 00:41:29 <Rubidium> cause it boots TTDP (I think) 00:42:51 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-60-171.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15345 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (6 files): -Add [NoAI]: Add AIVehicle::HasSharedOrders() and AIVehicleList_SharedOrders. 01:16:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15346 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_airport.cpp ai_airport.hpp ai_airport.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: Add AIAirport::GetNearestTown() so AIs can known in which town the noise level will increase. 01:28:51 <Sacro> hmm 01:29:13 <Sacro> my VS solution has 3 projects 01:29:24 <Sacro> do I have one mercurial doing the whole lot 01:29:32 <Sacro> or 3, one for each project 01:29:43 <Sacro> or 4, same as above and wone for the top folder 01:33:06 <Yexo> you're talking about openttd? Then you just have 1 mercurial repository (maybe 2, for squirrel) 01:33:18 <Sacro> no, this is a UNi project 01:33:53 <Rubidium> Sacro: you haven't provided enough options for me to answer 01:34:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15347 /trunk/src/elrail.cpp: -Feature [FS#1761]: Don't draw superfluous catenary wires (based on a patch by Eddi). 01:35:01 <Rubidium> it depends on how dependend the projects are on eachother 01:35:08 <Rubidium> if they aren't make one for each project 01:35:32 <Rubidium> putting mercurial repos inside a repository doesn't seem like a good idea 01:35:46 <Sacro> Rubidium: well it's a client and server 01:35:54 <Sacro> and I was possibly going to use a dll to keep shared things in 01:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... what? 01:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i certainly did not expect that one :) 01:36:28 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: yes, and even less than one year :) 01:36:55 <Yexo> if the client and server don't share code (except for the code in the dll) I'd say use seperate repositories 01:37:15 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/catenary_sample2.png for a sample 01:37:31 <Rubidium> too bad mercurial doesn't support externals ;) 01:37:35 <Sacro> Yexo: that's my thought 01:37:42 <Sacro> Rubidium: i has branches 01:38:02 <Rubidium> that's very not the same 01:38:38 <Sacro> no, true 01:38:42 <Sacro> and shelves too 01:38:50 <Sacro> sigh 01:40:08 <Sacro> perhaps I should use a different versionsing system 01:40:40 <Rubidium> the network code of OpenTTD and the masterserver are shared using svn:externals 01:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there appears to be a slight bug... it's barely visible, but when you go from that bridge along the wires to the left, there is a switch, and above the switch there seems to be a wrong sprite drawn 01:42:36 <Sacro> ah, forest extension 01:43:20 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, seems so. now why does that happen? 01:47:10 <Rubidium> michi_cc: probably because the northern part 'assumes' there will be a pylon at the other end of the junction 01:48:28 <Sacro> Right, figred it 01:48:43 <Sacro> have topforest and then 2/3 subprojects as normal 01:48:48 <Sacro> that'll work nicely 01:49:30 <michi_cc> Rubidium: pylon position is supposed to be changed according to the masked wires 01:50:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 01:55:21 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:01:27 <michi_cc> http://paste.openttd.org/179367 seems to do it, but maybe I'm missing some track combination 02:07:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15348 /trunk/src/elrail.cpp: -Fix (r15347): Preferred pylon position is dependant on the masked wires as well. 02:07:39 <michi_cc> night, complain tomorrow of that fix was still not enough :) 02:11:18 <SmatZ> tommorow as in "when you wake up"? 02:11:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <Wolf01> I mean something like the xbox360 chat pad, where you change the layout using the yellow or the green buttons <- if he comes on again, tell him that the swiss keyboard layout uses the caps lock key to switch between two different keyboard layouts 02:32:13 <Sacro> grr 02:32:16 <Sacro> hate doing hgignore 02:32:17 <Sacro> it never works 02:32:58 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@62.199.78.90] has joined #openttd 02:39:18 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:33 <Belugas> ignore it 02:45:36 <Belugas> buwhahaha 02:47:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:48:03 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:48:03 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest109 02:48:03 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:51:16 *** Guest109 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:19 <DaleStan> Rubidium: I did not. Thanks for pointing it out. 03:03:02 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:17:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15349 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: no need to call a function when we know there is not going to be any change to the returned result 03:27:10 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:35:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 03:42:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15350 /trunk/src/ (table/unmovable_land.h unmovable.h unmovable_cmd.cpp): 03:42:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Create a spec array to hold the data definitions of unmovables objects. 03:42:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Note that this is the very basic spec, it will be populated a bit more, later. 03:59:24 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 04:00:41 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:04:32 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 04:08:05 *** Zorn| [zorn@e177236094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:34 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:27:23 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:25 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:01 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23618.linc.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:47:11 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23618.linc.ox.ac.uk] has quit [] 07:54:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:54:40 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:43 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 07:55:02 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 07:58:17 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:02:11 <dihedral> Belugas you're a hero: src/table/unmovable_land.h:96: error: '_original_unmovable' was declared 'extern' and later 'static' 08:02:21 <dihedral> src/unmovable.h:24: error: previous declaration of '_original_unmovable' 08:05:25 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@62.199.78.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:10 *** Arthemax1 [~Arthemax@212251211109.customer.cdi.no] has left #openttd [] 08:07:37 <Rubidium> that MSVC would allow such code 08:09:21 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 08:11:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15351 /trunk/src/table/unmovable_land.h: -Fix (r15350): gcc compile failure 08:16:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:03 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:28:21 <dihedral> thanks Rubidium 08:36:18 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 08:42:48 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 08:49:23 <planetmaker> g'day 09:04:57 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:57 <dihedral> oi 09:07:19 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 09:09:11 <petern> bah 09:09:23 <petern> why do rechargable batteries suck so much in digital cameras? 09:15:45 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F8B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:51 <dihedral> petern: whats the mAh of the battery? 09:19:13 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 09:20:09 *** Roest is now known as Guest136 09:20:23 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:29 <petern> oh 09:20:51 <petern> 1800... not that good but should last more than 15 minutes.... 09:25:13 *** Guest136 [~schurade@p54B9CA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:26:53 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 09:31:20 <dihedral> petern, how old are the batteries, and are they NiCad or NiMH 09:31:59 <dihedral> sorry - NiCd 09:33:56 <planetmaker> petern: if cameras require batteries instead of accumulators the difference is voltage: batteries have 1.5V as opposed to 1.2V of accumulators 09:34:05 <petern> NiMH, yes 09:34:08 <planetmaker> --> accumulators suck when used instead... 09:34:17 <petern> accumulators? 09:34:26 <planetmaker> well... rechargable batteries 09:35:24 <petern> any modern device, especially cameras, should be made with 1.2V in mind 09:35:32 <planetmaker> *should* 09:36:14 <planetmaker> My year 2000 camera was still not build with that in mind... 09:37:08 <planetmaker> fortunately my newer one is :) 09:38:34 <Roest> hmm that might explain why my 2000 built camera eats rechargeables like nothing 09:39:28 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:55 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EB15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:02 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:37 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 11:11:09 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.157] has joined #openttd 11:23:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:33:26 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:30 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:52 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 11:50:00 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:50:13 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:59 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85e490.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:04:13 <Roujin> chrees ;) 12:06:36 <Roujin> about those four strings that were missing "on/off".. I made another diff that changes those in english.txt and removes them in all the other languages, plus uses the situation for renaming STR_CONFIG_MODIFIED_ROAD_REBUILD to STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_MODIFIED_ROAD_REBUILD for consistency 12:06:47 <Roujin> see http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2600 12:08:12 <Roujin> that fine? 12:08:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 12:10:56 <petern> Why remove the old strings when they just need {ORANGE}{STRING} added? 12:12:30 <Roujin> uhm, to give the translators some work? seriously, i thought that was way to go after the discussion yesterday.. 12:13:13 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:20 <Rubidium> petern: I'd reckon strings might need reworking due to the addition of the {ORANGE}{STRING} 12:13:22 <petern> doesn't seem very sensible 12:13:28 <petern> i don't 12:13:57 <petern> it's not like it's part of the grammar 12:15:44 <Roujin> well, I've got time now so I can make a new diff that changes the strings instead of removing them, if you prefer that... but should I keep this renaming in, or do you object? 12:15:56 <Roujin> STR_CONFIG_MODIFIED_ROAD_REBUILD to STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_MODIFIED_ROAD_REBUILD 12:16:30 <Rubidium> the renaming's fine I'd say 12:16:37 <petern> yes 12:16:47 <Roujin> okay 12:17:01 <planetmaker> which then needs renaming in every language :P 12:17:12 <petern> i'd say add {ORANGE}{STRING} to english and then let the translators deal with it 12:17:30 <petern> planetmaker: not hard... 12:17:42 <Rubidium> petern: then you end up with months of warnings when compiling 12:17:46 <planetmaker> sed... :) 12:17:49 <petern> perl -pi -e 's/CONFIG_MODIFIED/CONFIG_PATCHES_MODIFIED/g' * 12:18:04 <Rubidium> that breaks alignment ;) 12:18:13 <petern> well 12:18:31 <petern> easy to solve that 12:18:42 <petern> give the translators a couple of weeks, and remove any after then 12:18:55 <planetmaker> alignment thingies? 12:18:55 <petern> or 12:19:05 <petern> just be intelligent and add it based on how the others are done 12:19:11 <planetmaker> well... I translate usually using the webinterface :) 12:19:14 <Roujin> so you'd rather go with the warnings? 12:19:24 <planetmaker> Either it automatically aligns things then ... or poof. 12:19:35 <Roest> planetmaker your comment to #2601 makes no sense 12:19:59 <planetmaker> Roest: I might have mis-understood the intention of your patch 12:21:05 <planetmaker> what does it do then? 12:21:26 <Roest> vehicle price goes red when you cant afford it 12:22:34 <planetmaker> oh... :P 12:22:40 <Roujin> petern: so you'd rather go with the warnings until the translators fix their strings, than changing all the non-english files? 12:23:26 <petern> yup 12:23:29 <petern> that's just my opinion though 12:23:31 <planetmaker> Roest: thanks. Comment removed :) 12:24:12 <planetmaker> petern: that may take long(er) for some languages... IMO it looks bad. Then rather delete it. 12:28:09 * Rubidium wonders how long the warnings will stay 12:28:16 <petern> hey 12:28:58 <petern> i'm not project leader, no need to do as i'd like :p 12:29:45 <Roujin> so who is, then? :P 12:30:29 <petern> Sacro! 12:30:31 <petern> hehe 12:31:00 <Rubidium> hmm... totally forgot 12:31:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Sacro] by Rubidium 12:31:08 *** melwil [~melwil@carebox.online.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 12:31:46 <melwil> hi, when using a dedicated server which is run on linux through a shell, how can I start a game with a set map size? 12:31:48 <petern> heh 12:32:04 <petern> patch map_x / map_y 12:32:14 <petern> where 8 == 2^8 == 256 12:32:39 <melwil> hmm, ok! thanks =) 12:38:36 <planetmaker> melwil: or upload an accordingly modified openttd.cfg to your server prior to restarting a game. 12:42:05 <melwil> well, I couldn't find any such setting in the cfg file =/ 12:47:42 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:57:04 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85e490.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:01:42 *** glm2006ITALY [~glm2006IT@81-208-36-95.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #openttd 13:01:48 <glm2006ITALY> hello all :) 13:02:48 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85e490.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:57 <glm2006ITALY> ??? 13:03:00 <glm2006ITALY> :( 13:03:00 *** Roujin_ is now known as Roujin 13:04:37 <dihedral> melwil, they are there, the settings i mean 13:04:41 <dihedral> map_x and map_y 13:04:44 <glm2006ITALY> hello 13:04:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:05:13 <dihedral> and if they are not, run ./openttd -D -c openttd.cfg 13:05:28 <glm2006ITALY> is very good game OpenTTD 13:05:30 <dihedral> and quit again, then atleast you should have all the settings in the config file you are missing 13:06:55 <glm2006ITALY> but speed game is avalaible for off-line games? 13:07:01 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl4-210-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:07:21 <dihedral> you mean fast forward? 13:07:38 <dihedral> the button right next to the pause button? 13:07:49 <dihedral> that is available for single player only, yes 13:07:52 <glm2006ITALY> no... 13:08:11 <glm2006ITALY> game similar mode 13:08:14 <glm2006ITALY> Speed Server 13:08:21 <glm2006ITALY> is possibke' 13:08:26 <glm2006ITALY> ops possible? 13:08:35 <dihedral> i have no idea what you are trying to ask 13:08:42 <glm2006ITALY> ok :( 13:08:45 <dihedral> but i am sure you will find an answer at wiki.openttd.org 13:08:46 <glm2006ITALY> new questions 13:08:54 <glm2006ITALY> there is a possibility of improving the artificial intelligence of the game? 13:09:09 <glm2006ITALY> automatic google traslate 13:09:14 <dihedral> perfect! 13:09:23 <dihedral> try translator.live.com :-P 13:09:28 <dihedral> or babelfish 13:09:46 <Digitalfox> Congrats Sacro at being an OP =0 13:09:49 <glm2006ITALY> i use costedelsud.it/servizi/traduttore.asp 13:09:51 <dihedral> so - you want to modify the ai 13:10:00 <Yexo> glm2006ITALY: yes, try a nightly build instead of 0.6.3 13:10:10 <glm2006ITALY> good good good.... 13:10:16 <glm2006ITALY> download? 13:10:18 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 13:10:23 <dihedral> Digitalfox, we're all gonna die...... 13:10:37 <glm2006ITALY> please speak and write simple enghlis :) 13:10:38 <Yexo> openttd.org/download-trunk 13:10:42 <glm2006ITALY> ops english 13:10:44 <Digitalfox> dihedral true ;) 13:11:14 <Digitalfox> dihedral was this posted before? 13:11:17 <Digitalfox> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41722 13:12:09 <glm2006ITALY> good bye... 13:12:27 <glm2006ITALY> work calls 13:12:29 <dihedral> Yexo, very simple indeed 13:12:31 <glm2006ITALY> :( 13:14:47 <dihedral> Digitalfox, they want money for their work? 13:14:55 <dihedral> and claim they donate it to openttd? 13:16:32 <Digitalfox> dihedral really? 13:16:46 <Digitalfox> I'm going to try now on iphone 13:17:06 <dihedral> no - i was asking if that was _that_ company 13:17:25 <dihedral> i know there is one that claims any donations to them would be forwarded to orudge or something 13:17:27 <Digitalfox> oh no 13:17:49 <Digitalfox> it seems you just have to add the repository 13:19:32 <Digitalfox> 6.8 MB... Let's how it works 13:19:39 <Digitalfox> *Let's see 13:19:59 *** glm2006ITALY [~glm2006IT@81-208-36-95.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:23:28 <Digitalfox> well it's build r15332 13:23:39 <Digitalfox> and it's free 13:23:57 <Digitalfox> It brings graphics and sound 13:25:38 <Digitalfox> wow, I have to say this port is pretty awesome, the touch screen works pretty well 13:31:54 *** mode/#openttd [-o Sacro] by Rubidium 13:32:37 <Rubidium> it's "free" and "brings graphics and sound" don't mix 13:33:07 <dihedral> hehe 13:33:37 <Rubidium> packaging it with the original sounds and graphics makes it pretty... uhm... illegal? 13:33:42 <glx> "Well itâs just the coolest game based off of Transport Tycoon Deluxeâs sourcecode!" <-- that's just wrong 13:33:44 <Rubidium> still, they should be providing the sources 13:33:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15352 /trunk/src/ (town.h town_cmd.cpp town_gui.cpp town_type.h): -Codechange: make the arguments passed around while founding a town a bit more readable 13:34:46 <NukeBuster> too bad, it's now spreading a version of ottd which includes graphics and sounds and infrigments copyright :( 13:34:57 <NukeBuster> where is his modified source by the way? 13:35:16 <Rubidium> "nowhere" 13:35:17 <dihedral> NukeBuster: simply mail them and ask for it 13:35:26 <Rubidium> dihedral: that's not enough 13:35:40 <dihedral> is it not upon request? 13:36:21 <Rubidium> dihedral: section 3 of COPYING 13:36:28 <Yexo> dihedral: Have you seen a written offer for the source on their site? 13:37:12 <NukeBuster> http://www.zodttd.com/blog/2009/02/04/zodttd-ports-openttd-to-v2xx-firmware/#respond 13:37:16 <NukeBuster> i don't see any... 13:37:31 <Rubidium> you may copy if: a) you have the source codes besides the binaries, b) you give people a written offer valid for at least 3 years, c) other offer information on how to obtain the sources 13:38:04 <Rubidium> c would mean he's providing a diff 13:38:22 <Yexo> no, 3) is only valid if you received your binary via b) 13:38:31 <melwil> how would I go about setting new grf settings if I can't use the GUI? 13:38:45 <dihedral> accompany could mean it's in the package you download 13:39:00 <Yexo> melwil: set them in the config file 13:39:01 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 13:39:02 <Sacro> Yeah, my housemate has the iPhone version, he showed me it on the walk to uni 13:39:03 <NukeBuster> it's an iphone app... 13:39:21 <melwil> Yexo: any page that shows how the syntax is for that? 13:39:35 <Yexo> not really sure 13:39:46 <Yexo> just path/to/newgrf.grf = param1 param2 13:39:57 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:39:59 <Yexo> after the '=' just add the parameters as you would do in the gui 13:40:16 <melwil> ah, I'll look into it then, thanks =) 13:40:33 <Sacro> Digitalfox: i'm an op now? 13:40:35 <Sacro> :\' 13:40:57 <Yexo> Sacro: you was for a few hours 13:41:06 <Sacro> eh? 13:41:54 <Yexo> [13:30] * Rubidium geeft kanaal-operator status aan Sacro 13:42:03 <Yexo> [14:31] * Rubidium verwijdert kanaal-operator status van Sacro 13:42:05 <Sacro> Rubidium: why was i opped for an hour? 13:42:06 <Sacro> :` 13:42:08 <Sacro> :\ 13:42:43 <dihedral> Sacro, read lines just before you got opped 13:43:06 <Sacro> Yeah, I see now 13:43:11 <Sacro> I think i'd make a good channel op 13:43:17 <Sacro> been here a long time now :p 13:43:26 <Sacro> Ic ould replace Bjarni, that'd be funny and ironic 13:43:28 <NukeBuster> isn't there something in the gpl that states that you must actively defend your licence? 13:43:55 <SmatZ> Sacro: you could replace yorick well 13:44:01 <Yexo> NukeBuster: not as far as I know 13:44:06 * welshdragon wants to replace somebody 13:44:24 * Yexo gives all the work someone should to do welshdragon :p 13:44:29 <NukeBuster> He's not including the data files according to: http://www.zodttd.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=125 13:44:56 <welshdragon> hmm, i could finish the welsh translation 13:45:07 <Sacro> SmatZ: Indeedy 13:45:11 <Sacro> what happebned to him? 13:45:33 <Rubidium> NukeBuster: that's an old version you're talking about 13:45:50 <Sacro> NukeBuster: don't think so 13:46:14 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.157] has joined #openttd 13:46:36 <SmatZ> Sacro: I don't know 13:47:02 <dihedral> Sacro, then fix some os x stuff please 13:47:02 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 13:47:42 <Rubidium> NukeBuster: 6.8 MB for the file is ~3 MB more than the 'official' binaries 13:47:45 <Sacro> dihedral: when I can get it to buld then i will 13:48:11 * Sacro would replace Bjarni as I run OSX, I'm well known and much hated :D 13:48:13 <dihedral> pft 13:48:24 <Sacro> I get fontcache issues 13:48:45 <dihedral> i dont 13:48:49 <Sacro> on OSX? 13:49:20 <dihedral> yep 13:49:36 <Sacro> Hmm 13:49:38 <dihedral> 10.4 though 13:49:43 <Rubidium> dihedral: 10.4.? (or even 10.3.?), Sacro: 10.5.? 13:49:44 <Sacro> ahh, 10.5.6 here 13:49:54 <dihedral> Rubidium, 10.4.9 13:50:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:02 <Sacro> this AI lecture is sucky 13:50:04 <welshdragon> dihedral: upgrade! 13:50:13 <fjb> Hello 13:50:19 <dihedral> welshdragon, nope 13:50:53 <dihedral> oh wait.... 10.4.11 is out right? 13:51:04 <Sacro> I think so, yes 13:51:13 <glx> Rubidium: indeed TTD files are in the .deb 13:51:16 <dihedral> yeah - i have 10.4.11 :-P 13:51:40 <Rubidium> the windows ones to be precise 13:51:51 <glx> yes 13:52:23 <welshdragon> shit 13:52:38 <welshdragon> Sacro: don't you finish your lecture soon? 13:52:44 * welshdragon isn't ready :P 13:52:50 <Sacro> Rubidium: yes, my huosemate had to add none himself 13:52:53 <Sacro> welshdragon: oh god i hope so 13:52:58 <Sacro> he's ranting about asians or something 13:53:18 <welshdragon> Sacro: can i meet you on Bev Road> 13:53:23 <Sacro> welshdragon: pfft 13:53:27 <Sacro> i want a sammich :( 13:54:06 <welshdragon> Sacro: outside Benedict's then? 13:54:44 <Sacro> welshdragon: that's a long walk :( 13:54:54 <Sacro> yeah, could go to benedicts 13:54:57 <Sacro> and thne pop into work 13:55:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:34 <welshdragon> Sacro: fine by mw 13:55:44 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:55:48 <Sacro> hmm 13:56:14 <Sacro> yeah, iconv_open errors on linking 13:57:06 <Sacro> "_iconv_open", referenced from: 13:57:18 <planetmaker> [14:48] <Sacro> I get fontcache issues <-- what kind of issues? 13:57:31 <welshdragon> Sacro: i;ll give you another 20 minutes 13:57:39 <Sacro> welshdragon: hm 13:57:51 <welshdragon> well, 30 13:57:59 <Sacro> :o 13:58:04 <Sacro> might as well just go home 13:58:28 <welshdragon> Sacro: it only takes 10 minutes to get from uni to benedicts 13:58:31 <Sacro> planetmaker: Undefined symbols: 13:58:31 <Sacro> "_iconv_open", referenced from: 13:58:31 <Sacro> FS2OTTD(char const*)in unix.o 13:58:31 <Sacro> OTTD2FS(char const*)in unix.o 13:58:31 <Sacro> "_iconv", referenced from: 13:58:33 <Sacro> convert_tofrom_fs(void*, char const*)in unix.o 13:58:36 <Sacro> convert_tofrom_fs(void*, char const*)in unix.o 13:58:56 <Sacro> not fontcache, iconv 13:58:57 <planetmaker> oh? interesting... you're on leopard, right...? 13:58:59 <planetmaker> hm... 13:59:02 <welshdragon> 5 if you are quick 13:59:31 <Sacro> planetmaker: yep 14:00:17 <Sacro> ah, libiconv is in macports 14:00:31 <Sacro> can't install it whilst at Uni :( 14:00:38 * Sacro will try when he gets home 14:01:09 <planetmaker> those are necessary, indeed. 14:01:38 <planetmaker> I thought something similar like when I select hebrew as language. :P A sea of questionmarks right ahead in that case :P 14:02:04 <Sacro> Yeah 14:02:08 <Sacro> well the wiki needs updating 14:02:14 <Sacro> ah, lecture over 14:02:15 * Sacro leaves 14:02:18 <planetmaker> :) 14:02:23 * planetmaker waves at Sacro 14:02:25 <welshdragon> Sacro: see you soon then 14:02:28 <welshdragon> ? 14:03:59 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:07:46 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28FE1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:06 <glx> planetmaker: question marks is because there's no font autoselect ;) 14:11:21 <planetmaker> glx: I know... 14:11:36 <glx> and of course you also need libicu 14:11:38 <planetmaker> ... just got the API references. With a bit of luck, I'll have time tomorrow in the train to have alook 14:12:15 <planetmaker> ... hm... what's "libicu" - another library? 14:12:33 <Rubidium> yes 14:12:52 <planetmaker> then I should get those reference, too :) 14:15:07 <petern> hurr 14:16:25 <Belugas> hello 14:18:36 <petern> hi 14:19:16 <petern> debian calls git a 'content addressable filesystem' ... whatever happened to 'version control system'? 14:19:22 <petern> Description: content addressable filesystem This is a stupid (but extremely fast) directory content manager. It doesn't do a whole lot, but what it 'does' do is track directory contents efficiently. 14:19:27 <petern> heh 14:21:01 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 14:23:03 <Belugas> hello petern 14:23:13 <blathijs> petern: I get Description: fast, scalable, distributed revision control system 14:23:20 <blathijs> petern: On the git-core package 14:23:40 <planetmaker> salut Belugas 14:23:44 <melwil> wrong player-id in DoCommand <-- what does that mean? 14:24:02 <Belugas> dihedral, what shold i do about your attitude? put you on ignore? kick you? laugh about your impatience? Critisize you about your lack of understanding? or just do nothing? 14:24:12 <Belugas> salut planetmaker. alors, ca boume? 14:24:27 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:24:39 <dihedral> Belugas, have you no sense of humor? 14:25:08 <dihedral> at least someone picked up on it! 14:25:23 <melwil> noone knows? =( 14:25:33 <Yexo> melwil: how did you get that message? 14:25:34 <planetmaker> hm... I think I understand your words, Belugas - but they don't make sense to me :P 14:25:53 <melwil> I don't know.. if I did, I would have changed it.. 14:26:02 <petern> blathijs: i'm on etch 14:26:05 <planetmaker> melwil: usually if you erronously try to execute something as a different player. I shouldn't happen in unpatched versions. 14:26:11 <dihedral> melwil, 0.6.3? 14:26:20 <melwil> dihedral: yes 14:26:33 <dihedral> you got that message, or someone connected to your server? 14:26:46 <melwil> someone connected to my server 14:26:53 <melwil> but I'm connected to the same server 14:27:02 <Yexo> then that other person tried to cheat 14:27:02 <melwil> and he gets it instantly when joining 14:27:13 <dihedral> either they connected from SA (i have seen that happen a few times with people connecting from SA) 14:27:13 <melwil> I can assure you he is not trying to cheat 14:27:24 <melwil> SA? 14:27:26 <dihedral> or someone on purpose tried to act as a different company 14:27:32 <dihedral> South Africa 14:27:36 <Belugas> planetmaker, it's a salute and wondering if it's all fine with you :) 14:27:42 <melwil> well, he's from norway, in the same room as me =P 14:27:55 <Belugas> dihedral, well.. not really that early in the mornuing, no 14:28:15 <dihedral> Belugas, read it in a few hours again :-P 14:28:23 <planetmaker> Belugas: :) thx for asking - yeah, doing pretty well :) I hope you, too :) - and I guess my french is worse than I hope(d) :P 14:29:20 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:09 <melwil> could this be caused by the fact that he jsut copied the whole install folder from another person? 14:32:58 <planetmaker> no... 14:33:11 <dihedral> no 14:33:25 <melwil> well, it helped him to reinstall it anyway 14:33:52 <dihedral> it's sending an action as a company other than the server expects to receive from that client 14:36:14 <melwil> hmm, weird 14:36:57 <dihedral> yes - should actually not happen 14:38:35 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.157] has joined #openttd 14:40:20 <SmatZ> STR_SCENARIO_EDITOR_CITY_TOOLTIP :{BLACK}Cities grow faster than regular towns{}Depending on settings, they are bigger when found 14:40:28 <SmatZ> any native English speaker? 14:41:44 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:21 <Rubidium> planetmaker/dihedral: why no? Maybe the person he copied it from played a patched binary 14:42:33 <Belugas> mmh... interesting, concept wise -> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2601 14:44:14 <Rubidium> but then you need to do it *everywhere* 14:44:30 <Rubidium> making buttons red because you can't build rail 14:44:45 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:44:49 <Rubidium> or making the rail thingy red because you don't have enough money 14:44:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228024104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:46:27 <planetmaker> the latter is a bad idea as that's reserved for removing... 14:48:17 <Roest> i wouldn't say you need to do it for everything, for vehicles i find it useful because they tend to cost alot and especially in the beginning i sometimes find myself waiting for money to buy the next engine or plane 14:49:27 <Yexo> Roest: what about funding industries and town actions? 14:52:10 <Roest> ok good point, so for consistency it should be everywhere where a cost string is drawn 14:52:39 <Belugas> true, Rubidium, true 14:53:22 <Belugas> this is why i mentionned the "concept" word, as ... the idea is interesting 14:53:39 <Belugas> not that the patch as-is is 14:54:02 <Belugas> on the other hand, guiding the user for every action he'll have to do is kind of a bore 14:55:05 <Roest> giving visual clues isn't really guiding through every step 14:55:52 <SmatZ> petern: :{BLACK}Cities grow faster than regular towns{}Depending on settings, they are bigger when found <- is that gramatically fine? 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Grammar is ok, I think. 16:56:29 <planetmaker> But I'm no native speaker :) 16:57:14 <Rubidium> but then, who speaks native? 16:57:30 <SmatZ> there are some :) I asked them, highlihted them, but didn't receive any reply 16:57:35 <planetmaker> buuaeeeea :P 16:57:41 <SmatZ> hehe 16:57:44 <planetmaker> ^^ universal language world wide ;) 17:05:14 *** kosher [~kosher@ip-89-174-83-238.multimo.gtsenergis.pl] has joined #openttd 17:05:18 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.157] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 17:05:47 <kosher> Hello, can I ask a newby question? I have looked over the web, forums and wiki but found no answer... 17:06:29 <Vikthor> Don't ask if you can ask and ask straight away 17:07:05 <kosher> How to access the 'local authority window'? The place where I am supposed to advertise/bribe etc.? 17:07:19 <frosch123> click on the town name 17:07:20 <Vikthor> click on the town name 17:07:24 <frosch123> :p 17:07:28 <Vikthor> grr one second 17:08:01 <kosher> found it 17:08:17 <kosher> thanx guys for quick help 17:11:07 <SmatZ> click on the town name 17:11:55 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:40 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 17:16:21 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:49 *** kosher [~kosher@ip-89-174-83-238.multimo.gtsenergis.pl] has quit [] 17:19:44 <Vikthor> SmatZs reactions are somewhat slow :p 17:20:26 <Yexo> says Vikthor after 9 minutes... 17:20:29 <SmatZ> hehe 17:23:18 <Belugas> SmatZ works a lot and is not always staring at the IRC screen ;) 17:23:41 <SmatZ> :-) 17:24:00 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923d1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:30 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad684b8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:40 <planetmaker> :) 17:24:42 * planetmaker hugs workoholic SmatZ 17:24:48 <SmatZ> :o) 17:27:14 <dihedral> i want a hug toooo 17:27:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:51 * SmatZ hugs dihedral and planetmaker 17:27:56 <dihedral> \o/ 17:28:05 * planetmaker hugs dihedral 17:28:08 <SmatZ> http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF115-Hug_Bot.jpg :) 17:28:10 <dihedral> \o/ 17:28:35 <planetmaker> :D 17:28:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15358 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add [NoAI]: AIEventVehicleCrashed::GetCrashReason() 17:30:21 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:10 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:10 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 17:38:11 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has joined #openttd 17:39:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15359 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add [NoAI]: AIEventVehicleCrashed::CRASH_RV_UFO, AIEventDisasterZeppelinerCrashed and AIEventDisasterZeppelinerCleared as aliens accepted NoAIs as competing life-form. 17:42:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8021E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80798.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:45:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:02 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:02 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 17:47:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:48:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15360 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: Flooding vehicles did not trigger an AI event. 17:50:18 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:18 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 17:54:05 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/fix_style_and_typos_r15350.diff <-- fixing a typo and a piece of coding style, if one cares :) 17:56:19 <SmatZ> :) maybe you can change "Layout of expenses window" to lowercase l 18:00:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15361 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp settings_type.h): -Cleanup: minor comment style fixes (planetmaker) 18:00:46 <planetmaker> he :) That's quick. TY, Smatz :) 18:00:52 <SmatZ> :o) 18:01:23 <planetmaker> the random "stumbled upon oddities" of yesterday :) 18:04:35 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 18:07:05 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:19 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:13:42 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 18:13:56 <TrueBrain> lol @ frosch123: "as aliens accepted NoAIs as competing life-form. " 18:14:06 <TrueBrain> frosch123: minor typo in doxygen: remvoed 18:14:07 <TrueBrain> ;) 18:15:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:15:41 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl4-210-244.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:15:57 <Wolf01> evening (GMT+1:00) 18:16:11 <Yexo> hello Wolf01 18:16:22 <TrueBrain> lol @ Wolf01 :p 18:16:31 <Yexo> hi TrueBrain 18:17:20 <TrueBrain> hello Yexo 18:17:22 <Wolf01> gaah, I'm stressed, too much work@work this month 18:17:23 <TrueBrain> how are you this day? :) 18:17:29 <frosch123> hello TrueBrain :) 18:17:45 * dihedral waves hello to TrueBrain 18:18:13 <Yexo> I'm fine, everything is ok around here. How are you? 18:19:15 <TrueBrain> dihedral: and here you do talk to me? Pfff :p 18:19:28 <dihedral> :-D 18:19:32 <TrueBrain> doing fine too, tnx :) 18:20:30 <TrueBrain> well .. getting a bit annoyed by LeaseWeb 18:20:55 <orudge> 'lo TrueBrain 18:20:56 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: is the web going to die today again at 20:03 ? 18:21:01 <TrueBrain> they requested root access for a valid reason, so I asked them to give a ssh public key ... took quiet a while before someone understood what we meant ... :p 18:21:01 <orudge> What's LeaseWeb been doing? :/ 18:21:05 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lets hope not ... 18:21:07 <orudge> ah 18:21:31 * |Japa| wishes he could us multiple gfx sets for signals 18:21:34 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: last 2 days we have had tons of link up/downs ... 18:21:45 <TrueBrain> might be VirtualBox ... or LeaseWeb ... hard to trace 18:21:49 <SmatZ> :( 18:22:03 <TrueBrain> orudge: tnx again for the dns thingy, it works nicely :) 18:22:31 <TrueBrain> I dunno if anyone has an other bright idea what might cause a eth to give a link-down message ... 18:22:42 <TrueBrain> to me it reads: switch is giving up, and is rebooting :p 18:24:05 <TrueBrain> I wish I knew other IPs which were on the same switch ... :p 18:25:20 <dihedral> TrueBrain, query with snmp, use the word 'public' :-D 18:26:02 <TrueBrain> and that indeed shows me the other links of the switch ... sigh :p 18:26:32 <TrueBrain> I might strongly hope the switch is not bind on a public IP ... 18:26:35 <dihedral> just need to know the correct MIBs 18:26:56 <dihedral> ehe 18:29:22 <TrueBrain> but sniffing arp requests is a valid method :) hehe :) 18:31:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:31:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:13 *** const86 [~const@213.178.46.52] has joined #openttd 18:33:11 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:11 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 18:36:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.164.73] has joined #openttd 18:39:45 <TrueBrain> General Notice: todays nightly will be delayed with 15 minutes 18:40:12 <FauxFaux> Delayed by 15 minutes. 18:40:30 <TrueBrain> @kick FauxFaux oh please ... 18:40:30 *** FauxFaux was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [oh please ...] 18:40:43 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:41:13 <FauxFaux> You can't interrupt International Pedantry Hour! 18:41:17 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CBFA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:31 <orudge> but he just did! :p 18:41:53 <FauxFaux> Pedant! <3 18:42:35 * orudge toodles off 18:42:46 <FauxFaux> Toodles. 18:42:51 <TrueBrain> bye orudge :) 18:43:00 <|Japa|> OTTD is officialy the only game I know that provides a 64bit version 18:43:10 <dihedral> ? 18:43:18 <glx> TrueBrain: is the 15min delay required for some tests ? 18:43:18 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: I guess that says most about your knowledge of games :p 18:43:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:37 <TrueBrain> glx: we want to make absolutely sure we are not the reason for our interface interuptions 18:43:38 <FauxFaux> |Japa|: FEAR does. 18:43:47 *** const86 [~const@213.178.46.52] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 18:44:00 <TrueBrain> as the nightlies boot up VMs, which in theory could be messing with interfaces .. well .. I just want to make 100% sure :) 18:44:10 <glx> TrueBrain: so if it's down 15min later than yesterday it's 'our' fault :) 18:44:15 <FauxFaux> Uh.. I thought it was FEAR, maybe not. One of those Modern Shooty Games. 18:44:22 <TrueBrain> glx: exactly :) 18:44:33 <|Japa|> TrueBrain, too true 18:44:35 <TrueBrain> and than I blame Rubidium for updating the Windows VM ;) :p 18:45:05 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: but you are right, there aren't many 18:45:28 <|Japa|> my knowledge of games onnly goes as far as the stuff borrowed from friends, or downloads that are under 20mb 18:45:47 <TrueBrain> today a professor told me that 64bit wasn't kicking in really, because most OSes didn't support it correctly .. then I realised, it is only Windows who doesn't do it properly :p 18:46:02 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: and OSX? 18:46:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I know nothing of OSX :p 18:46:16 <glx> well windows does it (if you buy the right version) 18:46:19 <TrueBrain> but I guess you might be right 18:46:21 <FauxFaux> I can't believe they're not dropping x32 for seven. :( 18:46:30 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah .. exactly the problem :) 18:46:35 <TrueBrain> I wanted to get 64bit Vista with my new computer 18:46:40 <TrueBrain> I couldn't! I had to pay extra! :s 18:46:58 <|Japa|> well, for me D2 works in 7x86, but not 7x64 18:47:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CBFA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:58 <FauxFaux> 32-bit emulation and 64-bit support are entirely different things. :p 18:48:41 <|Japa|> 'true 18:49:20 <glx> I can run 64bits app on my 32bits windows XP :) 18:49:43 <|Japa|> the question remains, does OTTD significantly take advantage of x64? 18:49:48 <TrueBrain> glx: in a VM, I hope? :p 18:49:54 <glx> yes in a VM :) 18:50:01 <|Japa|> or would you need a hugeass map for that? 18:50:16 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: depends no your definition of 'significant' 18:50:53 <glx> probably faster 64bits operations 18:51:05 <glx> (like money handling) 18:51:22 <glx> but I think that's all :) 18:51:32 <|Japa|> does OTTD use cideo hardware at all? 18:51:41 <SmatZ> OTTD is slower on my amd64 when compiled as 64bit than when compiled as 32bit 18:51:41 <|Japa|> video, that is 18:51:56 <glx> no, GPU has no effect 18:51:56 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lol ;) 18:52:05 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: video memory is not used, so I guess that is a no ;) 18:52:11 <SmatZ> |Japa|: when you run as dedicated, then not 18:52:35 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: it's used as a framebuffer (indirectly) - but I think directly with Allegro driver ;) 18:53:02 <glx> maybe with SDL too 18:53:11 <SmatZ> yeah :) 18:53:15 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: true true 18:53:29 <|Japa|> so a gbetter card would not improve 32bpp performance then 18:53:31 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: so I should have said: the video memory is not used to store sprites :p 18:53:59 <TrueBrain> haha, it is not a 3d game my friend :) 18:54:15 <SmatZ> there is a OpenGL blitter somewhere :) 18:55:06 <TrueBrain> 5 minutes till 2000 ... 18:55:25 <glx> and? it will start at 2015 18:55:45 <TrueBrain> glx: lets hope not :) 18:56:03 <glx> CF will 18:56:12 <glx> else you failed to delay it ;) 18:56:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:56:25 <Belugas> SmatZ, look under petern's desk, you'll find it ^_^ 18:56:25 <|Japa|> videocards also acellerate 2d rendering 18:56:34 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah .. but I meant something else ;) 18:56:35 <petern> who what? 18:56:38 <SmatZ> :-) 18:56:38 <petern> oh, opengl blitter 18:56:41 <petern> yes, but it's rubbish 18:56:45 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: accelerate is not really the word :p 18:56:52 <Belugas> good for 2d render, |Japa|. we do not render anythung 18:56:58 <Belugas> nor surface nor nothing 18:57:01 <Belugas> simlpe sprites 18:57:11 <|Japa|> hm... 18:57:17 * |Japa| grumbles 18:57:22 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: but one might consider using the video memory, for quicker drawing ... just .. OpenTTD's method of company-colours fucks that up a tiny bit ;) 18:57:36 <glx> Belugas: we "render" sprites on the screen ;) 18:57:45 <petern> hmm 18:57:54 <petern> on what system is graphics the bottleneck anyway? 18:58:14 <|Japa|> when using 32bbp, it seems to be 18:58:17 <TrueBrain> petern: I doubt one could find one :) 18:58:25 <|Japa|> on windows, anyway 18:58:28 <Belugas> true, glx, but i think it is not exactly like generating a picture out of something 18:58:37 <glx> |Japa|: then don't use 32bpp-anim 18:59:08 <glx> palette animation on 32bpp is not the best thing to do ;) 18:59:18 <petern> it works for sdl... 18:59:34 <TrueBrain> those 2 were never meant to work together, no :p 18:59:35 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 18:59:38 <petern> slightly differently mind you :) 18:59:44 <|Japa|> I'lll jjust stick to 8bit for now 18:59:58 <petern> yeah, compile for 6502 :D 18:59:59 <glx> you can use 32bpp-optimized 18:59:59 <|Japa|> at least untill there's a cmplete 32bit set 19:00:08 <TrueBrain> |Japa|: without 32bpp replacement graphics, using 32bpp is useless anyway 19:00:32 <|Japa|> some of the gfx are there, but not most 19:01:10 <glx> most are for extra zoom (and they are not compatible with clean openttd) 19:01:23 <Belugas> mmh... 32bpp... there is someone who has not yet answered my PM... nor did he read it... 19:01:24 <Belugas> boooo 19:01:33 <petern> heh 19:01:34 <TrueBrain> poor Belugas :) 19:02:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:02:50 <|Japa|> I'd go for an 8bb extra zoom, personally 19:03:09 <|Japa|> it's wonderfull on a big screen that a little far away 19:03:11 <TrueBrain> that is very ugly :) 19:03:12 <petern> i'd got for what Belugas goes for :D 19:03:22 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=762615#p762615 bridge foundations and canal weirdness 19:03:35 <petern> -t 19:04:03 <petern> Wolf01: already fixed a long time ago 19:04:13 <Wolf01> how much long? 19:04:23 <TrueBrain> 20:04, still perfectly fine connection ... 19:04:32 <petern> months 19:04:42 <petern> that scenario has been *years* in the making 19:04:59 <petern> the guy could go over it and just dynamite those bits. they'll return to normal. 19:05:06 <Wolf01> ah ok 19:05:06 <Belugas> you do petern? damned... going to cancel my request than 19:05:11 <Wolf01> he will be happy :D 19:05:13 <Belugas> CAN I HAVE IT TOO???? 19:05:16 <petern> Belugas, wha? 19:05:26 <Belugas> [14:04] <@petern> i'd got for what Belugas goes for :D 19:05:28 <petern> no, i mean go, not got 19:05:28 <Belugas> tha 19:05:32 <Belugas> :( 19:05:33 <Belugas> brrrr 19:05:44 <Belugas> hooo 19:05:45 <Belugas> i see 19:05:49 <Belugas> ueah... 19:05:52 <Belugas> yeah!! 19:07:54 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:15 <TrueBrain> k ... going to start the nightly in 50 seconds .. I hate waiting :) 19:09:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 19:10:35 <TrueBrain> VMs are booting ... 19:10:39 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 19:10:40 <TrueBrain> tick tack tick tack .. 19:11:02 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:11:42 <Belugas> POOOOOF! 19:13:16 <TrueBrain> 3 minutes in ... besides a very high load and 3 cores going crazy, nothing weird going on ... 19:14:15 <frosch123> TrueBrain: mwhahaha 19:14:30 <Noldo> which weird are you hoping for? 19:14:44 <TrueBrain> lost connection 19:14:51 <TrueBrain> Noldo: exactly that was is happening :p 19:16:43 *** TB [~truelight@145.118.72.134] has joined #openttd 19:16:46 <TB> lalala 19:17:12 * petern draws pixels in paint.net 19:17:16 <Yexo> l/' 19:17:36 <TB> I am glad I could reproduce the problem :p 19:17:42 <TB> just said it takes 20 minutes before the system recovers :) 19:17:51 <TB> said = sad 19:18:32 <Noldo> woot what where? 19:18:45 <Yexo> Noldo: try openttd.org :p 19:19:21 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 19:21:35 <TB> how can VirtualBox cause the eth link to go down ... 19:21:38 <TB> that is really weird .. 19:22:00 <frosch123> has it access to it? 19:22:08 <TB> in theory, I guess 19:22:13 <TB> it has its own kernel module 19:22:36 <TB> it is just that 'dmesg' shows that the tg3 driver of eth0 detected the fysical link went down 19:22:41 <frosch123> I mean the setting for that 19:22:44 <TB> which I didn't know software could cause :p 19:22:46 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:04 <Noldo> TB: can the other end freak out for some reason? 19:23:06 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:07 <TB> more strange maybe that the first few VM boots go okay .. 19:23:32 <TB> hmm .. 19:23:48 <TB> maybe the switch drops our connection if we bind some kind of IP on the interface 19:23:52 <TB> or try to send something out of it .. 19:27:41 <TB> this will be finding a needle in a haystack 19:29:01 <TB> k, out watching "Wie is de mol" .. bakc in an hour 19:29:08 <TB> the server should be back in about 10 minutes or so 19:35:04 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-75.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:43:36 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:41 *** evandar_ [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 19:43:48 *** evandar_ [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [] 19:45:32 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:08 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:50:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:50:23 <planetmaker> welcome back, DorpsGek :D 19:50:29 <dihedral> :-P 19:50:48 <Sacro> http://go635254.s3.amazonaws.com/ecochildsplay/files/2009/02/sex-change-girl_980516i.jpg 19:52:56 <dihedral> Sacro, that does not get you ops back! 19:52:57 <dihedral> :-P 19:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you want to tell us something with that, Sacro? 19:53:19 <dihedral> hey - reminds me of my cousin 19:53:31 <SmatZ> dihedral: he/she changed sex? 19:53:45 <dihedral> SmatZ, is in the process of 19:53:51 <SmatZ> oh! 19:53:54 <dihedral> pretty sad sod if you ask me 19:54:12 <SmatZ> I didn't expect you actually say "yes"! 19:54:18 <dihedral> :-P 19:54:18 <Sacro> dihedral: hehe :) 19:54:25 * Sacro wants ops :(# 19:54:37 <SmatZ> Sacro: he/she's nice :) 19:54:54 <dihedral> SmatZ, well, swallowed some hormone pills (made in china) hehe - stupid kid 19:54:59 <SmatZ> hmm you date a girl, then you find out she was born as a boy... do you feel gay then? 19:55:05 <dihedral> and had a facial done in Holland 19:55:08 <SmatZ> dihedral: intentionaly? 19:55:32 <dihedral> yeah, he would not get those made in the uk because the doc refused :-D 19:55:35 <SmatZ> dihedral: how many people change sex? I thought it happens rarely (like < 10 people / world / year) 19:55:55 <dihedral> SmatZ, how should i know? 19:56:07 <dihedral> it's more than enough to have a cousin doing that rubbish 19:56:11 <SmatZ> :) 19:56:42 <dihedral> he's got a PhD too, so he's not like some real idiot 19:56:48 <SmatZ> :( 19:57:40 <SmatZ> well if he was gay... then maybe this will make his life happier 19:57:42 <dihedral> [20:55] <SmatZ> hmm you date a girl, then you find out she was born as a boy... do you feel gay then? <- you tell by the adams apple 19:59:21 <Belugas> it's the soul that counts, not the body 19:59:34 <Belugas> whatever is dangling or not :) 20:00:37 <dihedral> my soul counts on me keeping this body :-P 20:01:23 <petern> so is your cousin mtf or ftm? 20:01:34 <dihedral> mtf 20:01:40 <petern> and you call her him? 20:01:45 <dihedral> with some bits of f now and some bits of m :-D 20:02:04 <dihedral> i have not seen him for like a few years 20:02:21 <dihedral> i dont even know what name he goes by, something along the lines of melissa or melinda 20:02:24 <petern> i've never see her 20:02:32 <dihedral> nono - no her 20:02:35 <petern> +n 20:02:46 <dihedral> i know my cousin as a guy :-P 20:02:50 <petern> you seem to be missing the point some what 20:03:03 <dihedral> it? 20:03:09 <dihedral> it's 50/50 anyway 20:03:43 <dihedral> so technically speaking 50% correct and 50% wrong, whatever you chose :-P 20:03:45 <petern> one would presume, being ftm, they would refer to themself as she 20:04:09 <dihedral> ? 20:04:14 <petern> er, mtf :p 20:04:26 <dihedral> you got me confuddled there 20:05:04 <dihedral> he's been running around dressed like a girl for a few years 20:05:28 <petern> well yes, she would, that's what girls do 20:05:48 <dihedral> gnah - i pitty the fool :-P 20:07:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:07:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:07:51 <dihedral> look at that - my apple crumble decided to come out of the oven 20:08:08 <dihedral> how lovely 20:10:37 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad9f9f2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:42 <petern> zomg, ai with trams 20:11:42 <dihedral> "name a yellow fruit" .... "orange" <- LOL 20:14:57 <petern> bah, why can't image editors leave png text along? :) 20:15:01 <petern> i mean, :( 20:15:21 <dihedral> along or alone? 20:16:03 <dihedral> "name a type of bean" - "lesbian" 20:16:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad545f8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:56 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:21:33 <petern> i mean, alone 20:21:36 <petern> :/ 20:21:46 <petern> lesbian seagull? 20:24:03 *** TB [~truelight@145.118.72.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:04 <Andel> not for me thanks 20:26:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:34:29 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 20:34:49 <TrueBrain> still no cargodest sync .. too bad :) 20:36:08 <TrueBrain> who has something to compile for me? 20:36:12 <TrueBrain> I want to know if my fix fixes the problem :p 20:37:42 <Eddi|zuHause> make a sync yourself :p 20:37:44 * |Japa| deeply considers it 20:38:11 <Wolf01> TrueBrain, I have sloped stations if you want 20:38:21 <TrueBrain> I don't :p 20:38:31 <TrueBrain> I was more thinking in the lines of something on either OpenTTD hg, git or svn 20:39:17 <TrueBrain> lets compile petern's railtypes :p 20:40:45 <TrueBrain> expect openttd.org downtime .. 20:42:02 <Wolf01> wait until I download the nightly 20:42:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:42:57 <Wolf01> ok, you can blow up what you want, I have my nightly to play with now ;) 20:42:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:35 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:01 <TrueBrain> darn ... 20:47:30 <TrueBrain> lucky enough the compile failed ... lol :) 20:47:49 <SmatZ> why? 20:48:44 <TrueBrain> hg and '3rdparty' fails :p 20:50:08 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad38379.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad684b8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cca.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:36 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/AI:AIInfo <- why does the table fail in the last 2 rows? 20:52:08 <Yexo> sorry, ignore that ^^ 20:52:25 <Yexo> it was a problem with my browser font size, making one line not show up 20:55:24 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:46 <frosch123> bye dorpsgek 20:55:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9f2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:56 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:57:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:57 <TrueBrain> I am a bit out of ideas what the problem might be 20:59:27 <TrueBrain> maybe I should run a long tcpdump, see what the VMs try to do on the network or something .. 21:02:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Question: how difficult would it be to replace the current "Waypoint" concept by stations that get automatically assigned "go via" orders? 21:02:57 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:03:21 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CBFA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:03:38 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you should rather think about distant-join waypoints 21:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 21:04:17 <petern> problem with using stations as waypoints is what happens when you mix them? 21:04:21 <planetmaker> frosch123: might it then not be an idea to define a base class and make stations and waypoints both derivatives of that? 21:04:25 <Yexo> frosch123: that doesn't make sense as long as you can't join them at all 21:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: the whole station gets a flag "treat this station as waypoint" 21:05:09 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: and next step is to mark docks as buoy 21:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no matter which graphics it actually uses 21:05:20 <frosch123> and then name it ttdp 21:05:45 <petern> :D 21:06:11 <frosch123> and then make depots a subclass of stations, so you can add orders to multiple equally ranked depots 21:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the only difference would be a) the default order when using "go to station", and b) the sign not showing up when waypoint signs are disabled 21:06:57 <petern> actually there's more 21:07:17 <petern> trains can stop at via station orders and turn around 21:07:25 <petern> they can't at waypoints 21:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 21:07:51 <Yexo> petern: can they if the station is a roro station? (ie not terminus) 21:07:54 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: waypoints, depots and buoys work quite similiar, and joining would make sense for all of them. ok, buoys currently not 21:08:20 <petern> Yexo: if the signals allow it... 21:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: i have never seen a train with a "go via" order reverse 21:08:46 <frosch123> also multiple docks per stations come to mind 21:09:05 <petern> i have, i'm sure. 21:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> how can a train reverse when it does not stop? 21:10:09 <petern> it can stop 21:10:10 <planetmaker> hehe... Train1: go via outer-sea-bouy #2 to grandcentral ;) 21:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> how can a train check if it wants to reverse at a station before having stopped at a station? 21:10:27 <petern> feh, i dunno :p 21:10:40 <planetmaker> I've never tested what happens, if a train goes via a terminus station 21:11:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:11:37 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~Yexo/test.png <- train has "go via north" orders, but it didn't stop there to reverso to go to heights 21:11:55 <thingwath> http://image067.mylivepage.com/chunk67/1715214/1454/Åada 470 001 nehoda Praha Masarykovo n.jpg <- this? :) 21:12:05 <petern> url fail 21:12:21 <thingwath> sort of 21:12:25 <Yexo> nice thingwath :) 21:12:44 <thingwath> konqueror doesn't think it's necessary to replace ' ' with url escapes... 21:13:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:14:03 <SmoovTruck> in one of the last few nightlies, I noticed the graphics changed some on the opening screen... and a few buildings and rolling stock graphics, are just black boxes instead... am I missing a new file or something? 21:14:29 <Yexo> SmoovTruck: you've downloaded opengfx 21:14:33 <Eddi|zuHause> SmoovTruck: you downloaded opengfx 21:15:00 <SmoovTruck> I take it, that isn't complete yet? 21:15:01 <frosch123> SmoovTruck: that's the penalty for downloading everything from bananas 21:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: why do they not have buffer stops there? 21:15:33 <SmoovTruck> just trying to be current with the auto-updater :P 21:15:55 <Yexo> SmoovTruck: this has nothing to do with the auto-updater 21:15:57 <Eddi|zuHause> SmoovTruck: yes, it is not complete. you can disable opengfx in the config file 21:15:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 21:16:26 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 21:16:31 <SmoovTruck> no need to disable it... I can live with the boxes... just wanted to make sure it was something expected at this point 21:16:32 <thingwath> Eddi|zuHause: Should they? 21:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: at the end of a line? yes, i think they should. 21:17:19 <SmoovTruck> replace "auto-updater" with "check online content" menu... 21:17:45 <SmoovTruck> anyways, no problem... it is known, no need to dink around about it anymore. :) 21:18:51 <petern> woah 21:18:55 <petern> that was scary 21:19:03 <petern> i misread that as 'no need to drink any more' :o 21:19:14 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:52 <planetmaker> hoho :) 21:19:57 <SmoovTruck> well, it could have been possible I was seeing it cuz I wasn't drunk enuf... I just never had OpenTTD need that particular solution before. :D 21:20:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc977.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:22 <thingwath> Eddi|zuHause: if I only knew, maybe just nobody cares :) 21:25:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:12 * petern CODYs 21:33:01 <petern> damn, the cymbals on this mp3 suck :( 21:33:24 *** |Japa| [~Japa@218.248.70.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:29 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:43 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:56 <Wolf01> I red cannibals -.- 21:40:03 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cca.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:16 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 21:43:09 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad45683.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:27 *** sbn [~NewNowKno@d54C1E025.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:47:38 *** sbn [~NewNowKno@d54C1E025.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 21:51:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15362 /trunk/src/ (42 files in 2 dirs): -Change: make a string name more consistent. 21:52:44 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 22:04:02 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15363 /trunk/src/lang/ (43 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2600]: inconsistency w.r.t. On/Off text for settings. 22:09:54 <petern> hurr 22:10:30 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:12:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.16] has joined #openttd 22:14:04 <Rubidium> petern: did I miss anything important in http://rbijker.net/openttd/misc/trunk.log ? 22:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i smell something big coming 22:15:51 <Rubidium> nah, I just want to be prepared when rortom comes gloating 'bout ror 22:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> why is "more engines" separate from "more everything else"? 22:16:54 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:17:37 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28FE1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:42 <planetmaker> Rubidium: what about different road layouts for towns? 22:19:29 <Rubidium> was already possible 22:19:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.164.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:14 <petern> gruargh 22:21:48 <petern> how do i dump back to the intro screen? 22:22:09 <Rubidium> huh? 22:22:16 <Rubidium> dump back? 22:22:37 <petern> i want to reinit the intro screen 22:23:06 <Rubidium> LoadIntroGame() ? 22:24:04 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 22:24:19 *** lanaiya [~chatzilla@p4FF74AF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:31 <petern> not in openttd.cpp 22:24:46 <glx> SwitchMode() 22:25:05 <petern> 's what i thought :o 22:25:13 <petern> but i'm getting grfconfig problems 22:25:24 <lanaiya> Hi, is there a option that industies don't shut down?? 22:25:28 <petern> no 22:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> - Feature: Show what cargos a station could be supplied with (r12596) <-- was it ever changed that this info is also shown in the station window, not only when building a station? 22:26:36 <lanaiya> :/ hmm that suxx i'm in jear 2040 and nearly all industries are closed 22:27:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you can build some manually 22:27:02 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:40 <lanaiya> jeah thats pretty expensive ^^ 22:28:03 <Yexo> then you should've provided better service so they don't close down 22:29:28 <lanaiya> huh? they close down anyway even if they are at 80% capacity 22:29:39 <lanaiya> feels kinda random 22:31:28 <planetmaker> lanaiya: they usually don't. except oil wells. Or if you use some newgrf which do that (dunno which) 22:33:28 <lanaiya> hmm 22:37:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15364 /trunk/docs/openttd.6: -Update: the man page 22:38:50 <SmatZ> petern: are you woking on the ability to switch base graphics set in-game? 22:39:06 <petern> yup 22:39:12 <petern> well 22:39:16 <petern> while the program is running 22:39:20 <petern> not actually in a game 22:39:25 <petern> cos that would mess things up 22:39:33 <SmatZ> good :) 22:39:50 <petern> but apparently it messes up anyway :/ 22:40:17 <SmatZ> restart doesn't matter... but people downloading opengfx and then complaining about black boxes are really not wanted 22:40:57 <petern> yes 22:42:45 <petern> ah, found it :/ 22:43:15 <SmatZ> :) 22:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> can't there just be a confirmation box "this setting only takes effect after restarting"? 22:45:33 <petern> hmm, still doesn't work :/ 22:49:39 <petern> ah, found it 22:49:53 <petern> no function calling, just set _switch_mode 22:51:28 <Wolf01> 'night 22:51:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:53:29 <petern> hmm 22:53:36 <petern> this is the problem of C|S 22:54:25 <petern> there, not this 22:58:43 <lanaiya> any idea how drawing trees on a tile could switched off. i looked in the code and got no easy idea to do that without changing something in all tree classes. 22:59:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15365 /trunk/src/core/string_compare_type.hpp: -Fix (r15324): svn properties were lost in 'svn move' 22:59:39 <SmatZ> lanaiya: Ctrl+X - make trees invisible? (for trunk) 22:59:52 <SmatZ> in 0.6.3 there is a patch option... 23:00:00 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:33 <lanaiya> hmm ok then i have to search for that. 23:00:44 * SmatZ wonders what "all tree classes" might be 23:02:04 <SmatZ> lanaiya: are you sure you are talking in the correct channel? 23:02:29 <lanaiya> why? what other channel is there? 23:02:58 <lanaiya> "You can use the channel for questions, problems, development or general discussion" 23:07:24 <petern> i suppose if _ini_graphics_set was saved then specifying -I would be 'permanent'... 23:07:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:07:30 <lanaiya> Or what do you mean Smatz 23:07:50 <SmatZ> lanaiya: what's wrong about that "Ctrl+X" solution? 23:07:56 <Rubidium> petern: yup 23:08:28 <Rubidium> actually... 23:09:01 <lanaiya> well i dont look for an option to shut them off all the time. i build in a new zoom lvl in the normal vieport. and its kinda laggy. so i want to shut off all non essentials aka all subpixel items including trees for that zoom lvl 23:09:38 <Rubidium> it has SLF_CONFIG_NO set, so the setting is never actually stored to the config file 23:10:29 <petern> oh 23:10:35 <Rubidium> which makes saving it into the config kinda tricky 23:10:36 <petern> i thought you were going to add something i didn't know then :p 23:10:47 <petern> that is of course what i was talking about 23:11:13 <SmatZ> lanaiya: DrawTile_Trees - have a look at parts that aren't executed when trees are invisible 23:11:57 <Rubidium> isn't at 1/16+ zoom everything subpixel except the tiles graphics? 23:12:19 <petern> oh, zoom out, heh 23:12:31 <SmatZ> trees, vehicles... 23:12:56 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/zoom64x-2x/ almost unusableble.... 23:13:13 <petern> zoom-in :D 23:13:34 <petern> did you ever get that working satisfactorily? 23:13:47 <SmatZ> :) it was actually working without artifacts... but it was a hack in 8bpp-optimised blitter 23:13:55 <petern> oh 23:14:07 <lanaiya> jeah thats kinda nice ^^ 23:14:22 <petern> i want zoom in to 2x 23:14:23 <petern> however 23:14:38 <petern> just like that 23:14:44 <petern> no extra 'high res' graphics :p 23:15:11 <SmatZ> :) 23:17:23 <lanaiya> well thats more elegant then my solution but a bit a bit 2 many zoom steps for my taste ;) 23:19:15 <petern> g'nigh 23:19:17 <petern> +t 23:20:00 <lanaiya> n8 23:24:23 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:33 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 23:47:16 *** lanaiya [~chatzilla@p4FF74AF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]]